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onila:

the reverse is the case!
men mostly move on after the breakup(most men have plan b and plan c in the pipeline before ditching plan a).

dayokanu: ^^ So the Levantes, Mainz, Lecce etc who sack their coaches

Or Valencia, Schalke and Juventus who sack their coaches give them unlimited funds to compete?

The Blackburns, Wolves, Sunderlands who sack their coaches give them billions to spend?

I still maintain Wenger etc in other leagues would have been sacked way back That fact was alluded to by his captain Fabregas

all the clubs you mentioned don't make as much money as arsenal and they don't operate with the same budget as arsenal.
the board is happy with what arsene wenger is doing so who would sack him?

with blackburn, wolves and sunderland, the board is not happy with the managers. they don't win anything, they don't make any money
arsenal are the 4th richest team in europe - the board is very happy with that and they know only wenger could have pulled out such numbers with the meanest of budget.

chukham: Pals, dis is abt my frnd whose wife is pregnant 4 another man months after thier wedding. Pls help advice on what he should do. Thanks.

divorce straight. . . .go to her parents' house and tongue-lash them for failing to raise their daughter the proper way.
i ain't raising any bastard in my household.

dayokanu: The golden question still remains how come Arsene Wenger and David Moyes havent been sacked in 7yr and 10yrs of trophylessness so whats the pressure?Tell us any other league where a manager has held a job that long while remaining trophyless

who would sack wenger and david moyes? they operate on a shoe-string budget and yet they still punch above their weights every season thus making money for their chairmen. wenger has built dynasties in the past. he enjoyed tremendous success, 2 league titles in 3 seasons at a point. he won several number of fa cups as well when the league was a level playing field. in 2003, abramovic changed the whole scenery with vast amount of money.

wenger's chairman must know it's not humanly possible for arsenal to compete with chelsea/man utd. now, there's city and tottenham in the frame which means more misery heaped on wenger but still he does enough to get into the champions league. what wenger makes for arsenal finishing in the top four is much more than what league leaders get in some parts of europe. chairmen are only bothered about finances, trophies are for bragging rights amongst the fans.

david moyes would stay more than 30 yrs at everton. the only season everton spent more than £20m in a transfer window was the season after they had sold rooney to man utd. in the other seasons, everton has never spent more than £20m in a season. so what do you expect from him? the champions league? to whom much is given, so much is even expected. comparing this to villas-boas, scolari, mourinho, etc is a classic brainfart!

chamotex: How long is Kompany out for? I hope Savic plays
How can Mancini sell Onuoha and purchased Savic? Smh

I'm not sure they can lose to Chelsea at home - Im hoping for a draw at best.
It's the Arses I'm hoping will do us a favour - but we know u cant bet your house on that.
Either way it will be an interesting race - Manchester will be hot come May.

Fredy Guarin went to Inter in January - that would have been a good signing.

mancini is an idiot. he has an abundance of midfielders and strikers but he failed to buy quality defenders.
city have no quality replacements for their centre-halves. once kompany is out, they look very ordinary.

united without rio/vidic would manage with evans, smalling, jones, carrick and berbatov.
chelsea have found form again like they always do at this time of the season. chelsea might win all their remaining games. they cancelled out a 15-point deficit on us last season. they know what it takes to chase and i expect them to finish in the top 4 from now on. i don't think the premier league would ever come to london again.

chamotex: The league is not over yet - I feel there will be more twists and turns. I don't think we would win all our games before the Citeh one.
But we are in a much better position than we were 2/3 weeks ago.

i don't expect us to win all our games before the city game but city won't win theirs too. without vincent kompany, they are very ordinary.
they still have to go to the emirates and they host chelsea on wednesday. they could drop 6 points easily in those games. by the time we play city, we could be7 points clear.

I can understand Starboards frustration though.
After last weeks CL final, we expected to build from that.
I didn't expect us to win it again to be honest after seeing the way Barca improved their squad but I was almost certain we would get to the late stages.

all fergie should have done was bring in 2 central midfielders of the highest quality. sneijder and hamsik would have taken us a long way in europe.

It's Fergie's fault for failing to add to the squad where necessary and the bloody team selection cost us so many times.
To me personally, the league is a priority, that's the marathon (survival of the fittest). The league and any other trophy with CL the main one.

i want to win the league this season and i am sure that is on fergie's mind as well. the fact that it's a chase between him and man city makes him hungrier.
if we were dragging this with chelsea or tottenham, we might not have been this serious. this is our best season in the league as far as accrued points are concerned, it's baffling to think we could finish with more than 90 points this season which is unprecedented in our history.

chamotex: I think most people expect Man City to win it easily this season.

everyone but united fans expected city to run with it. if city have fergie as their manager, they should be 8 points ahead by now.

It's bad but not a disaster - we failed to qualify in 05/06 when we were even bottom of the table, the following season we got to the semis, the season after we won it.

thank you!

One bad season in Europe out of the last six is not a disaster.

united have the best record in europe. they have won most games, scored more goals.
they even have the longest unbeaten record in the competition and yes english league is rubbish.

Winning the EPL is not an easy feat too especially with Man City(our bitter rival) being our main contender with all the money they've spent recently.
I can even say this might even be the biggest achievement if we win the league this season with the 'shitty' squad we have coupled with the emergence of Man City as a powerhouse.

barcelona would not win the premier league with their paper thin squad, the lack of winter break and the physical nature of the games.
guardiola using only one team formation throughout in a 38-game season won't work in the premier league where a team must adapt to different formations to beat their rivals. winning the premier league is biggest feat in europe.

StarBoard: So at a club like United's you're saying a bad season in Europe is not a disaster?
I'm trying to get you.
If we have been disgraced by other teams in Europe,it's not a bad season by you.
Especially when we get doctored and lectured by Europe's lowly sides?

3 champions league finals in the last 4 seasons is not a disaster. if it is, what should we then call real madrid's inability to play in a final for 10 years. what about bayern's decade of fruitlessness or barcelona's long period in the wilderness when they were not reckoned with until rijkaard changed things around. dominance in the football world is cyclical - between 3-4 yrs(maximum).

only teams with financial doping or a strong academy system can continue to maintain dominance in europe. united's team that dominated from 2007-2011 has grown older. the debt means we can no longer afford the type of players madrid/barcelona can get so one should expect a decline in the performance as rio, vidic, van der sar, scholes, giggs are no longer what they used to be - their replacement are also one or 2 levels below the old dogs.

we are now in the 05/06 season all over again. waiting for rafael, fabio, jones, smalling, cleverley, anderson, etc to mature and dominate europe in the next couple of years.

Winning the League will just paper over the cracks.Simple.We've grown beyond the stage of just relying on winning the league and concluding the season was a success.
As for the local champion thing,we are in danger of sliping into that mode.A case can be made for that to be tagged on us judging from our season.
Or what do you think?

winning the league is the pinnacle of achievement. some fans would take that even more than the european champions league. if you can do the 2, it's all good.
you think liverpool are happy where they are? go to rawk and see raw frustration their fans go through. they want the league title more than anything else.
the premier league is the toughest league to win. any team that wins it must have earned the rights to do so and yes the local champion thingy is just a farce.
chelsea that currently lie in the 5th position is still in europe so how are united a local champion? if chelsea win the champions league or get to the final, would united still be a local champion?

in another news, pep guardiola wants rafael/fabio in barcelona.

[quote author=Mr_TA]Alot was going on behind the scenes way before that happened. The senior players had the ear of Roman. Once that happened AVB was a dead man walking. All this would have happened with or without the influence of the media. Its pretty obvious Roman is very cut throat. The media didnt want Jose to lose his job they loved Jose. Same with Carlo. With AVB he made his own bed with the senior players at the club but he didnt stand a chance once those guys had direct access to Roman. Roman does what he wants regardless of what anyone thinks.[/quote]their opinion of jose was pretty much divided in 2007. when the results weren't going jose's way, they stuck the dagger.
they forced jose to say some certain players were class a eggs and class c eggs. meaning - roman acquired mediocre players instead of world class players.

chamotex: I am not talking about Europe here, everyone knows we've been completely useless and utterly rubbish in Europe this season, no question about that.
That's why I highlighted the league and that's what I'm talking about.
I don't see how retaining a title will not be an achievement. We are out of Europe cos we've been disgraced by mostly every team, should we pack up the season then and hand the title to Man City because of that?

I also disagree with your "local champion mentality" quote.
One bad season in Europe is not a disaster, c'mon man. We've been atrocious this season no doubt but I wont call 3 CL final in 4 years 'local champion mentality'.

no one gave united any chance at the start of the season with that midfield.
i remember saying we would walk the league but a european title is unachievable with the number of injuries and how fergie treated the group games with disdain.
thankfully, the disgrace would itch fergie's hands to buy eden hazard or any other high scoring central midfielder.

[quote author=Mr_TA]I think you are definitely over-egging the importance of the media in the hiring and sacking of managers.

Im not convinced the media played any major role in the sackings of any of Chelsea's sacked managers.[/quote]the media certainly did.
they can make and unmake, make or mar!!!

who asked villas-boas the question that made him answer he didn't need the support of his players??
you think those questions are coincidental or deliberate? it's worse when the manager is foreign - they would put horrible questions you would answer awkwardly and by the time they put it on the news, the manager would look clueless!

Krayola: I never on this thread said the EPL is wack. I said that I think media pressure in England is not any more stressful on coaches than it is in any other league, and that I do not buy into the idea that media pressure was a major factor in their (coaches) sackings. Now I'm not saying that the EPL is not wack, I'm just saying that I never, on this thread, said that it is.

it is more stressful in england than anywhere else. england is where the money is - not spain and definitely not italy or germany.
the amount of money bandied around in the premier league is the singular reason there's a huge pressure on club managers to deliver for their chairmen.
failing that, there's a huge axe hanging over their heads and it's the media that trigger revolt amongst the fans - the fans would then turn against the club owners or the club manager and there would be a shake-up.

epl is wack? choke on that!
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/17/article-0-1237C99C000005DC-158_634x502.jpg

Most of the time coaches are sacked because they fail to meet the expectations of their employers.

and the employers are forced to sack after reading the news or listening to sky on how pathetic the club is performing.
sky would put a poll and people would vote. sky would stick microphones in the mouths of the fans whose opinions are beamed live to the rest of the world.
of course, the chairmen's hands are forced to do something. if they lose the trust of their fans, the attendance would drop and no money would be made.

TBH I think when a team is unsuccessful it isn't always on the coaches. Especially when we're just talking short periods. For example I don't think Chelsea's recent form is necessarily because Di Matteo is a better coach than AVB, and if they do go on to secure third place and even win the champions league, I probably still won't think Di Matteo is a better coach than AVB. Now Di Matteo may be a better coach, just saying I won't say that based on what happened over one quarter of a season. That's just me though I can't speak for anyone else.

good point!

Scolari was fired in his first season, I think, after a poor run of form. I thought it was a very hasty decision but no be me get club. Ancelotti was fired the season after winning a domestic double. Mourinho came and won in his first season as well, and took Chelsea further than they have ever been in the CL. Ranieri didn't do much at Chelsea, but I don't think he had a solid CV and he still hasn't done anything special at any other club in any other league since. Juande Ramos is one that I would call a flop because that's exactly what he was. And when you mention CL let's not forget that the holy messiah on EPL coaches, Ferguson, has won only 3 European cups in his over 2 decade career.
I think your assessment of these foreign coaches is harsh. . . . I think some of them did pretty darn well tbh.

sheer ignorance.

ancelotti was fired because he lost to man utd in last season's champions league quarter-final with a team many thought was stronger than man utd.
he lost the league to man utd as well and that's after spending almost £100m to acquire torres, luiz and ramirez. he must have promised roman abramovic to deliver and he failed his promise.

mourinho did not take chelsea further than where ranieri left them.
ranieri took chelsea to the champions league semis in 03/04 after beating arsenal at highbury. jose mourinho never got past the semis as well.
so what do you mean further than?

ferguson has won 4 european cups in his career.
1 for aberdeen, 3 for man utd(which includes 2 champions league). if you take the fact that he's a long term manager unlike pep guardiola or jose mourinho who can only operate in clubs with financial doping, i think the messiash of the epl has done well for himself. he practically built his own empire and he's still relevant in modern football after 3 decades! guardiola inherited a team of world class players - same as mourinho. ferguson/wenger did not!

debosky: You’re right, but only to a point. . . .the fact is that the oldies cannot continue performing forever, the key is knowing when to ditch them and when to introduce a new style.

Clearly AVB failed to read the signs of the times - those so called oldies still have a lot to give and AVB should never have cast them aside so hastily.

Evolution is required not revolution - keep the senior players onside, make your changes gradually and you’ll succeed.

For someone who had supposedly studied Fergie and Wenger, he clearly didn’t study hard enough - Wenger rejuvenated and got the best out of George Graham’s back 5 and used their experience to solidify his base, before ultimately changing them out.

Public spats like alienating Anelka and Alex, and talking about bad relationship with players like Lamps would almost always signal the downfall of a coach whose performances are not good enough.

that is where he got it wrong in my opinion.
he should have sacked anelka, alex and lampard the moment he took the job. lampard was poison in the dressing room and he had friends in the media too.
all they had to do was wait for chelsea to draw/lose with lampard on the bench and the media would kick up dust that it was because of lampard's absence chelsea failed to pick all the 3 points.

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RuuDie: Exactly. . . .by club owners who do not have a clue!
Media pressure or not - the buck stops with the board or club owners; if they want to keep a manager, they can and will keep him. The media doesn't run their clubs for them!

the media do run the clubs for them. something happens and the media either look the other way or blow it out of proportion.
if it's the latter, the manager's fate then lies in what the media decide to do from then on. if they keep twisting the dagger, it's only a matter of time before the chairman pulls out the plug and avoid bad press that can damage the reputation of the club.

why do you think suarez and dalglish quickly apologised for what happened at old trafford when suarez refused to shake evra?
i cannot believe you guys don't know the role the media play in today's world. a lot of people depend on what's written in the newspapers to know if bayern munich is better than stoke fc or not. if the media say stoke are better, then stoke are better. it's as simple as that.

Krayola: They were fired. My guess is because they didn't meet expectations. Your claim that media pressure drove them out is absurd to me. What does this even have to do with Biesla? Mourinho won with porto and had some success with Chelsea. AVB won with Porto and failed woefully. . . . . my point is . . . . I think u can figure it out by ya sef

this is where i question the intelligence of the people who roam this particular thread. you under-estimate the power of the media in england. they are the king-makers and the king-dethroners. in other words, they form the opinion on the minds of the majority. jose mourinho did nothing too wrong apart from failing to win the champions league and losing the league title to alex ferguson in 06/07.

but the media went after his arse, they documented the amount of money he spent and how he had no excuse at all not to win. mourinho became crazy. he started coming up with excuses that petr cech's injury cost him points, the next season - he started comparing class a eggs and class c eggs. he started the season poorly,the media were all over him that he's lost his mojo. then he drew against rosenborg fc at the bridge and roman got fed up. he was sacked the same night.

the media had done him. . . .just like they did villas-boas, ancelotti, scolari and other big managers with rich cvs.
i repeat, guardiola would commit suicide if he comes to england to manage a clubside. the only successful managers in this league are the ones who have become institutions to the clubs they manage - e.g david moyes, alex ferguson and arsene wenger. they are unshakeable but all these journey just comes are preys to the english media. a whole fabio capello couldn't stand the heat - he had to sack himself.

These guys are winning. Let them drop points in 3 straight games and the Madrid/Catalan press will turn on them in a sec. Losing managers get raped by the press. It happens in every league.

not like it does in england. go and count the number of managers that have been sacked in this league in the past 2 yrs and get back to me.

Krayola: speculation

ask santini, capello, ancelotti, scolari, juande ramos, martin jol.
how come they all ran away from england with tails between their legs?

Media pressure, especially on big teams, is not exclusive to the EPL.

what guardiola/mourinho go through in spain is a fraction of what happens in england.
if guardiola manages a top side in england, he would commit suicide.

doyin13: Haa. . . United again fall to a team that dares to actually play them up the field. At least Bielsa realised his team are a fifth of the team they are when they pressure right up the field.

And lo and behold, United were made to look quite ordinary.

This so called transition assumes the EPL can regain its foothold in no time. That for me is quite a leap of faith. People think its the players that make the league, but I would disagree. The coaches do.

And ominously, they are quite a few of them littered across Europe these days. Coaches who can do a lot more than their funds suggest they should.

this type of yeye analysis bothers me. i am sure united have never beaten a team that dares to play them up the field under fergie
the moment united fail to win a match - people come out with different rubbish opata-spats. abeggi, go and sit down.

of course, the coaches also play a role in the quality of the league but put them in the spotlight and they fold like moi-moi leaves.
how many good managers have come to the premier league and left shamefully? put bielsa in a big team in england and he wouldn't last 12 months.
it's one thing to be tactical on the pitch, it's another team to be able to cope with the media pressure, etc in england.
scolari is a world cup winner for brazil. didn't he win 5 treble for chelsea while he was here?

[quote author=BABE!]Egbami ke?

You're "scared" to type out "coogar"?

I'm gonna send love mails to coogar so everyone can see. Watch that space. [/quote]the atutus are standing by with their eczema-stained teeth and watching closely.
some people need jobs!

dayokanu: This was the same people who were tagging Evra as top class

he is top class but his form is not really good at the moment!
he's featured in more champions league final than any german player still active in his trade - fact###

follypimpi: You guyz got schoooled!!!

But we have a title to chase and if we win that, no one would remember europa cup.
however, i cannot see what arsenal are playing for again this season. If i were wenger, i would forget the season, take the team to africa to start a 3-month preseason programme.

what a strike by rooney!
athletico madrid applauding rooney's goal - they are as crazy as their manager.

chamotex: Fergie don give up
Taking Rio and Carrick off . . . he should take Rooney off too
I think its a smart move. I cant blame him

why take them there in the first place? he should have lined up the reserves to show he's not bothered.
in my opinion, evra is so useless when it comes to positioning. he watched that dude cross the ball for the second goal. no real desire to close down.

nateevs: ------------------------------------

While you seem to be surprised that RDM is turning things around, I had written about this months ago.
If AVB is sacked, the new manager will default to what works, results will be achieved and the season will end well.
RA will hire another another continental manager (talks about Marelo Bielsa gathering pace) who tries to introduce a new style. He will struggle, players will revolt and he will be sacked. Damage limitation manager takes over, defaults to what works and folks like Diva will call it "turning it around" while Chelsea racks up more debt by paying off managers and huge wages .

Is that what you call losing bragging rights?

it shows the fickleness of most football fans - where have you ever seen a manager sacked at top level and results don't look good at first before things go back to normal? it's the adrenaline or the euphoria of a new manager, fresh hopes, etc. i really hope chelsea continue with these old farts next season with roberto di matteo and let's see if things won't end up the same way.

dayokanu: Surely Torres did more by wasting an open net chance.

I am sure the most deranged person cant even say Torres did more than Drogba in that 120min. Drogba 1 goal I assist. Lampard 1 goal one assist, terry 1 goal

So what did the newbreed Chelsea do?

so why has ramirez and juan mata outperformed all the old guys this season? coincidence?

chamotex: Llorente's goal is nothing short of CLASS!!!
Poor defending though

i cannot count the number of times we have conceded goals to direct football. why don't we have centre-halves who are determined to attack any ball floated into the box? with vidic on the pitch, that ball wouldn't have travelled that far without him putting his head to it. that was a very soft goal to concede but llorente's touch was exquisite!

we need 3 goals - can we get 3 in 45 mins?

[quote author=BABE!]Which yeye coat is yours? Coogar, denzel is on the verge of stealing your coat.

C'mon carry your ghana-must-go and run.

I'll miss you.[/quote]he dares not - denzel, if you touch my chinchilla, i would get you nicked!

dayokanu: Open net now the excuse is acute angle, Maybe he is waiting for obtuse angle before he scores

Drogba scored a goal, gave an assist and was MOTM compare that to anything Torres has done in the last 5 months and get back to me

torres did more when he came on as a sub than drogba did in the entire game. torres played on the flanks and he was as good as anyone on the pitch.
so lampard who did nothing apart from blasting a shot from 12 yards to score means chelsea's old dogs are back? i hope they continue believing that.

denzel2009: lmao nokia to nokia!

shaking my head. . . .there's no sim swap, no interchange of phones

dayokanu: In the 3 games Lampard played Chelsea won 2 of those

So Lampard wasnt the problem

in 2012 Chelsea havent lost a game which Terry played so terry isnt the issue

So which of the old guard is the problem

If you are looking for the problematic ones look no further than Fernandud Torres who missed another open net yesterday

open net from a very acute angle? how many players would score that?
compare it to drogba's open miss and get back to me.

lampard and drogba played in naples - what was the result?

denzel2009: Sleekgene come on, can you swear you haven't inserted your sim card into BABE!'s phone?

mtn or vodafone?

lampard played in that period(3 times).
essien did(thrice), drogba was off to africa and terry(thrice) before he was crocked.

i am not sure you follow the english league otherwise you won't be chatting bollocks.

[quote author=BABE!]\

Maybe not. . .

So how long are you planning on putting up with Seun's modifications? [/quote]i dunno - i might have to drop a worm on nairaland that would force seun's hands to go back to the old format.
this ish is so annoying.

--i have given up on him!