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Ibime: Its good to differentiate effectiveness from skill.

Henry is effective and tactically flexible because he has a good physical quality called speed.

The reason Valencia fits better into Utd's 4-4-2 than Hazard would is because he has immense physicality, can run flank up and down, and gives no headache to a manager tactically, as he will handle right wing both offensive and defensive, even attack from right-back if he has to. Ashley Cole never ever crossed the half-way line against Valencia and that tells me more of his effectiveness than a thousand step-overs. United were always able to pin Chelsea left-flank in their half, which allowed United to play most of the footie in Chelsea half. . . all thanks to Valencia. This is something a million tricks and flicks from Hazard could never do. . . give your team the TACTICAL ADVANTAGE.

The reason I would always prefer Nani to Hazard even in a 4-3-3 is the same. Nani has the skill, but also the physicallity to handle to whole wing by himself, offensively and defensively. He gives you the option to play tippy-tappy, swift counter-attack or cagey defensive football. Hazard cannot meet at least one and a half of these criteria. Whether you want to play your 4-3-3 as a 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1, Nani would always give a coach more tactical options than Hazard.

nateevs: Let's not get carried away. I didn't say less skillful players are not effective.
Rather, "the most" effective players in any era are/were the most skillful.

Ibime: Na Lewandowski una dey celebrate?

Must be the start of the downfall of United when you rely on slightly-above-average players like Lewandowski.

I'd rather take me chance on Welbeck who has a lot more upside than Lewandowski who can so never get any better, this season will prolly be the pinnacle of his career.

Pace, power, passing, skill and movement are all on Welbeck's side. The only ingredient missing is finishing which may come with time, and even if it doesnt, he's still a good tactical option.

Lewandwoski on the other hand is one-paced, slightly stiff. . . just slightly worse player than Roman Pavyluchenko.

nateevs: Well still very subjective.
331 goals and 171 assists V 228 goals and 71 assists say something different.

nateevs: Unfair comparison.
More like Drogba/Henry.

nateevs: I wonder why so many people think that skillful, technical and flashy WILL EQUAL not effective.
I really do not know where it comes from.

The most effective footballers in world football are/were, apparently, the most skillful in their respective eras.

Bontee: During euro 2008 casilas, senna, xavi, iniesta, silva, torres and villa contributed alot to spain in winning that competition. During the worldcup casilas, villa, fabregas, navas,iniesta and xavi contributed to them winning that competition also. In both competition the only barcelona players there would be xavi and iniesta as fabregas and villa would join the team after that. It is a team work effort and not about one or two players, they won two friendlies without these players so they are capable of winning trophies without them.

Bontee: Yaya toure played with the same xavi and iniesta so what is the point again? So if busquets becomes injured then there is no need for javi, alonso, valero or bruno to partner xavi and iniesta as they can just both go and warm the bench right?. Is there any alarm in going with the other spanish players or did they not win two friendly matches comfortably without the barca players and no complain from the coach. The same coach complained about the style of play when these same barca players came back to the spanish team in the friendly against china. Every dam player contributes something to the team and no one is more important than the others or too big not to sit on the bench.

Where did i say spain will not play tiki taka? i said the players to be used in the first team should not always be favored towards barca and they should not go full tiki taka because some of those players play with a different style in their various clubs. The same upstarts won two friendly matches comfortably while the main team could not beat china easily. I am still asking you the question that, did this spanish team without the barca players play tiki taka to win the first two friendly matches?.

Playing these three players is why Spain plays so slow and not so inspiring at the worldcup where they were winning one zero.
This is what you asked for http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/06/06/euro-2012-preview-spain/

You should keep it civil or stop the discussion if you cannot respect people having a different opinion from yours. I did not say silva and mata will replace the barca midfield, i said they should both be considered before pedro and fabregas in the first team except when spain wants to stretch the play with pedro ( i prefer him to navas ). If barca goes with two holding midfielder then i would prefer fabregas to xavi in the first team for his better forward play contribution than xavi.

chic2pimp: Drop Xavi, the Greatest Central Midfielder of the last 30 years?.......And who should start in his place, Fabregas?

Also drop Busquets, the most tactically astute Defensive Midfielder in the world?....and as I asked before who should start in his place, Alonso?

I'm not sure you watch spain frequently bar the odd friendly match cuz if you did you'll know the Barca midfield trident of Xavi,Iniesta and Busquets are INDISPENSABLE

dayokanu: In the land of the blind the one eyed is king.

Ashley Young wont play U21 for any self respecting national team

afrodoc: my summary of the two players' abilties is thus;
1)kagawa is a skillful,pacy attacking midfielder who is able to play on the wings when needed
2)hazard is a skillful,pacy winger who is able to play more centrally when needed
kagawa is a midfielder first and a winger second while for hazard its d other way round.its obvious we need kagawa more,thats why i hv been in support of this deal from d start.i hav watched lots of dortmund matches dis past 2 seasons n he has been gr8.

Fhemmmy: Yes, you leave it on the table, but why not trash it with your feet, after all, it is yours to be used, remember, you paid for it

Fhemmmy: Yes, the offer their services, You pay for it and enjoy their services, however, when you go to McDonald's and buy a burger, you eat and enjoy it, how come you nicely put the wrapper into the bin, and not put it on the floor and tramp on it as much as you want, cos you bought it and could do whatever you want with it?

RuuDie: I admit, I am sucker for the dangerous sounding names. . . .but more importantly, I'd give anything never to see a certain Danny Welbeck kick a ball - be it tennis, volley or huuman - for Manchester United, ever again!

Believe me, I'll fast, pray and eventually drink to a stupor if this were to come to pass!

Lenny5000: You dont USE your driver, maid bar tender... you made use of the word USE hence by response. Now that you have elaborated more, I understand you better. Yeap we have a very low crime rate.. cos weed makes my people relax..lol (Just kidding)
Bless

Lenny5000: should your fellow humans be used? If so what makes them humans like you then?

About Marijuana you might want to ask the US and even Nigerian government what is wrong with smoking marijuana since we are talking about Government and what is lawful.

PS: I don't condemn people who do these cos Marijuana is like candy here and not a big deal
Bless

RuuDie: i swear if this is true. . .i'll empty my bank account and buy a jersey for every single userID on the UTD fan thread

Lenny5000: Chi Dear,
do we humans actually need anyone to define what murder is to us? Aint we living in a world were they are trying to wipe away the knowledge of a Creator (GOD) out? even when his presence is everywhere? Man is generally wicked and his heart is michivious... Anyway here in Holland where I reside it is lawful to 1.PROSTITUTE 2.SMOKE MARIJUANA 3.COMMIT EUTHANASIA am I suppose to accept this because it is lawful?

jmoore: Which baby? I thought you said there is no human being in the womb. Is a baby not human? Let the world watch, only the fools will clap for you!!

jmoore: How many have you aborted? Trying to exonerate yourself from murder.

jmoore: Is bacteria a human being? That I also killed a chicken to eat should be called murder too?

when one starts advocating for abortion common sense becomes scarce

chuckdee4: I hope so, they've always failed to deliver even when they had greats such as Rui Costa and Figo.
Personally i want anyone asides the usual suspects (Spain, Italy, Germany and Italy) to win it

jmoore: life starts at conception.Go and learn
SMH, you need serious help

mbulela: Pls throw more light on this.

Bontee: I don't see how busquets is the most important player in the team when we have alonso, jarvi, beno, valero and many countless defensive midfilders that can play in that position. Every player in a team is dispensable and i see no reason also why pique must play, jarvi, ramos, alonso, albiol and other spanish defenders can will in there in central defense. Busquets that you praise so much might be a flop in other teams with different pattern of play from barcelona.

Even fitting these players into the team does not mean that they have to play tiki taka as the other players do not play tiki taka in their own clubs. There is a difference between barcelona playing tiki taka everyday and bringing players with different footballing style into the Spanish team and try to shove tiki taka down their throat. They have to go back to aragones time as that was the best team they ever had because they won the worldcup through luck and if they follow full tiki taka then count them out of this trophy.

If they cannot play any other way then those players should sit on the bench and allow the others to play a different hybrid style. Iniesta can fit into any style, so xavi should sit on the bence while busquets should adapt also or go the same route. The same zonal marking which you have been referencing made it clear that you cannot have alonso, busquets and xavi in the same team because they will be behind the ball always. You can only do that if you stretch the wings but spain is not doing that well right now and they have to also fit in other non barca players so the hybrid system is the best.

No one is saying spain will not play tiki taka but when you have these those three players in the team then they become too slow and the coach complained about it in their last friendly. You still have not answered me when i asked that what style of play did the same spainish team used during their first two friendly matches where the won 2-0 and 4-1 without any of these barca players?. It is nice having this discussion with you but you obviously are biased towards barca and the only way they can play full tiki taka is to include all the barca players in the first eleven. Anything short of that is for them to use the hybrid system and it is presently the norm because players like silva, mata and carzola deserve to be in the first eleven before fabregas and pedro. Xavi, pique and busquets are dispensable and the only person that should not be dropped is iniesta because he is totally different.

jmoore: I am talking about 3-5 years old kids. Let the parents kill them since they can no longer afford to meet their basic needs?

afrodoc: i am not saying he is exceptional there or dt he is as good there as when he is on wing but he is able to play there when push comes to shove.[b]talking about ashley young he has been one of d England national team's best players in d last 1 year playing primarily from dt position.[/b]and to clarify issues when i said centrally i didn't mean central midfield,i meant in d role just behind d striker

durobraham: And all u dudes who r specialists in taking advantage of vulnerable single moms, God is watching U.#Peace!

I personally am pro-life and would never advocate abortion to any of my loved ones. I would not pay for one (unless life was at stake) and I honestly would find it hard to forgive my kids if they were directly involved with one although I accept that it is their decision.

Other things:
-Maybe you won't touch her with a 10 ft pole, but someone else will. There are enough stepfathers/stepmothers out there aren't there so it's not like they are like unicorn crap.

-the importance of a traditional nuclear family is overemphasised on here in my opinion. It depends on the individual. Some people are just hardened. I'm serving in a school at the moment , how many parents have been called in in the time I've been there who are utterly powerless to do anything with their kids, both fathers or mothers. You don't hve any dodgy relatives? Did they not grow up in the same house as your good relatives? Did roger Clinton not grow up with Bill? Did my drug addict cousin, not grow up in the same house as his 4 first class getting sisters. Did he not also spend his secondary school days with me and my own sister, who are not addicts?

I'm sure there are other things but I've forgotten them. Good debate.

1025: @coogar,
u are the son of a douchebag.
@coogar,
you are the son of a troglodyte. pls in case i say as above in future, just know that i mean you are the son of troglodyte or douchebag.

if the english fa is not corrupt and partial, at least 10 premier league trophies will be withdrawn from that fraudulent club and noisy neighbours. hey, balotteli is coming behind u. the other time i was discussing with a man u fan and i jokingly told him that balotteli was behind him, he fainted and was in the hospital for 2 days pls faint now.