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elampiro:
Who gets into the middle more than Nani? Nani scores most of his goals around the 18 box arc.

and he's also expected to cover his right back.... so he drifts centrally occasionally and quickly falls back into position.

hazard & silva are free to roam. they have 2 gorillas in the pivot to snuff out any counterattack when both players drift inwards.
nani had more defensive assignment than any of hazard/silva ever mustered in the premier league.

SailorXY:
no mind elampiro, leg-over still dey make am happy

i dunno why people overrate dribbling....
a through-pass like what cesc supplied last night is more effective than dribbling to me. the reason people dribble is to break the lines & get through - it serves exactly the same purpose as a through-pass.

by elampiro's standard, okocha is better than xavi.

elampiro:
The difference here is that two seasons were compared between Silva and Hazard by EPL officials and Hazard won. In whoscored three sesons were compared, and Hazard won two.
whoscored and EPL best X1 don't always agree every time. But in the case of Silva and Hazard they corroborated each other 80% on who is the better player. Only once out of three times did whoscored picked Silva over Hazard.

and i'm telling you whoscored is not accurate when you compare 2 players over a season. last season, hazard played 700 league minutes than silva - whoscored ignore such differential when rating players.

the only time you can bring whoscored as a statistical fact is when you are comparing two players that both completed 90 mins in one game or both completed same number of minutes in a game!!!

what do you think hazard was doing in the 700 minutes difference? picking his nose? is he not expected to have more passes, created more chances, etcetera in 700 minutes that translate to almost 8 full matches??

SIRcumalot:
A player in Silva's role will definitely possess similar stats as compared to wingers usually Isolated on the Wing.
So this stats doesn't tell d whole story.

hazard isn't an out & out winger.
he's very different to valencia or even nani who hug the touchline. if hazard is a traditional winger, what was he doing at the edge of the box dribbling 3 arsenal players to win a penalty?

silva gets drafted wide & he cuts in like hazard. aguero/dzeko are the top 2 forwards in city. navas on the right, nasri/silva on the left. they all operate in the same way but silva is the better player between the two.

elampiro:
Cooagr, those stats you stated is screwed by the fact that Mourinho parks the bus and City plays their forwards high on the pitch.

The professional footballers have spoken.

mourinho was also belgium's manager when even fellaini outplayed hazard in brazil.

professional footballers have spoken? ok - tell us the whoscored ratings between nani & bale in 2010/11.

SailorXY:
stay there dey deceive yourself with mathematics, so you are trying to tell me that Hazard was more in the game against City than Silva? this last match wey we just watch finish? a game where the first meaningful Chelsea attack was after a red card to their opponent? hahaha guy get yourself a better television first, & probably a HD decoder as well

this was their stats last season when analysed per minute. hazard is a fraud! the 700 more minutes he played than silva is the reason he's rated higher than silva on whoscored. it means he woulda made more key passes, more accurate passes, more dribbles, more shots than his counterpart that either got subbed too early or wasn't fit to play.

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elampiro:
Harzard wins Chelsea most penalties. Most times when the game becomes deadlock he does a Maradona like dribbling as we saw yesterday. Did you see what he did yesterday to win that penalty? Only Maradona or Messi can do that. He did it many times last season bringing something special late on to win difficult matches.

no he doesn't!
chelsea players get into the box a lot & thus they win penalties. it's not down to hazard alone. what he did yesterday was the only positive thing he contributed in the game & that was it. if silva had done that, aguero or toure woulda taken the resulting penalty.

whoscored cannot quantify such differentials.

If whoscored is farce? Then Silva's case is even worse with EPL best X1 (voted by EPL players in the last two seasons.) No one here can claim to know better than collective of professional EPL players.

EPL XI is sometimes a popularity contest. we all saw nani outplay gareth bale in 2010/11 but bale unanonymously got the award. in 2008/9 season, giggs was chosen over vidic, ronaldo, torres & gerrard. giggs contributed next to nothing & he won a sympathy award. there are other examples too.

Lastly, if Silva get subs, it means he isn't even so valued. He get's rotated with a player like Nasri.

if silva gets substituted, it's a testament to the quality of the city side. hazard would be lucky to get 20 league starts at city.......and silva will play every game at chelsea. hazard is so good but mata was chosen ahead of him as the player of the season.

hazard ko, danger ni.

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khaki isn't leather, silva na hazard's grandfather.

leggo:
fellaini to man-mark?you might as well give Fab the keys to Old Trafford. Let that be Valencia's role for the rest of the season.

fellaini is a good hatchet man to man-mark. he's tall & he's a bully. he has a way of making all those niggling fouls that will not attract yellow cards immediately. small elbow, little trips, shoulder barges, aerial dominance, etc. cesc has no pace - so it's not like he can outpace fellaini in a chase.

chrisley024:
I rate Silva higher. He has got big game influence, intelligence and technique and makes Toure better unlike Hazard that flashes few times in games.

silva is at least 5 times better than hazard. the whoscored rating is a farce. hazard takes penalties - the ratings will not highlight that aspect like yesterday where hazard did little & scored a goal via penalty.

another reason whoscored rating is a farce is the fact that they base statistics per game instead of per minutes. hazard has spent more minutes on the pitch than silva in the last 2 seasons.

in a nutshell, the only time whoscored ratings should be taken seriously is for one game where the players compared both completed 90 mins. you cannot use it as an accurate statistical tool for one season where one player plays more minutes than the other.

MaziOmenuko:
Remove Fabregas and we all would be discussing how Torres was better than Costa! Its a fact: leave the responsibility of creating chances for Hazard and you'll see a struggling chelsea this season. When you dance around with the ball, your strikers will keep running into offside and eventually get frustrated.

I believe Torres would have fared better if he had Fab behind him as Costa is presently enjoying.

fabregas is the heartbeat of that chelsea side. hazard adds nothing to them apart from the occasional flashes of brilliance which are far & few in between. if we intend to win against them on the 26th, fellaini or valencia must be designated to man-mark fabregas.

stop fabregas & you would stop chelsea from playing. rafael would easily keep hazard in his pocket. hazard has nothing to offer when he's marked by a pacy full-back. cesc is what makes them tick. he gives them a different dimension. how do you defend the pass that got chelsea the second goal yesterday? costa has 9 league goals already & 4 of them were fabrepass!

enough said!!

hensben:
barcelona won man utd in 2 ucl final; 2-0 n 3-1 n u re here calling a slim win slaughter...pathetic..atletico bibao played man utd like mid table club by battering them home n away.

you are starting to exhibit the stüpidity known to most chelsea fans worldwide. united(without vidic) kept barcelona from scoring in 180 mins of football and they had henry, etoo & messi in both legs - what do you call it if not slaughtering? evra ate messi all night & reduced him into a cry-baby.

homesteady:
abeg is it not more painful to lose 2 UCL finals against the same team? even in Man U home country, Barça defeated them!
For like 3 years in a roll ( apart from last year) it has been a Spanish team that kicked Man u out of any European cup!

there's no pain in losing to the best team in the world as at then. man utd home country is a useless argument. wembley isn't united's home ground. it was a neutral ground for both teams.

xp17:
shout up my friend!
berbartov my a'ss! the same guy whose goals were as useless as Everton's 3 goals against Chelsea. FYI, bebertov was the worst forward for man utd that season, even Ferguson acknowledged that.

you are a consummate simpleton!
when laboratory idiöts like you have no point - they resort to gibberish known to photosensitive epileptic patients. a forward won a golden boot & a lunatic like you is saying he's the worst forward in united.

show us where fergie acknowledged berbatov was the worst forward. you chelsea fans have a bird brain. you concoct nonsense from your rectum and try to present it as fact.

you really yeye shall , as in , in you analysis. the berbatov that you fooling yourself about for, was the same guy that scored almost his 20 goals in 4 matches,14goals in 4 matches (small teams bully, except his hatrick against Liverpool, of which Liverpool was not in the race for the silverware) .

the above even tells me you are a raving lunatic. how can anyone say liverpool weren't in the title race in september - when the season was only just starting? if liverpool goes to conference league, a game between them and united would still be more difficult than el-clasico. these are two teams with the greatest rivalry in the world.

the top teams he scored against that season were Liverpool, Bolton wdr, Fulham, Everton and Newcastle.
his 5 goals against Blackburn were unnecessary, he was just an opportunist on that game and my grand mom would score those from her grave.

another idiötic assertion.
you can only beat the teams put before you. what percentage of messi's goals are scored against top teams? what about ronaldo? they both score 50 goals on average every season & they don't even score more than 5 goals in the el clasico ties & that's it. the other teams in la liga cannot be reckoned with.

I'd give that accolade to tevez alone.
which team amongst the top 5 did your useless berbatov scored against ?
Chelsea remains the only team in Europe that is yet to lose a match in all competitions. KTBFFH!

once again, you have displayed the intelligence of a pubic louse. tevez played more games than berbatov that season, tevez scored 7 league goals from penalties & direct freekicks that season & yet he couldn't outscore berbatov.

if berbatov was wack that season, why did his fellow professional footballers vote him in the PFA team? do you know what all of them don't know or have you replaced your IQ with a plate of hot porridge? you are lucky my mood isn't foul this morning - the next time you come at me with an idiòtic opinion or cretinous analysis, i would tear you into shreds.

you have been warned!!!!

SIRcumalot:
i know this is going to rile coogar up but how many of hazard chances did super torres convert ?

why should it rile me up - about 40% of those chances are from set plays...

SailorXY:
he may command a fee even higher than the 60m pounds rumored

... & some people say we should "move on" by not bidding for the best player in the world

if ronaldo is available, we should sell fergie, bobby charlton, giggs & scholes to buy him. he's miles ahead of messi now. nobody even compares them anymore.....

ronaldo hatrick!

this lad is on a mission.

vosquare:
..dey wil regret not having him in their squad

he might soon find his way there.....alves is getting old & maicon is finished.

rafael is only 24....plenty of time for him if he sorts his many injuries.

mcfarlin:
Marco reus
Even raheem sterling
Fact is hazard can't get better IMO
Those guys can improve.
Hazard can't outscore even neymar in laliga.

madrid are already after sterling. raheem has refused to sign his contract renewal. sturridge signed last week. raheem is stalling, he might leave liverpool in january.

another bale assist for ronaldo.....

ronaldo - 12 league goals & he's not completed 6 matches yet. he now has 16 goals in all competitions & the season is less than 2 months.

this boy is a machine.....

mcfarlin:
I've stopped arguing with those arrogant chelshit fans.

They need to wake up and smell the coffee

IMO hazard may never be named as the worlds best player in his career.

how many assists does he give??

At hazards present age cr7 already scored 40+ goals in a season.

Hazard can't even score 20

Yet some people will say he is the best choice in replacing cr7 at madrid.

if ronaldo were to leave madrid tonight, i doubt they would necessarily sign a winger to do like for like. they would go out there & sign a prolific goalscorer. ronaldo scores about 40% of their goals - who's going to fill that space for them? hazard??

i see them going for aguero, sturridge, costa, etc before hazard. the only similarity between cristiano & hazard is that they are both referred as wingers.....ronaldo's role in that team is way above hazard's talent as of tonight.

SailorXY:
i think you are basing this on today's match

one-legged ribery is better than hazard - either in-form or off-form.

mcfarlin:
I wouldn't if I were you

Rodriguez is younger than hazard

Plays in a better team surrounded by world stars.

He will get better and believe me in a few years time that guy will WOW y'all.

Don't forget when cr7 was hazards age he already had the balon d'or and made the podium at least twice.

chelsea fans forget that bit a lot.
at 22, only kaka was adjudged better than ronaldo in the world. at 23, ronaldo claimed his first ballon d'or........

hazard hasn't even won PFA player award in england yet. what's the comparison? i hope chelsea fans won't gas up hazard & turn him into another rooney. potential potential potential, now rooney is 29 & his fans still talk about his potential.

SIRcumalot:
I didn't know you rate Rodriguez majority agree that Maria is better.
I never rank based on the WC but Juan Cuadrado was Colombia's best player Rodriguez just gets the Popularity vote.
Since we're naming achievements Hazard has the Ligue best player award where his rodriguez's ?

james rodriguez is a beast!
you need to see his technique & football brain - he is everything you need in a forward. i rate him so highly.

bammy:
@Coogar

Weting dey wrong with Falcao ? i know he's found the net today for the first time but i believe he's struggling , any real reason he's struggling ?

costa & cesc had preseason games together. all those meaningless matches were meant to dust off the cobwebs & build on the chemistry of the team. chelsea were more prepared than united for the season.

falcao only joined in september - he's having to dust the cobwebs while on the job because united don't have any other competition to use as match practise. it's coming together for him & expect him to be at full pelt by december.

afrodoc2:
Reus definitely.....and possibly the other 2. Lahm most definitely.
if u add goal keepers then Neuer will be there.
Hazard has lots of potential but he is at present a top 30 player at best. He has to improve his overall play especially in midfield and depend less on running 1 v 1 situations

if we add defenders & keepers, hazard wouldn't be in top 50.

ronaldo just scored again - what a header, what a cross from bale. i doubt we can ever see anyone like cristiano again. hes a machine. scoring is to ronaldo as breathing is to coogar.

hensben:
30 striker? ah! you can lie oo...still not change the fact that kalou>>berbatov

you are correct - kalou won a golden boot in his last season at chelsea.

afrodoc2:
LOL very similar to mine

no chelsea fan can even argue it that di maria dey top 10. i even forgot cesc, aguero, zlatan, vidal, and another dozen players somewhere.

hazard won't get into top 30.

SIRcumalot:
I'll swap Rodriguez with Hazard.

jokes!
when hazard wins a golden boot in a world cup with an average side like columbia, you should submit hazard's name then. i won't even put di maria before rodriguez....

SIRcumalot:
Of cause I'll never admit it to a chelsea fan but the guy is very good.
I'll like to know nine players u'll pick before Hazard right now.

•ronaldo
•messi
•bale
•james rodriguez
•neymar
•suarez
•robben
•iniesta
•di maria
•diego costa

there are about 8 german players i didn't even mention. muller, goetze, reus, etc would get ahead of hazard in any world xi.

SIRcumalot:
Strong argument for Top 10 ten best player in the world IMO

who? hazard?
he won't even be in the top 10 in europe. was this not the same hazard that looked outta sorts during the world cup? the potential is there but that's where it ends.

homesteady:
I assume you mean barca, A . Madrid and R.madrid are the three top teams, but Man u, one of EPL top teams keeps on struggling to win the rest teams - Real Sociedad and Athletic bilbao!
and the rest 17 teams keeps on dealing with EPL teams in Europa!
Its not la liga's fault that premier league don't have quality strikers who can score 40 goals! Suarez who could have done that has gone to find greener pastures in a better league!
BTW Suarez that missed up 9 games still ended up with same number of goals with Cr7 that played almost all Madrid games!

that is the same man utd that have destroyed valencia(when they were great) several times. i remember chicharito pissing all over valencia about 3 seasons ago in spain. you remember one or two games & you are using it to sway arguments. beating spanish sides have never been a problem for united - barcelona were slaughtered on our way to 07/08 champions league.

hensben:
team win titles not a player...tell me his individual award...he cant even lace our legends boot ...kalou>>berbatov

so golden boot isn't an individual award? i just told you only 2 strikers have matched that feat in about 13 seasons for chelsea. you have bought about 30 forward players in that period

berbatov is better than 98% of the forwards chelsea have acquired in the last 13 seasons. go & sort that out before talking about our brilliant bulgarian. the only striker who score goals without a sweat in the premier league.

SailorXY: i think he should be cautioned by Giggs especially, and subsequently benched if there is no change on the pitch!

he had a very poor game by his standard today. i didn't notice is selfish & i want to assume LVG delegates who takes which set-piece. what cooked his goose today for me was his decision making when the chances came to him.

he should have headed one cross & he applied one useless flick. there was also one chance that he used the wrong foot - it's like he's unsure of himself - lets just hope it's a temporary glitch. robin has one of the best tekkers in the history of this league so i dunno what he's on about.

hensben:
man united are shy.te, the ref n english fa made SAF to succeed....berbatov has no ucl medal, so kalou>>berbatov..nuff said

he has 3 league titles - that is as many as the whole chelsea fc have in the last 60 years.

elampawa: I suggested we used Val in the midfield but someone (I think Dadehmola shouted me down) and Starboard was applauding him. Then Afrodoc also picked Val afterwards before Coogar surprisingly selected him too.

why are you distorting the facts?
you said valencia should be tried on the flanks....i was the first person that suggested he should be part of the 3-man midfield cos of his energy & to reduce the defensive burden on mata.

this was my comment on the issue on friday

coogar: he's very good in the middle for ecuador!
valencia is their di maria with his direct running. he doesn't have to cross so it should be easier for him to just pass the ball to the players ahead of him & when he loses possession, he has the energy to drift back.

i just don't want any defensive role for mata tomorrow. if we play 3 runners in the middle, there wouldn't be any need for mata to track back. 7 players are enough to defend. let mata create while robin & radamel do the finishing.

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Ibime:
Anelka won golden boot in 2009 without kicking a penalty. Get your facts right.

i will have to check that.....surely, anelka must have been helped via a direct freekick or a penalty.

hensben:
wrong!!! berbatov too sluggish as a striker thats the reason SAF preferred owen than him...he is a flop for that outragous money..torress won ucl, europa league n fa cup with chelsea...berbatov is a mid-table team striker...nuff said

berbatov is the better forward!
he scores & assists in equal proportion. he's the better footballer, torres in his prime was the better poacher though. berbatov won a golden boot & won 3 league titles for united.........the same as lampard, terry & cole.

sluggish berbatov = chelsea legends.

chelsea are shytë!

hensben:
overall torres>>berbatov..nuff said.

2 different type of strikers.....
however, if you had berbatov since you have had torres, chelsea would have won a league title since.

your record stinks - 1 league title in 8 seasons.

AirborneLacer:
Enough of this clusterfuck cooger.
Costa hit three against Milan, scored against Porto and Chelsea.
So these lot are underdogs?
Nigga lock up!

milan & porto aren't better than everton. milan are now a spent force & porto aren't anywhere. when was the last time those 2 teams played in the semis in elite europe?

chelsea were a useless side last season - any striker worth his value could have scored against them. any side that loses to crystal palace & sunderland in a title race should not be taken serious.

SIRcumalot:
I don't know if Lukaku is overated but that Mcnair boy did well.

mcnair would keep costa in his pocket too. the goal we conceded was too cheap. i dunno how defenders don't shut baines out - he's so instrumental to the way everton attack.

stop baines & everton are almost toothless - someone should have closed baines down & by the time his cross arrived in the box, only the midgets(shaw & rafael) were in the box.

Benstino:
Now u're talking

talking what?