Doylestown92: So? Let's say he does watches YouTube channels, what's wrong? I want to know.
90% of YouTube is misinformation. That's what's wrong. Anybody can post anything and because it's video it's very easy to fool people with deceptive logic combined with manipulated video clips.
Elxandre: You're not serious. Who is Diddy to own more shares than Elon Musk in Twitter ? He's barely even a billionaire. Check again, elon has the biggest share in Twitter!
Doylestown92: What's not being serious here? I believe your mind should be open to knowledge, void of whatever sentiment you are baptized in.
He probably got the nonsense from YouTube - doyen of misinformation! See below
Stephench: Musk is not hitting 300 billion instead he'll plummet. He'll run twitter aground. Tesla is struggling although - would have been destroyed if he was given more hand than he currently has. Space X has some good potentials but it's already at its height. He's a very good salesman but most of the world has seen him for what he is and it's going to affect him
You're wrong. He has a million other business ideas and interests. You forget his boring company. His wealth is NOT from salesmanship but from innovation, risk-taking, and always working
RodgersAkpafu: he actually has a point look at how quickly zoom lost value between 2020 and 2024 valuation metrics though not totally rubbish, need some tweaking here and there
Valuing a business at billions of dollars when they are burning cash quarter after quarter with no profits, be it gross or net to me does not feel right
If the business finally "shows workings" are now Cash flow profit plus positive /fat net profit, then we can understand
long story short let's be open minded
But his post is wrong. Misinformation because Forbes will have the man's networth as $100K
SmartPolician: I think the world needs to re-evaluate how individual wealth is measured.
A man has a business idea, pitches it to venture capitalists and raises $200k in equity capital of 20%.
He sells 70% of his business in shares and raises another $700k.
The business is worth $1 million with founder owning 10% of the business or $100k.
He's called the world's richest man whereas he has only $100k out of the $1 million business value.
PinkNature: All this calculations on top another person money.
Pascal9: you are wiser than Forbes and Bloomberg, local man with local reasoning. Someone created businesses that is changing the world and you are here spinning rubbish.
His calculation is WRONG! Oga stop spreading misinformation. Forbes will put this man's networth at $100K - exactly what he is worth.
MindHacker9009: Your mind is still that of a baby that's why you cannot comprehend my comments and itelligent questions.
I don't think you and "intelligent questions" go together. Elon Musk already answered all the questions about moon landing. Google it. He knows more than your YouTube nut, and he KNOWS for sure US went to the moon!
MindHacker9009: Your problem is that you lack comprehension and the ability to reason critically. That's why you don't know the meaning of FUNDAMENTAL questions and you find sensible explanations too long for you to comprehend and you feel it's like your rambling commentary.
Read this from a former chief of Russian space agency Roscosmos about the moon landing:A former chief of Russian space agency Roscosmos has voiced doubt over the authenticity of the 1969 Apollo 11 Moon landing.“About 10 years ago, when I worked in the government, I sent an official request to Roscosmos to provide me with documentary evidence of the Americans' stay on the moon,” Dmitry Rogozin said in a statement on Telegram on Sunday. Rogozin said that he was “embarrassed” about the return of Soviet cosmonauts from space expeditions barely able to stand on their feet and undergoing long recoveries, while US astronauts crawled out of their lunar ships, in his words, “like cucumbers from the garden.” https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/russia-s-former-space-chief-doubts-us-landing-on-moon/2892170
These Jewish Messiahs were not old men with flowing white beards when went into battle and defeated the enemies of Israel. This shows you have nothing sensible to say except your usual garbage.
Joshua: Likely in his 40s during his first battle against the Amalekites. David: Likely in his late teens when he fought Goliath. Samson: Likely in his 20s or early 30s during his early acts against the Philistines.
See STUPIDITY! Russia was in COLD WAR with US. Never mind the "cold" it was virtually war. And anything is fair in war. You don't think USSR would be jumping up and down like Evander Holyfield after Tyson bit his ear if they detect ANY iota of cheating by US? And US KNEW it too and dared not try any nonsense. Ten years later you bury your head in YouTube and start quoting some fool!
Those people were not invented! Nobody would invent a messiah for Jews to keep them from attacking Rome and invent a 30 year old guy, or invent the Jesus we have in OT. Simply impossible. He said he came to die for sins of the world NOT to help Jews with Rome (which would have made sense). He said his kingdom was not of this world (you invent a messiah for Jews and make him say that!). He said powerful Rome can't keep him dead - he'd rise on the 3rd day (which he did). He went about calling Jewish leaders hypocrites and whitened sepulcher - the same Jews you're trying to ingratiate. He said Rome would destroy Jerusalem and not a stone would be left on top another, which happened on schedule (and you want Jews to clap for him). He said God didn't need Israel, that He can raise descendants for Abraham even from stones!
MindHacker9009: 1. So to you no one two thousand years ago can invent their own stories and say it was inspired by God when only those at the top and those in the leadership circle could read and write. On YouTube professionals present their facts and if possible their own evidence to support their claims and it's up to anyone else who does not agree to present their own facts to counter those presented. Those who say on YouTube that the moon landing is fake includes those who worked on the moon landing project and scientists that have analysed the videos of the moon landing and presented their own findings to support their claim that it is fake. You have no evidence to support your claim that the moon landing was true, you only believe what you were told just like you were told about the fake virgin birth, the fake resurrection and the fake ascension and you believed them like a kid so that you can you use it the scam those that are gullible. I know it makes sense to you when those who faked the moon landing say they have lost the technology that was used for the moon landing because nonsense like that is what makes sense to you.
2. If Nigeria should go and conquer Ghana and bring Ghanaians still holding on to their belief to Nigeria what stops the rulers in Nigeria from inventing a half man half God of the Ghanaians which becomes a combination of Ghana's belief in only one True God and an already belief in Nigeria of a man God and this is made the new official religion of Nigeria.
3. Even if Nigerian rulers today should make a new religion the official religion does that mean the rulers themselves are following the official religion or the official religion is just a political tool to control the people and unite the nation.
4. Why is the Bible copyrighted? If it only contains the inspired words of God, does that mean for the last two thousand years no one else has had any new inspiration from God that can be added to the Bible.
You lack the ability to reason critically that's why sensible stuff sounds like nonsense to you.
Your problem is that you don't ask FUNDAMENTAL questions. You start in the middle and write loong, rambling commentary. WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!!!
Moon landing. Here's the fundamental question you should have asked right away: Russia was in breack-neck competition with US as to who'd first land on the moon. Russia had the technology to call out ANY cheating whatsoever by US and really shame the country. YET, when US said they've beaten USSR to the moon, they humbly accepted defeat. You don't think they made sure there was no iota of cheating b4 doing that??! It was only years later that some conspiracy nut without Russia's technology came up with ridiculous "moon landing was a hoax" and of course rushed to YouTube!
Here's another example of fundamental question: why would ANYONE invent a 30-year-old messiah?? Why not a wise, old man with flowing white beard, which people will more readily respect and accept?!)
FxMasterz: I don't think I'll like to drag this any further because you don't seem to grasp anything I said.
1. Adam was not naked! He was covered with God's glory. When he became naked after the glory departed, he knew it.
2. Being super intelligence does not mean you must know about the existence of evil.
3. Please tell the reason why God placed a forbidden tree in the garden if you have Devine revelation.
4. Give me proof that Adam didn't eat of the tree of life. No need to argue.
Man, I have been studying the Bible for over 30yrs. I am not a conventional Bible student who takes whatever I'm told without examining the facts.
If you think you have anything you want to say about the Bible contrary to what we can see in the Bible, then, let's begin.
1. Adam and Eve were created naked (Genesis 2:25) and felt no shame. When they fell, they experienced shame over their unclothedness (Genesis 3:6-7). The Bible doesn’t say anything about they were clothed in glory or white light or anything they lost and became naked. They were stark NAKED but not ashamed at all - just like little children. God actually asked Adam "how do you know you're naked?"
2. Really? How would "super intelligent" you avoid being fooled by evil Satan. Note, it doesn't say they can't be touched by evil. It is not about knowing the existence of evil, it is about knowing the DIFFERENCE! You CAN'T sin if you don't know the difference between good and evil!
3. That's the limit of human logic which you keep trying to apply to everything!
4. Very simple. God knows how to talk, you don't have to put words in His mouth. He could have said "lest they keep eating the life tree and stay immortal". Instead He said "lest they stretch their hands and ALSO eat of the tree of life and BECOME immortal like us"!!
These are EXACTLY what are in the Bible. You keep trying to add your own!😁
FxMasterz: The Bible says in Genesis 1:26 - 28 that God gave the Dominion to Adam. He was given rule over all things. Adam was very knowledgeable in his glorious state. He was a prince in his own domain. Can we even start to teach you about these things also. They're clearly in the Bible. Adam gave names to everything on earth in one day and still could remember the name he gave to each and everything. That's super intelligence. Such intelligence is not available to us in our fallen state. Psalm 115:16 says God gave the earth to man. Man is not what man used to be at the beginning. It would be myopic of you to see man only as he is in his fallen state. Please take your Bible for yourself and read.
Hey! Who are you to say man couldn't rule when God gave the dominion of the whole earth to man? You don't actually know the scriptures. Did you answer the questions I asked you in my previous post? Answer them please.
My friend, when Scholars said they never ate of it, were they not adding to the Bible? Did the Bible ever say they never ate of it? Yet, you believed it without examination!
Did Eve not tell the serpent that they do eat of ALL the trees in the garden except that one in the middle of the garden that was banned?
The bolded in that scripture is the stated reason why God said the man has become like one of them - he now knows good and evil. Simple! Even Satan told them they'll become like God 'knowing good and evil.' Immortality is what they already had. The knowledge of good and evil was what they didn't have. And that was the only addition that made them become like God.
They now could die but a taste of the tree of life would restore eternal life. O man, "Death came into the world through the forbidden fruit." It was not originally in the world. That is why God will cast death to hell at the end of time.
Eve actually told the serpent they were eating all Fruits except the forbidden one. You have to be insincere to even say they never ate of the fruit of life which was given them by God to eat. Meanwhile they left that one and ate the forbidden one. Hen? This your theology sef, e get as e be.
Go read your Bible again!
My friend, God put the forbidden fruit in the garden because loyalty cannot be judged until it is tested. God wants to know that the man is truly obedient when he has the opportunity to disobey but yet, chooses to obey. That means he's not a zombie and his obedience to God is genuine. That's the kind of obedience God wants. Your obedience carries no weight when you do not have the opportunity to disobey.
I'm just amazed you don't realize how CONVOLUTED you sound. You and that other guy saying Christ was a Roman invention.
Like I've said, people with "super intelligence" know they're naked when they are, and know the difference between good and bad!
Soo God wants to know that man was obedient (don't confuse with Peter Obi follower😁), and of all the millions of ways He could test it, it was a way that would irretrievably destroy man's innocence and immortality! And it wasn't that the tree was hard to reach. And it wasn't that they were left alone to see if they'll obey - nooo, extremely wise Satan whom they were "rulling over" was introduced to tempt them - not Adam who was given the commandment o, but Eve who wasn't even created yet! I wonder what Eve said to Adam b4 he also ate the fruit. Must have been something like "Adam, you moroṅ, you're naked!"😆
As for tree of life, God gave Adam and Eve characteristics of fruits they were to eat. There is no proof life fruit meet those characteristics. And it was in the middle of the garden right next to knowledge fruit for a reason. Anyway, people who spent their lives studying the Bible and pondering these things have concluded they did NOT eat it. Who are you?? And, no, they're NOT adding to the Bible - their conclusion is the conclusion any reasonable person will reach from the words.
As for immortality, please know the difference between extremely long life and immortality. God said they would die if they ate, but Adam lived about 1000 years. Maybe if they didn't eat they'd live to a million. But the question you haven't answered: what was the life tree doing there if they were created immortal?
FxMasterz: The Bible says in Genesis 1:26 - 28 that God gave the Dominion to Adam. He was given rule over all things. Adam was very knowledgeable in his glorious state. He was a prince in his own domain. Can we even start to teach you about these things
I edited my post. See it below. Try not to respond with stupid human logic. Adam did not know he was naked, probably did not know he had a body, what a wise man! >>>>>>>>>>>
I take it you have accepted that mindless Adam and Eve, without even self-awareness, cannot rule over anything, talkless of knowledgeable Satan. Also, Satan and other angels had knowledge of good and evil yet could live forever. So QED on those ones.
As for the life fruit, I told you these things are beyond human logic! Also, I hope you know you shouldn't be adding words to the Bible. Here's what God told them in Genesis 1:29: "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food". We don’t know if the life fruit had seed in it. But nowhere does it say the life fruit was their normal food, and the consensus of SCHOLARS is that they never ate of it. Hence the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” You have to be really insincere to read that statement and conclude it says they were already eating the fruit. We don’t know if their BODIES were immortal or to what extent. If it were physical death then Christ's work would have corrected it but it doesn't - what it corrects is spiritual death.
But beyond all these, using human logic, why would God put the knowledge tree in the garden in the first place?? Who can resist eating it for ETERNITY (assuming physical immortality)? Not only that, He also allowed Satan around to tempt the woman who wasn't around when the commandment was issued! It was Adam alone He gave the commandment, before Eve was created. (And when Eve ate the fruit Adam could see clearly she did not die😁). Not only that, once they ate the fruit why couldn't omnipotent God wipe their memory and restore them to mindlessness - the way He liked them?? Or destroy them and create new ones, minus tree?
Bottom line: don't reason these things with limited human reasoning!
FxMasterz: The tree of Life was their normal food.
Ask yourself, why would God create humans that die? Why did God say if you eat the fruit, you'll die? Why did Jesus have to come and restore eternal life? Why would there be a new heaven and a new earth where immortality reigns if that wasn't God's original plan. Or you don't know that our coming immortality is simply a restoration?
Man doesn't die, we only die because of a sinful nature. Man can never die. He can only depart earth and translate. He lives forever whether in heaven or hell! Man is an eternal being.
The fact that death itself would be cast into hell is proof that death itself is a violation of in our world. Revelation 20:14.
In the beginning, God created man to live on earth forever. He had no plan of translation to heaven or hell until sin crept into our lives. The glory of God departed and we earned ourselves a dying body.
I take it you have accepted that mindless Adam and Eve, without even self-awareness, cannot rule over anything, talkless of knowledgeable Satan. Also, Satan and other angels had knowledge of good and evil yet could live forever. So QED on those ones.
As for the life fruit, I told you these things are beyond human logic! Also, I hope you know you shouldn't be adding words to the Bible. Here's what God told them in Genesis 1:29: "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food". We don’t know if the life fruit had seed in it. But nowhere does it say the life fruit was their normal food, and the consensus of SCHOLARS is that they never ate of it. Hence the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” You have to be really insincere to read that statement and conclude it says they were already eating the fruit. We don’t know if their BODIES were immortal or to what extent. If it were physical death then Christ's work would have corrected it but it doesn't - what it corrects is spiritual death.
But beyond all these, using human logic, why would God put the knowledge tree in the garden in the first place?? Who can resist eating it for ETERNITY (assuming physical immortality)? Not only that, He also allowed Satan around to tempt the woman who wasn't around when the commandment was issued! It was Adam alone He gave the commandment, before Eve was created. (And when Eve ate the fruit Adam could see clearly she did not die😁). Not only that, once they ate the fruit why couldn't omnipotent God wipe their memory and restore them to mindlessness - the way He liked them?? Or destroy them and create new ones, minus tree?
Bottom line: don't reason these things with limited human reasoning!
MindHacker9009: You are the one that sounds STUPID, SILLY AND CONVOLUTED. Jesus christ was fist invented as a tool for psychological warfare against the Jews and later used as a political tool first used in the Roman empire to unite the empire and then exported to Africa and the rest of the world. Why was it a good political tool, it's because it was invented from the Jewish Torah due to the power it has on the Jews who gave the Roman empire their greatest battles for over a century.
Referring to yourself as STUPID, SILLY AND CONVOLUTED over an invented Jesus christ which if a doctor, or nurse, or teacher etc should preach at work in the country your KJV came from or Europe that brought the invented Jesus christ to Africa, they should expect to kiss their job good bye. This is because they don't want their people to be deceived.
Because people like you are SCAMMERS using the invented Jesus christ to deceive the gullible and those who are naive, that's why you insult your selves once you see that your scam is being exposed that Jesus christ is an invention of the Roman empire and has nothing to do with God Almighty of the Jewish Original Torah.
MindHacker9009: You are the one that sounds STUPID, SILLY AND CONVOLUTED. Jesus christ was fist invented as a tool for psychological warfare against the Jews and later used as a political tool first used in the Roman empire to unite the empire and then exported to Africa and the rest of the world. Why was it a good political tool, it's because it was invented from the Jewish Torah due to the power it has on the Jews who gave the Roman empire their greatest battles for over a century.
Referring to yourself as STUPID, SILLY AND CONVOLUTED over an invented Jesus christ which if a doctor, or nurse, or teacher etc should preach at work in the country your KJV came from or Europe that brought the invented Jesus christ to Africa, they should expect to kiss their job good bye. This is because they don't want their people to be deceived.
Because people like you are SCAMMERS using the invented Jesus christ to deceive the gullible and those who are naive, that's why you insult your selves once you see that your scam is being exposed that Jesus christ is an invention of the Roman empire and has nothing to do with God Almighty of the Jewish Original Torah.
MindHacker9009: See how STUPID, SILLY AND CONVOLUTED you sound, just because you don't know how powerful YouTube is. For your information YouTube was bought by Google from its original creators for about five billion dollars due to the potentials it has in advancing the information age we are in today. So to you all the live university lectures, research videos, educational videos, programming videos etc on YouTube are all conspiracy nuts! No wonder you are waiting for your invented Jesus christ to come and fix Nigeria for you.
Truth is that you are a SCAMMER that belongs to the stone age. YouTube for your information has made a lot of people to become enlightened today and this will continue and there is nothing SCAMMERS like you that belongs to the stone age can do to stop it other than calling yourselves STUPID, SILLY AND CONVOLUTED.
It is out of pure frustration I said those words. Something you ought have rejected outright is what you entertained to the extent of actually deeming to believe it! Just start with: WHY would Rome write themselves down as the ones who killed the sinless messiah they invented??! Read through stories in NT and mention for me an instant Rome was portrayed in good light. Not to mention the powerful words of Christ himself or the extremely textured stories amd letters in the OT. Have you ever sat down and actually read the Bible? How can those words be about anyone trying to convince people NOT to rebel against Rome? If anything anyone who reads the stories would reject Rome and their god-emolperor!
As for YouTube, it is very easy to forget that ANYONE can post any idea on YouTube no matter how ridiculous (except explicit sex) and throw in deceptive logic, outright lies, and manipulated videos to support it. If you watch YouTube enough you'd believe the earth is flat, Michelle and Kamala are men, Bill Gates is the devil, the moon-landing was a hoax, everybody taking covid vaccine would be dead in two years, etc. Because it is in visual form, it is very easy to forget that 90% of YouTube is misinformation. Which is why it is best you leave it alone. Get your information elsewhere.
Here's that my post again: But the important question (which you dodged because you know you're talking nonsense) is, why would Rome let a Christ they invented transcend their own gods? They no longer believed the sun was god, nor Zeus, nor the emperor. Not only that, the emperor was now a lowly sinner headed to hell. Also, this sinless Christ they invented was not crucified by their enemies but by they themselves! Not only that, all Christ-related stories put their country and leaders in bad light - not a single positive image of Rome in a story they invented! Those Romans must have really suddenly gone bananas😅!
MindHacker9009: Your opinion is not based on critical analysis of the historical information we now have available other than the NT. The point I have been making is that Jesus christ is an invention of the Roman empire and was used as a psychological warfare and later as a political tool within the Roman empire and to the rest of the world where the Europeans have occupied.
Flavius Josephus in order to save his life had to switch to the side of the Roman empire, he was giving a place to stay in the palace of the the Roman emperor and was made to write about the invented Jesus christ and the fake resurrection, to make it look like it is true because it's coming from a Jewish first century prophet and historian. But the truth is that Jews see him as a traitor that betrayed his own people.
There were other people called Jesus in the first century but the half man/ half god was an invention of the Roman empire. It was easy to invent a story of a fake virgin birth, a fake resurrection with all four stories contradicting themselves, fake accession. But it is impossible to fake the second coming even though all the prophecies of the invented Jesus christ came to pass in seventy AD when Jerusalem and the Temple in Jerusalem were destroyed. About the Torah mentioned you can as well ask which Ifa or which Ogun, which Shango or which, which Olókun.
If you really want to understand how the Roman empire invented Jesus Christ then you need to watch this documentary: CAESAR'S MESSIAH: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus - OFFICIAL VERSION.
I KNEW IT!! YouTube is where our man does his research. YouTube, the conspiracy nuts' Bible!
I wrote this earlier:
Do you realize how silly and convoluted you sound?? Every other time Rome simply went to war. This is the ONLY time in history this has ever happened - to defeat a much weaker adversary, you create a messiah for them (whose every story tarnished you). Then when it didn't work, you turn the Messiah on your own people, and use your fake messiah to destroy your own gods that made you a great empire, and your made-up messiah now becomes the only true God! WOW!! DO YOU REALIZE HOW STUPID YOU SOUND??!
And, created by WHOM exactly? ("Rome" is not a person - even King James appended his name to KJV). And what other great works did this our great author write afterwards? This greatest of authors who came up with the powerful words of Christ in the NT couldn't have just stopped there and wrote nothing else!
MindHacker9009: You are the one confused. Christianity was created as a political tool which did not work on the real Jews and was later applied to the Roman empire to unite all their pagan religion under one roof.
Do you realize how silly and convoluted you sound?? Every other time Rome simply went to war. This is the ONLY time in history this has ever happened - to defeat a much weaker adversary, you create a messiah for them (whose every story tarnished you). Then when it didn't work, you turn the Messiah on your own people, and use your fake messiah to destroy your own gods that made you a great empire, and your made-up messiah now becomes the only true God! WOW!! DO YOU REALIZE HOW STUPID YOU SOUND??!
And, created by WHOM exactly? ("Rome" is not a person - even King James appended his name to KJV). And what other great works did this our great author write afterwards? This greatest of authors who came up with the powerful words of Christ in the NT couldn't have just stopped there and wrote nothing else!
God didn't blot out the Robots because He would not destroy on innocent man. And there are always one or two innocent men on earth at any given time.
And of course if God destroys the human race, Satan wins. There are deeper things in that scripture you quoted.
Check the scriptures, angels were called sons of God in Genesis 6 and in Job 38 by the narrator in a metaphoric manner. God never personally called them His sons.
Funny guy. God clearly wanted to destroy but didn't - NOT because of any Satan, but because of Noah. But u have to ADD your own!
Adam and Eve were immortal beings. The tree of life was always in the garden. The only tree they were banned from eating was the tree of knowledge and evil.
"Lest they eat and become like us." Is appropriate statement because they were no longer immortal after eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.
And yes, God has the knowledge of Good and Evil but God will never do evil. Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil in their previous immortal state before their fall. They could only do good.
By eating of the tree of life again, they'll become immortal again, and also have knowledge of good and evil. Thus becoming like God. The people God refered to as 'Us' is the Trinity please. Not angels.
This is truly laughable😅. Ok, so they were already immortal, so what was the use of the tree of life that'd make them immortal?? So God didn't want beings with knowledge to also be immortal. Have you forgotten Satan and the angels?? As to "us", wasn't God referring to immortal beings? Isn't it same as "lest they become immortal like we all are in heaven"?? Na wa 4 u o
FxMasterz: Ha. You should listen to yourself instead. Let me explain.
1. Which tree was God driving man away from after they ate the forbidden fruit? The tree of life.
2. Why was God driving them away from the tree? Because He doesn't want them to become immortal after they've become mortal.
3. Was the tree always in the garden or it just surfaced after they ate the forbidden fruit? Yes, it was always in the garden.
4. If it was always in the garden, were they eating it? Why not?
5. If they were eating the tree or life that was always in then garden, were they immortal? Yes of course. The tree itself makes them immortal.
The truth is that man was not created to die. He was created to live forever. Death came through the fruit they ate. That's why the Bible says "By one man's sin, death came into the world.".
The tree of life was the main food of Adam and Eve. So, if the tree gives immortality, how were they not immortal?
When reading the Bible, follow with your heart and let the Holy Spirit enlighten you, otherwise you'll miss obvious details.
He doesn't include angels in 'us' either. Every 'us' in the Bible refers to the Trinity. There no single angelic reference. Prove me otherwise.
What convoluted explanation! Why not just leave things be? The Bible said "lest they ALSO eat of the tree of life"! See below.
When God said "lest they become immortal like us" , are angels not immortal? Aren't they part of the heavenly host?!
FxMasterz: If God destroyed Satan, His plan has been defeated. If God destroys the first 2 humans, His plans are defeated as well because in both scenarios, dust cannot rule over Satan as planned. Satan thus gets the victory.
God not destroying the "robots" he made had nothing to do with competition with Satan. Here's the reason:
6 And the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the LORD said, “I will blot out man, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—every man and beast and crawling creature and bird of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.”
8 Noah, however, found favor in the eyes of the LORD.
FxMasterz: Man became mortal. He was originally immortal. He'll be immortal again at the close of this age when all things have been restituted. Man has an immortal spirit. A translation from his mortal flesh which came as a result of the fall does not make him mortal.
Please man in his spiritual state is a being created to engage God. Angels cannot do that. Angels will never sit on a throne but man will.
You're looking at physical man while I'm talking to you about the spiritual man.
Angels were referred to as sons of God, not because they were begotten of God but because they came from God's heaven. God has never personally referred to angels as His children. Give me any scripture that does.
God has referred to man as son, friend, confidant, etc.
This is exactly what I mean. I'm not sure you're listening to yourself. How was man immortal when God drove them out lest they also eat of the fruit of life and become immortal "like us". Who do you think was the "us"?
The BIBLE calls them sons of God! And here you are, saying they were not. You know better than the Bible! Who do you think God was talking about when he was always talking about "us"? Has He ever included man in "us" Abeg, just quit.
FxMasterz: Maybe I would have to leave you to yourself before you start abusing me. I have read the Bible over and over, times without number and I'm telling you things that are clearly seen in scripture. I can give you scripture references for all my points. Rather than ask questions, you want to say I am talking nonesense because you think everyone is as limited in biblical knowledge as yourself.
Can you please show me where I said man rules over Satan?
Please go back to what I said. That's what God created man for, and that's what Satan attacked.
This is now a deviation from the original questions asked which I already answered.
God said man would die if he ate the fruit, and that's it exactly. Man died. Two types of death came to man because of the fruit.
1. Spiritual death - a disconnection from God and the loss of God's Glory.
2. Physical death: Man was originally created on earth as an eternal being. Death came because of the fruit. This is why God sent man out of the garden: the man having eaten the forbidden fruits now has the knowledge for evil tendencies - crime and all forms of abominations. He is also now prone to sicknesses and sufferings which were not part of him initially. God didn't want man to live eternally in this state, so, in order to block their access to the tree of life (their regular meal that could restore immortality), God had to send man out of the garden and even place angels with swords in the garden of Eden to guide against any attempt for man to come for the tree of life and restore his immortality (Genesis 3:24).
Satan owns the world because it was delivered to him by Adam. Adam was the god of this world (Psalm 115:16). Man was the owner of the world. As Satan said to Jesus "...it was delivered to me, and I can give it to whosoever I will." Adam was the one who delivered it through disobedience. The dominion Adam had in Genesis 1:26-28 departed from Adam and became Satan's after the fall. Adam was the original lord of this world.
Once you come into Christ, the first thing you receive as a new believer is the restoration of fellowship.
Did you not read in Genesis that God came at the cool of the day to visit Adam and Eve? (Genesis 3:8-10). What was He coming to do? Fellowship and communion of course. He came to earth to enjoy something that was not available to Him in heaven. Have you ever read in the Bible where God has fellowship or communion with angels? You can show me a verse if you have one. Angels are just MESSENGERS. No more, no less. Infact, the meaning of the word 'angel' is messanger. They were created for specific duties only. Fellowship and relationship is not among. God doesn't have any familial relationship with angels as He does with man. Angels are constantly on errands by a word of command from God. God said to mam "Come, let us reason together." Isaiah 1:18. God never reasons together with angels. He simply commands them. There's no such relationship between God and angels to make them reason together. If an angel disobeys God, he is instantly cast out of God's presence without any remedy. If a man disobeys God, the case is different. God will reason it out with him and bring him to see reasons for obedience. He may chastise him or do whatever He can to bring him back. If the man repents, God receives him again after a brief discussion. Reasoning together is a form of fellowship as well.
1 John 1:13 "We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ."
I said I DID NOT want to say u were talking nonsense. See, this is what I mean. Trying to fit logic into things that are impossible to logic. HOW is man who is here today and gone tomorrow superior to immortals. The people you see around you struggling to survive are superior to angel Gabriel! The bible said the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And those "sons of God" are inferior to man. Abegi!
How could a creature who was not even self-aware (before the fruit) rule over ANYTHING, talkless of Satan who had both knowledge and immortality?? Stop trying to explain things that are way beyond you!
FxMasterz: Yeah, things really can't be reasoned with man's limited reasoning. However some of these things still have logical explanations. When talking to unbelievers, it's not best to tell them things cannot be reasoned with human reasoning. Instead, you offer explanations they can easily relate with.
Logic would not completely answer all the questions but it can provide some basic understanding of things.
Omnipotent God CAN destroy the devil He created. He has DECIDED to do that at a latter time. He has the right to do things according to His decisions. He doesn't owe us an explanation for making such decisions but as a human I believe that God is giving Satan a long rope to pull - giving him all the time to repent. He is still God's creation. God loves all His creations nonetheless and does not want to destroy any.
There's no law saying He has to wait. It's His own personal decision, and you cannot know better than Him.
The same way humans were an improvement on angels. They were created in God's image and had been useful in terms of fellowship and communion with God. First, God wanted fellowship and communion which angels couldn't provide, hence He created man.
Secondly, He created man purposely to humiliate the devil. Without knowing the very purpose for which God created man, you'll ask irrelevant questions and still consider yourself intelligent.
After Satan rebelled by wanting to overthrow and rule over God, God created this dust in His image and set this dust over the rebellious archangel. This plan of dust ruling over the fallen archangel was what made the devil to attack man and snatch away the dominion. The punishment was to much for him to swallow. He couldn't hear to be so debased. Otherwise, Satan wouldn't have had any business with man. This is the singular reason why Satan hates man so much. Again, you must know the purpose and the reason why Satan hates man for you to understand why he has distributed so much evils in the world.
The wars and all the evils therein are a consequence of man's disobedience for which he must take responsibility. However, God has provided respite in Christ Jesus for those who would overcome the evil one.
If God destroyed Satan, His plan has been defeated. If God destroys the first 2 humans, His plans are defeated as well because in both scenarios, dust cannot rule over Satan as planned. Satan thus gets the victory.
I won't say you're talking nonsense, but I believe it is better tto say that's just how things are than to lie or give ridiculous explanations. Reminds me of the guy who kept insisting there are no inconsistencies in the Bible.
Can you please explain exactly how man rules over Satan and stronger. In what way?? Remember God created man to NOT have knowledge which Satan already had. And the day he ate the fruit that would impart that knowledge he would die (which Satan already ate and wasn't dying). And after they ate the fruit they were banished so they wouldn't eat life fruit and "become like us" (immortal), which Satan already was. Also, Satan tempted Christ with giving him the world, our world! Also explain the "fellowship and communion" that angels can't give but man can. While at it also explain how man is superior to angels. See, told ya, you can’t reason these things with ridiculously limited human logic!
MindHacker9009: I have given you the answers already but because you are the one that has gone from kuku to totally bonkers and a scammer, that's why you don't make any sense.
Funny thing is that you and your ilk don't understand that expecting Christ in history books is like expecting history of British empire to include some obscure preacher in a village in Ogun state, with no money, no high connections, virtually homeless, virtually no following at his death by crucifixion (which was nothing special because it was common in Rome those days). WHY would a historian of British empire include such a person?? Only his closest eye witnesses would record about him, which was exactly what happened! You confuse what Christ was in the world THEN to what He is in the world NOW!
FxMasterz: Devil was not created as devil. He became one. Devil is not indestructible. His time is already prophesied.
There's a correction consciousness. That's why they hid themselves. They knew something was wrong.
God cannot be defeated. That's exactly what the corrupter wanted God to do, so that God's original purpose can be defeated. God will prove to the corrupter that He can still fulfil His original purpose without destroying the corrupted robots even though the robots are bad.
Why did man suddenly create himself a car when he was already doing just fine with horses?
Your talk is laughable. Why can't omnipotent God simply destroy a devil he created? Who made a law saying He had to wait?? Cars were an improvement over horses of course (laughable). Compare to unchanging God suddenly changing and start creating problem-prone man with attendant wars with a devil he created and can simply destroy! Told u these things can't be reasoned with man's EXTREMELY limited reasoning
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