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Technically the their were more slaves from the bight of Benin than Biafra did and the Bight of Benin is in the SW.

Pages 47-56 and 60 for your reading pleasure:
http://books.google.com/books?id=dXVFnHqhLvcC&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=bight+of+benin+produced+more+slaves&source=bl&ots=PKWTPmj__K&sig=GpTUgaqnjtzdEWeWrTo9jy3ZvS8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0tWcT_PxK9OTtwfI5eTOBw&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=bight%20of%20benin%20produced%20more%20slaves&f=false

Page 60 is quite interesting, the slaves were often identifiable because they were Muslim....hmmm

Even in the South East it was a clear distinction of two ideologies, those who believed in the selling of slaves like Arochukwu and Nri who was vehemently against the practice and even declared that those who were designated as slaves would no longer be referred as such once they were in Nri's borders. Did this occur in your part of Nigeria?

No they were not cowards. A man is man when he owns up to his mistake in my opinion. It takes great humility to admit to wrongdoing, a challenge for many of us.

So when you stop acting like you are going through the first stages of menopause lets us know okay dear

It's not about Igbo, it could have been Hausa instead, but the fact all his examples of people engaging in tribalism seem to come from one group as though everyone else are innocent lambs of God. The hypocrisy. I've seen Igbo, Edo, Hausa, Yoruba, and co participate in the madness luckily in most cases the reasonable people do the right thing and call the dummies out for their tribalism.

Despite its faults Nairaland is much better than Naijapals

The fact that your examples are so one sided clearly shows that you are part of the problem yourself. The irony by the OP is thick enough to cut with a knife. You hate tribalism but engage in it? The jokers that new Nairaland has seems to increase by the day lmao.

amor4ce: No matter the friction I try not to wish evil for others. By the way, I have also criticized certain practices associated with my people some of whom have poured out vitriol in response, so know that yours doesn't bother me.

The first step to receive healing is humble admission of absence of well-being (Matthew 9:12), and we know that iniquity in the land is rampant not localized.

Great I believe there is a Yoruba thread Where you can criticize your own as much as you like. The irony of you needing to lean upon Christianity and on top of that exemplify the point of the verse is hilarious.

When will you humble yourself and admit you have a problem, this is not the first time you have gone out of your way to troll a thread about Southeastern people. Furthermore the fact that in your quest to prove how "savage" these people are you were too lazy to even read your first source carefully, you just saw cannibal and ran with it. Only when someone else did what you should of done in the first place and actually read the site before spamming the thread you would have know you were misappropriating the quote.

So I ask again when will you humble yourself and own up to the complex you have? I personally would trust the man from a place than a man who is related to the people who colonized my country, because you know he may be biased?

https://imgur.com/tCp90.gif

Lol what you can't find other videos that you need to repost one twice, damn you didn't think your troll out at all

Here I'll help add credibility your thread


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Youre welcome have fun doing whatever this is lmao

Though I applaud her efforts the real responsibility lies with the Nigerian govt who allows and sanctions the actions by the oil companies.

Ileke-IdI:
BLA BLA BLA. . . .

How cute

This mokey tap dances

Ileke-IdI:
The title makes the thread irresistible to posters like you. I just couldn't resist.

Not really. I just looked, noticed the head retar.d who was leading the charge, said my piece, and kept it moving. One wonders why you bother coming all the way to the US and still carry such a backwards mentality, you could have saved the time and money and stayed in Nigeria.

Like I said Ken Saro Wiwa protested for his health, thank God Omotola came 20 years later to rally for the cause lol. Omotola is doing good work no need to mess up her work by tagging yourself to her.

amor4ce: Why the focus on 'brain'?

Are you into head-hunting?
Is it that you see your fellow men as walking brain farms and prospective delicacies?
Are you tired of isi ewu?
Do you have a craving for isi 'Yoruba'?
Do you like eating human brains?
Are you from one of those extreme communities referred to earlier on this page?

Lol some folks and their need to feel important. One wonders why the advance ethnic group you hail from couldn't manage to push the British out?

I wish someone would eat you, it would be the first useful thing you have ever done in your life.

Ileke-IdI:
Her music sincerely sucks, her voice is really irritating.

That's just my opinion. Even Ty Bello sounds better.

Don't choke on that haterade dear, save some for seconds

I don't see why the title had to be Yoruba Woman does x for the Niger Delta, is she not Nigerian again? Are Niger Deltans not Nigerian?
Or the fact that she is Yoruba somehow makes it a legitimate cause? I guess Ken Saro Wiwa was protesting for his health...

Some folks need to get a life or borrow one.

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Gos Jason will you shut up, Christ its a fake map. Nigeria is not splitting because everyone has settled themselves with the status quo wake me when you guys get on Bosnia level

You do realize the Bight of Biafra was where the name of Biafra came from Christ the Nigerian education system has gone to hell in a hand basket

You truly buy into your bull don't you? Who nursed whom? I am a person, who would rather avoid war, but considering the circumstances at the time it was a last resort option. Your fathers and friends fathers killed 50,000 people in cold blood and you talk about nursing? Who saved who? Had the British not reminded Gowon that oil is at stake would there have been any war? You saved BP, Total, and Shell. Well done.

Further more no one nurse the East in fact many of the structures built after the war was from money raised at the community level for infrastructure, not from the North and most certainly not from the Government. There are people who are from the East that can remember structures riddled with scars from war in the 70s and 80s. So I ask again who nursed whom? Whatever you feel about Igbo people, you must give them there due to come back from literally nothing to helping build up things like Innoson and Nollywood. That's guts and damn determination, and try as you might you cannot take that away from them. Contrast that too the North that never experienced war for one day, had leaders from their region for the vast majority of Nigeria's 51 years and in every index fails more than Nigeria with all regions combined. If Nigeria's a -D, take a guess what the North would rank, and that's not bias that is fact. Child mortality, Maternal death, etc. So let us not get carried away with egos. And this goes for all sides Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba, Ijaw, whatever, Nigeria is wholly f.uc.ked so no one is better than the other.

As Haile Selassie once said in front of the League of Nations asking for members to stop Italy's assualts on Ethiopia only for his pleas to fall on deaf years(to paraphrase) "Today its us, tommorow it will be you, " And sure enough Europe would be plagued by a second World War only a year or so later, take time and be reasonable Biafra was someone's yesterday, and Boko
Haram is looking like your region's today.

@nagoma:
The last time the SE wanted to commit suicide , the whole of Nigeria gathered together to save them despite the kicking and scatching they called war. We nursed their wounds , cleaned them up and brought them back into the family fold. Now we are giving them the rope and they should please go ahead and hang. We are all leaving anyway. North for NORTHERNERS and south for SOUTHERNERS . Let us separate in peace.

Nnenna1:
Even if it were true that Igbos killed twins in the past, I find interesting that in a cultural forum meant to highlight positives of individual tribes, negatives are ascribed to Igbos in particular.

Never mind that virtually all of Nigerian tribes have engaged in  barbaric acts - such as kings feasting on dead bodies/being buried with dead bodies/human heads, human sacrifices, cannibalism [even as recent as last year], propensity to commit Jihad-like killings, killing of twins (by other groups).

And yet - this is where it gets ironic and hypocritical - other groups are not placed on trial for this on culture page.

As I said in another thread, it seems that Igbos are held to high moral standards that everyone else in Nigeria is exempt from.

Tribalism is a disease.

Nnenna1:
Not to pick on you, but something about the bolded strikes me. When you imply that the Northern and/or the Yoruba must be the oldest kingdoms in Nigeria rather than Igbo (per your reference to the Sukur Kingdom and Sungbo Eredo) , do you have an attempted, biased and maybe narcissistic desire to claim pre-eminence for your tribe (I'm guessing that you're Yoruba)? Or do you excuse yourself from this possibility?

Please, enlighten me. It seems that Igbos are held to high moral standards that everyone else in Nigeria is exempt from.

Thank you! That right there ended any thought that one may have had to help contribute to the thread. The bias came out the gate, so why bother?
If it had been I believe there are older kingdoms in Nigeria that would have been more acceptable.

Abagworo:
While I have not stated authoritatively that Nri is the oldest kingdom, I think the aim of some of these people is more or less trying to undermine the achievement of Igbos. Notice that most Edo people do not belong to this class of facts and history distorters.

A thread was once opened on Nairaland that Igbos do not go to school and when records from JAMB and NYSC revealed that Imo State is far ahead of others in both enrollment and graduation, some people started questioning the credibility of JAMB statistics. Some even claimed Igbos were altering it.LMFAO!

They ended it by dismissing our education standards. Is that not funny?

That's exactly what I said that, with that kind of tone is the person insinuating that Igbo people bribed the archeologists to lie on their behalf?

aribisala0:
Your remarks are persistently ill-informed and ignorant

If I understand you well historians should give up their work because they wer not alive.
So no need for Igbos to tell their children unborn about Biafra


Scholars credited Nri with the Oldest artwork?? This is Untrue
Please name one of these scholars.

ONLY one will do .

I agree with you that some had no records but Kanem Bornu do THE GIRGAM

I believe NO ONE KNOWS the oldest kingdom so those making the NRI claim should stop it.
That is my point!!

Are they ignorant because they disagree with your point of view? Or because they lay out the truth like it is?

If you honestly gave off the sense of someone who is in this for the pursuit of knowledge I would actually bother to fetch a couple of links down, but since your tone clearly says "this is to support an agenda I have hatched" I won't bother. I told you the best place to go, JSTOR. Various articles on Nri and even write ups by the European guy who "came" across the bronze pieces.

That is not even remotely close to what I said, I said that some of you (Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba, and etc.) all have agendas when its comes to these things. The fact that you assume that, Igbo people mention that Nri is the oldest kingdom based on in your own words of course "I see such as an attempted, biased and maybe narcissistic desire to claim pre-eminence." or maybe based on the knowledge available people might I dare say actually believe that its correct Crazy I know? Its almost as though you are claiming the researchers were on Igbo people's personal dole to lie on their behalf

On Biafra, those two situations are not even remotely similar. No one is disputing the Nigerian Civil War. But you are claiming that Nri is not the oldest kingdom in Nigeria, and to top it off accusing the researchers of bias on the behalf of Igbo people

If its untrue, use your God given brain and use the search bar and prove it. Google, Yahoo, Big, Ask, any one of them will do. The burden of proof in all of this is not on me, its actually on you. You are the one challenging the assertion that it is the oldest, so its your job to do the research and show that "x" existed way before Nri did. Maybe if you do a good job you can change history

Depending on how you ask the question you can get different answers, the Sokoto Caliphate stretched from Nigeria to Niger but is credited for being in Nigeria, why? Because much of it is in what is now known as Nigeria, that's how it works. If the purple kingdom stretched from Chad to Nigeria but was started and must found in what is now Chad, Chad gets the credit not Nigeria.

So your proof is your opinion And you see why I said you were not serious
Maybe you don't know but the people who took the time to dig and figure out the dates of the artifacts know, you should see what they think?

Dude go f.u.ck yourself if you have a problem with my advise to go use google. This is not some obsure subject that one has to dig to look for the information, it has a wikipedia page for christsakes.I gave you a site to start your research JSTOR, a reputable research site that has historical documents dating back to the colonial period. I do think you opened this thread as a joke, your tone and subsequent respones come off as someone who laughs at the though Igbo people could have done anything of significance, which is why you mention the Fulani who by many accounts were the last to settle in what is present day Nigeria. If you honestly came out as an objective person who really is seeking information, I might actually bother to dig up the research. But from your attitude you clearly show that even if brought up the sources you would still doubt it. So I am not going to waste my time on a fool who is biased from jump street. Consider it your homework clown.


Please disappear if you have nothing to say.

You make a claim and when challenged you say "google".

I asked for ONE citation to back up your claim  just ONE?
Do you think I opened this thread in jest?

aribisala0:
can you cite which eurooeans and Asians came to that conclusion just one European and Asian reference each please?

Google my friend
Start at JSTOR and work your way onward

They used carbon dating to determine their age do you guys just fall over yourselves for a few gotcha points

amor4ce:
Personally, I have not accepted the claims by some about the age of Igbo Ukwu and Nri as I see such as an attempted, biased and maybe narcissistic desire to claim pre-eminence. What about the old Sukur kingdom or Koma or Sungbo Eredo or the nations/kingdoms that fled away from the Fulani to the mountains?

Well you can argue with Europeans and Asians and etc who have come to that conclusion, unless of course you think they too have something to gain by proclaiming it as such, they must be narcissistic and biased about researching the information and writing it up. They must be Igbo

@ Dudu_Ntns

I don't know if its a sign of independence per se, because much of this occurred under and was facilitated by the British under indirect rule. The Sultan held control over vast swaths of the North which spoke Hausa, so it made sense to leave it as is. The south didn't have a unifying language so the British inserted their own language.Lugard actually perfected his policy of indirect rule in the North, which he then applied to the West, East, and etc as well as places like Sudan and India.

Dudu_Negro:
Mac, Crayola, ekt_ and Dranoel,  

. . . you guys brought new points on which to have a further debate and introspection.   I believe the OP's question has been satisfactorily answered.  However, with the new revelations we should examine why each region cannot now promote its own as the official language at regional level of government.  

The Northerners are already slowly moving back to making that happen.  In Kano and some other states up there Ajami shares space with Latin roadsigns. Their assembly is officiated in Hausa.  It wont be long before they demand that all people in their region must speak Hausa.

Part of the power in leadership is to have foresight and imagination to contemplate the future.  The Hausas have continously led the country because of their continous ability to redefine "independent".  The North is independent of British, but the South has failed to liberate itself from British rule.  A slave cannot own slave. . . only free people own slaves.  Our self-tethering and self-enslavement to British will never put the South in position where it can own and dictate matter for the North like they do to us in South.

maclatunji:
Simple, the Arabic script was already assimilated in the officialdom of Northern Nigeria which the British "Colonial Masters" recognised with their policy of indirect rule. Note that the script on the Naira is Arabic but it is actually Hausa language (not Arabic language). The North never took to the British way of life like the West and East did. The British understood and respected this and always made concessions to accommodate their position.

Note that states in the North saw themselves as independent people whilst Yorubas were signing their sovereignty away (albeit under duress) and the people of the middle belt and south east got lumped together with the use of appointed chiefs by the British they were called Warrant Chiefs weren't they?

The British didn't respect it, they made it work their favor, the Sultan and Emirs were happy to stay in power and the British had no problem as long as they submitted and deferred to British rule at the end of the day, which they did. And actually many of the Northern elite did want and received Western education, it was the average people that Western education never trickled down to, which is why the British Administration relied heavily on the South for people to work in the clerical jobs in the North.

The writing is a hybrid of Arabic called Ajami, which was developed in the Sahel and eventually brought to Northern Nigeria. Africans in the Sahel found that Arabic could not accommodate their languages so Ajami was devised so that sounds in the Hausa language, for example, could be better expressed. The British did it to further their ties with the Northern elite as a "see you do matter" thing.

The Yoruba, or just say South West was largely ruled under the same system as the North, the indirect rule system, instead of Sultans and Emirs there were Obas and other chiefs. And as in the North as long as those chiefs abide by the British they kept their "power", cross the British and a more favorable person was found to fill the position.

This was the general policy for areas that had authority centered with one person, Chief/King/Oba/etc.

The only region that this policy differed was in areas termed as stateless-societies, areas where there was not central figure in power. In the Eastern part of the country authority was not held with one person and instead decisions would by made by committee elders/men/etc, in a form of direct democracy. This made conquering the region and instilling British rule much harder because every area was autonomous from the next one. So unlike the North where after the capitulation of the Sultan, the emirs would fall in line or the Oba was controlled and nobles under him would fall in line this was not the case in the East. They would fight village/town by village/town until they had fought enough to get the rest to fall in line. Without a designated leader, the British created one, which were known as the Warrant chiefs. They were people who were seen as favorable to the British cause, and were rewarded for their loyalty. However in the societies the resided in, their titles had no meaning in the traditional societies of the people. In addition to that many of the "chiefs" tended to be corrupt and extort higher taxation fees from the people which furthered the people's resentment towards them.

And etc etc etc.