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Ileke-IdI:
Chillax, calm down your ranting.

Resort to insults like Chyz plz, because this your feminine display sef get as e be

Like I said bring out proof stop diverting, I know its your nature but we all have to get past 5 years old eventually now

Anyway in my humble opinion a thread that is purposefully made with poor intentions should just receive the same treatment

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Ileke-IdI:
The ignorance is on your part.
While you're screaming tribalism, you're sadly displaying it.
Unfortunately for you and those who wish to see tribalism in everything, this thread still goes on.

And how is that by saying that ultimately the Agbada and its derivatives are Arab attire lol wow what a stretch
Even though you started this thread calling out Yoruba and Igbo, if this was actually to be a multiculturalism thread, shouldn't it have said Nigerians only?
Or that you followed me into the Igbo name thread and had the boldness to say Arinze is a Yoruba name
Or the fact you have gone in every non Yoruba thread saying "Yoruba influence"
I can continue with this list if you like

Wow am I surprised that the best you could come up with is "You are too" prove it then, show my tribalistic tendencies in this thread or any other thread, I do await for the proof of this one, I got to see this. Because then we'll really see a real Houdini trick today

Well actually you started the tribalism you we all await for you to continue with it

Lol

To be honest all the hats with feathers are over the top

Ileke-IdI:
Dont be silly dear. Those are Agbadas, diff from what the arabs'.

If you say so, ignorance on your part is bliss I guess
I can't wait to hear what else is next lol this thread was trash from beginning, and by design unfortunately,  Well done OP I applaud your efforts to tribalise even the most insignificant of things

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A symptom of the overall problem that is Nigeria The BBC couldn't make this shi/t up https://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj72/myem0/01/yoyo-emoticon-1-003.gif

KINGwax:
shirts are known worldwide, it didn't start from germany but fitted shirts are. If it doesn't originate from germany, it doesnt mean germans don't invent the fitted shirts. Now, agbada is different from whatever might have came from the arabs. Agbada is totally redefined, so is caftan, gbariye and so on so shut it!

If I buy a pair of jeans and bedazzle them with jewels did I create a new outfit or modified it? That's exactly what the agbada is a modification.
Your analogy doesn't even make sense, if fitted shirts are from Germany and i decide to put an additional pocket on the shirt its still a fitted shirt that originated from Germany, I just modified it Lord some of you are slow.
Someone just showed pictures of Arab outfits which are dead ringers for their Agbada counterpart, so how different are they
I think you should shut it, I bet you thought you were going to make a profound point and ended up looking silly. Next

Aigbofa:
Well, prove to me first that it was not, and while you are it, also tell me how Iro and buba came about. Most likely adapted is not good enough for me.

I provided you links its up to you to do the research, I believe in charity up to a certain point. I'm talking about Agbadas but if you like you can bring whatever else you think with distract us all from the topic of discussion the Agbada
Like I said ignorance up to a certain point is not a favorable trait my friend

Aigbofa, you sef like wahala Grin
See me thinking I go come back to better arguments, logic here. Grin Grin Disappointed.

Tribalism is not much of an argument with regards to your line of attack.

If you genuinely were trying to create a thread on multiculturalism, you should have instead of trying to be sneaky with your tribalism, which was not that sneaky to begin with if it was spotted on page one Really if you are going to play the tribalism game step it up, if we can all see it a mile away its pretty weak sauce

1.Take your own advise
2. If I'm speaking in general would that not be counter productive to direct it to one specific person?
When the thread become geared towards celebration let the rest of us know

Aigbofa:
"Most likely adapted"  is not a statement of fact, and a contradiction of your earlier statement. I will pretend I didn't read the last part of your post.

Well I posted the links for you to go through, prove me wrong and show that the agbada was wholly a Yoruba invention  

Well you read it so no need to pretend, if it was speaking to you accept it and work towards improving on your shortcomings. Being ignorant and not knowing you are ignorant is a sad thing, being ignorant and knowing you are ignorant is shameful.

Here's some reading material for your leisure time:

http://www.adireafricantextiles.com/agbadainfo.htm
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0438/is_2_35/ai_94010397/
http://www.bakareweate.com/texts/the%20agbada.pdf
http://books.google.com/books?id=zmKZ7-y4Q3gC&pg=PA100&dq=agbada+clothing&hl=en&ei=zAm6TpWXKMvAtgeezJWqBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CFIQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=agbada%20clothing&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=r_pUDOWOB7MC&pg=PT64&dq=agbada+clothing&hl=en&ei=zAm6TpWXKMvAtgeezJWqBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CFcQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=agbada%20clothing&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Q_lCFcabj0MC&pg=PA59&dq=agbada+clothing&hl=en&ei=Qwq6Ts2nJcGTtwfi342iBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDcQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=agbada%20clothing&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=1u4EAQAAIAAJ&q=agbada+clothing&dq=agbada+clothing&hl=en&ei=Qwq6Ts2nJcGTtwfi342iBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBDgK

I know on Nairaland making up facts as you go along is seen as a positive trait for the easily amused but I enjoy facts much better.

When you get a chance do ask those people who made them authorities on Yoruba fashion and clothing too, I'm sure the "I'm Yoruba and I know what I'm talking about" line of attack will definitely win you points against scholars and historians

Aigbofa:
LWKMD

Who made you an authority on Yoruba history and culture!

Well you can make up your "own" history or you can actually research like I did,  with most sources saying that Yorubas most likely adapted the outfit from Hausas. But I know being ignorant is the fashionable thing to be these days, so I'll leave you to your own

Stay breezy

This pretty pathetic , I don't really see any celebration of multiculturalism in this thread more of the rest of Nigeria should kiss the ground Yoruba people walk on because without them they would have been na, ked

Instead of celebrating clothing of Nigeria its become another useless tribalism thread.
I already explain that the way the outfit made its way into Nigeria and if anyone should be thanking anyone its should be Arabs because ultimately it was their invention as far as we know.

Anyway, I think if that's the case everyone should go back to the drawing board an improve their own national attire and leave it for those who think they are do you a favor by wearing their own.

No wonder Nigeria is the way it is, people are being complete asse.s over clothing its no surprise everything else is a complete clusterfuck of a nation.

Multiculturalism goes both ways, someone mentioned food another is the use of the word Chineke, Chei, Tufiakwa, etc that is sprinkled in many Nigerians lexicon even if they are not Igbo. Or Pidgin from the SS area, etc. The list is endless.

Christ, leave the girl alone.
I like the outfits, they look snazzy

Of course you can't.

BlackLibya:
I spotted a perm in one of those pictures, and it wasnt the teacher.

Anyway, I saw a video from benin where the little girls had wigs and perms. So, plz, maybe most west african countries but not all. Anyway, i have already settled this with Nayah.

People judge millions of Americans everyday based off what Obama does. He is the leader of the country, they are right to do so.

Point it out then, total bs.
Where is said video, doesn't exist either most likely.
The judge the looks of Americans off of Obama, wow you know how to bs, not very good though.

Anyway.

Before anyone says otherwise I don't think anyone region is more beautiful than the other

No, I don't like that fact that you are always talking from a position of ignorance on things you have no clue about.
You literally judged millions of people in Cameroon from their First Lady, as though she represents all Cameroonians?
Or the fact that you think school girls in west Africa wear weaves and perm their hair when just doing the simplest google search would show you how far base you are off, people can be incorrect on things sometimes and say "My bad" when corrected:

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And this has been the case for almost half a century:
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BlackLibya:
So u have no connection to nigeria?

The spambot is a fool.

Is that any of your business, the only thing I have to say is that I've actually gone to Nigeria unlike you

lol most of your posts in this thread is borderline spam IMHO

I actually responded to a couple.

BlackLibya:
Oh ok, thanks for telling me that. Is Afro-weave banned too in the schools? I always thought cameroon would be the worst because of their first lady but I'm so happy to know there is a country in west africa that doesnt allow all this nonsense into it. I suppose diaspora Cameroonians are not a reality to what is actually going on there.

Once again this is what happens when you have no clue what you are talking about, most schools in West Africa tell the girls to either cut their hair or plait it from elementary to high school.

Will you shut up already

BlackLibya:
your not a 2nd generation American?

Anyway, I had responded to that article that was posted, but i am not allowed to respond to it because the spambot got me. So, i will leave it be. The Spambot got me even tho i didnt put a single link.

No
Maybe the spambot is smarter than we thought

Thank you, its a problem for all people of African descent, Black women in America have access to creams that are not as dangerous as the ones Africans and West Indies people use. So they don't get the noticeable "fanta face, coca cola body" look

Its not to knock on Black Americans, since I am one, but to pretend that the thousands of beauty stores stocked to the brim with these things are only for Africans and people from the Islands is a boldfaced lie.

BlackLibya:
Its not acceptable. On the whole we dont do it, it's not a fad, and we dont call it "beauty creme". We dont write songs about it, nor do we have movies where it happens. In my area there are africans everywhere so i cant answer your question. All I can say is that I went to a school and nobody did it. Like i said, the korean woman in the store said it was for african women.

What are you going on about Yes Black women bleach, you can pretend that its not the case but long before Africans were coming to the US in large numbers, it was not yesterday they just started stocking the shelves.

There was a documentary on TLC with a young Black girl who bleaches, so yes there is media that shows that it is a problem.

You always have one BS anecdote story on standby don't you The Korean woman will single you out, and tell you that's for African women

Man whatever, like I said in the US when a woman bleaches you won't know.
Fashion Fair, a black owned makeup line, one of their products is Vantex. What is Vantex? A bleaching cream. So obviously they were marketing this product to Africans in some parallel dimension according to you

This ad was in Jet/Ebony and judging by the hair it was probably 80's-90's when it ran:
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Dude I have gone to schools that are 98% black and I can promise you that no one bleached. Bleaching for african americans is generally limited to acne scars. The AA experience revolves around the idea that black is beautiful, black power, and complaining about the white man. Most people bleaching are from the Carribean, Africa, India, or Southeast Asia. I didnt even know bleaching existed until I walked in an African store. In school we are taught that ended in the 1920s

That's not what you said here, you wouldn't be as pathetic if you actually stuck to a point instead of shifting to suit your needs when caught in a lie

If its a problem, then at some level it is acceptable to do it you mean having others know you bleach is not acceptable.

Africans make up a small percentage of the population, and those bleaching creams have long been in the beauty supply stores before there was even a sizable African population, who were they selling it to then?

BlackLibya:
Crayola think what u want. Many men refer to the women of their race as exotic, if u dont like it, kick rocks.

Anyway, Tyra's show was extremely biased because it acted like bleaching was an epidemic in the AA community, when its a much more serious problem in the Indian/Asian community.

Lmao ok whatever, I wish you would take your own advice lol

And I gave you sources that show its a problem in the AA and you still deny, dude GFOH with that bs

BlackLibya:
Dude I have gone to schools that are 98% black and I can promise you that no one bleached. Bleaching for african americans is generally limited to acne scars. The AA experience revolves around the idea that black is beautiful, black power, and complaining about the white man. Most people bleaching are from the Carribean, Africa, India, or Southeast Asia. I didnt even know bleaching existed until I walked in an African store. In school we are taught that ended in the 1920s

If you say so lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOmjlaKe6Ws
she talks about an episode of Tyra about skin leaching and I watched that episode and most of those women on the show were Black Americans if not all of them


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyMVgsHazQ4&feature=related
She learned about bleaching from Africans Indians Asians

http://www.blackhealthmatters.com/9-07perils.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/16/health/16skin.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.prlog.org/11370939-black-women-who-use-skin-lightening-creams-more-likely-to-marry-rich-men-according-to-new-study.html
http://www.realself.com/forum/permanent-skin-lightening-treatments-dark-skinned-african-americans
http://hiphopwired.com/2011/01/20/lightenin-up-10-celebrities-accused-of-bleaching-their-skin-30097/

Its a problem in all Black communities

BlackLibya:
If you say so, ancient historians gloated about the women in harems and their ethnicities.

Black women are exotic. Sorry, I disagree with you. Many AA's think black women are exotic, sry.

So because ancient historians did it we must follow their footsteps in 2011 wow wow
Black women are people and not Tigers, tigers are fu_c.king exotic black women are beautiful.

BlackLibya:
I live in the city with the highest population of ethiopians outside ethiopia, i most definitely am not wrong.

Very rare if an american bleaches, I have not ran into any that do. AA's look down on bleaching and bleachers. Even when I went into the beauty supply in my area and when i went to the bleaching cremes the korean lady stopped me and said "no this is just for the african woman."

Dude that is such a lie bleaching is a problem in the African American community, which is why every Korean Hair supply store in black neighborhoods is filled to the brim with skin bleaching creams, or only saving grace is that unlike in developing nations the main ingredient in Skin lightening creams, hydroquinone cream, is limited to 2% which is not as harmful or as noticeable Dude come off that mess bleaching is a problem among all people of African descent