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KingEbukasBlog:
Nihilism is an atheistic ideology . Ask Grizzlybear

Just like suicide bombing is a theistic idea abi?

MrMontella:
im yet to see the connection between atheism and nihilism..

Most christian apologist want athiests to be nihilist . They always try to link atheism to nihilism.

damogul:
Had to be specific with the post since you missed it earlier

Anti clerical ideas from France eroded the influence of the church. Never said it was an atheist country at all. The church only had its influence reduced it was never an atheist country don't even try to spew that nonsense.

damogul:
Uruguay was formerly an atheist nation. Religion/Christianity broke through later.

Uruguay was formerly an atheist nation according to who?

KingEbukasBlog:
He may believe in God privately but appears to be an atheist or declares to be one because of the country or politics in the country or rejection of religion in which the belief in God has been mistaken to be an integral part .
That's why I said it is arguable .
You dig ?

What is this nonsense. There are more theist than athiests in Uruguay. The politics of Uruguay has nothing to do with his atheism because Uruguay is a secular country that has a higher percentage of theist compared to athiest. It's better to keep quiet than go about insinuating falsehood and lies. The man said he's an athiests and that's all to it.

KingEbukasBlog:
That is not what that verse means .

It means that life without God has no purpose or meaning .

False. In REALITY many have found meaning and purpose in their lives without believing in any God or by believing in other Gods different from the Jewish version of God.

Because if you look at subsequent verses the preacher attempted finding meaning to life through discovery , wisdom , alcohol , different philosophies , architecture , luxurious life , personal pleasure , unbridled lusts , riches and glory etc .

Then he now came to Ecclesiastes 12:13 and said “Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.”

It just epitomizes the true meaning of life as a human . Without God life is meaningless - your toil , suffering , riches , discoveries , they do not make any sense if you perish after God's judgement .

Many people do not believe in any God's judgment. And their lives have very good meaning to them. In your opinion and the opinion of those that subscribe to the idea of the Jewish God that has been laid out without God your life is meaningless but in reality it is different.

And this is from the wisest man known in History - Solomon had written over 3000 Proverbs .

Solomon is not the wisest man known in history. In Jewish mythology he was the wisest man. In reality he wasn't. Solomon did not write the book of proverbs.

damogul:
Dalaman is there none? If there is none whom you being an atheist has offered help to be they theists or atheists then you have no right to criticize my worldview and my beliefs because obviously it is much better than yours as it offers something to friends and non friends alike and is not discriminatory.

You cannot honestly see yourself as better than i am when you have not offered help to anyone here and can only say "nobody has asked you" when i never waited to be asked before i offered help even to those who did not share my beliefs.

You hold no moral ground in this regard.

Thank you. It was nice talking with you.

You are the one competing against yourself. I never claimed I am more generous than you are.

damogul:
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Goalpost shifted!

The question is about YOU!

How many theists have you offered help to on NL? In fact how many atheists have you offered to on NL?

If i a theist could offer help to several atheists on NL then surely you must have at least 1 atheist here on NL you have offered help to as a fellow atheist

I have offered non be cause non has ever asked me for help it's that simple. I have never discussed anything personal with anybody here on NL that will require me giving any assistance. That you have helped some here doesn't make you more generous than I am because my family and friends are all theist and I have helped them a lot. They too have also helped me a lot as well. So it's not a competition.

damogul:
Dalaman look at this

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[b]True believers seek out opportunities to do good and do not wait to be asked. As long as you see the opportunity you cease it as that is what it means by doing good. Doing good is not by compulsion or request alone its out of a necessity which is seen

Agreed. Don't make this as some form of competition because both believers and unbelievers alike in any form.of God or religion all offer to help one another both within and outside the group.

hahn:
I need help

Baba go and join MMM, they'll provide you with help.

damogul:
Do you see your dishonesty? First you asked for the names of atheists i helped or offered help here on NL i obliged you. Now you want details of that help? Guy gerrarrahia men

Give me your list of theists you have offered help here on NL before we move on to details!

Some of the help could be so mundane . They might be asking for an address or looking for a location something that I will expect anybody to render such kind of help when asked. If it is something big I believe you would have stated it.

damogul:
While i ignore this because i have already responded to this earlier from my perspective but you just wish to keep on argung. Can you now give me a list of theists you have offered help here on NL?

Non has requested for any help from me. How can I help.people that have not requested for any help from me?

damogul:
CeoMYN is an atheist whom i offered help.

Mistergrace was an atheist i offered help

Grizzlybear was an atheist i offered help

etc

As a humanist how many theists have you offered help here on NL?

cc Deicide aka eyehategod aka fsms aka NinjaX aka pastafarians

What type of help did you offer them? No atheist or theist has ever requested for any help from me. Pls I'll like to know the type of help you've rendered.

damogul:
No! Christianity is a personal experience with God based on 1 singular principle. When i speak, i speak as a Christian. Universally Christianity is objective as it originates from one principle which is Christ and Christ has shown us how to live.

You speak of christianity is one monolithic group. It is not. There are different types and versions of Christianity. The Catholic church for example and christians and they disagree with the claim.of having a personal relationship with God. Some christians do not agree with some of the pacifist teachings of Jesus.

If you walk into a church to steal, and you get caught why did you even walk in to steal in the first place. Of course you would be forgiven by genuine christians but the fake ones would want to lynch you which is not what Christ prescribed when confronted with the woman caught in the act of adultery. He said he does not condemn her.

How many christians forgive people for stealing their things and offer them more? According to Jesus if a person takes your shirt you are to give him.your coat as well. Which christian does that. Any christian you steal from will like to have you apprehended by the authorities. If he can feal with you personally he will. Pastors are teling christians to take up arms against muslims.radicals and terrorists m didn't Jesus say that they are to run the other check when slapped? What about the teaching that a person has to.provoke you 77*7 times before you retaliate. How many christians adhere to that or even will consider adhering to that? How soon do atheist insult you here before you give it back to them? Your actions and activities here have failed you

You speak emotionally and make hasty generalizations on every turn.

Remember the last time Reinhardt Bonnke was in Nigeria, He happened upon a man who was caught stealing at isolo and was about to be lynched by a mob. He was passing through in his entourage and the crowd made him stop. He rescued the man and took the man with him to germany and today that same man is preaching the gospel of Jesus.

Jungle justice in most parts of the civilized world is a crime. It has nothing to do with christianity because atheistic countries like Japan and South Korea all abhor and have criminalized jungle justice.

I suggest you stop making hasty generalizations. Those who follow the teachings of Christ are unseen by you because you choose to only see those who do not follow so you can use them to continue convincing yourself that you were right by being a humanist

There are no christians that chose to follow the pacifist teaching of Jesus. I am.yet to see the Christian that will willingly give me his second phone after I steal his first.

damogul:
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Its not about practice its about Gods instruction. Does practice or a lack of fit erase an existing instruction to do so? Does breaking or not breaking the law erase the law? I for one practice it so use me as a yardstick

It is still subjective because only christians subscribe to it. HIndus do not subscribe or agree to it for example. Even amongchristians. Many do not agree to it and as such they do not.practice it.

[l[b]So sad really! Do you know how many atheists i have offered help right here on NL? Do you know how many of them have actually accepted that help? If i speak it does not mean i hate...If it were true should i be even having this convo with you even after you repeatedly called me a liar on other threads?[/b]

Name the atheist you have offered help to here on NL. All I know is that your insults and the hate you have shown the atheist here shows that you do not like them. You have never opened any thread caking for atheist to be prayed for and when the atheist insult or ridicule you, you always pay them back immediately. You have failed in that regards. Your post and activities here speak for themselves.

damogul:
Dalaman this below clearly shows you the objectivity in Christianity. Its not based on emotions it is impersonal and non-discriminatory.

It is not only subjective but it is false. If it is objective it will have universal acceptance. It is false because Christains themselves do not adhere to it. Any christian that I offend and slap will definitely slap me back. Christians do not love their neighbors as they love their selves. Take a.look at what is happening in the church today. If I go and steal.what belongs to a christian he will not give me.another of his.possession instead he'll call the cops on me. If he can he'll beat the hell out of me. The this written inside the bible are not only subjective but false because christians do not even adhere to them. They can't because it is impossible. Of someone steals your phone you will not give him.the other one but you'll quckily try to call the authoritit's on him.

damogul:
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Bless those that curse you, Pray for them that despitefully use you. Bless...do not curse for sweet and bitter water cannot flow from the same source.
Love your neighbour as yourself. If your enemy asks you for a cup of water, give him...etc

All these are found in the bible but the reality is how many christians practice them. It is impossible to practice them. Christians do not pray for their enemies or show them love instead they pray to their God to protect them from their enemies and cast them away. Those that are strong destroy their enemies and chase them down.

All those are found in the Bible. So God is not interested in what your neighbour did or if they disrespected your religious beliefs, He has already commanded the above thereby fulfilling the 2 golden rules of loving God with everything in you and loving your neighbour AS YOURSELF.

Another nonsense talk. You can not love your neighbour as you love yourself. You as an individual can not do that. Even here on NL you are always insulting athiest people that are your neighbours and whom you consider to be enemies. You call them names and insult them instead of praying for them and showing them love. So you see the Christian love you talk about is a myth and can not be practiced by anybody. You yourself have failed in that regard. All your post and insults against the atheist who you consider to be your emenies have shown that even you can not love your enemies and pray for them. You do not love the atheist on NL and you have never opened a topic urging anybody to praypray for threm.You give them exactly as they give you.

damogul:
Oga stop being mega dishonest. How does the meaning of life offered by a Muslim or a Christian change the fact that THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO GIVE MEANING AND SHAPE to their own lives which you being a self professed humanist ought to know.

Its not about it being true or false its about WHAT MAKES THEM HAPPY AND WHAT GIVES MEANING AND SHAPE TO THEIR LIVES. A true humanist does not dabble into things of this nature as they respect the rights of others to giving meaning to their lives which was why i was surprised you said grizlybears meaning to his life was false.

Are you sure you are a humanist or you just said that to dodge a bullet?

You are the one that lied that Religion gives human an objective meaning to life until I called you out and showed you that it is not true. You can give what ever meaning and purpose you chose to ascribe to your life. It remains subjective. I disagree with his philosophy in life but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have the right to hold it. After all in reality what ever meaning we ascribe to our lives are all subjective. As such we can only disagree with each other. That doesn't mean that any of us holds any objective meaning or purpose to life. It's all subjective.

Edenoscar:
Not all religion aim is to please God, and since i believe that religion is man made how do you expect me to subscribe to this your objective(aka subjective in disguise) meaning of life

How can he say that Religion offers a objective purpose and meaning to life and end up spewing that nonsense. Some religions don't have any God or diety in which they worship. Even if you agree that they all have deities sone Diests don't want you to please them. You can not please all your neighbours. What is your neighbour does things that disagrees with your religious beliefs, how can you please him?

damogul:
Since you are fixated to this idea that Religion offers subjective meaning to life even when i tell you its Objective. Since you believe its subjective which is in line with your humanistic worldview which GIVES ME A RIGHT TO GIVE MEANING OR SHAPE to my life why then do you stand against Religion or my beliefs which give meaning to my life

You stating something that is false doesn't make it true. The reason that christianity gives your life is different from that which Islam gives to the life of a muslim for example. Both are subjective. The is NO objective meaning of life. You just stated your own subjective meaning of life that your religion gives you, the at meaning differs greatly to the meaning another religion gives another person. I did not bother to attack the reason you gave because there was no need to. We as humans stand against things we disagree with. It's a human thing that we all do.

damogul:
Since you agree that humanism is a quagmire of confusion which is simply emotional and subjective and infers that man determines his happiness and his direction in life which could be in a zig zag manner as they deem fit or in a shoot and kill manner which they also deem fit then how is your morality rated? Personally? If personally, by what standards? If by the law then who rated the law in the first place if you say the human law giver then who rated the human law givers source of the law he gave?

Humans have always been the source and law givers to themselves. There is no standard to all purpose and meaning of life since they are all subjective.

Religion offers an OBJECTIVE meaning to life and that is to please God and please your neighbours (others) but you are focused on only pleasing yourself as a humanist and by extension others if those paths cross but your position as someone who does not know how we got here yet you reject religious creationism even when that is an option to how we got here is a bit dishonest.

Religion does NOT offer any objective meaning to life. Your own religion offers its subjective meaning to your life and the life of those that subscribe to it. The meaning and purpose of the life of a muslims, Hindu and Buddhist for example are all different from.yours. Your religion is not the only religion around there are many other differentreligions. So religious meaning and purpose of life are all subjective.

This is probably why even on grizlybears thread you never offered to help him out of his wicked thinking but even you saw sense in what he wrote. True?

I did. I clearly told him that I disagreed with his position and we debated it. His position is senseless to me.

felixomor:
So u chose a meaning for your life without querrying its origin?

Ok o.

Is this not what damogul was asking, that u kept dodging?

What has its origin got to do with anything.

damogul:
Humanism is a democratic and ethical life stance, [b]which affirms that human beings have the right and responsibility to give meaning and shape to their own lives[/b]

So why did you call grizlybears meaning to his life a FALSE ONE?

if you have the right to give meaning and shape to YOUR OWN LIFE how then are you able to rate your rights and your wrongs and is a humanistic view not subjective? Can your meaning to life not be meaningless to another humanist? Can your idea of right not be wrong to another humanist? If a humanist decides to become a serial killer because that gives MEANING AND SHAPE to his life is he wrong?

I admit that meaning and purpose of life is subjective. The meaning and purpose all humans give to their lifeet is subjective. That is a fact. I also admit that my disagreement with the meaning and purpose grizzly bear ascribe to his life is subjective. Just the same way your disagreement with the purpose and meaning a Hindu or a muslims ascribes to his/her life is subjective. There is NO objective meaning and purpose to life. If there is STATE IT. Tell me what it is.

felixomor:
Do u know the origin of humanism?

No I don't. You tell me.

damogul:
Hasty generalization! Please answer my question directly and stop being dodgy

You have no point . Life's meaning is what ever you chose to.make.of it. It's meaning is not universal. It just depends on what you chose to make of it. If you disagree then tell me the universally meaning and purpose of life that is acceptable by all human beings.

felixomor:
Actually, u keep giving religious examples because personally, your life has no meaning.
Better define it now.

#Fact #Honestly

My life has meaning. Am a humanist and I find meaning in that philosophy of life. A hedonist finds meaning in hedonism. Life has no universal meaning and it seems that reality keeps paining you.

damogul:
So since you do not know, how then can you be sure of a purpose you do not know about? If you say life has individual meanings, how can you be sure of your own meaning to life IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW YOU GOT HERE AND WHY?

The above is the question i asked you which you are trying to answer with a question. Answer my question directly. You say you have your own meaning to life which is personal to you. WHY?

You say you do not know how you got here on earth..which means you do not know why as without a WHY the HOW is useless. So how can you justify your personal meaning to life?

I do not need to know how I got here to give my life purpose. I find meaning and purpose from the things around me. Am a humanist and I do not need to know why I am here to give my life meaning and purpose. The why and how I got here has nothing to do with humanism. You have to show me why my life must ONLY have meaning and purpose when I know why and how I came into existence. You must show how that applies to all humans and if all humans agree to that.

damogul:
You keep using religion to offer pointers. Stick to atheism ..this discussion is on atheism.

So since you do not know how you got here which means you do not know WHY you got here why then do you paint a purpose you are not sure of?

What has purpose God to do with why I got here? The purpose of my life is what I chose to.make of it. I can not stop using religious example because that is the only way I can explain to you and make you understand that you have no point at all. What is the purpose of the life of a muslim ? It is to submit to Allah's will as a loyal slave. What is the purpose of life of a Buddhist? To achieve nirvana. Life own is own has no purpose the purpose of life is what ever you chose to make of it. That is why life has different purpose to different individuals. If you disagree then tell me the universally accepted purpose of human life and show me how it is universally accepted.

damogul:
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So since you do not know how then can you be sure of a purpose you do not know about? If you say life has individual meanings, how can you be sure of your own meaning to life IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW YOU GOT HERE AND WHY?

Which purpose? What is the universal purpose of life? Life's meaning is what you chose to.make of it and it varies from.religion to religion and from individual to individual. What is the universal purpose and meaning of life that is accepted by all human beings. Tell me.

damogul:
They say theists are dumb, We shall see.

In furtherance to this dalaman since life has individual meanings yet you say grizlybears individual meaning to his life is a false one can i also say your individual meaning to life is a false one?

Yes to me it is false just as you also believe that the meaning muslims ascribe to to life is also false.

damogul:
Dalaman since you do not believe in RELIGIOUS creationism what creationism do you believe in?

My position is that something or somethings could be responsible for the existence of the universe. Since nobody has produced and incontrovertible and objective evidenceevidence am happy to say that I do not know. No one truly knows how the universe came.about we can only guess. The reality is we don't know.

damogul:
Dalaman you believe that God does not exist but do you believe in Creation?

I don not believe in religious creationism.