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StarBoard:
Apples and oranges?How so?Kindly explain.
Going by your logic,Obertan should be a star by now.

obertan is not in the same tier with ronaldo/nani.

Obertan came from Bordeaux under Laurent Blanc.One of football's good minds.How come the bumbler is still fumbling at Newcastle?

who is laurent blanc?

Country my a$$,it's just sheer co-incidence they are the same nationality,hence the obvious comparison.But to tell me that age is a factor in one's maturity while playing football is amusing to me to say the least.

sheer coincidence? i laugh in boko haram.
nani is the closest player to cristiano ronaldo in terms of style, attributes and techniques. they are very similar the way they play.
you cannot compare the development trajectory of ronaldo and nani without factoring the age they joined man utd. . . . .

Anderson who came along with Nani from the same Portugese league nko?What will you call that?banana and plantain?

firstly, anderson is not a winger
secondly, anderson is not portugese
thirdly, anderson has been united's top 3 performer this season.
i can bring out articles highlighting is brilliance this season - his development has also been stalled because of the long-term injuries he has copped while at united.

I still maintain:age is only a number.

yes, age is a number.
this is why oxdale chamberlain has more experience than wayne rooney, isn't it?

nateevs:
Yes you are missing a lot.

We lost 3-1 not 8-2.
We have 10 points from 5 games not 4.
We are 3rd on the table not 17th.
We have conceded only 4 goals not 12.
We have a goal difference of +2 not -8.
We look like on the path to greater achievements, you don't.

See how much you are missing?

see what manchester united have done to london clubs.
they are now at each other's throat about the biggest loser. . . . .how time has changed!!!

StarBoard:
Age ain't nothing but a number,my friend,with apologies to Aaliyah.
Maturity is not with age.
Gabriel Obertan arrived at United at a much older age than Ronaldo.Shouldn't he be looked at as future WPOTY?
Instead he is continuing to flop at Newcastle.

stop mixing apples n oranges abeg.
we are comparing 2 players from the same country with similar styles/attributes and similar set of skills.

obertan is a different kettle of fish.
ronaldo £12m at 18 yrs
nani £18m at 20 yrs

obertan £3m at 22.

montelik:
^^Even if you don't count age, you will count experience. Nani had more games at professional level when came over than CR7.

don't mind starboard!
how can we discuss nani and ronaldo and not factor their respective ages when they joined man utd?

StarBoard:
@coogar,
Like you pointed out,Nani joined United at an older age than Ronaldo,but that's not much of a factor.

it is a huge factor. nani was more matured than ronaldo when he joined man utd.
the difference between 18 and 21 is not beans.

montelik:
Glad to see others have noticed. While he was O.T every season you could see at least one aspect of his game that improved (e.g jumping, heading, vision, free-kicks, intelligence). But since his time at Real it seems he has stopped developing as Madrid rely so heavily on his goals. Madrid is not helping d boys development in my opinion.

ronaldo's build up play is a bit substandard these days. . . . .but who can blame him?
real madrid bought him to challenge messi on the scorer's charts. i reckon he's been told to leave all the elaboration of play to one side and just score goals. left foot, right foot, heading, knee, chest, butt, etc.

Pukkah:
Self-confessed crimes are worth investigating and getting the evidence (especially with his new-found faith) should not be a big problem.  He mentioned that they (or he) killed 9 herbalists in Abeokuta.

so where are those herbalists now?
did he mention their names? their addresses?

who are the victims? what year were the crimes perpetrated?
which location? how did they do the killing? where are the dead bodies to convince a judge killings actually took place?

this is not forensic investigation you watch on foreign channels.
we are talking about nigeria - where no one keeps any record.

Pukkah:
Apart from arresting this guy and trying him for the robberies, he should also be tried for these self-confessed murders and conspiracy with bad eggs in the Police.

there's no evidence!
how do you put a criminal on trial without evidence?

Emperoh:
^^^^^^
Two different types of player if you ask me. It is just that mathematics and statistics has a way of making you think something is the same as the other even when qualitative assessment says otherwise.

Nani never did so well the periods he tried to go after Ronaldo but we can all see the difference starting from last season
when he started being his own man and making decisions. World class players come in different molds. It depends on what your era is after. I feel his being a team player will be more beneficial to his career and development than trying to accumulate shows for himself.

Give or take, Fergie takes all the glory for unearthing such talents. After Rooney, it may well be Nani
Who knows!!!

But trying to compare the two will not work here.

i disagree. . . .

nani has always been a talented player since carlos queiroz signed him. . . .but he has direct rivals(giggs & ronaldo) who happen to be the best pair of wingers in england in 2007. in nani's debut season, he copped the highest number of assists for man utd in spite of his limited number of appearances. he destroyed arsenal in that 4-0 fa cup victory. wenger was so pissed, wenger complained later that nani was show-boating!

then fergie kept leaving him on the bench after queiroz left and his confidence was shot to bits. in his bid to impress, he began over-elaborating his play. making dud decisions when a simple pass should have sufficed and his general play was frustrating. then sometimes in january 2010, after his meeting with fergie, his confidence came back and he's been world class since then.

StarBoard:
Interesting way to look at it.
Ronaldo never had his way with Ashley Cole (at Arsenal or Chelsea) in all his time in England the way Nani tore Cole part yesterday.
But Nani tends to over-elaborate.Where a simple well timed pass would suffice,Nani would like to thread it through four pair of legs.And it could be infuriorating.
Ronaldo used to be a show-pony,but he developed into this single-minded goal machine after the 2006 World cup,and there lies the difference between the two:Nani from his assists is more of a team player than Ronaldo will ever be and he (Nani) has room to improve.

f.w.i.w, nani is definitely better than Ronaldo in the build up. i.e better dribbler, passer, crosser, techical ability, works harder etc.
ronaldo owns nani when it comes to banging in goals however it's done, left foot, right foot, heading and speed.

nani would never be able to match the scoring numbers ronaldo has put up these past few years - cristiano has been electrifying.
ronaldo's overall play is diminishing - he has become a goal machine like ruud van nistelrooy. that is what's keeping him at the top. i have not seen ronaldo dribble his marker and leaves them for dead like nani does either with pace or in a standing position.

StarBoard:
@coogar,
Judging from the above stat,are we saying Nani is/can be better than Ronaldo?
I'd like to know what you think of this.

if we can put giggsy's brains in nani's head, nani is the best player in the world.

what baffles me about him is despite the obscene number of mistakes he makes in a match, he is still very effective!!!
his stats comparison with ronaldo is a bit misleading though cos ronaldo joined united at 18, nani joined at 20+. . . .

https://i.imgur.com/2D2xq.jpg

amazing statistics from nani. . . . .
skysports actually got it wrong cos nani copped 41 assists in his first 100 premier league games.

montelik:
Fair enough, but it was Jones whom after following Torres to d half-way line, lost him while getting back into position and leaving d space for Torres to run into. Both Jones are Evans could be blamed, more Jones in my opinion.

torres ran between phil jones and johnny evans. . . . .he ran behind jones and in front of evans.
evans saw torres making that run and he didn't track him. jones didn't even see torres dart behind him, evans saw it.

montelik:
I wish Roy Keane was still captain at United. Rooney would have received a real telling off for that rubbish he did at d end. Even at 8-0 in stoppage time you never stop playing like a professional. Clean thru on goal in a central position with d only gk left to beat and well out of his goal, he should have taken d ball either side of him and tapped it in, not tried to be Mr Good guy and make d more difficult pass. "Oh look at me, I am so selfless". Rubbish and nonsense, I hope he wouldn't try such nonsense when d team is still looking for a result.

fergie berated rooney in his post-match interview!!

"rooney made a terrible pass, a really bad pass".

StarBoard:
We can't win it all.

we should attempt to win them all. we have a bulky squad. . . . no excuses

Three times, and rightfully so.
You can't blame me for questioning a signing when we already had cover.
But again I'm wrong and I admit it.

cheers!

Guy,you said against Benfica that Carrick made passes in safe areas,that is why he had a high percentage in pass completion.
Am I supposed to believe your volte-face on Carrick?
I can assume he made those passes in safe areas,including one where he made a pass to de Gea instead of initiating an attack.

benfica's match was a different scenario entirely.
we were never in a leading position throughout the game so carrick's safety passes were hindering the team.
it was a game united needed to score. . . .then benfica got their goal and the need to score became huge - it wasn't the kind of game safety passes was needed.

last night, we were leading 3-0 and united kept giving the ball away(fletcher and anderson - big  culprits).
chelsea got their goal and they looked like getting more. fergie saw we need to hold possession so he removed a tired anderson and on came carrick. obviously, he was brought in to do a job - maintain possession! i think he did very well.

StarBoard:
We don't need the Carling Cup.If Nicky Ajose was still around,I'd have canvassed a start for him.

we need every competition we have entered this season. i want to win it all.
we have 3 football teams in that squad - no excuses!

As per Carrick,it's not just enough to hug posession.He gives the ball away rather too easily and I'm not comfortable with his nervy and sometimes clumsy disposition.

18 completed passes
20 total passes.
3 tackles attempted
3 tackles won.
90% pass completion.

it takes a lot to impress you, don't you think?

Phil Jones-Future United captain. . .Anyone?

that would be the same phil jones that didn't fill you with confidence when we signed him in the summer.
starboard, starboard, starboard. . . . . .how many times did i call you?

proudly9ja:
Finally, whether this is true or not, at least it shows some people also see what some of us have been saying here for years!
I just hope Arsene will swallow his pride and do what's best for the team.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/09/19/2672769/arsenal-players-want-arsene-wenger-to-hire-new-defensive

that article is nonsense - another gibberish from the shithouse called goal.com.

where's the quote from any of the arsenal players that they want wenger to hire a new defensive coach.
i think clubs should start suing websites like goal.com for peddling such nonsense stories.

StarBoard:
Evra had a pretty solid game going forward and combining with Ashley Young.
Defensively he was ok.
Just getting worried  about the injuries we're copping.Especially at the back.
Fergie's saviour is that the dudes accross the back minus Evra can adapt across the back four.That's why he can get away with his selection at the back.Also,I wonder what Carrick is still doing as a United player.

carrick did very well. . .

he did what fergie wanted(hug possession) although he offered nothing going forward as he kept on with his safety passes. berbatov did well too maintaining possession in the final third. if only rooney was brilliant with his pass, berbatov would have scored that last chance but rooney's pass was very very poor.

i don't even know who would start @ leeds. i guess we might see mickey owen, giggs, berbatov and diouf.

emmatok:
LOL, You say " her daughter is even prettier" .

I see you just love to urge.

I will leave alone.

what's wrong with her daughter?

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=761896.msg9175546#msg9175546 date=1316427615]@ coogar
yes, a beautiful woman can produce ugly kids.[/quote]bizarre

And an ugly woman can produce beautiful kids.

weird

However, all these topics are meaningless to me because owo itoju is more important than all the nonsense being peddled on this thread.

this is a good point but it doesn't always apply.
the most beautiful chics in lagos are from the slums with little or zero grooming and yet they are stupendously stunning.

You have beautiful children who every tom Joystick and harry is jumping on for sex- what use is that to anybody if all people are seeing is the opportunity to p.imp them out as hookers.

by the same token you have beautiful children who get favours left, right and centre from people who just want to associate themselves to the kids.
it works a treat! i know cos i am cute!

Most first ladies of the united states are not super beautiful and they're doing just fine.

they are not butt-ugly as well.

I'm not going to argue this kind of silly discussion all day.

why na?

emmatok:
Sorry, the children can may look like their ugly father.

Even if their mother is beautiful.

Omotola and her Daughter

if anything, the pictures you posted have rendered your argument useless.
omotola is pretty, her daughter is even prettier.
if a good looking man marries a beautiful woman, they would produce beautiful kids.

nateevs:
Does anyone know where Arsenal will finish?

sixth!

proudly9ja:
Does anyone know when Rosicky will be back?

6th of october

debosky:
No more responses to the dress wearing coogar.

you thin tool!

StarBoard:
Not confident about Johnny Evans.
I read on a response to a blog that he is apparently United's weakest link defensively.
I agree.
Passes kept catching him out yesterday.
Dude needs to improve,seriously.
I'm not sure he can keep up,but I guess with Smalling out injured he'll find a way to keep his place in the side.

he was the culprit last night. . . .he should have tracked torres' run for chelsea's goal. . . .he just stood like a statue.
the chance torres missed was also his fault.

fergie's selection is baffling, smalling and phil jones should be the centre-backs with fabio on the right and chief evra on the left.
evra was also guilty of some abysmal positioning last night. he kept drifting inwards instead of staying with sturridge. he was caught out like 5 times - making the same mistakes of leaving his position.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=761896.msg9175425#msg9175425 date=1316426624]Btw beautiful wife doesnt automatically mean beautiful kids.

You cant really predict how your kids will turn out-they could have all the ugliness people are saying runs in their family.

Neither is it surprising the shallow generation is more worried about which plastic surgeon and bleaching specialist to take their kids to, than actually raising the kids.

Yorubas say of a well bred child, "owo itoju wa lara e". This means they're noting if the child seems well taken care of by the parents, not if the child is beautiful.[/quote]how so?
if one's wife is beautiful, how the heck would the kids not be beautiful?
if beautiful wife does not produce beautiful kids, would ugly wife?

nateevs:
Where is Dayo?

[flash=425,300]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvfNl-kkqYs[/flash]

you should see david villa's miss or cristiano ronaldo's miss in 06/07.
terrible misses than torres' miss. kanu had one shocking miss too @ pompey few inches from the goalline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iZX_khnvok&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VSTVUByAZ0

2 of the best strikers in the world.

debosky:
I will respond to just one of your posts Sharon - probably against my better judgement, but here goes. . . .

deborah, you are getting too old for this.

Lethargy in the midfield, yet Ramsey and Song were not new signings - Arteta was not involved in conceding either goal. Lethargy in attack and there was RVP, Arshavin and Gervinho who all spent weeks together in pre-season.

ramsey was outstanding in the first half - same as alex song.
arteta is a premier league veteran and he scored a good goal. i have no complaints about arsenal's first half performance but the missed chances.
and as you know, arsenal led 2-1 before the break. . .

it was what happened after the break that broke my heart. . . . .
sagna copped an injury and who came on to replace him? arsenal's attack kept missing chances after chances.
gervinho trying to be a super-hero. . . . .van persie not finding his scoring form, arshavin is majorly useless.

How come they didn't fly out of the blocks like this in any of the previous 24 seasons with Fergie? Oh this is the first time Utd has signed players and had a preseason.

it's the first time. . . . .go and check the history.

Besides, Liverpool bought players early and got tonked 4-0 today after losing to Stoke last week. What sterling cases of an excellent preseason.

so you are going to use liverpool's 9 men against a tottenham side at home to defend arsenal's show of shame last night?
how pathetic!!!

They have been ok but lost two games on the trot with no goals scored. That's just the type of OK they need.

they were the better team against stoke. the statistics are on the web space.
get hold of it and print it here. stoke were very lucky to have won that game but liverpool have themselves to blame for not converting the scores of chances that came their way. at the end of it all, only a dodgy penalty won stoke fc the game. . . . .quite different from arsenal winning 2-1 at half time only to lose 4-3 after 45 mins to a side that has not won a single match all season.

My friend sharrap! Only ONE goal (the freekick) was pumped into the box - does Per also need to learn about how the ball is played on the ground?

you are a tool!
the corner kick was what? the one yakubu scored from a marginal offside position?
what about the free-kick?

deborah, your vision needs alignment.

debosky:
Mancini kept playing - he didn't lock up shop at Wembley. If he had brought on his usual 2 DMs and set up the defences, they would've neutralised Utd's midfield, or at least severely diminished their potency.

see contradictions!
you said if it was mancini, he woulda closed shop - now you are saying mancini kept playing at wembley
which is really which?

truth is, you can park a bus all day long but this united team with ashley young and nani stretch the play.
it's like being pulled in 2 different directions. one cross-field pass and you are constantly under attack. united would score no matter what. not too many teams can defend for 90 mins at old trafford and get away with it. man city will not do that again after the stacks of £££ spent and villas-boas wouldn't do that as well.

Facetious deception at its best.

every media site has lauded chelsea's performance.
on another day, it could have been any scoreline. 6-6 or 12-10.

by the way, where are arsenal currently on the table?

debosky:
That was never the contention - of course there may have been improvements from having them earlier. However, that definitely wasn't the cause of the two own goals and is arguably negligible when considering yesterday's loss.

it was the cause of the 2 home goals. . . . .it was lethargy in your midfield and the attack wasn't even up to the normal arsenal standard.
the team chemistry was lacking

In general buying early would have assisted better team integration. However, if we look at the second half goals conceded yesterday, there is no way you can come to any conclusion that a preseason would have helped prevent them.

your idiocy showcasing should stop. there's a reason managers ensure players get the needed preseason. . . .
go and read fergie's post match conference today - he mentioned it concerning phil jones and ashley young.

Liverpool had all their deals done early, yet got flogged 4-0 today after losing 1-0 to Stoke last week. It goes to show you that you can severely overestimate the benefit of buying early.

without the pre-season, it could have been 8-2 and 5-1 losses respectively. coupled with the fact that liverpool had 9 men on the pitch.
liverpool's result is an anomaly. they have been okay until today and this is why they are well above arsenal on the table.

To conclude, I agree with you that it would help our team integration in general, but the specific issues we saw yesterday would not have been solved by early buys.

it would have been solved.
that brazilian left back would have gotten used to his team-mates in a proper match. . . . . .metresacker would have learnt about defending against the english style of pumping balls into the box.

debosky:
And that is what proves AVB learned nothing from the defeats Utd has been handing out thus far this season. I trust Mancini - he'd have locked up shop and played negative for as long as possible. It is utter folly to firstly acknowledge Utd's massive superiority (at this point) and still go gung-ho at them.

locking shop or not, united would score.
mancini had that opportunity @ wembley. he led 2-0 at half time, tried to lock shop and he ended up conceding 3 goals.

Luckily for you Rooney was thinking about how many grannies he can sleep with in Leeds during the CC game that he didn't focus on scoring goals.

chelsea had a go!!! they lost!!!
better than locking up shop and still losing.

montelik:
Maximum 15 points from 5 games. 24 goals scored against 4 conceded, even with our "leaking basket no.1 goalie" (according to d pundits and united fans of little faith) and 3 of our first choice defenders out injured. Top of d table by 2 points and a decent goal difference.

I won't be criticizing or nitpicking any of d players or performances yet (even though there is still plenty of room for improvement). Just a huge well done to them for a flying start to d season, every last one of them.

phil jones, ashley young and de gea have been magnificent this season - i cannot ask for more. . . .

nateevs:
All I am saying is that was largely due to the fact he was made to look good.

cashley doesn't make wingers look good - he's a brilliant left back and he delivers quality defending consistently.
it was nani that made him look poor.

ronaldo spent 6 yrs in this league - he never sodomized cashley like nani did tonight.
it was breath-taking. . . .dribbles after dribbles after dribbles.

StarRise:
@coogar,
At the end of the day,they lost.Playing well never shows up in the stats,and was never of any coonsequence.3points matter.I still wont write them off;but i think City are the side we should be worried about.
By the way,I think i did give them some credit.Or you missed it?First thing I did.Read it all over.

city drew 2-2 at fulham. . . .i am not worried about city.

if villas-boas maintain this same team and they gel quickly, chelsea might finish ahead of man city - mark my words!
i saw a different chelsea side today. . . . .they were creating chances after chances. . . although game was like basket ball, end to end but you still have to admire mata tonight at times. he was really good value for money!

can't wait for the corresponding fixture at stamford bridge.

nateevs:
How poor was Ashley Cole? He was shocking and Nani was not even that great.

nani wasn't great? did you watch the game?

nani copped the man of the match in which he was involved with everything united did today.
he utterly destroyed your left side of the pitch. . . . .his 2nd thunderous shot led to united's penalty!!!

StarRise:
Great game;but that miss by Torres.
Phil Jones is making Vidic and Ferdinand look bad. . .
Kudos to Chelsea for being dogged,but they lacked conviction in the vital area.I'm not saying they are out of it but I still am not convinced they will make a title bid this season.Sure they've got good players but I think they will need to get some bonding together.
I remember saying i wasn't scared of Chelsea,but nateevs ran me down because coogar was supporting his view.
By the way,how did Ashley cole finish that game?He should have been sent off for scything down Hernandez with that crude tackle.

give your opponents their due respect. . .

chelsea played wonderfully. . . .some of the passes mata was orchestrating from the midfield were absolutely world class.
we had our chances too but chelsea played their part magnificently.

if you are not scared of this chelsea then i dunno what to say. this was played at old trafford.
we still have to go to their abode and they would have improved by the time we play them again.

villas-boas picked the right team minus lampard in the first.
and in the 2nd half, they were a bit better than us.

debosky:
^^

I agree - he was scintillating apart from the glaring misses.

rooney missed sitters too. . . .these things happen in big games.

the positive for chelsea is torres is back again.
what a lovely little player mata is. . . . .he kept finding torres with some smart passes. . . anelka was class too.
it was an enjoyable game all through!!!

but. . . .but. . . .nani monumentally destroyed ashley cole tonight.
it's the first time i would see ashley cole utterly battered. . . . .
cashley should have been shown a red card. . . . .that tackle on chicharito was a leg breaker!