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felixomor:
Please where did william craig say the writers of the Bible were lying?

In his debate with Eddy Tabash(available on Youtube) he said maybe the Jews just wrote down the biblical stories including the genocides without God telling them to do so and just claimed God after been pummeled by Eddy Tabash on the morality of the OT. But the same hypocrite belongs to a christian organization that each member will have to sign an undertaken that the bible is the inerrant word of God before he/ she joins. Bart Erhman had to call him out on it in their debate when he tried making a similar move on the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus. When he said that the resurrection of the saints that came out from the graves and walked round the city of Jerusalem for all to see as recorded by the gospel of Mathews during the death of Jesus wasn't historical but an apocalyptic allegory.

KingEbukasBlog:
Showing love , kindness , empathy , justice etc , these are objectively good.

The definition of Love, kindness, justice all vary from place to place. What is considered to be an act of justice in Saudi Arabia might be considered not to be an act of justice in the United states. An act of love in Japan might be considered to be an act of foolishness in Russia. A charitable act in Mongolia might be consideredas a foolish act in India so all these things are subjective and not objective.

Greed , hatred these are objectively bad . If we agree that there is evil , then we agree that there is good ; if we agree that good and evil exist then we agree that there are moral laws to guide us on what is good and evil ; if we agree that there are moral laws then the corollary is to affirm the existence of a moral law giver who is a pinnacle of moral perfection . Its just simple logic .

Greed, hate, are not objectivelybad because the definition of greed and hate varies from society to society. What is considered greed in China might not be considered as greed in the USA. In fact the whole capitalist principle is based on greed. But it is the driving force of the US economy. Consumerism and greed is the backbone of capitalism. An act of hate in Denmark might not be considered to be an act of hate in Saudi Arabia or Yamen. So these things aren't objective. Take honor killing for example. It's an act of hate in most western societies but it isn't considered to be one in many middle east societies and Asian countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. They have no laws against it and it is considered to be a part of their system.

Humans are their givers and creators of all moral system. They create all moral and legal systems they chose to follow. All laws are man made. Back on the days they used God as an enforcing mechanism for many different reasons but now hey don't anymore.

You can't say God committed evil when you claim morality is subjective . You don't judge God or another by your own moral standards or societal laws . Atheists claim that morality is subjective then go around accusing God of being evil (that's dystheism ). It does not make sense , utterly asinine . Morality being subjective logically exculpates God of any evil . I don't know how this eludes you people .

You keep repeating this drivel, now you are sounding like a broken record. According to the bible God said he commited evil and repented from his evil acts. He confessed and repented according to the tale. So what exactly are you on about? Just follow the lead of your master William Craig and say that the writers of the bible were lying when they said God repented of his evil deeds. Claim that God did not tell them to write that as he did when he said same about the genocide and atrocities in the bible. Throw the bible under the bus like he did and rest.

KingEbukasBlog:
I'm not sure why you accuse God of being evil since morality is subjective . Its like you guys don't understand you don't judge someone by your personal moral standards since morality is subjective . God is the epitome of moral goodness by His standards . Is this difficult to understand ?

I didn't accuse God of being evil. He confessed he did evil and repented by his words. It's not an accusation. No where in the bible did God ever mention or claim to be the epitome of moral goodness. It is jut a lie formulated by christian apologist like William Craig and parrot by the likes of you.

Is it considered evil when a lion kills a child for his food ? Do you consider killing a lion for food consumption evil ?

So objective morality is supposed to apply to wild animals that live in the jungle? You are so off point that it is now pathetic. I feel bad for you.

There is no violation of any moral principles . You can't judge objective moral values and duties from a subjective perspective

Where is the objective mral values and duties that your God has displayed and shown to abide by? Is it ever right to kill innocent childrenfor what they know nothing about?

That why you clearly said you will allow your son to engage in bestiality since morality is evolving . That's why atheists killed 250 million people because they believed morality is evolving and carrying sanguinary campaigns against people who believe in God in a springboard for revolution. And those atheists believed they did good.

Mr lie lie, I can see that you are pained. I told you to show me where I supported beastiality and you ran away because you can't. Now you are here again with your lies. When genocide, slavery, land grab and all forms of evil acts were acceptable your God was there spearheading hos men and giving injunctions on how it is to be carried out. Objective morality indeed. You are always empty.

KingEbukasBlog:
These are assumptions . There is no evidence that this is the truth . You can't make assumptions and proclaim that it is the truth . Its that simple . You are making so many assertions and conjectures and drawing false conclusions . There is no evidence with certitude that there is no God . It is an assumption that man created God to provide an answer to mysteries . There is no evidence to support that claim.

You can not point to any God without man made input. Man made arguments, man made religions, man made culture, made man everything. No God can be shown to exist on its own without man made input. The sun can be shown to exist on its own without any man made input because it exist. God can't be shown to exist without any man made input because it remains a man made idea.

The OP's proof that Jesus created the universe is some disjointed biblical verses. Well done OP.

Where is the alleged doctor who claims that the human brain sleeps to come and explain why the brain sleeps when it. Comes to matters of religion for us.

KingEbukasBlog:
God prohibits murder not killing .

There are many things that can lead to murdering someone - jealousy, hatred etc . The act of murdering someone is an act of wickedness and the aforementioned evil can be the cause of murder . And since God is the epitome of moral goodness, God is good meanwhile evil is the departure from good. These moral laws are in accordance to God's nature .

Going by this claim you have just agreed that your God is a murderer. He said he is a Jealous God and commanded people to kill their own brothers if they entice them to worship other Gods out of jealousy. The bible has God doing evil and repenting from his evil deeds, how then is this God the epitome of moral goodness? How can the epitome of moral goodness and perfection engage in evil? Seems you are drunk and do not know what you are saying all the time.

And our understanding of evil and good helped us construct the moral argument for God's existence.

1. if God does not exist , objective morals , values and duties do not exist

2. objective moral values and duties exist

3. Therefore , God exists.

Even if we all agree that morality is objective I'll show you how your God violates it. I will list just 2 objective moral values and duties and I will show how your God violates all 3.

1. It is wrong to kill innocent children from the wrong doings of their parents.
2. It is wrong to kill others because they chose to worship different God's or practice a different religion.

Read the bible and you'll see your God violating these objective moral principles that every body will agree to.

As an atheist , morality is subjective to you ; why do you then condemn people who commit genocide and murder ? I mean if morality is down to just societal laws and personal perspective, then people who commit genocide, murder , oppress and torture people are doing good since its a norm in their society and it's a good thing from their perspective.

Honestly , there are no wise atheists; any atheist who discusses morality or condemns someone is just shooting himself on the foot . Because there is no reason at all to condemn someone else since you claim morality is subjective . You just making a fool of yourself whenever that happens,

Humans have used themselves as the rallying point of what ever moral code of conduct they chose to live by. Our morality is always evolving based on standards set by we humans. Remember when slavery was acceptable your God was busy telling people how to sell their daughters into slavery.

KingEbukasBlog:
Exactly my brother . They are not smart so they don't understand that since morality is subjective, there is no need to accuse God or anyone of committing evil , because those acts are seen as good from the perspective of the accused.

Even if we agree that morality is objective it's because humans have made it so. You can't use any God as the source of human morality because your God fails at it. A God that supports and encourages slavery for example can NOT be said to be the source of human objective morality. The bible says that he who disbelieves in Christ is condemned already. What kind of nonsensical morality is that that is predicted on belief in the life and teachings of a dead man?

The human mind can perform amazing gymnastics. Anything can be rationalized. Any story that ties itself off, however absurd, can be believed by man, especially if that's what they had been told as children when theIR minds and world still glowed with magic. It's hard to let go of what "feels" true.
That's why people still believe these things like God is the source of human morality and other such nonsense.
For those of you familiar with literature, it's basically "deus ex machina". The human mind IS the God machine.

The God centered morality is subjective bexause it is based on the need to escape damnation and not necessarily for the well being of all humans. What kind of morality is it that is entirely predicated on a self-interested desire to escape damnation or the wrath of some God? This seems to bypass the very core of what we mean by morality, which is an actual concern for the welfare of other human beings regardless of race, gender and sexuality. Clearly it is possible to teach our children to form such a concern and to grow in empathy and compassion without lying to ourselves or to them about the nature of the universe,without pretending to know things we do not know.

I mean ask yourself, which is more moral?Helping the poor, feeding the hungry, defending the weak,out of a mere concern for their wellbeing, or doing so because you think the creator of the universe wants you to do it.The truth is people do not need to be threatened with damnation to love their children, to love their friends, to want to collaborate with strangers, or indeed to recognize that helping strangers and colaborating with them to solve the myriad of challenges facing humanity can be one of their greatest sources of happiness

God didn't promise us anything. We made him up to try and explain why there is rain and sorrow and pain in our world. We want an explanation for the ugliness around us that we seem to be helpless against. We then created God and the after life to ease our minds and create a world with less anxiety because we know that this is only temporary and we really hope that there will be something better when we die.

The truth is rain and sorrow and pain are simply our reality. There is no reason for it. The sorrow and pain are the result of humans being human. Until we learn to further evolve and learn how to live together without wanting what each other has because we think their toys are better we're going to continue to live in a world with sorrow and pain.

HardMirror:
a "qualified " medical doctor in Nigeria will tell you sickness is a product of sin. we still in the dark ages here forget all the ceremonial certificates people posses all a waste. glory to jesus

I was watching a documentary about sleep paralysis last year on discovery Channel with a friend's elder brother who is a doctor and his reaction to it is" These white people are crazy ,how can they call a clear demonic attack sleep paralysis".

This is one of the main reasons why we can never grow and progress despite all our education. Spiritual problems require spiritual solutions and we are yet to see the spiritual realm solve any of the problems facing humanity, but we have seen natural solutions solve many and most of humanities problems. The spiritual is useless as long as providing solutions to humanity is concerned.

KingEbukaNaija:
Atheists are very dangerous people - suicidal thoughts , murderous tendencies , and they assent to bestiality and incestuous relationships

The alleged founder of your religion was an incestuous man.

KingEbukasBlog:
in the op and in this thread

Its a lie. Show me.

KingEbukasBlog:
Even when there's evidence? You and other atheists clearly said you saw nothing wrong in bestiality. You atheists blatantly said that it is okay to sleep with animals

Can you point out where I saw I saw nothing wrong with beastiality? Where did I say that it is OK to sleep with animals? Why the lies na?

KingEbukasBlog:
dalaman , saw nothing wrong with bestiality. I'm not surprised.

Mr lie lie you've started again oo.

Christian and Muslim squables. The very first thing that made me to start questioning religion and God as a whole.

KingEbukasBlog:
The universe was created undoubtedly, there are many ideas of the nature of the Divine. Some deify the elements , some deify natural phenomenon.

This is an assumption.

sonofluc1fer:
Even if we are to agree with his line of thought - - which is totally false - -, he would run into trouble trying to explain how both 'concepts' wrote separate books for different religions. How do you tell which concept is true without any bias? By what measure would he tell which is true:faith or logic?

He once gave some very bogus explanations as to how to get to know the true religion. I asked him some follow up questions and he ran away.

frank317:
This question might sound easy but very difficult to answer.

Most Christians are like gamblers. They spend their whole life waiting to hit the jack pot.

Let me break it down:

Gamblers/Christians believe God/betting is their source if wealth/health, wealth, or happiness. So they always pray/bet HOPING that Thier prayer/effort would pay off. The bad news is neither have any idea when God/betting would pay/answer prayer. So this uncertainty keeps them glued(addicted) to praying/betting, while they, as human in need, strategies/work hard. Then when their strategy/hardwork pays off they blame it on Betting luck/God.

The fact is that believe in God is useless. Sometimes Christians mistaken believe in themselves to be believe in God. Hence the pastors capitalize on this and milk them, telling them his prayers are then cause of their success and not their hardwork.

Christians spend their lives believing in a useless God and spend the rest of their lives working hard Makin ends meet and feeding their believes with their own effort. Yes they only make God relevent by attributing their success to him rather than their efforts.

EOD.

KingEbukasBlog:
This is an assumption . Assumptions are not proof . And whenever you start arguing on concepts in theism or Theology , you should start with "in my opinion " so we will quickly know that you are ignorant of the subject and you are rambling as usual .

Its not an assumption. I thought you said proof is only used in mathematics? See your life? Anyway, there are many ideas and conceptions of God's. Some are polytheist while others are mono. It is a fact not an assumption.

KingEbukasBlog:
People have conceptions of the creator , it does not mean they have different Gods . It's the same being. Theology studies the nature of the Divine. And under Theology, there is revealed and natural Theology ; the former belongs to religion , the latter belongs to Deism. The Divine has many conceptions and is seen through different perspectives.


Even your High Priest Richard Dawkins though very unphilosophical understands this simple message. You can't have a public debate with a theologian or philosopher of religion with this kind of naive thinking .

Shut up. People invent different ideas and conception of a creator. Some believe the universe needs to have many creators and they invented many God (polytheist) others feel that the universe deserve to have just one creator and they invented a singular creator (monotheism ) . That you keep crying about the different ideas all being the same is your own making. They aren't the same. Even in theology the Gods are not the same. They have different atributes and are not considered to be the same.

Muslims always fighting for Allah since 600AD.

emmanuelex1:
Really? is that the best thing you could say? I expected you to appeal for peace on both side, what if those mambilla dudes were taking their own revenge? No one has monopoly of violence remember this. I pray for peace.

As i said earlier, the fulani militia men have the full support of the government, so fighting them is a very risky business.

The fulani militia men will go for revenge attacks and it will be a prolong one. The people should better be ready for a prolonged war.

Deicide:
Why does Princess Ebuka always like degrading his intelligence when making arguments? is it an act of being insincere to himself ni?

Its both.

adepeter26:
You never stop to amaze us on this forum. You et ya cohorts....

Malaria a pathogen? A vector?
Lol.

If malaria is a vector, then mosquito is a disease...

Hahn, akintom and CatfishBilly, where una dae oo. Dalaman biko show face oo

That fool is just someone you are to banter with just to past time. He isn't someone you are to take seriously.

felixomor:
Prove it.
Olodo

Mr lie lie denying the obvious. Everybody knows you here as the quack Doctor that claims the brain sleeps.

felixomor:
Another Lie!
Olodo.

Its not a lie. You said the human brain sleeps na. Obviously you brian sleeps. Go and allow it to continue sleeping. Olodo lie lie Doctor.

KingEbukaNaija:
Empiricism is as old as rationalism . I think its older than rationalism because people have always depended on their senses which is in fact prone to errors .

Rationalism involves making deductions too and when we deduce , we are not creating imaginations we are simply drawing conclusions from already known facts .

MAny times deductions have been shown to be false and unreliable as a means of knowing things.

hopefulLandlord:
Dr. Sean Carrol is a good example

Not only him. Allen Guth as well.

felixomor:
Hian
I am glad another person has seen your foolishness on this page.
Arguing over dead grammar.

If you like, go and write application letter with such grammar.
Ediort

Doctor that claims the brain sleep, is that one a doctor? If you like go and be telling your patients that their brains sleep. Felixmumu.

felixomor:
"You have non"
Olodo rabata

Says the Olodo doctor that says the brain sleeps. Felixmumu.

felixomor:
Sharaap, you have finally seen your disastrous blunder.
Instead of you to have quietly let it pass,
You wanted to prove right by all means...
Olodo.
Dullardmama

Which blunder? Felixmumu.

felixomor:
Keep quiet Olodo.
I am so shocked you dont even know the difference between adjectives and pronouns.
Let alone how and where to use them
And you are still arguing .

Shut up. Felixmumu.