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@ davifonexe (sorry if i mispelt your name)

The truth of the matter is whether this topic is real or fake is irrelevant - we just need to acknowledge that there are churches that over step the xtianity boundaries.

You say God will judge people for speaking about 'Men of God' the fact of the matter is that there are some that God didnt send - and God will not judge you for talking about them cause they arent his.

I am finding out so many things about God recently because the ministers have pulled the wool over my eyes for so long that it is terrible - its not really their fault becuase 'those that know their God will not be exploited' i didnt know my God and i was exploited big time.

There are just too many churches here in Nigeria and there is no accountability - people are just doing what they want and they are just misleading God's people - and God isnt happy.
He is waiting for His children to get knowledge - 'My people perish for lack of knowledge'.

My prayer is that God will open our eyes to see what we are supposed to see because it s ridiculous. My daughter is nine and God will not let me see any kind of trouble that will make her fast at this age - Baba help me!

The mistakes most parents / people make is that they take their ministers as 'gods' they fear them only more than God himself - it took me a long time to realise and thank God am still learning.

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My sister tell them. All these Churches every street - it has not been the will of God. Satan is seriously working with 95% of the Protestant Pastors. As you are right now, you can open a church in the name of Redeemed. What you only do is to be returning some Percentage (amount) annually to Adeboye who called himself The General Overseer.

That is the very reason Redeemed is scattered everywhere. It is a disgrace to Christianity. It shows the division among Christians. They know, some people can easily identify with them on hearing the name 'Redeemed Church." It is like Nominal or Quacy Partner who never contributed money in the establishment of the business but people uses his name to run business. That is Redeemed Church for you. The Church is a big time Business Enterprise.

There are many of them.



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Taking religion literally is destructive,it is for no brainers and they pass on to innocent children,a vicious circle of doom.Oh,when wil my people see.

Hear what Jesus said to Pharisees in the Bible " Remove the Log of wood in your eyes before you can see clearly to remove that pebble in the eyes of others" Also remember that man who was trying to help the Ark of God He was struck to death. I believe none of you can see better than God. Besides God never appoint you to discipline His messangers. Anyone who fail to read his bible somebody will read it for them.

I want to ask you guys making comments have you any encounter at all with Holy Spirit that can give you ability to discern things and not to allow devil speak through you.

He who have hears let him hear what the Spirit is telling the Church.

No neede to worry if you are in christ. Stay in christ

I don't know if anyone in this house have read a little about a book written by Salman Rushdie. He quated a particular verse of Al-qutran that I feel answers this question.

Sura an-Najm (Star) 53:19-22

In this verse he claimed that When Muhammad and his community came under severe persecution, eighty-three of his followers who had no protection emigrated from Mecca to Ethiopia, taking refuge in the ancient Christian country, Abyssinia. Under increasing boycotts and pressure, Muhammad went through a time of weakness and compromised with the Meccan pagans by acknowledging the existence of three pagan goddesses alongside Allah: Lat, Uzza, and Manat. The Arabian goddesses are mentioned in Sura an-Najm (Star) 53:19-22.

The statement that Allah was involved with female goddesses while Muhammad and his people were left with men, was cynically discussed by author Salman Rushdie. He made the impure account even more obscene. His book was regarded as utterly blasphemous by all Muslims.

Now emphasising this

acknowledging the existence of three pagan goddesses alongside Allah

you will understand that Allah is one of the gods or head of the gods in mecca as at that time. So how can that be the Jehovah; Father of Jesus Christ?

Price please and how durable?

Holiness "Purity in Soul,Mind and Body"

@Dafidixone: To help you out of your Ostrich head in the sand syndrome: Before Abraham was born, by Allah, Who is Holder of my soul, I too, Olabowale was! My soul and all the souls of the children of Adam were already created, removed from the body of Adam (as).

Jesus, son of Mary, came very late, compared to when Abraham came. However, neither Jesus nor any man was before Adam. Read from Chapter 7 of the Qur'an (Suratul Ar'af), verse 172, with related verses from other chapters, on the subject of creation of the children of Adam. Our souls, Jesus and every person that will ever be created, were removed from the back of Adam, at the same time! Thats power, in itself. My beloved christain clergies, davidylan, being the chairman, your answers can not address this complex question. You do not have an answer of any tangible quality in the Bible about this subject. You are only providing us ambiguity at best.

Qur'an, in the explanation below, provides the answer to the question, the poster asked; Those who lived before Jesus, if they followed their respective prophet from God, in belief and worship and do as much good as possible, without associating partner(s) with God, yes, they will be admitted to Paradise. If they associated anything with God, being from the other camp, they will definately go to Hellfire! Jesus did not have any role to play here. His role is completely restricted to his time and the people he was charged which is to lead them the right path. His responsibility ended when Muhammad came on the stage of prophethood. Muhammad is the prophet of this current time, which starting from the time he received the first revelation, all the way to the end of time!

The Covenant taken from the Descendants of Adam.

Allah stated that He brought the descendants of Adam out of their fathers' loins, and they testified against themselves that Allah is their Lord and King and that there is no deity worthy of worship except Him. Allah created them on this Fitrah, or way, just as He said,

(So set you (O Muhammad) your face truly towards the religion, Hanifan. Allah's Fitrah with which He has created mankind. No change let there be in Khalqillah.) [30:30] And it is recorded in the Two Sahihs from Abu Hurayrah who said that the Messenger of Allah said,

(Every child is born upon the Fitrah, it is only his parents who turn him into a Jew, a Christian or a Zoroastrian. Just as animals are born having full bodies, do you see any of them having a cutoff nose (when they are born)) . Muslim recorded that `Iyad bin `Himar said that the Messenger of Allah said
(Allah said, `I created My servants Hunafa' (monotheists), but the devils came to them and deviated them from their religion, prohibiting what I allowed.) There are Hadiths that mention that Allah took Adam's offspring from his loins and divided them into those on the right and those on the left. Imam Ahmad recorded that Anas bin Malik said that the Prophet said
(It will be said to a man from the people of the Fire on the Day of Resurrection, `If you owned all that is on the earth, would you pay it as ransom' He will reply, `Yes.' Allah will say, `I ordered you with what is less than that, when you were still in Adam's loins, that is, associate none with Me (in worship). You insisted that you associate with Me (in worship).') This was recorded in the Two Sahihs Commenting on this Ayah (7:172), At-Tirmidhi recorded that Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah said,

(When Allah created Adam, He wiped Adam's back and every person that He will create from him until the Day of Resurrection fell out from his back. Allah placed a glimmering light between the eyes of each one of them. Allah showed them to Adam and Adam asked, `O Lord! Who are they' Allah said, `These are your offspring.' Adam saw a man from among them whose light he liked. He asked, `O Lord! Who is this man' Allah said, `This is a man from the latter generations of your offspring. His name is Dawud.' Adam said, `O Lord! How many years would he live' Allah said, `Sixty years.' Adam said, `O Lord! I have forfeited forty years from my life for him.' When Adam's life came to an end, the angel of death came to him (to take his soul). Adam said, `I still have forty years from my life term, don't I' He said, `Have you not given it to your son Dawud' So Adam denied that and his offspring followed suit (denying Allah's covenant), Adam forgot and his offspring forgot, Adam made a mistake and his offspring made mistakes.) At-Tirmidhi said, "This Hadith is Hasan Sahih, and it was reported from various chains of narration through Abu Hurayrah from the Prophet ''. Al-Hakim also recorded it in his Mustadrak, and said; "Sahih according to the criteria of Muslim, and they did not record it.'' These and similar Hadiths testify that Allah, the Exalted and Most Honored, brought forth Adam's offspring from his loins and separated between the inhabitants of Paradise and those of the Fire. Allah then said,



(and made them testify as to themselves (saying): "Am I not your Lord'' They said: "Yes!'') Therefore, Allah made them testify with themselves by circumstance and words. Testimony is sometimes given in words, such as,

(They will say: "We bear witness against ourselves.'') [6:130] At other times, testimony is given by the people themselves, such as Allah's statement,

(It is not for the Mushrikin, (polytheists) to maintain the mosques of Allah, while they testify against their own selves of disbelief.) [9:17] This Ayah means that their disbelief testifies against them, not that they actually testify against themselves here. Another Ayah of this type is Allah's statement,



(And to that he bears witness (by his deeds). ) [100:7] The same is the case with asking, sometimes takes the form of words and sometimes a situation or circumstance. For instance, Allah said,

(And He gave you of all that you asked for.) [14:34] Allah said here,

(lest you should say), on the Day of Resurrection

(we were of this) of Tawhid



(unaware. Or lest you should say: "It was only our fathers aforetime who took others as partners in worship along with Allah,'') [7:172-173]

(175. And recite to them the story of him to whom We gave Our Ayat, but he threw them away; so Shaytan followed him up, and he became of those who went astray.) (176. And had We willed, We would surely have elevated him therewith, but he clung to the earth and followed his own vain desires. So his parable is the parable of a dog: if you drive him away, he pants, or if you leave him alone, he (still) pants. Such is the parable of the people who reject Our Ayat. So relate the stories, perhaps they may reflect.) (177. Evil is the parable of the people who rejected Our Ayat, and used to wrong themselves.)

(By the way my name is Olabowale, and not Adebowale!)

I wonder where you get your own quran from. Better try to know more about your religion. Instead of copying from one site and paste on nairaland.

Hello man,i think u still have a long way to go,do u want to compare the relationsip of prophet Muhammad and khadija with sugar Mummy syndrome of nowaday,thats totally incomparable,the woman in question had feelings for him,she wooed him and they engage in legal marriage.if u don't know things,ask from those who know, stop messing arround with your empty head, get a life

Meaning that if a 60yrs old rich woman seduced a 25year old man it is part of Sunat? I am glad you do not denied that this event is untrue. Will you allow a marriage of your son with someone of your age group?

I wont say I have some hidden text that merges both scriptures on Judas death but lets use the scriptures you quoted and add a little imagination.


Judas committed suicide by hanging himself.
As a suicide he is considered to be unclean so no one would touch his corpse.
It bloats and begin to decay in the heat, falls of the tree and the belly of the bloated corpse burst open.

This will make both accounts true.

Mathews account specificaly tells us how Judas died - by hanging.

Pauls account related some events that related to the deceased but It did not say how he died.

Mathew tells us that the money (belonging) to Judas was used to purchase a field by the priest. Since the money could not be put in the treasury, it was still legaly Judas' money so the field is his. Mathew's version is a historic account or record.

Paul said Judas purchaed the field. He was refering to historic events that were at the time common knowledge and didn't need to go into specifics.



This is just an academic excercise to show that the seeming contradictions might just not be contradictry at all.

Atom you are very intelligent.

I think it require a website or blogs

I am looking for someone who understand how to upload a wbsite , I have registered a domain name.

Remember "Lucifer" knownas devil was use to be the Arch Angel in heaven He leads the Choirs in Heaven. We must be coutious of his device in our church. According to Redeemed Constiutution, leave all benefit of doubt to the Glory of God. If the tune of Obesere music will bring members to area boyism why not shun Fuji

@Davidylan and all: And the lamb, did not go willingly to the slaughter! Contrary to what is being projected. He cried out, 'My God, My God, why has thou forsaken me!' Then, he gave up the ghost! If this is a willing and wholesale blanket of forgiveness, then its very strange, indeed. God could have easily forgiven everyone, without this grusome event!

Don't mind thid Adebowale, little did he know that Jesus christ is the Prince of Peace. Unlike Mohamadu the Worrior

I wish all souls be won to Christ Jesus.

Muhammad's Early Life

Muhammad was born in 571 A.D.; but his father, Abdallah, died 4 months before he was born. His family belonged to the Banu Hashim clan of the Qoraish tribe of Saudi Arabia. Orphaned, infant Muhammad and his widowed mother, Amina (daughter of Wahd), were looked after by Abdul Mutalib (Grandfather of Muhammad). During this time, Halima, a Bedouin lady, nursed infant Muhammad {I have no record of why Amina did not breast-feed/nurse infant Muhammad}. After a few weeks, Halima complained infant Muhammad was possessed by the devil and refused him. His mother, Amina then died, when he was only 5 years old. When orphaned Muhammad was 8, his grandfather, Abdul Mutalib also died, and the boy Muhammad was passed to his uncle, Abu Talib, who had a trading caravan business with Syria and he put little Muhammad to work in this caravan business. At age 20, Abu Talib passed Muhammad to work for Khadija, who owned a thriving and large caravan business. At age 25, Muhammad married his boss, 40-year-old rich widow Khadija, and thereby became stepfather of Khadija's two daughters from a previous marriage. Muhammad did not show 'his true colours' while married to Khadija. He was faithful to Khadija (1 wife for 2 decades) and was obedient and respected her, till she died.

At age 25, Muhammad married his boss, 40-year-old rich widow

If this is right, how will Islam discourage "Sugar Mummy" Phenomena inthe life of our youth today?

Mithra was regarded as created by, yet co-equal with, the Supreme Deity. Mithraists were Trinitarian, kept Sunday as their day of worship, and their chief festivals were what we know of as Christmas and Easter. Long before the advent of Jesus, Mithra was said to have been born of a virgin mother, in a cave, at the time of Christmas, and died on a cross at Easter. Baptism was practised, and the sign of the cross was made on the foreheads of all newly-baptised converts. Mithra was considered to be the saviour of the world, conferring on his followers an eternal life in Heaven, and, similar to the story of Jesus, he died to save all others, provided that they were his followers.

I have decided to ereflect on this part of your history of religion, because many of the write up are truely writing by some people. It is just like when Paul got to a particular place and in there god's temple it was writng a caption "The unknown god". That was how histrory of religion came to evolution. there are so many sides to every story.

That being as it may, let me draw your attention to the fact that "there is no other name giving under the sun through which we might be saved". There is a particular aspect in the Ifa Oracle " Ela Iwori" ever had of that before go read somethings about the story of ela iwori very similar to Christ Jesus life on earth. Will you now tell me because of this story that Jesus is not truely born in Nazareth?

What I am saying in essence is that mithra worshiper's angle to the revelation of Jesus is what you are trying to point here. The fact that they do not get the right way is not a yard stick to say Christians borrow idea form them. If you have any way of correcting this in the worshiper now you will tell them Christianity is the right approach to serving God the Almighty.

I once read a story about Mohammed as been Stealing for the Masses does not make me beleive Islam was founded by a thief.

Keep deceiving yourself. The two verses are saying different things are you are here telling us that the latter is a continuation of the former. Haba, stop your deception now. Please why is Matthew now having the deatiled account, where was the holy spirit when he was compiling his story?

That Judas died and the other says he did not?

When you want to argue try to open your heart to knowledge. That is the best way to be a better argumentative person. However, I am not here to argue with you on such matter. Get knowledge get understanding.

Please note this, when you try to ask some question about God's words, you may not get the exact answer because life in itself is all about beleive. Tell me Who is you real Father? Who is your real Mother? Where were you born? When were you Born? Answers to many of this questions are in the stories you were told. So learn to beleive!

I know 93% of the Protestant Churches really don’t understand the Scripture and most of their Founders are using Churches as Business Enterprises where they can maximize profit. I have enquired and discovered that Evangelical Church of New Jerusalem is one of the Churches that suffer children in the name of fasting – children within the ages of 4 and above are mandated to fast. Go and ask them, they will tell you that Timothy was a kid when he knew the scripture. This has been their quote. If you go to the history of the above church – the Founder has been a secrete member of Amok and most of their Pastors are partly members of this Amok. Regrettably, most of their members don’t know this and I know some people will like to come forward and dispute this confirmed truth.

They are not alone, even Christ Embassy and some many other Protestant Pastors who like to fake miracle knows where they meet. I can direct anyone who ventures to doubt me to take a trip to Stadium Road, Elekahia, Port Harcourt to ask about one young Herbalist about all these Pastors. Once you get to this Stadium – just ask about Mechanic Shops, and then from there you can ask about the Herbalist. I have forgotten the name of the Street.

The early Apostles never believed in fixing or occasion miracles. Miracles happened as they journeyed – just along the road, but today the story is different. And when you ask – they will question you back if those lame on the streets have faith. There are many of them, even Redeemed Church is one of the Business Enterprises.

I cannot advise any person to worship with Evangelical Church of New Jerusalem. The church is out to lead many people to hell.

Christianity is good and Christ wants His followers to first seek the miracle of transformation- changing from your sinful act to a righteous person. These days we scamper for miracles that only base on fake financial power and wealth.

I really commend the effrot of people like you who will bring Lies to substantiate their imagination. I quite agree that there are wolfs in sheep clothings today, but I appreciate people coming out to post nonsense with confidence just because you want people to beleive your stories.

You talked of an herbalist where Men of God patronised. I leave your Conscience with God. God will Judge you accordingly.

However, I wish to let you know that The Redeemed Christian Church of God is Vision of God. It is when you make that statement that indicated you are only making an insinuation. It may interest you to know that RCCG is not own by an individual and it was not Founded by Pastor Adeboye.

The Redeemed Christian Church of God is not a Business Venture. We only tell you of the Truth we know and we are sure of.

I will request that whenever we want to post points here we should not just type because we are angry but type because you are sensible.

I pray God will help you to find your path.

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no where in the bible did they celebrate it!

What were the 3 wise Men doing? What happen to the Host of Heaven When Jesus was born.

Read your Bible not Jehovah Withness Bible.

Shallom!

Ok you have zero your mind to getting knowledge about what you don't know. We can only tell you the truth, it is your choice to accept. But if you feel you want to question the Authority of God go ahead! But no body can battle with the Lord.

I will like to ask you Loveking to look for a Bible beleiving church like Redeem Christian Church of God and worship.  Also attend the Digging Deep regularly.  There you will know the truth.  As regard your question try to study the Chronological order of the Birth of Jesus Christ.  Where you have question let us know.

However, while you are into this research with an "open mind" always understand that Joseph is the eathly Father of Jesus by the virtue of His relationship with Mary.  It is not in anyway out of place to reffer to Jesus on This on eathly Decendancy.  Also while you are trying to learn things of God, never forget that no one can know the Origin of God. You can not know any Secrete of God except the ones He reveal.  YOu need Holy Spirit to get all this knowledge.  If not you will wonder until you become a wonderer

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are they saying the same thing or is it a different story?
how does someone fall headlong? did judas fall headlong after he hanged himself? who has a better description?

I have decided to reply this posting because I feel you want us to learn together and not to argue on this issue.

If you carefully looked at the two statement, you will agree with me that they are saying the same thing. Mathew reported the issue in account of what transpired between the Preist and Judas. For example it is like when a court pronouncement is reported. It will read XYZ is hereby sentenced to Death.

Then on the order hand the event in the Act is on account of the horible outcome of the action of Judas. Unlike example i cited of Judge Pronouncement, it is now become a discription of how severe the excecution is.

When you compare the two the latter is Continuation of the former. Matthew event came before the report in Act. Act will be the detail of the Account of Judas Iscariot.

I hope that will address your concern.
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Yes, i go to church, i love God, infact most of the moments i live to remember most are the ones i knelt at the alter to pray fevently to God, i like communicating with God.

On d other hand i'm into the world, i have a lovely girlfriend, loves dancing and wont live without hearing worldly music, infact the hard core raps.

i'm caught in the web of two opposing ends and can't seem to consider which to dump. Any time i consider being born again, i can't help but imagine how to explain to ma chick, even if i find courage to explain, how can i stop listening to music that feeds ma soul and make ma world go round.

When i think about this and many other things i bcome afraid of giving ma life to christ, because i feel earthly passion is still so much in me.

i don't know if somebody is in ma kind of shoes, what do i do to forsake all these earthly passions?

Hell may be inevitable if you can not overcome your fear

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