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Christistruth03:
Let us look at the praise names of oba of Benin

One of it is

Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe
The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife).

(Odua of Ife is the same as Oduduwa of Ife)



Another of oba of benin's praise names is

Ovbi' Adimila
The son of Adimila


Oduduwa was also known as Olofin Adimula
Which was his Title


So with your own mouth you have already given the evidence that fully demolished and destroyed your case which had no legs to stand on in the first place and have confirmed with your own Mouth that the oba of Benin was indeed Oduduwa's Son

There is nothing left to drag because it is settled

You called him oduduwa, that was not what he was called while in Edo land, you are a fool, the person you call Oduduwa is an exiled Edo prince, he settled in the land called Uhe (Ife), you see him as a god, we know he was an exiled prince, this is the point of confusion for you people, an Edo prince got to a place called Uhe (Ife), then there was no Ile'Ife kingdom, no organized Ile'Ife Kingdom owned by yorubas at that point, when you people saw him living in this land and thriving in the wilderness it was then, and his prowess you took him as your god...our prince was your God and one of your progenitors, that's why you people call Edo people Omo Oba.

Show me any evidence of any such claim by you revisionists of Ile'Ife being greater, even your obas pay homage to the Benin oba, you people and igbos were part of our slaves then. Tell me, how did the Ile'Ife people enter Benin then, when there was no Ile'Ife as we know it then, it's was a place sparsely populated, the Benin empire got it's footing way before the Yoruba people arranged themselves to have any semblance of a kingdom, infact it was the Edo Prince Ekaladeran who you call Oduduwa was one of the first inhabitants of the area you call Ile'Ife today, then it was a forest, no kingdom yet.

How did you enter Benin to govern it, when you people were still bush men with no warriors or army?

You really believe in oduduwa falling from the sky

All our artefacts, bronze works, painting depict Edo culture, Edo kings, Queens and spirituality, no Ile'Ife or Yoruba influence...as you know these portrait depict the culture heritage of the people back then, and why didn't we imbibe Yoruba language.

Thirdly Edos do not understand Yoruba, yorubas don't understand Edo.

Fourthly why were Aworis, Princes from Ile'Ife paying dues to Benin people for passage in Lagos, as explained by Erelu Dosunmu in a recent interview in vanguard.

How did the Yoruba people enter Benin, to start ruling them without a battle or
Why do Yoruba oba's pay obeisance to Oba of Benin?

Uhe Ife at that point was not a Yoruba land, the Benin people have it that name, then Ile' Ife has not been established as a kingdom,.Ekaladeran who you call oduduwa was one of the first people who settled there, in effect we Edo people are part of your progenitors, you people came under us. Even one of your oba's, oba of Lagos traced his origins, the origin of his throne to Benin not ile'Ife, in an interview, or you know history more than a king?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/sunday-magazine/lagos-oba-traces-origin-to-benin/amp
this is empirical evidence.

Erelu Dosunmu here as well clearly tracing the roots of the kingship and authority to Benin not Ile ' Ife, these are Yoruba kings and Princess, but they know where the throne emanate from- https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/


All the things you started prove nothing and sound dumb, I expect you to come up.with something smarter...give me timelines and empirical evidence.

A slave pays taxes to the master not the other way round, there is no proof to your fables.

Uhe Ife at that point was not an established kingdom or people yet, just aboriginal Yoruba men scattered in the bushes, am talking of early as 600 AD...so a Benin prince was one of your progenitors and god (oduduwa).

Why didn't Ile'Ife able to build the type of monuments built in Benin, if it was so great, the Benin wall, the moat, the modern city state, Benin people had slaves who were yorubas and igbos to help build those monuments, you can't build soluch world wonders without slaves.

Current empirical evidence clearly shows who the greater kingdom was, the great wall, the great military exploits, taxing aworis and everyone else for access to Lagos.

Your points are hereby squashed, and can't hold, you better be proud of your own heritage and stop claiming the glory of Edos, or go meet the Oba of Lagos or an honest traditionalists to enlighten you.

Ignoramus it is of course settled, Yoruba is an offshoot of Benin.

EMILO2STAY:
what is wrong with this one!!! I give your fact, you say I am quoting religious book. where did the term jew come from, is it not the bible? where did the term israelite come from? see I have no time to waste on any one who quotes me to say nonsense.

you definitely have run out of what to say ...

Did you know ottoman empire, representatives of Islam stole that land from the Jews way back, before taking back from them by the Europeans?

The land originally Jerusalem was where Solomon's temple was, was Solomon a Palestinian?

Olu317:
Oduduwa was already dead when Igodomigodo had opportunity to beg ileife to help resolve the problem of chaos.

Obalufon 1 alias "Ogbogbodirin" was on the throne during 1100s before Oranmiyan used Usen as a launch pad to establish Yoruba dynasty of Oduduwa in 1170 AD to form Oba dynasty in Igodomigodo turned in to Binu . So, stop making false claims

Funny set of ifatẹ́ẹ́rù tí ṣé ọmọ igodo

Talk facts speak intelligently, a people that had a set system of crowning kings will go beg for a king?

You are talking fables, your timeline is wrong hence your submission is false and myths, Benin empire began in AD 900, 1170 AD is about 200 years later, no Yoruba man ever ruled Benin, this is neither reasonable or logical, that a people with an established set of kingship will go looking for a king outside, and oduduwa falling from the sky bla bla bla, is all fables, the person you call your god oduduwa was a Benin prince called Ekaladeran, that is why his son oranmiyan was allowed to rule Benin only temporarily, but he too was later expelled by the king makers in Benin because they felt they needed a prince that was born, raised in Benin, his father the person you call oduduwa called Ekaladeran in Benin, is a Benin Prince that was exiled, he bore him (oranmiyan) outside Benin with a foreign woman, hence the kingmakers eventually booted Oranmiyan out.

Ekaladeran went and resided in an area known as Uhe (ife) then, and Ile'Ife today, after being exiled following a Palace intrigue or tussle...then the area was a forest uninhabited, no Ile'Ife kingdom yet, these were the beginning times, when Oduduwa or Ekaladeran's father died, he was the heir to the throne, so king makers sent emissaries to search for him, then he had became prominent in the area he settled, known as Uhe (ife) then, and called Ile'Ife now, when they asked him to return to become king after his father, because the strict hereditary system must be followed, as they already had kings and an established hereditary system of kingship, but due to old age or the oath he made of never setting foot in Benin again, he sent his son Oranmiyan to become king in his stead...our empire was earlier, bigger and stronger than Ile'Ife's.

Yorubas twisted this narrative to suite their ego, your fathers lie to you, if it doesn't make sense, it can't be true. At that time ile'ife was not established yet, the whole area was forest and pocket of inhabitants. 'Oduduwa' was a Benin Prince.

To know Edo state was ahead of ile'ife and Yoruba culture, you will observe that today, not one single Yoruba language is spoken in Edo state, all the artistry and bronze work created in Benin depicted Benin kings, Queens and Symbols, not one depict ile'ife kings or symbols, if you ruled a place you would influence them, but rather it's the Edo people that influence Yoruba. Secondly the Aworis Ile'Ife princes paid taxes to Benin warriors to gain access into Lagos, if ile'Ife and Benin had such connection they won't have to pay. Use.your head, if it doesn't make sense, it's not true. Saying oduduwa fell from the sky etc, is all fables, all the Yoruba stories shared on this topic are fables.

How can the Benin people that have had several kings suddenly wake up and go get an outside king?

Why isn't t the ile'Ife influence seen in our artworks, language, culture or traditions?

How did the Ile Ife people come into Benin, when at that point of the creation of Benin, there was no organized state in the area Ile' Ife is now, just forests and pockets of people. Are you saying Edos and yorubas are one, I don't understand how yorubas emerged in the midst of Edo people, there is quite a distance between the two geographical location.

To occupy and rule a people as strong and stubborn as the Benin you needed to wage a war and capitulate them, no such history of war between Yoruba and Benin exists.

Why are they no indegenous Edos in youruba land, and yorubas in Edo, since time immemorial. Stop this dumb talk and face reality, don't claim our glory.

Yorubas were part of the slaves, including igbos that the Benin kingdom used to build his city wall, benin moat etc. Benin people were conquerors, very proud, it will take a battle and it's capitulation for them to allow outsiders rule them, but the only people known to defeat them are the British.

You people should stop listening to fables of oduduwa coming from the sky, the person you call oduduwa was a Benin prince. Benin empire's greatness and strength precede ile'Ife, in terms of where it stretched to and influence, going all the way to Lagos, South east fringes and Dahomey.

Listen to what Erelu dosumu said about the Benin empire collecting taxes from Aworis, if truly Ile'Ife had such clout over Benin they won't pay tax. This is an interview, verifiable, not stupid fables, the strong tax the weak not the other way round. Benin people and yorubas never had such close relationship the way you people make it seem, don't steal our glory. Be proud of your own history, or is it not big or fascinating enough, lol.

Read the interview- https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

EMILO2STAY:
that is where you are wrong. read romans 2:28-29, that verse is talking about a people albeit a spiritual people of God.

it was written when only the tribe of juda remained after about 10 tribes where lost. so the remaining israelites from the tribe of juda where becoming proud of their heritage as descendant of abraham thinking they will be saved because of their bloodline hence the reason for pauls letter addressing the belivers as the true jews or people of God.

the term jew is originally used to refer to a person who is from the tribe of juda. jesus is also from the tribe of juda so he is a jew.

We are talking fact and rationality you are quoting religious book...are Palestine ottoman people that forcefully took that land from ancient Jewish inhabitants, what gave them the right to call the land theirs?

Very bad and unprofessional, she is not the robber, Nigerian police should be more proffesional than this, investigate properly instead of destroying her image and tormenting her

CBN should ban use of dollars in Nigeria

A brief history class, to set the record straight.

Long live the great empire state.

For those of you who got the story twisted, Oranmiyan was the son of a Benin prince Ekaladeran, who was exiled, he went to a place known today as Ile'ife, called Uhe (Ife) then, and became prominent there. When his father, the king died, they searched for him to become the new king, he instead sent his son Oranmiyan (who was born in the area known as ile'ife today), perhaps due to his old age, and an oath he took after his exile never to set foot on Benin again, and that was how Oranmiyan ruled Benin briefly, his father was a full blooded Benin man that was on exile in Ile'ife...the dynasty has seen previous kings before Oranmiyan came into the picture, as it was the practice that a king is succeeded by his first son.

The mythical Oduduwa falling from the sky, is as false and unbelievable as it sounds, a myth, fables... falling from the sky to become king, in a land where they had a set system of crowning kings, which is by inheritance, the firstborn becomes King, when a king dies...and several kings had ruled ogodomigodo before the Oranmiyan episode, he was not the first king of Benin, he was the son of Ekaladeran, an heir to the throne.

The dynasty, throne, greatness and glory strictly belongs to the Edo people, that's why the bronze works and artistry depict Edo culture, spirituality and heritage, most of the artwork depicted the Edo kings, Queens, and symbols, secondly no Yoruba influence in our language, culture, traditions, it is distinct...in other words, the kingdom and throne was established by the Edos and ruled by the Edo people from the igodomigodo dynasty till now, Oranmiyan had an Edo father, his father was an exiled Edo Prince, an heir to the throne.

Read the full piece by By Ambrose Osawe

Benin, once known as Igodomigodo, was the kingdom of rulers who regarded themselves as sky-kings, those whose divine rule is derived from the sky – Ogiso. At the eclipse of this dynasty, there was still no authentic heir to the throne, Owodo; the last of the Ogisos was desperate for a successor. His only heir, Ekaladerhan, being the son of an unfavoured queen (Arukho), had little or no prospect of succeeding his father as he was entrapped in a web of palace intrigues with the sole aim of depriving him succeed his father.

A plot purported to be the wish of the gods was eventually hatched to eliminate him.

The executioners, sensing intrigue and betrayal, spared his life. He secretly sojourned westward into a community the Binis called Uhe (Ife). At Uhe (Ife), he assumed the title of Oduduwa (I have sought my path of prosperity).
Back home, the last of the Ogisos died without producing a heir to his throne. During the period of interregnum, a republican called Evian as administrator of the kingdom was succeeded by Ogiamien who became overzealous and ambitious. He wanted to perpetuate Evians hegemony in
Benin. In order to sustain the age old tradition of primogeniture, the elders resolved to set up a search party to trace the whereabouts of Ekaladerhan, the only surviving heir of Ogiso Owodo.

The elders, headed by Oliha, who were opposed to the overbearing nature of Ogiamien, were resolute to invite Ekaladerhan home to take over his rightful position as heir apparent. It became evident that the system of succession (father to son) had been the culture of the Binis since inception. It is therefore obvious there was an existing kingdom under the rule of the Ogisos before the establishment of Eweka I dynasty.

It is also beyond doubt that this practice had been with the Binis before the establishment of the present dynasty of which Erediauwa is the 38th Oba in an unbroken succession since Eweka I in 900AD.

A delegation of nobilities, under the leadership of Oliha, eventually arrived at Ile-Ife and implored Ekaladerhan to return to Benin. At the time the emissaries reached him, he yelled in excitement, ‘Ewore ka,’ meaning the nucleus or the source, heart or soul of the flow will never go dry. He was assured of his safety and the hope of making him the ruler of the kingdom. The aged prince refused the invitation and promised that he would rather delegate power to one of his sons

Ekaladerhan’s refusal to honour the elders’ invitation could be subject to many interpretations. Firstly, he must have become so old that he felt it unreasonable to move to Benin. Secondly, he had adapted himself to the culture of his new environment that he would prefer to remain.

He was, in fact, the leader of the community as a result of his ingenuity and prowess in all aspects of community enterprise.

Thirdly, he probably wanted to abide by the pledge he made that he would not set his foot on the Benin soil again.

However, Ekaladerhan entrusted his son, Oranmiyan, into the care of Oliha who had promised to ensure his protection. Oranmiyan’s reign in Benin was short-lived. His departure from Benin was dictated by two factors. One, he was greatly embarrassed by the opposition of Ogiamien and his adherents.

Two, Oranmiyan’s cultural background was in conflict with the custom and tradition of Binis.

On his way back to Ile-Ife, Oranmiyan had a short stay at Ego where he impregnated Erhinmwinde, the daughter of the Enogie. This affair resulted in the birth of Eweka 1.

Femi Fani Kayode’s write up in Sunday Vanguard of May 26, 2013 at pages 20-21 entitled, ‘Who are the Yoruba People?,’ was quite interesting.

But while discussing the Ife-Benin relationship, like some others before him, he too fell into a similar error by referring to old Benin Empire as one of the kingdoms established by Oduduwa’s progeny. He also wondered how the name Yoruba came about. Mr. Femi Fani Kayode, a lawyer and former minister, is probably influenced by a vengeful clique of revisionist theorists and court jesters commissioned to deliberately rewrite the history of the Yoruba vis-à-vis Ife/Benin relationship to assuage the hurt ego of some monarchs in search of contemporary political relevance. History has today, therefore, become an intellectual pawn in the pen and armour of ethnocentrics as forerunners of empire builders and irredentist adventurers.

I would, therefore, proceed by avoiding historical pitfalls which has become the lot of some bubbling Afrocentrics who seize every opportunity to re-invent myths as favourable facts of history.

YORUBA is not originally a Yoruba word. Rather, it is a corruption of Iyoya rruoba (I have gone to pay my homage to the Oba). It is a Bini word corrupted into Yoruba which Fani Kayode queried. He wrote “yet the fact of the matter is that the word ‘Yoruba’ has no meaning in our language or any other language that is known to man.… For all we know it could even be a deep and ancient insult….”

Read full article here-
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2013/06/benin-kingdom-of-the-sky-kings/amp/

Civilized people, Israel is targeting Hamas terrorists organization, despite the fact that Palestinian people supported Hamas terrorists attacks on isreali innocent people, Israel is targeting only Hamas. God bless Israel and all civilized people of the world. There is a war between civilized people and barbarians.

Neckpresser101:
But they couldn't save northern Edo laff don kill me


Infact Igbos are the only big tribe that wasn't conquered by Islam

As soon as the British merged the tribes, and created Nigeria, the military of federal government became the only legal army and Nigeria police became the only legal police...at this point people willingly accepted either Christianity or Islam. Fool. Nigeria became a country in the late 18th century, so if they choose to be Muslims so be it, it's their choice.

We know who the warriors and conquerors are, when it was free for all, you people were our slaves, if not for the British you people will still be our slaves till today...as for Muslims in auchi it's their choice to be Muslims, Usman Dan fodio was scared of Benin empire. See how you dey laff at your stupidity like a slave you are.

Neckpresser101:
who first did iron smithing in southern Nigeria?


Which people did the first bronze work

Which people built the only pyramids in Nigeria.

When you answer these questions you'll see that you lots are uninformed

Nobody is arguing that there were some indigenous igboid people living in the south eastern lands from way back, yes I know igboid people were great blacksmith then, but you people never had the strength or skill to create an empire, Benin had an empire, wealthy, with military and slaves, so it's very likely that most of your people were captured to work for the empire. Thank God the dynasty is still very much alive...the culture, traditions and spirituality are uniquely Benin and different. If you see Benin bronze works, the depictions are of Benin kings, Queens, symbols and artistry...that shows all was in service to the great empire.

Bendeco2020:
Bush men but very strong.

You think to conquer bush men easy?

Oga assuming that Britain didn't arrive then. They will keep invading till they overun you guys.

For how long will you keep defending instead of attacking?

Who installed islam in Auchi, Edo state?

Auchi is a free place, when Nigeria became one, federal government and federal army is in charge of the nation security, Nigeria is a free country, if they choose to be Muslims, so be it. Mumu, you are very dumb. As soon as Nigeria became one, no state can have its own army, we became a circular nation.

The Benin empire had no interest to force our culture on anyone, we only expanded to Lagos for trade purposes, we have always been wise, any man can choose to worship his Creator the way he likes. Igbo slaves built our walls and empire. One of the reasons for biafra war is because ojukwu raised his army. As soon as Nigeria became one, the constitution controls all, the army and federal police are the only force or police allowed. Idiot.

spearman:
Benin moat was built with Ibo slave labor. No great civilization builds monuments with the labor of their own free born citizens.

That is what I was telling the clown, all these things built by the Benin empire, showed most of them were our slaves, it takes a lot of labor to build such marvels, the Portuguese confirmed that it is longer than the great wall of china. The Benin empire is a great one.

Bendeco2020:


Be lying and giving yourself hope.

If you meet strong tribe you will know. Same Benin that a Fulani abi na Hausa man cutoff a woman's head last year and all the crowd there were just making noise till police arrive and took off the Fulani Man.

Am not even seeing Benin as a tough tribe.

If they could they would, even today the fulanis are trying to encroach south, between the start of the jihad of Usman Dan fodio and when the British came to Benin was 80 years, 80 years is enough for the Fulani jihadist to take the south if they could, they tried but were chased back by the military of the Benin empire. The fulanis didn't go back by themselves they were chases back, their plan was to force us all to become Muslims. When you people were bush men, Benin empire had civilized states, and an army that can raise 10,000 men within days. If not for Benin empire you would be a Muslim today. Show respect to the gods of the earth. Nnamdi Azikiwe the greatest Igbo man that lived is telling you in his book, and you are still arguing.

Have you seen Benin city walls, longer than the walls of China, have you seen the Benin moat, a defense mechanism built by the empire thousands of years ago, when your progenitors were bush men. You are a slave, we are gods and kings. History is history, what a slave like you think is inconsequential.

Bendeco2020:
Shut up. Howmany or large is Benin Empire for Fulani to conquer when they already conquered bigger tribes up North.

Like I told you, thank God for Britain that stopped them.

All of you were slaves of the empire then, Igbo as a people was created by Benin empire. You are a fool see the timelines cowards. A people that collected taxes from aworis to access Lagos...ask your grandfather about the gods of the earth. Slave. If you don't know history, learn and stop talking nonsense. Usman Dan fodio tried encroachment of south but was stopped by the military of the Benin empire. There is 80 years period between when Usman Dan fodio came with his Fulani foot soldiers to force us West Africans, to become Muslims, and the period the British came to Benin. 80 years is enough to invade Benin, but they were pushed back .. fulanis knows their boundaries even then and now.

It's a shame Africans destroy themselves from brainwashing from Arab

That's why all terrorists claim Islam, that peace they tell is means, peace for only those that are with them, no peace for others.

Bendeco2020:
Be deceiving yourself.

So Britain are afraid of Benin empire?

Fulani conquered north, britain came conquered and took over North from them.

If North for Britain, Fulan would over run Benin.

U dey measure dick with Britain, first fight your mate first.

How did islam enetered Auchi (Edo State)?

Mumu look at the timelines, Fulani people were scared of the great empire, Usman Dan fodio has ransacked Hausa lands, and was stopped by the Benin warriors, Usman Dan fodio jihad started in 1804, and the British invaded Benin in 1890, fool. So the timelines don't match your argument, Usman Dan fodio and his Fulani jihadist were afraid of the Benin empire, if they could they would, the time between the jihad and British invasion of Benin was 80 years, what stopped Usman Dan fodio all these 80 years. Dumb head, you better be greatful for Benin empire otherwise all of you will be Muslims now.

The colonial thieves were so afraid of Benin empire, they quickly came up with Wazobia, when in reality, Benin empire created Onitsha. Long live the great Benin empire.only fools that do not know history will take that wazobia contraption created by the colonial thieves serious. WAZOBIA is a farce, a fake contraption of the British, because they were afraid of ascribing any powers to the great Benin people.

FreeStuffsNG:
Now you have allowed them to confuse you. There are Christians on both sides where killing is taking place. Isreal is not the victim so let's pocket the hypocrisy. My point is that you should pray for all Christians on both sides. The Aljazeera journalist killed by same Isreali forces few months ago is a Palestinian Christian. Her broad daylight killing was not condemned just like other innocent Palestinians killed. The fair thing is to pray for peace and comfort for grieving families on both sides

It's a war against terrorists and barbarity, Palestinian people voted for and celebrate when Hamas kidnapped and killed Israeli citizens unprovoked.

Hamas knew this would happen, I think Hamas wants Palestine destroyed. Don't go looking for trouble,. everyone is angry. The ottoman empire stole that land from the Jews, that land originally belong to king Solomon a Zionist king under the religion of Judaism.

Basiljoe:
Useless broke wretched nincompoop. You are the evidence of your father's stupidity. Useless he goat.

Dumb fool, am sure your witch mother made you broke and useless. You are the one who said your mom hate you

Subhumans.

EMILO2STAY:
this is nonsense realy,.. jewish religion does not make you a real jew. you have no argument here.

Jew is not a country or people, Jews are followers of Judaism, Jesus is from Nazareth, they call themselves Jew because of their religion, Judaism.

Basiljoe:
You and your family are bastards. You all are bastards and fools.

Mumu, with a witchcraft mother, subhumans are who don't love their family, animals.

EMILO2STAY:
how is it illegal. a people who have been occupying a land for over 1800years is what your calling illegal occupiers.

the jews dispersed by the Romans are not the people you call jews today.

Once they accept the religion of the Jews they have a right to claim the land...the present day Palestinians are not same peoples as ottomans.

Tell them, they will be recounting the history from 1970s, the Ottoman empire, representatives of Islam, stole that land from Jews.

Same way all Muslims stand with Hamas. Fair game.

America is a Christian nation.

Idiotseverywher:
, you are an idiot, deep down in your mind, you know that you are a disappointment to your family by thinking and acting like an idiot, you don't have sense, ANUS, old man that steal meat from the put, you are not ashamed of coming in the open forum to show how stupid you are

You calling yourself obidiiot to a failed mediocre should be ashamed.