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jpphilips:[size=13pt]? ? ?[/size] |
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[size=18pt]They will never take responsibility[/size] [size=15pt]Wouldn't you agree?[/size] |
Some people have deviously and unrepentantly spread false information about Port Harcourt's name. I know that that these people are not used to researching and love to go with what they believe. In order to settle the matter in a manner that will leave no room for doubts, I have here reference to a verified research work about the claims being made. Clicking on the link below will reveal that PH was never named anything other than the name Lord Lugard gave it in honour of Lewis Vernon Harcourt the then Secretary of State for the Colonies Link 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Harcourt#Etymology The second link will show how Igbos (Ohafians specifically) started referring to the city as "Ụ́gwụ́ Ọ́chá" A screenshot of the page you will arrive at when you click on the second link below has also been attached Link 2) https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=hHTE0UWRdLQC&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=ohafia+men+building+port+harcourt&source=bl&ots=RtlEh3sotc&sig=UtF0TF-xmqgdPcd83cFM2bR1pOA&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=ohafia%20men%20building%20port%20harcourt&f=false Reference for link 2 McCall, John Christensen (2000). Dancing histories: heuristic ethnography with the Ohafia Igbo. University of Michigan Press. p. 75. ISBN 0-472-11070-5. More after the screenshot www.nairaland.com/attachments/3078957_igbosohafiaandportharcourtmerged2_jpeg4c746cb1f738414074b19966afde6358 Conclusion: Just as the legitimate name of the New York cannot be "Yankee" or "Obodo Oyibo" simply because many in Nigeria refer to it as such (who knows what others refer to it as), and the name of the riverine areas of Rivers and Bayelsa cannot be "mbamini" simply because igbos spitefully call it that way, the reference to Port Harcourt as "Ụ́gwụ́ Ọ́chá" amongst Ohafians and Igbos does not automatically crawl that name into being any authentic naming for the city of Port Harcourt. Even amongst Igbos, they have not been using that name. I have never heard of the name, Igweocha since I was born and many Igbos will agree too. That reference became naturally extinct. It seems only out of the most current land-grabbing ploy by some Igbos (now focused on Rivers State) that this has been dug up, which is why I found it necessary to provide information that would put the records straight |
freshvine:[size=13pt]Incorrect. This is the Origin of the the name, Ogwu ocha. Click on the link to see how Port Harcourt is not only NOT IGBO, but the name you call was how Ohafians referred to it A screenshot of the page you will arrive at when you click on the link below has also been attached[/size] [size=13pt]McCall, John Christensen (2000). Dancing histories: heuristic ethnography with the Ohafia Igbo. University of Michigan Press. p. 75. ISBN 0-472-11070-5.[/size] [size=13pt]https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=hHTE0UWRdLQC&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=ohafia+men+building+port+harcourt&source=bl&ots=RtlEh3sotc&sig=UtF0TF-xmqgdPcd83cFM2bR1pOA&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=ohafia%20men%20building%20port%20harcourt&f=false [/size] www.nairaland.com/attachments/3078957_igbosohafiaandportharcourtmerged2_jpeg4c746cb1f738414074b19966afde6358 |
jpphilips:[size=13pt]Please below are the two posts from joeprince.23, claiming different identities That I mentioned you does not mean I was felt you were joeprince.23[/size] 1). https://www.nairaland.com/2373064/port-harcourt-shock-visiting-called#34666786 2). https://www.nairaland.com/2667051/south-south-biafra...a-rivers-man-view#39002985 [size=13pt]No need to lose your peace bro.[/size]
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atlwireles:[size=13pt]atlwireles Spot the difference[/size]
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vicadex07:[size=13pt]It was Dakuku that told PDP to prepare their will[/size] |
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tempest01:[size=13pt]True. Buhari has really taken us backwards. I honestly did not support Buhari. I believed he was not the man we knew in 1984. But what hurts me is that all those things they were saying of him were true. I actually thought the opposition was overdoing it in the spirit of the game of campaigning. Unfortunately, everything is turning out true. When we have a president, no matter what party he is in, we hope he succeeds, Improving the country in the process. Now his success is very much in doubt And as for taking the country forward, just look at what is happening with INEC[/size] |
FriendChoice:[size=13pt]And they say Buhari is not corrupt. I will not end up one of the those who were cheaply deceived. Honestly, I was almost falling for it - more out of hope than from facts on the ground[/size] |
AmadiAba:[size=13pt]Main problem with this post is the source. Not yet earned credibility in the publishing space[/size] |
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Tequilah:Strictly cardinally speaking, Igbos will not be in the South East but just in the south. |
MORNDEW:[size=13pt]You can't take these people seriously. These are the same people that said Lagos is no man's land in a bid to further go on to claim it saying they built it. Have you not noticed that Efiks, Ibibios, Ijaws, Igalas, Tivs, Kanuris all live in Lagos state? Not one of them ventured that kind of disrespectful error (of declaring that Lagos is "no man's land" ). When the rest of Nigeria sees the Igbo man doing that, they form an opinion of him naturally. The Calabar man will know naturally that if the capital of Nigeria had remained calabar the Igbos would probably be calling Calabar "no man's land" by now. Igbos cannot misbehave again and again and when resented on account of that, complain in self glorifying self pity that they are hated because everyone else is envious of them. Most of these misdemeanours actually amount to diplomatic self-amputation on the part of Igbos because it takes away from their collective diplomatic equity. Point this out to them and they turn on you. Proverbs 9:7 Their fathers made a grievous mistake by not talking to the ancient dynasties of the south-south before assuming their sons and daughters would go and die for them in a war they knew nothing about. At a time when they should be repairing these old errors it was surprising to hear Igbos further complete the diplomatic self-harm by declaring: 1) That Ijaws were Igbos 2) That our ancient dynasties to whom the white man paid taxes on arriving our shores are a part of Ojukwus 1965 attempted contraption, Biafra. How can a people's political fortunes improve, when they engage in a permanent process of eroding all diplomatic goodwill?[/size] |
Kestolovee95:[size=13pt]I deliberately do not mention my tribe in the south-south but the kings of the dynasties of Okrika, Bonny, Klabari and Nembe are well documented and all over the Internet. These kings collected taxes from the British to allow them do trade within their territory[/size] |
Udmaster:[size=13pt]And did Nri comprise all of Igbo land? I think not. In fact, I know it did not because I have read about the Nri before now. Or do you claim the eze nri is the eze of all Igbos now? Following is a breakdown of kingship in Igbo land: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eze#Kingship_in_Igboland Attached below is also a screenshot which still establishes the view that Igbo sociol, cultural, and political systems have been fragmented over the centuries Appreciating this lets you see how far behind others you are in terms of cultural organisation from a historical point of view. Appreciating this also lets you see why they have considered you a ridiculous deep fraud when you have tried to claim ownership of their territories by calling it no man's land, or tried to achieve self expansion by declaring them Igbos? [/size]
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EternalTruths:[size=15pt]Exactly. Just as Lagos is no man's land[/size] |
Udmaster:[size=13pt] I am not really replying you. I am actually speaking to all that will read this thread. My point here is you don't know how far behind others you are in terms of cultural organisation from a historical point of view. So when you do not appreciate how anciently established others have been, you won't appreciate why they do not respect you and your state. Now how can any of these people I have listed here not consider you a deep fraud when you have tried to even claim ownership of their territories? Do you see how ridiculous you look when you say they are Igbo or you own their territory? Is it because they don't speak up because they think you are really stupid? [/size] |
Udmaster:[size=13pt]Geneology of Bonny Rulers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Bonny#Rulers[/size]
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Udmaster:[size=13pt]More rulers/leaders from other climes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalabari_Kingdom#Rulers http://kengema.tripod.com/id25.html My point here is you don't know how far behind others you are in terms of cultural organisation from a historical point of view [/size]
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Udmaster:[size=13pt]And when I say who was the Igbo leader before 1965 and you reel out the names of 6 people all of whom were alive at the same time, it just shows what I am trying to prove. Ships don't usually have more than one captain Who is the current Igbo leader now? Who was the leader preceding him? These links lead to other groups within Nigeria and their leadership history which I think the Igbos cannot replicate as no one can go back in time and change the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rulers_of_the_Yoruba_state_of_Oyo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalabari_Kingdom#Rulers http://www.afropedea.org/list-of-obas-kings-of-benin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oba_of_Benin#List_of_Obas_of_the_Benin_Empire_.281180-present.29 [/size]
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Udmaster:[size=13pt]OKay. Let me reply you now. I do know that some Igbos did have a monarchy system on account of influence from the Bini and Edo people, but clearly, they did not form one government with themselves and neither did they form one government with the hundreds of scattered clans and villages who refused to forge any political union beyond the village/clan level, and who refused to have chiefs or kings. Therefore, inspite of the existence of some communities which preferred (and retained an organised socio-political structure) Igbo land remained politically fragmented (from time past till this day). Even portions of the page you sent me corroborates what I say: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nnewi#Government [/size]
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[size=13pt]The thing that struck me the most is that the article looks like an 80s replica of what one might write about the regime today. In other words, if the NYTimes is to write about the administration today, the article might not be much different from this one. Actually, all the complaints in that 1984 article have been made in articles written this year about the current administration. Can anyone pick out any complaint in the old article that has not been made this time around about this administration[/size] |
[size=13pt]So why then are they clamouring for an Igbo nation now? The reason is not logical. It is emotional. It is connected to a deep-rooted need for the establishment of holistic ethnic identity which they can be proud of (which they hitherto have never had throughout history). That is why we can't stop it (their agitation). But they don't seem to realise that is what they need, that that is their problem - an identity crises. Part of this has been explained here in my post from 2014: https://www.nairaland.com/1966541/igbo-nation[/size] |
[size=13pt] Great, Super post. Only thing I disagree with is that Seun did not say that Biafra should not be mentioned. He said no to posts promoting biafra. See it below 9. Don't use Nairaland for illegal acts, e.g scams, plagiarism, hacking, gay meetings, incitement, promoting Biafra. [/size] |
jpphilips:[size=13pt]This same guy tells us in another post of his that his mum is from Oyigbo in Rivers State. See it here: https://www.nairaland.com/2373064/port-harcourt-shock-visiting-called#34666786 It seems to me that in keeping with a reputation for fraud, Igbos are the major perpetrators of ethnicity impersonation in their yet uncured desire to steal other ethnic groups' territories.[/size]
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