₦airaland Forum

Monjerk:
Abortion or whatever you call it can simply be define as an act of terminating the life of an innocent child.

SO tell me how on earth you think it can be justified, no way,

It is an act of killing human being and killing is killing no two ways about it, so stay clear from.

but what if the baby has the potential to kill his mother?
isn't the mother innocent as well? shouldn't the mother have a right to self-defence?

in that case, what would you do, mr monjerk?

femmy2010:
On a deeper thought,is abortion not murder?
Is the Fetus a person?
Just wondering.

how is the fetus a person?
does it have a name? address?

i can also assume you have committed murder when you slaughter cows, pigs, rodents and mosquitoes.
you have committed murder when you kill bacteria in your teeth with mouthwash and stuffs?

ogugua88:
I dey wait lol.

you need to read up on predestined criminals.

Emperoh:
Not with a reduced transfer fee and wages.
Inter will be forced to sell. Moreover, a two year contract won't be bad. We need this dude
cos i can't even see us going beyond the semis of the UCL.

we might get the luck of the draw. . . . .

we can only pray barca and real madrid eliminate each other.

debosky:
I never said Arsenal don't have cash, but Arsene is not determining how much can be spent - the board does that.

i have been told by reliable sources wenger actually determines how much he spends. . . . .he's the most powerful individual at the emirates.

The board spells out how much is available for transfers and so on, not Wenger. It is this reduced spending environment that Wenger has had to work under for most if not all of the 6 years we are talking about.

i understand cash was tight at the start. . . . . .but not any more.
look around you, you cannot tell me tottenham are richer than arsenal and yet they buy quality players. . . .

Chamberlain will force his way into the first team soon enough, he is not a reserve player and has already made one sub appearance. Not every player will make a debut as good as Phil Jones, but that doesn't make those that don't bad signings.

i am not saying chamberlain is not a good player(far from that) - i am sure he might grow up to be messi in the next few years but the question is. . . .is he what arsenal needed the most? if arsene had plugged all the holes and he then buys 6 chamberlains, who would complain? but when one leaves a gaping hole in the defence and spends a sizeable cash on a teenager then people would question one's sanity.

There are rumours attempts were made to sign players like Goetze, but we don't know how true those are.

like obasanjo - i dey laugh.

Whether there is cash flow or not is still a mystery - Arsenal's books are not sufficiently transparent to determine this.

then i think the fans should demand an answer.
are we rich or bloke? do we have money to spend or not?

arsenal charge the highest price in the whole planet in domestic games and european games.
the fans deserve better.

ogugua88:
Is it only armed robbers that have criminal spawns? Was OJ Simpson's father an armed robber?

gimme a minute, lemme check the archives of the f.b.i.

ogugua88:
Granted, life is full of uncertainties, but one should not be denied life because of an uncertainty.

what about the memories the child brings to the mother? to the neighbours? to the entire public at large?
he would be called the child of a robber one day, won't he? how would the child take it?

That's if he or she ends up in foster care. Again, another uncertainty. Musicians, actors, even some multimillionaires were raised in poverty.

well - i was replying kemmeye.
she said she would have the child and take him to the foster home.

musicians, actors and multimillionaires were not sired by armed bandits.

I wonder if your father's since have revisited you. No one is perfect.

certainly!
but i am dealing with it but his sin is not armed robbery.

I am all about women having a choice, but that choice should not be based on illogic. If she feels she cannot raise a child to her best ability, then the choice is hers. Imagine if Tyler Perry was aborted by his mother because she said he might be homeless one day? Well, that homeless man is now the biggest earner in Hollywood.

was tyler perry's father an armed bandit?

Confilass:
@ davidylan if he's man enough he ought to take care of his daughter period. For your info it's not all dat's on trouser with joystick dat's a man. If time was on my side I would 've told u of life story of a man, Thanks, too busy to engage in dis gist with u.

he's man enough - he is a father and a husband to another family.
that he is not communicating with his daughter does not rob his manhood. women are hypocrites.

i am sure if this man is your husband, you would deny him from communicating with his ex and the love-child.
on the other hand, you would say he's not man enough.

MAKABBEY:
How can a person keep such pregnancy, even if d child make single mistake, always disobey d mother, immediately she will remember d previous incident, d best way is 2 abort d pregnancy, 2 save d mother joy. Even d child we not be happy in later live, after kowning he is a result of despoiler.

he will add to the statistics of the suicide rate in that country.

Emperoh:
^^^^^
I guess it means Sneider's deal is a matter of when then?
January won't ok for me as he is cup tied by then. I need him just for the UCL that's all
and if he can't play, then what's the need. We wait till next summer!

sneijder is never coming. . . .

he won't be eligible in europe and that is exactly what we would have needed him for. so no january signing.
by next summer, he would be 28. too old for david gill.

ogugua88:
Thank you.
What on earth are you talking about? An armed bandit's son will not always be an armed bandit.

he would always be an armed bandit especially if raised in a foster home and stuffs n stuffs.
karma might also strike.

I may not be an engineer like my father. Peter Okoye's son may not be into music. President Obama's daughters may have no interest in politics. Thanks to nature vs nurture, children have a good probability of being different from one or both of their parents.

if raised in a decent environment.
i don't see how you expect a child raised in a foster house to act normal especially after he was sired by an armed bandit.

You're judging an unborn child based on a criminal parent's actions. That's highly unfair and definitely not a justifiable reason for abortion in my opinion.

it's the way of the world.
the sins of the father shall be revisited on the son.

debosky:
@ Sharon
I won't be bogged down in pointless arguments - most of what you've stated up there duties of the board.

they are not the duties of the board, you nitwit!

Wenger doesn't control the £100m from gate takings, nor does he set the debt levels for the club. If we are talking about buying potential, Utd buying Jones at 20 for £20m is not much different from buying ox at 18 for £12m. Yet Utd bought much more above this - that's the key.

united bought much more above it but they have not kept phil jones in the reserves for the future. matter of fact, phil jones is making it difficult for rio/vidic to get into the first team. he has copped his debut for the national team and things are looking up. if united decide to sell phil jones in the summer, how much do you think he would go for? arsenal on the other hand spent £15m on a reserve player instead of getting quality replacements in their senior team.

When we paid £15m for Arshavin, Utd paid over £15m for Valencia that same year. I don't know how the same £15m will buy Arshavin in 2009 and Jones in 2011, when Utd spent over £30m on Jones and Valencia. That must be the most absurd piece of circular reasoning I've seen in a while.

you are a tool!
and this is what irks fans of the other clubs about arsenal fans. the truth is, wenger and his group of vampires have managed to pull the wool over your eyes.

are you actually aware arsenal did not spend a dime this summer? they made £60m from the sale of cesc and nasri(neglecting other negligible transfers) and they shipped in crap-quality players less than the £60m they made.

you cannot tell me arsenal are suddenly broke. your debtors are not even hounding you. the emirates flat have all been sold now. arsenal charge the highest ticket in europe, the fans still come to watch and yet we keep hearing there are no funds.

deborah, i expect you to have a sound mind but you have joined the bandwagon of stark illiterates who think there's no cash flow at the emirates.
very soon, the club would tell us they made £60m profit last season and then you'd start gnashing your teeth again.

As for Wenger not being the most successful, measured in terms of number trophies won, he is clearly the most successful.
PS - George Graham was the one who won European cups, who be George Taylor?

yes, that was who i wanted to mention.
that bald twit that collected bribe back in the days.

he's the most successful
if you measure in number of trophies won per the total number of years spent.

seedord247:
Poverty is not an excuse to abortion brooo . . .

it is if the baby is sickle-celled.

maclatunji:
It is not about the Okada men per se. It is about poor or broke guys here . I mean economically challenged brothers.

same difference.

a lady in her prime have so many well to do admirers in her hands to think of a poor/broke bloke. . . .
it's only when the law of diminishing returns strike the ladies that they see beyond the present. . . . .that is when they become conscious of the sweats of the hard-working smart bloke. in their prime, they want that brother working in the oil/gas industry with the smart crib, phat whip and bottomless pit of a pocket.

kemmeye:
i reli get your poinmt tho it would be kinda hard but i would hate what the father did but not the child and if i cant stand it i'll just give the baby up for adoption. everyone deserves a chance. idk

give up the baby to adoption? he will grow up to be a robber in the end and he will also rap[i]e[/i] someone's daughter in the near future.
if lightning strikes twice - it might actually be your daughter! see no evil, hear no evil. abort the baby, move on and spare the rest of us the seeds of an armed bandit.

maclatunji:
Guys, I know we too (men) can identify potential in any individual male or female. I want to emphasize and discuss if a woman will look at a dirt poor but smart and hardworking guy and say: you know what I am going to give this guy a chance in my life and I know he will be great someday. If you have real-life stories, kindly share!

of course, it happens. . . . .if we believe what we see on nollywood
desperate women do that a lot in nigeria - when women cannot get men in their level to hitch up, they sometimes tend to look lower. . . .
mostly, these women are in their 30s or 40s. it will be hard to see a woman in her prime thinking she would give an okada man a chance. . . .

kemmeye:
i would hate to but i also have to remeber that that kid has a potential to be great and watever happened was for a reason. this thread is making me sad

what potential can possibly come out of a child sired by an armed robber? a child you would always hate to see cos his face reminds you of his father when he violated you. . . . . .

Kx:
Why ask her to return a gift u willfully gave her?
She spent quality time (in bed too) with you, would u return the time,companionship and other
unquantifiable resources she put in the relationship no matter how short the relationship lasted?

Move on

they both spent quality time in bed? why do people generally think it's the woman doing the man a favour in the issue of s[i]e[/i]x?
matter of fact, men burn more calories. . . . .except doyhn is a paraplegic.

kemmeye:
i agree with the first but not the second cuz its not the babys fault and im sure the baby would not have wanted to come to the world like that and then again you never know wat the child could become in future.  

so you would keep the pregnancy of an armed robber?
are you serious?

maclatunji:
Some ladies are blessed with the gift of foresight and can see the CEO in an Okada rider.

see the ceo in an okada cyclist? that's a phat lie!

ladies just see the potentials just like a fellow man would see it.
they are not specially blessed with the gift of foresight but it must be said they are more excellent at managing than men.

horny4u:
To me calling  a woman gold digger is like calling a man who like small waist and big hips a figure digger,
Gold digger is a fallacy !

it's not a fallacy. women want their men gift-wrapped!

No woman wants to be with a hopeless, unambitious , no good man when there are men with the platinum  
and No man wants to be with a figure 1 when there are figure 8 there

so you are comparing physique to money?
why do you think there's a saying of "behind every successful man, there's a woman?"

well. . . . . it's because women always hover around successful men.

femmy2010:


That sure seem cogent enough.
Can the possibility of giving birth to an SS child be a cogent one to have an abortion?

if the parents are poor, the answer is yes.
cos their poverty would eventually lead to the death of that child sooner than later.

femmy2010:
Under what condition can abortion ever be justified?

-if the baby has the potential to kill her mother
-if a rapis[i]t[/i] is responsible for the pregnancy.

dohyn:
I've knwn nd liked my ex 4 yrs but we were only able 2 date 4 abt 9mths(long dist nd ish).nwys,we've broken 4 over a year nw.prob is,I gv her a chain wch was given to me by my late aunt.it's d only gift I hv of her nd wen giving it to my ex,I made her undstnd ow impt it ws to me.thg is,my ex hasn't worn d chain since,infact,she's averse to gold,so I asked her to return it but she refused.I jst think she's being petty cos I initiated d brkup.I jst want your opinion guys,m I a monster 4 asking her to return it?

hire touts and steal it from her

debosky:
NONE of the goals came from Samba, so why is it even relevant to the discourse? It now sounds as if Arsenal must man-mark the tallest opponent in order to defend well? Quite daft I must say.

that's exactly what you must do - and that's what most teams do against crouch, samba, hangleland and other beanpoles!!!

Secondly, is player height the measure with which to decide whether to zonal mark or not? How patently idiotic - Per doesn’t set the defensive strategy, regardless of his height, it is a managerial decision. Samba did not score, so it is rendered irrelevant.

you are a tool -
the article revealed per does not even know when to push up and keep the defensive line intact or not. he does not understand what to do when under attack.

Thirdly, performance is always based on comparing input to output. When the people doing better than you are consistently outspending you (aside from a few anomalies) then you need to increase spending or find an ingenious way to counteract that to demand the same output.

except that arsenal board keep insisting there's money to be spent. of course, not as much as city or chelsea. but arsenal can easily match what united have been spending in the last few years. arsenal bought chamberlain(£15). that could have bought smalling(£12m), arsenal paid £15m for arshavin, which could have easily bought phil jones. they could have signed joey barton(free), hargreaves(free), samba(£5m), shawn wright-phillips, etc.

In one breath the muppet of a writer says Utd have not missed having Rio and Vidic, but they can afford to bring in £12m Smalling and £20m Jones as replacements.

but then the same idiotic wenger bought chamberlain for £15m in this austerity. who buys for the future when the present is in crisis?
does that even make any economic sense?

Berba who is struggling to get a place for the EPL games probably cost close to Arsenal’s entire CC side yesterday.

that was 3 seasons ago. berba has fought for the cause.
he was the top scorer in the division last season.

If Wenger had similar quality of replacements, then it would be worth comparing.

it begs the question - what have arsenal been doing with £100m they make at the emirates every season? your debt is not as huge as united's and you make almost the same amount as man utd at the gates? what do you do with your revenue?

If someone is beating you with a Ferrari (Jones), it is silly to expect to catch him with a Ford Focus (Djourou).

not when the ford focus owner can actually afford lamborghini countach or a bugatti veyron but the owner prefers cheap cars to prove a point.

Who is Gasperini? When did he become Inter coach in the first place? What has he won? He was appointed in June, sacked in September. Comparing this to Wenger who was employed 15 years ago and the most successful manager in the club’s history is quite daft.

wenger is not the most successful manager at arsenal - he is only the longest serving manager.
graham taylor is the most successful - taylor won in europe. a feat that has eluded wenger for 15 fuckin years.

Secondly, Inter didn’t sell its best players and leave Gasperini stuck with scraps, they kept Wesley, and signed Zarate, Forlan, Alvarez, Santos, Castaignos and a bunch of others.

whose fault that cesc and nasri decided to leave a sinking ship?
if arsenal have been winning a title every other season, i doubt nasrigas would have left. the only way to keep quality players is to win titles with them. wenger has failed.

montelik:
If Inter's form doesn't pick up soon, Sneijder will be more than willing to take a pay cut come January.

gasperini(inter manager) has just been sacked!

wenger is a liability

Sacking Arsène Wenger is the easy option? No, it’s the easy option to keep him.
It seems as if everybody is afraid to call for the Arsenal manager to go because he was so successful in the past. But in sport, once you are in decline, it is incredibly hard to reverse the downward momentum.

Judged over the six years since Arsenal won a trophy, Wenger’s performance has clearly worsened. You would be very optimistic to think that simply because he was a great manager a decade ago, he will be again. Sport kicks you on the way down, it does not offer a hand to help you back up.
Wenger’s glorious past is distant and irrelevant. Right now, Arsenal are a flawed squad with a failing manager. So why should he not be sacked unless he does something radical that holds out the hope of a quick reversal of fortune?

Arsenal’s transfer deadline day panic buys were not the answer. They were desperate attempts to plug holes in the squad, not evidence of a manager changing his philosophy. The terrible defending on Saturday shows that. If Arsenal fans think that by signing Per Mertesacker and André Santos the defence will suddenly become solid, they are mistaken.

The pair are not great defenders and they do not have a great teacher. Who could claim Wenger is a good defensive tactician after watching the goals shipped at Ewood Park? Arsenal now resemble Newcastle United under Kevin Keegan, or Tottenham Hotspur in Ossie Ardiles’s time in charge. Ugly defending spoils the pretty attacking.

On Saturday it was textbook defending from Arsenal — from the chapter called “What not to do”. Mertesacker is 6ft 6in yet was zonal marking. Why was he not looking after Blackburn’s tallest threat? Is he or Santos the decisive, aggressive leader the back four is missing?
Mertesacker was slow and static while his central defensive partner, Laurent Koscielny, didn’t know whether to push up and play offside or stay back. He was moving everywhere, Mertesacker was going nowhere.

Arsenal give away so many chances. Yes, injured players will return and they will win plenty of games. But they won’t challenge for top honours. And a big club should not need everyone fit to look a good side. Manchester United are without Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic, but has anyone really noticed?

Arsenal are so beatable that the dressing room will inevitably lose faith in Wenger. Before sacking him, the best hope for positive change is not to pray the new signings are brilliant or wait for the sidelined players to return.

It is to push aside Pat Rice, Wenger’s assistant, and bring in an outstanding coach who is prepared to reorganise the defence, stand up to the manager and force him into questioning, then changing, his thinking on transfers and tactics. If not, little will alter and Wenger will deserve the boot.
--------
--------

miss deborah, you kept on harping the loss on saturday had nothing to do with the new signings, after reading that, the veil covering your eyes would have been removed.

as an aside, inter milan just sacked their manager gasperini after picking just one point from 3 league games.
why is it so difficult to sack arsene wenger with a similar performance after 3 league games?

Emperoh:
^^^^^
This is a huge risk and i hope it doesn't back fire.
Fielding an inexperienced three man back line and then an attacking line up for a team like Leeds is just something
that's evading my understanding. Didn't know Fryers was still on United's book

Thought he has moved.

injured since last season. . . . . .i thought ezekiel was shopped too cos i completely forgot about him.

wow. . . .what a game, fergie is a gambler.
in the end it was berbatov and carrick as centre-halves.
how this glaswegian gets away with this should be investigated.

ritchboy:
The two kids and the older dude pointing made my year
The guy in the white shirt was hysterical

stretford end fans are class.
one man was even giving torres the "w@nker" gesture.

[img]http://www.abload.de/img/torresmrur.gif[/img]

When people where saying Fergie wants to emulate Barca this season i had my doubts. . . But this 3-4-3(abi1-5-4?) i'm seeing ehh!

fergie is madt with that formation.
how many attacking players altogether?

who the 4k is ezekiel fryers?
what kinda nonsense line-up is this? is fergie madtttt?

---------------ben amos-------------

----valencia---fryers---fabio-------

js park----giggs----carrick----macheda

---------welbeck-----berbatov-------

-----------------owen------------