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felixomor:
Ehen, were u not the one who spoke the mind of bacteria?
And failed to tell me how u knew the mind?
Instead u killed science by saying bacteria has no mind.

Which scientific document shows that a bacteria has a mind?

felixomor:
You are the one who failed.
If u say God must be indoctrinated into man,
Who then indoctrinated the first man on earth?
Who taught man to marry woman?
Provide proof for your claim of indoctrination.

U failed again.

First man on earth? Scientifically speaking there is nothing like that. Human anthropology has shown us that humans started worshipping natural agents of nature like the sun, the moon, mountains, rivers etc before they started worshipping spirits and later to invisible beings.

If there is anything like the first man then he invented what ever concept of God he worshipped and others after him kept inventing their own various God/Gods concept.

Sex is natural it exist in nature. If you place 20 years old a man that has never seen a woman in his life beside a Nked woman he'll get an erection. If the woman touches him he will respond. He will not have to be tought to have an erection. It will be automatic.

If all the people in the world are to be presented with the bible on their 20th birthday and told that it is the word of God for example many will just laugh and very few will accept it.

KingEbukasBlog:
Now we are talking . So let's hear it . Please don't rehash the death , diseases , poverty argument . I'm tired of repeating the same rebuttal .

Before you respond , note that the probability the universe came by chance is highly inconceivable and insignificant . You may now continue .

How can you start a debate by shutting out the point of your opponent?

Is God good?

felixomor:
E no get.
He has dodged nothing less than 3 questions from me alone.

I've not dodged any of your questions.

KingEbukasBlog:
Nature , Consciousness , Intelligence serve as incontrovertible and irrefutable evidence for God.

No signature of God in nature to show that God created anything in nature. Hence it remains an assumption. Belief in God does not exist in nature. It is something that must be thought to humans.

Consiousness and intelligence are not evidence for any God else all consious and intelligent beings will naturally believe in God and will not need to be told and indoctrinated with any idea of God. All consious and intelligent humans will all come to the knowledge of the same God and in the same way if Consiousness and intelligence are evidence for God. So another fail.

damogul:
if you are saying there is no evidence of God AS ADVERTISED that means you are rejecting any proof theists have ever offered.

That then means you need to show us why and how you arrived at this rejection....So in essence you are back to where you and I started from.

Where is your proof.

What have the theist provided in terms of evidence?

KingEbukasBlog:
Let me get this clear bro . Are you 1. Saying there is no God because of lack of evidence ? 2 .Or you are you rejecting the evidences we who acknowledge the existence of God have presented ?

If it is 1 then its a blatant appeal to ignorance fallacy , if its 2 then you have to provide reasons why you reject the evidences .

There is no evidence for God as advertised. If you have objective and incontrovertible evidence that points to the existence of your God directly then please provide it.

damogul:
You simply have nothing to offer. Nothing to show. No proof.

I will ask you one last time as a favor to show me your proof.

When have you ever provide any evidence for your claims?

damogul:
you keep sounding like a broken record when you say WE ALL KNOW AND MAN MADE IDEA. Am I not part of the ALL that should know? Yet I disagree with you.
So show me your proof to your claim.

We (atheist). Are you an atheist? Show us the God that exist on its own without human input.

damogul:
Dalaman et al make an atheist out of me. I want to see your proof to your claims...

I also wish to critically look at the God concept so I can make an informed decision.

Help me please.

We say all Gods are man made ideas and as such can not be shown to exist on their own without human input. If you know a God that can be shown to exist without human input point to it.

damogul:
The fact of this thread is this...Atheists believe in nature and they hold strongly to that which is why they want physical proof of Gods existence from theists.

Now we want them to use the same Nature to disprove God. I am sure that something so readily available as nature could easily be used to disprove God but all we have been seeing has been seriously disappointing to say the least.

What part of nature told you that it was created by Yahweh? Where is his signature in nature so that any body that see it will know that he created it? Where is the God that exist without human input? When will you show it to us?

KingEbukasBlog:
Big bro , you have passed this type of argument now . Abi haven't I told you about Natural Theology and Revealed Theology ?

Natural Theology is knowledge gotten from personal observation of Nature , and through this observation God has been acknowledged to exist. I downloaded an e-book based on Natural Theology .

Xenophanes needed no revelation to agree that the greatest of all cannot be born or die (eternal ) . Socrates used teleology to admit that God arranges things for a purpose . All these are personal observations of Nature .

Then you move to panentheism which sees the universe as the material manifestation of God . That means even if the universe is eternal , it is part of God as His essence .

Bro you are playing football with different balls. When told to provide evidence for the existence of God you can not jump from theism to pantheism and then to diesm. All these are not the same and do not even speak of the same idea of God. As a Christain when ask to provide evidence for God all you are to do is provide evidence for the christian God. Once you bring diesm ad pantheism into the mix then you are no longer talking about the Christian God but some other versions and ideas of God which are totally different from the Christian God.

felixomor:
Good.
So how many fufilled prophecies can the koran put forward?
Even koran affirms that the gospel of Jesus is inspired by God.
Who affirms the koran?

And please dont dodge this one o.

Remember I said I want objective and incontrovertible points.

The Koran we are told has some fulfilled prophecies.

felixomor:
So can we now compare the koran and the Bible?

Sure we can. That's if you provide objective criteria that each must satisfy so that we know that they are factual and not made up as I stated in my very first comment on this thread.

damogul:
So you agree your there is no God position is based n an assumption. So why speak with certainty? Are you conflicted? Their opinion is the hypothesis and not the reality of God. I think you need to read that your post again. The gave a hypothesis and not they saw God as a hypothesis...in a nutshell they formed an opinion based on an assumption. I have broken it down for you

Who told you that a God exist? Humans did. Did any God appear to you personally and told you that he exists?

damogul:
Dalaman this thread is anot about an argument. Its about proof. Show it or say you have none.

cc felixomor stop responding to him till he shws us his empirical data which nobody opined into his mind.

Which proof have you ever provided? You use your words and opinion daily to tell us that sone God exist yet you are still here blabbing. You think if a God truly exist as advertised it will depend.on someone like you to tell others about it? You are truly deluded.

damogul:
You have been dodging like its going out of fashion and have now pushed it as a hypothesis to me and that further shows how confused you are.

God is a hypothesis. If it's real then show me the God that exist on its own without human input. You should do that already instead of crying all over the place.

felixomor:
The prophets
His Word,
Jesus Christ, the most influential man in human History

The Koran is his word according to some religions. Others say it's the vedas for example.

Mohammed is the most influential man in history according to many analysis.

http://www.biographyonline.net/people/100-most-influential.html

www.iupui.edu/~msaiupui/thetop100.html?id=61

He said his revelation was divine and has over 1.8 billion followers and counting world wide. How do we objectively know that his revelations are not true and those of the people that wrote about Jesus long after he died are telling us the truth? How can we objectively know this?

damogul:
Dalaman if you are waiting for me to help you shape your mind and your opinion does that not show how much illogicality flows in you? Am i the one who told you to have your bath and eat food today? Am i the one who told you when to go to bed last night? Can you not show me how your "logical" mind works by showing me tangible irrefutable empirical proof to your THERE IS NO GOD position?

The there was NO GOD claim was only made when the proponents of the there is a God came up with their hypothesis. People didn't start going around claiming that there was no God until the roponents of the God hypothesis started spewing their ideas.

Show me the God that exist on his own without human input. You have been crying since. Am tired of your cries just show me.

felixomor:
Doesnt change the fact that u just translated my statement into a fallacy.

Which fallacy? Where is it. What methods did God use in communicating with humans? Which one did your God use that other Gods haven't used? How do we know which is right and which is wrong?

damogul:
Dalaman save your fingers and use it to show us proof. Stop typing irrelevant things to the OP. Show us your proof simple.

Proof of what? Show us any God that exist on its own without human input.

damogul:
Is there any atheist who can bell the cat and provide us tangle empirically proven proof that God is non existent? That is what this thread is about. Its not about Red Herrings or Goal post shifting or Fallacies in all its forms.

Simply Proof.

When you rovide objective and incontrovertible evidence that your God exist then we will take up your challange. Remember we disbelieve in the existence of God's based on lack of evidence. If you have objective and incontrovertible evidence to show that your God exist provide it already.

felixomor:
I said "God has used all the methods"
I dont know how that translates to "all religions are correct"

I hope you know what a fallacy is?
Unless you want to pretend.
But if you want to pretend, no problem.

What are the methods? How do we know which method is correct and which is false? Most religions also say that they were divinely revealed.

damogul:
Dalaman stop being coy. Where is your proof to your own claim?

Felixomor ignore him till he provides his proof.

Proof of what claim? I have told you to show me the God that exist in its own without human input. Will you show me that God already and stop crying all over the place?

felixomor:
Guy you have already dodged the question.
We have all seen it.
What u r doing now is what all atheist here do.
Major on the minor and keep the argument long.

However the case,
There is no method on earth a spirit can reaveal himself to humans that God has not used in communicating with man.
He has used all the methods.
You can only but pretend by throwing mud all around.

And to remind u that if u say in ur mind that God does not exist, its as good as a bacterium saying humans dont exist.
Wether such bacteria gets to see the proof or not, it doesnt change the fact.

Going by your assertion all the different religions that claim God communicated with their founders and is communicating with their members are all correct right?

damogul:
Do you know how ridiculous you sound? You speak with so much certainty without any research or proof to back that up with.

Have you tried communicating with bacteria using their method of communication and failed before?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16212498

Bacteria communicate with one another using chemical signal molecules. As in higher organisms, the information supplied by these molecules is critical for synchronizing the activities of large groups of cells. In bacteria, chemical communication involves producing, releasing, detecting, and responding to small hormone-like molecules termed autoinducers . This process, termed quorum sensing, allows bacteria to monitor the environment for other bacteria and to alter behavior on a population-wide scale in response to changes in the number and/or species present in a community. Most quorum-sensing-controlled processes are unproductive when undertaken by an individual bacterium acting alone but become beneficial when carried out simultaneously by a large number of cells. Thus, quorum sensing confuses the distinction between prokaryotes and eukaryotes because it enables bacteria to act as multicellular organisms. This review focuses on the architectures of bacterial chemical communication networks; how chemical information is integrated, processed, and transduced to control gene expression; how intra- and interspecies cell-cell communication is accomplished; and the intriguing possibility of prokaryote-eukaryote cross-communication.

Do you call what i highlighted primitive?

Where does it state that they communicate with humans. That is what we are talking about. Try and understand the context of primitive in science. Bacteria are primitive organisms scientifically speaking.

Now back to the topic do you communicate with God?

damogul:
I have already shown you how you idea of bacteria being primitive is wrong. Are ants primitive? Is communication via a complex method as using chemicals and having chemical receptors primitive? Must all communication be in words to be modern?

Back to the topic. Can yu show us your tangible proof to your claim that gods are man made ideas in every tribe, clan, community, hamlet, state, nation.

Bacteria is a primitive organism. Their mode of communication with each other is primitive and basic. They don't engage in complex communication.

Gods are man made ideal that is why most clans have invented their own Gods. The one you worshiped was once known as Yahwah the God of the Jews before he later evolved to the God of everybody through actions and inputs of men. Answer my question. Do you still communicate with God?

damogul:
Goalpost shifting

Research about whale and dolphin communication began as late as in the 2000s but concrete understanding was established in 2006 or so. Before then as far back as the 1900s till when research began nobody could communicate or even thought it was possible to achieve. Google is your friend.

Bacteria can communicate and they communicate same way ants communicate by excreting chemicals so ye such chemicals can be extracted and used to trigger communication when applied from man to bacteria. Do i need to school you?

It is a lie, you are lying. Bacteria do communicate with each the and their communication is very primitive. It is mainly done to know size and distance between each other. They can not communicate with human beings the way a dolphin or a dog can because of their primitiveness.

damogul:
Dalaman can bacteria still not communicate and is it still primitive?

Where did I claim that bacteria can not communicate? I said it can not communicate with man. It is a primitive organism. Do you communicate with God as you have claimed many times?

damogul:

When did man begin learning how to communicate with whales or dolphins. Do you even know science?

Quorum sensing: cell-to-cell communication in bacteria. Bacteria communicate with one another using chemical signal molecules. As in higher organisms, the information supplied by these molecules is critical for synchronizing the activities of large groups of cells.

Yet you say bacteria cannot communicate because it has no brain right?

Will you stop shootin blanks and telling lies? Where did I say a bacteria can not communicate? Pls show me. I said a bacteria doesn't have a brain as such it can't communicate with a human being. You clined some.people said we can not communicate with Dolphins. Who are the people that made that claim.or were you lying as usual? Bacateria do communicate with each other. But they can't comuinicate with humans because of so many limitations. If you know how they can communicate with humans just tell us.

felixomor:
U r beginning to expose your faulty lines now.
Firstly, u couldnt tell me how u knew d mind of bacteria.

God is a spirit, we are humans

So fastforward your brain now.

The bacteria has no mind. It has no brain.

God is spirit but you guys claim to be in contact with him. You claim you talk and communicate with it. The God of the bible says that humans should come and reason together with him. You seem to be hiding your God under the this elusive relm of the spiritual.

PDBonline:
Shifting the burden of prove again.

Can a bacteria communicate with humans? Of yes then how? Do humans claim to communicate with God? Yes. Damaging has claimed many times to communicate with God. If it is true then we can ask him very simple questions to know if he is telling the truth or lying. You can not keep making empty claims and not expect to be held responsible.