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jackbauersballs: Torres by default is that kind of player. He naturally sits on the shoulder of the last defender waiting for the through ball. At Chelsea he is NOT the main goal outlet. Neither is Ba. They are both part of an Ensemble cast - And it is hurting both of them as they are used to being the main outlets.

Chelsea style is messing up these guys for real.

Note: Assisting is not all about delivering the final ball, Falcao/Ronaldo and the Old Torres have very often initialized a goal scoring move.

end of discussion!
if dayo replies you after this then it's because he lacks decorum and dignity! the above post aptly summarises the problem with strikers in chelsea. a striker has to be the focal point to thrive. torres isn't the focal point at chelsea, neither is demba ba.

Pataki: That my friend is a preposterous statement to make. Who was De Gea at the start of this season? With the way ManU is currently, I am suspecting you guys are gonna be conceeding a lot more goals than you anticipated. De Gea is a good goalie, but he is very poor at reading games when it matters most. Poor mental strength which the likes of Julio and young Hart exhibit without fear.

Such a shame that Julio found himself with the worst defensive side in the league.

did you see my gif of cesar in the previous post? a straight shot at him that he spilled miles ahead of him and a striker scored from it? how can that guy be the best in the division?

then you said "young" hart! if hart is young, what is de gea? old?? de gea is poor at reading games is a myth! let's just say the media love hounding him but things have changed now since he stunned his critics against madrid @ the bernebau!

dayokanu: In 2000 league minutes played this season Demba Ba has scored 15 goals.

by the same token, in 2000+ league minutes played this season, torres has scored 7 goals and assisted 8 = 15 direct contribution to goals. ba's 0 assists has been trumped by torres'. torres assisted all those goals from open play, so it's not bread n butter like taking corners, direct or indirect freekicks or what not!

No one is saying he is a Ronaldo or a Falcao but surely world better than fernandud.
Ronaldo and falcao are in this discussion because someone told us Scoring has the same weight as assists and I asked why is Gerrard and Podolski not rated as Van persie and Suarez or why is Iniesta and Ozil not rated as Ronaldo and Falcao

he's not better than fernando - he's not even better than lukaku!
he's just an average striker with hustling skills - the type that barks without barking.....

then your assertion that dzeko/chicharito are super subs is also a myth or lie. they score goals too when they start games. actually, they have performed better than starters than coming from the bench.

Pataki: Why would anyone mention Cech as a goalie? He is totally spent-out. Little wonder if he resigns after this season.

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this tool is better than de gea?

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Pataki: Definitely we are talking of Hart & Julio. De Gea is definitely not the best goalie in the league.

hart and julio? i laugh in birrin-kebbi!
de gea's beard alone is better than those 2 by a country mile. united fans don't know what they have and because the british would rarely blame their own, you think hart is impregnable. hart is animal shyte, same as cech or even begovic.

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dayokanu: Asking if you are stuupid is asking the obvious. To the same person that Ronaldos 28 league assists made sense to. LOL

what a tool - how did you deduce i was referring to his ronaldo stats when i said he is making sense? i said that even before that particular post. his stats might have been quoted wrongly but his point still stands.

falcao has not assisted much but he's scoring loads of goals. ronaldo too is doing the business in scoring and often assisting. ba is doing neither - not assisting at all and not scoring many as well.

dayokanu: Sorry Demba Ba has 3 league assists for newcastle

are you stüpid? i said if you use the continental standard, ba has no assists this season for either newcastle or chelsea.

dayokanu: So with this correction can you now tell what else Falcao and Ronaldo contribute other than goals scored

but demba ba has zero assists if you use the standard used in la liga to compute ba's stats on assist. ronaldo and falcao have assisted, ba hasn't in 2000+ league minutes - it's a crying shame!

dayokanu: Ronaldo 28 league assist and Falcao 8 league assist make sense to you?

Why am I not surprised. Everything would make sense to a turd. I am sure sleeping nakked in The Northpole makes sense to you

shut up your mouth - tell us how torres has copped 400+ league minutes for chelsea since ba's arrival or you cannot count again? oloshious fellow!

your punditry has gone to the dogs - chelsea has turned a potential goalpoacher into a goal-maker and yet you obnoxious charlatans are questioning his contribution. when torres scores, they blame him for scoring easy goals or tap-ins. when torres gets involved and assists goals, they blame him for not scoring those goals.

like i predicted months back, demba ba has flopped! if dzeko and chicharito can be contributing in spite of their limited stats, i see no reason why demba ba cannot do the same. lukaku is tearing the trees at west brom as we speak, watch him slip back to neurosis the moment he moves back to chelsea.

Jah Man: I can imagine how untrained you are.
What do you know about management?
So you that finished grammar school could only see one question of all the questions I asked? So ridiculous!
And look who is talking of investments here. How many of the so-called houses in the city are for rent? Are they not owner-occupied? The same show-off of I am a landlord in Lagos?

your IQ is lower than your shoe-size, what's with the epistle?

Some even build in places that warrant them to die instalmentally while shutling between Ikorodu,Mowe,Sango Otta to VI everyday for work. Why should I pass through that kinda suffering when I can save the money,rent a flat in a nearby mainland and use the balance to build for my hometown?

how does the above affect the price of fish? the discourse is about people who build expensive homes in the village while living in squalor in the city? if you cannot cope with the pace of the discourse, why don't you lie down for a while?

And thou rookie if you know the latest in real estate you can't be talking of rent as a reasonable reason for building in the city because the pay back period is discouraging with all the risk of tenants that cannot pay or destroying your praoperty.
My dad has like 3 of such buildings - one in the east which returns peanuts after we engaged a lwayer who takes part of the peanut to make the tenants to pay.Another in the north whose rent is so poor he decided to give one of the flats to members of the church at a ridiculous price and part for church activities. The one in Lagos was almost taken over by fraudsters when he relocated until a relation had to step in to safeguard it.
Real estate just like any other investment is subject to risk and is not a sure return.

sorry about the fact that your dad's tenants are unrepentant fraudsters and criminals who damage his properties. by the same token, there are upstanding nigerian citizens out there who would take care of the landlord's properties like it's theirs. they make prompt payments and clean the environment.

Finally learn to talk like someone that know what is home training even if you have to pretend. Stop insulting people in here.
Why is it difficult to answer any of those questions? I am sure they are hitting your conscience like boko bomb.
Sleep well!

there he goes again with the reply of a goat undergoing manual castration. boko bomb? are you sure you passed through the 4 walls of any school? you should learn how to articulate your points while focused on the topic of discourse - not crossing from pillar to post to confuse others. you have not advanced your points one jot in your epistle - all i see is the bellyaching of an appendicitis patient!

jackbauersballs: Lol is this a Joke?

Ronaldo has 28 assists in 26 league games this season. His Movement opens up space and occupies defenders.

Falcoa has 8 assists in 24 league games this season. Agreed this is not a mind blowing statistic, but 8 created goals from the man who is supposed to finish them is quite impressive.

this jack bauer dude is making so much sense - dayo is a complete halfwit. people were praising carrick's pass to chicharito last night against chelsea. the header was basic - chicharito knew cech was off his line so he looped the ball towards the net - the assist of that goal was well worthier than the goal itself.

dayokanu: Who are the top dogs in the EPL ? Gerrard, Podolski? or Suarez, Van persie and bale?
WHo are the top dogs in la Liga currently? Fabregas Iniesta Ozil or Messi, ROnaldo, falcao?

it depends how you watch your football - goals ain't everything otherwise no midfielder would win player of the tournaments, etc. ronaldo wasn't even the highest goal scorer in 06/07 when he won PFA player in england. other players like bale and parker have also won the award without scoring 59 goals per season.

dayokanu: Do you even follow football or you are a bot?

it's a bit rich coming from a tool who thought demba ba was at chelsea when they lost to qpr. i should be asking you the same question.

David Villa had 18 league goals in his debut season and was faring well until he copped the horrific leg break which defined his career since then

that's a flop by his high standard - what's the percentage of those 18 league goals in the total league goals scored by barcelona that season?

jackbauersballs: Remember David Villa was 1st choice striker for Spain.

he won't remember such - how has villa fared since his move to barca? when the system is not built around a striker, everything else fails. villa is wasted on the flank while messi gets the accolades. this is david villa we are taking about......the most accomplished striker in the last decade.

dayokanu: Thats what happens when people argue bar common sense.

Why is Suarez, van persie and bale the top dogs in EPL and not Gerrard, Rooney and Podolski who top assists charts

Why are La Liga folks shouting Messi Ronaldo and Falcao who top goal scorers chart and not Iniesta, ozil Faregas

what a tool - why were zidane, scholes, xavi, maradona, etc top dogs in the art of goal making when scoring isn't even their strongest point? a goal is as important as the pass that led to it. if the passes are not crisp, there would be no goals. replace xavi, iniesta and busquets with ramsey, coquelin and djemba djemba and let's see whether messi would be scoring 91 goals in a calendar year.

dayokanu: Only a tool would think assists carry more weight than goals scored

assists are as important as goals - this is modern football! a striker goes on a mazy run by dribbling 5 defenders then unleashes a shot that hits the post....the rebound falls at the feet of a team-mate who then taps in from 2 yards - you mean the scorer has done more than the goal assistant? are you silly?

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dayo, who did more there? the goal assistant or the scorer?

dayokanu: Does commonsense to tell you that Goals carry more weight than assists?

you must be a fool to think so as assists directly leads to goals. some assists are even more difficult to handle than scoring goals from tap-ins. in a nutshell, one does not carry weight than the other

Like I said earlier I know you lie a lot so I would try to corect your lies. Torres minutes to avoid confusion

i like making you look stüpid!

90 mins vs QPR
20mins vs Stoke
79 mins vs Arsenal
89mins vs Reading
48mins vs Newcastle
90mins vs Wigan
10mins vs City
4mins vs West brom

TOTAL 430mins total 7 hours 10mins.

How many goals scored 0

why do you misappropriate facts to suit your argument? as at the time chelsea played qpr, ba had not joined chelsea. chelsea lost to qpr on the 2nd of january, ba arrived on the 3rd. ba's first involvement at chelsea started against stoke when he got subbed in the 70th minute so recompute your stats again and get back to me.

it's funny each time you try to emphasise your useless facts with big fonts, they got pulled down and get pissed on!!!

jackbauersballs: Hernandez has 8 in 6 starts bruv....
We all Know Ba is a fantastic player on his day, but Chelsea have not played to his strengths...
Remember at the Magpies he was the focal point of a 4-3-3...

this is how to debate....
lalaboi, dayokanu, fat ibile and el guapo, please take note.....

Now he's basically a passenger...pretty much because apart from goals he has very little to offer a team...and the Chelsea setup currently doesn't favour his goal scoring at all

apart from goals, demba offers nothing.
if we go by the continental method of computing goal assists, demba ba has 0 assist this season and torres has 4. you only remember ba when he scores goals - he does nothing apart from goalscoring. chelsea's current system does not favour strikers like him. you can bet ba would have scored 4-8 goals for newcastle in the same period he has scored only 2 for chelsea.

so let's ask again - are the strikers the problem or the system?

Commissioner for the Environment, Mr Tunji Bello had said that some of the conditions that might warrant re-opening of the market include: complete removal of all illegal structures and attached structures built along canal paths and that traders must be confined to the main markets.

“Under no condition must they trade or solicit for customers on the main road, they must remove all shop attachments built round the market/canals, remove all derelict and abandoned vehicles parked within the market as far as the expressway, remediate all forms of degradation on the roads and market area, sort out waste management issues with LAWMA as they cannot continue to dump into the canals, ensure total cleaning of the entire market and adjoining streets which they have degraded, among others"

i expect more trouble then seeing that illegal structures would be demolished.

lalaboi: 1. if you want to compare Ba and Torres, then at least do so within the same time frame. Jan 2013 till date. Based on performances torress losses, based on goals, he still looses, what are you defending?

even if we base it on their performances since ba arrived, torres still wins.

torres - 0 goals + 3 assists in 342 league mins
demba - 2 goals + 0 assists in 389 league mins

2. 7goals 8assists in how many appearance? then its beans. .

i work with league mins. appearances is not an accurate stat to judge the contribution of a striker. a striker that spent 90 mins on the pitch and the one that spent 30 secs spent on the pitch both register as 1 appearance.

3. you posted assist stats being greater, followiing your logic, until Ba spends the same amount of time at chelsea as torres for those assists and goals then your stat is irrelevant as well.

then you are a tool because past records in the english league show that ba has never recorded more than 5 league assists in one season even in the clubs where he performed.

torres' number of assists this season = total number of assists demba ba has copped in his entire career in the premier league.

armyofone: can be misplaced priority. heard of some living in a very bad area of NY while they have big mansion in their villages for the few moons christmas visit
why not enjoy a nice home everyday, instead of one in the village you hardly visit.

can you imagine? living in the ghetto in the city and having a mansion in the village - misplacement of priorities. i think africans especially nigerians are guilty of this because of their showmanship! they want to show villagers they have "arrived".

arrant nonsense!

Jah Man: Please can you gracefully answer these questions for me sir;
1. What is the name of your village?
2. When last did you visit your village?
3. Do your dad or yourself have a small house where you can pass the night there?
4. Do you travel often for festivities to your village?
5. We do not have decent hotels in my town for me to lodge whenever I have reason to travel there. Do you please know of any real estate coy that provides adhoc/make-shift houses for hire in a matter of days?
6. Please can you remind me the true meaning of mismanagement and also confirm if it can also be applicable for an asset in the city?
7. Do you/or your dad have a house in the city or are you working towards completing one?

i do not see the relevance of these questions to the topic of discussion. what has the name of my village gotta do with management or lack of management? how did most of you lots even complete secondary school education?

Why are you so bitter about how another person wants to spend his money? The same money some spend every year visiting foreign countries is what another used to build a house in one part of Nigeria and you turn around and call him a fool?
A colleague once told me how foolish I was in erecting a nice house in my place. But he was yet to complete his own in Lagos. I might even come back and build alongside with him there if I tarry in Lagos.

that you have completed your house means nothing - look at the intelligence of a graduate. is it about completion or who would get returns from his house if he decides to sell at anytime? you should take one or two courses in management!!! you have completed a house in the village - congratulations, you have done something similar to putting a man on the moon.

Please people should mind their business. Money is money, if you cannot insult the one that uses his own on parties, women,'janding', changing cars; then stop blaming the 'Aku lue unos'.
Thank you.

people should mind their business?
i can bet those are the exact words of the proponents of gay marriage. if we all mind our business the world would be chaotic. let's allow pröstitutes to roam freely then after all they use their bodies not yours. fathers who räpe their daughters should also be spared after all na him own pikin him räpe. now you see how your idea of live and let live sounds?

elampiro: I think Julio Ceasar, Cecz and Hart are far better than De Gea. They cause less panic to their defenders. There also this guy at Newcastle and a certain man at Totteham. Though the Totteham man is old now and as a result not so great this season.

hart, cech, cesar are better than de gea? even a rat would laugh at this statement, do you have any empirical evidence to back this claim or the same old myths of the british media and popular conjectures?

De Gea is a keeper for the future. But United is a big club, we should always have an experienced keeper. We had to get Van Dan Sar at his old age from Fulham at a time everyone thought he was past his prime. Once he got to a big club, he experienced counted so much. If QPR survived relegation, they owe it to Julio Ceasar and Harry Redknap. Ceasar does the work of defenders and a goalkeeper. They way he picks set pieces in the air before they drop is akin to the way Enyeama made them look simple in the nations cup. He his defence work less while rendering strikers redundant because he moves far to take balls in flight. He alone got result against City and frustrate Chelsea until Phillip went forward to score. Unlike Ceasar, it is panic when De Gea faces aerial balls with strikers in our box.

if we win the premier league at a canter then de gea would get his deserved accolades....,some of his saves this season has turned potential losses into draws or potential draws into wins. he was the reason we drew at white hart lane after making 3 unbelievable saves that should have been goals. i can count so many of his antecedents but it would be a waste of bandwidth......

Don't you guys see how everyone pack full the 18 box whenever we concede set pieces. You see three payers inside the goal. United used to hardly concede from corner kicks, even when Kucsacks was in goal. Now, when every gets to protect De Gea, the cleared ball into play falls straight to opponents, and the pressure immediately returns. Without the heavy protection De Gea would concedes so much from set pieces as we saw all through last year.

that was exactly the way opponents were popping shots at him last season when the media reported he's weak at saving long distance shots - when the media say it, fools believe it and they try it. i don't even think he's weak aerially - we have conceded the same amount of goals per game from aerial assault pre-de gea and post de-gea!

Now, RVP, Rooney, Young, Welbeck, Valencia had to be in the box because Evra, Rafael, Carrick had to protect the spaces on sides inner goal post. How many times have there being goal line clearance where De Gea didn't even see the balls.

so before the signing of de gea, we never had players in the box defending corners? ronaldo used to defend corners when van der sar was here. you are just reeling out conjectures. de gea has saved united far more than he's cost us. none of the 5 goals he conceded in the last 4 cup competitions can be blamed on him.

We all know he has potentials, but he is costing us now but causing so much panic when crosses fly into our 18 yard box.
My sincere opinion.

panic for you, not for staunch united fans.......
isn't this your cesar that has the safest pair of hands in the league?

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Dreamflyin: if u ar Igbo, den u ar a huge disgrace 2 ur kinsman. He who wears d shoe knws where it pinches.

i would put your brain power slightly below that of a culex mosquito!
what has tribe gotta do with management or mismanagement - to the people who built these houses and stay there often, kudos to them! to the ones who built these expensive houses and leave them empty then it's nothing but gross mismanagement! you must be a semi-illiterate.

[quote author=prince_onx]Poverty is a real sickness!
Most of those complaining about building mansion in the village and none in the city are broke a55 folks! If you have money, you can build a castle in the village and the same in the city without even thinking twice! War or no war![/quote]always add a bit of logic and common sense to your comments - it's not about money or poverty. it's about management or mismanagement. that dangote can buy one million bugatti does not mean he should. if he doesn't need it, why should he? that's just gross mismanagement!

euromilion: Totally agreed,I've wanted to sell my house in d village,but no reasonable offer yet.wat a regret am I in,only if I can turn d hand of d time.

give it to your igwe and collect a chieftaincy title.
no one would buy it unless you are willing to sell it at a loss - which then defeats the whole purpose. i am not building any expensive house in a place where i won't stay now or even in retirement. it's just mismanagement!

lalaboi: Then you shoulda said so from the start!. . manipulating stats that suit you again eh? its your specialy, not surprised.

you are a tool - pay attention and stop using your slow logic process to debate with me.

Before it was "Torres has not assisted a single goal for chelsea" and yet claiming Torress had 8 assists despite one of those assists being against brentford. You see your life?

i think you need to go to specsavers - i said ba has not assisted a league goal for chelsea. he's scored 2 miserable goals against bottom teams since his arrival. torres on the other hand has scored goals and assisted them for chelsea. 7 goals + 8 assists is not beans.

who assisted a goal against brentford? ba or torres?
it's difficult to follow your argument when you keep missing your point like a broken pencil. has ba assisted any goal in the premier league for chelsea?

Ba is a striker! and his goals at Newcastle + CHelsea is greater than Torress. Strikers are known for their goals. not some yeye assist. . .
Try again! tell us something new mr cutback

that is the point!
ba was amazing for newcastle and useless for chelsea......according to you also, torres is useless for chelsea. the only reason ba's goals are higher is because of his contribution at newcastle not chelsea. until torres spends half-a-season at newcastle, the stats you reeled out is useless and irrelevant!

StarBoard: If de Gea is the best keeper in the EPl, then the standard of goalkeeping is wack.
Dude still makes mistakes too many for my liking to go crazy over him.

why not tell us the best goalie in the league instead of going on a merry-go-round? mention your best goalie.....

nikkypearl: The cost of building in d village is cheaper.A man who has 28million naira can only go as far as getting a plot of land nd mayb start the foundation in Lagos,but with dat same amount,1can. Build a dream house in the village nd btw,it's mostly common among the Igbo,av done up 2 18 different designs 4Igbo men in the last 3years nd dey always like it in their village!I luv dat idea sha!after all d yorubas says"Ile la boro simi oko"

and if war breaks out in the village? i hope you are aware there were nice houses in odi village too when obsanjo's troops razed it down.......

home is where you make it - all these village things are nonsense. how many times do the present generation even visit their villages? do they even know their way there?

lalaboi: Ba assisted vs Brentford. Fact! tell us something else.
His set plays where direct free kick that resulted in goals!

brentford is a premier league team? who reckons with domestic competitions? who keeps stats for it? i am more concerned about the premier league where every team faces the same pool of opponents in one season not yeye competitions like fa cup where chelsea faced brentford and united faced fulham and west ham!

try again - what is ba's number of goal assists in the league for chelsea and newcastle combined?

lalaboi: I like the way you twist stats to favour you. You keep on shouting Torres 8 assist (4league ). I ask you again, in how many games? now compare that to Ba then shut the hell up!

the number of games is irrelevant cos ba hasn't assisted a goal yet for chelsea. even if we add ba's contribution @ newcastle where he took set plays, he's only assisted 4 league goals, torres has 8. where's the comparison?

A Fact for you! Ba has scored more goals in 2013 for chelsea than Torress. Go choke on that Transversite's Banana. its waiting for you.
Torres in a Failure! Ba cannot be judged yet!

i wouldn't take that stat seriously - 75% of those goals were against a relegation team(southampton). demba ba has only scored against 2 opponents since he joined chelsea almost 2 months ago. that's pathetic!

lalaboi: Bro, You know when someone is insignificant and they wanna feel special on the web and do all them kinda tricks like selling their account to get more followers. . . Coogar is that typa person

you are an unrepentant sod!
how do people sell their accounts on twitter? you are such a razz human being - accounts cannot be sold on twitter. when you have followers, it's because people like your tweets or you have a connection of friends who clamoured for some other friends to follow you. stüpid wankër, why don't you sell your account and see whether your idiotic theory holds truth!

selling accounts to marketers? if there's any one more rëtarded than you are on the internet, i would pay you £10,000.

POLICE CAP: I've observed that most persons prefer to build well furnished mansions in their villages which latter begins to look like an abandoned project because you only find people in them during festive periods. And the funny thing here is that most of these persons live in rented apartment in the city (where they spend most of their time)

In my own opinion, I would suggest they build just a simple house with simple furnishing in the village.... Then own even if its a hut to call their own in the city.

I stil wish for reasons why they do this.....

it's almost a lack of common sense......
why build such an expensive house in the village where the properties won't appreciate as much as the ones built in the cities. the funniest thing is these people spend an equivalent of 20 days in those houses in one calendar year - such a waste of money and illogical reasoning.

lalaboi: Let me guess, Your fake electronic followers on twitter?

coogar on twitter? your imagination must be playing tricks on you. better find a mental home to sort your mid-life crisis!

Torres has underperformed for how long now? Has Ba had the luxury of having to play Chelsea main striker for10 consecutive games? Tell me Ba wouldnt smash the current number of goals Torres has coped if he had the luxury on the number of games. I refuse to judge Ba until he's played the same amount of games in a blue shirt than torress, i wont expect him to be consistent because he's been rotated.

what a troglodyte!
so we must blame rotation for ba's lack of goals now? chicharito and dzeko wouldn't have their career if they had to play 10 consecutive games before firing. rotation brings out the best of players not worsen them. they are well-rested and there's a healthy competition involved to bring out the best in them. you now know why people think you are a dingbat! you just go with whatever the media say and trumpet it like a homoerotic cünt! use your logic for once and stop ranting!

Ba nor be machine. The only consistent nigga with bad performances here is Torres no lie. Just cos everyone jumps on Torres case when he plays badly doesnt mean we would do the same to Ba who's had better performances than Torress in 2013 alone. You want equal judgement, well i say until Ba gets that luxury, he will be treated differently

answer this question and let's put a line under this matter.
who has performed better? chelsea's demba vs newcastle's demba ba?

jackbauersballs: I must say, I have to agree with Coogar on this one.

Even if Jesus came down to wear the number 9 shirt for us, he would never succeed with the kind of players we have.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to play a lone striker in a Winger-less system and expect him to bag them for fun.

Torres and Ba have been forced to play as False nine's very similar to Messi at Barca, unfortunately they both lack the movement of the great Argentine (Possibly because he is a converted winger?)

Agreed, Torres has been pants since he moved. But what excuse do we have for Ba?

there's no excuse, my brother!
the system has sucked their striking qualities away from them. demba ba is the classic example that no striker would work at chelsea until you clone drogba(jam-body specialist). with no natural wingers in the team, it's difficult for strikers to thrive - they are more or less false-9s cos they are primarily expected to hold the play and find the runners with a through pass. look at ba's position when ramirez scored his goal last night.......

lalaboi: Odenna,

Ba at newcastle took penalties, Took Freekicks. . . He was the main guy in that department! obviously he would score more goals that way. At cheslea, he just the striker! only responsibilty to score goals like he did against highly Brom, and link up plays like he did against your team leading to the goals. . .Thats what FBS meant by Directly involved in the goals, you have to be the main assister in that case, we have seen Torres in numerous occassions such as that and the end result was either loosing the ball or doing a "cut back" or better still, being bullied off it.

you are a dolt!
so which of these set-plays is torres taking at chelsea that you fools expect him to have the same scoring prowess like his counterparts elsewhere. you are making excuses for demba ba, that excuse does not apply to torres too or have you traded your horse sense for a plate of pepper soup? if torres was taking all the set-plays too, his stats would match most of his rivals in the other teams......

facts remain demba ba has not assisted any goal for chelsea in the league! not one single assist and torres has made 8 of them from open play. if he takes set play, his number would be nearing 20 at the very least. what applies to demba also applies to torres. if you agree torres has flopped then ba has also flopped. if you agree ba hasn't flopped then torres hasn't flopped.