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Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 9:58am On Dec 16, 2016
damogul:
So you say Grizlybears belief that life is meaningless is a false one? Do you believe in Creation?
It is because obviously meaning can be drawn from life. I do not believe in religious creationism.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 9:56am On Dec 16, 2016
felixomor:
Life has no universal meaning is the same thing as life has no meaning.

Throwing "liar" ad hominems around wont hide you..

Besides u keep giving religious examples.
I wonder.

Have u forgotten the title of this thread?
Or u really have a grammar problem.
It is a lie they are not the same thing. Life has no universal meaning. If it does tell me the universally accepted meaning of life. Life has individual meaning but it doesn't have a universal acceptable meaning. You remain a liar until you some that the universal meaning of life is and how it is universally accepted.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 9:52am On Dec 16, 2016
DoctorAlien:
Don't tell me I'm conversing with a kid. You don't act peurile by throwing tantrums and ad hominems and mockeries when you have no solid, logical rebuttal to an argument.

Keeping quiet accords you much more dignity.
A chistian is a mindless and indoctrinated zombie and has no reason not to be one.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 9:50am On Dec 16, 2016
felixomor:
Na u be liar o grin



Even another apetheist helped u to reinforce it.



U r the liar bro.
Life has no universal meaning is what I said. I did not say that life has no meaning. By universal meaning I mean life has no universally accepted meaning. The meaning of.life to a christian is very different to that of a muslims and that is also different to that of a Hindu or Taoist. Life has no universal meaning Isn't the same as life has no meaning. I Clearly stated that life has meaning and the meaning is what we hose to make of it. You remain a liar.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 9:47am On Dec 16, 2016
damogul:
Dalaman is grizlybears reality a false one?
Yes it is.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 9:46am On Dec 16, 2016
damogul:

You really do know how to flatter yourself. Why not use atheism to discuss the meaning of life rather than running to the religious to make an example. Why not use atheists to make examples?

Have you ever heard of the 52 most notorious atheists in history?
I am not talking about meaning of life but showing that the meaning of life varies and isn't universal that is why I used religion to prove my point.

What is the difference between the notorious atheist in history and your biblical prophets what went about with your murderous God killing and anhilating others in your bible. What is the difference between Moa and Josh or Moses in the bible? All were genocidal psycophats who went about killing people en mass.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 9:42am On Dec 16, 2016
damogul:
If others believe in destroying humanity for their God which in this case i believe ISLAM is your focus then why not focus on that since you feel its repulsive.

However even they still hold meaning to life but a nihilist sees nothing in nothing so does not believe in anything as meaningful since his own life was an accident of nature. I quote grizlybear

"I wish i was not born because my life was by chance. Chance brought me here so what then is the purpose to my life?"
That remains hos opinion and his alone. Most other atheist do not subscribe to that philosophy. I don't know why you are pained by that.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 9:39am On Dec 16, 2016
damogul:
With God or the gods of other religious people the meaning is one...PURPOSE! and this PURPOSE breeds DESIRE and DISCOVER.

You on the other hand who is godless and do not believe God or gods exist are simply making up meaning as you go so to you there is no one meaning to life as the one you hold on to today can become meaningless tomorrow as you evolve as an atheist.

The Alpha atheist is the one who has fully embraced nihilism and you are yet to get to the level.

Everytime we talk about meaning in life you always use the religious to offer examples why can you not use your position as an atheist to offer meaning to your own life.
The fact remains life's meaning is what ever you chose to make of it. I noticed that you are pained dyer your lies about aheism and nihilism have been debunked. You have now resorted to an alpha atheist is a nihilist bla bla bla. You clearly do not know what you are talking about. I do not use the religious to talk about the meaning of life . I only use the religious to show that life has various meanings to different reli6groups and doesn't have a universal meaning as some religious people falsely claim.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 9:33am On Dec 16, 2016
DoctorAlien:
This not so much about the meaning of life: this is about the fact that atheism ====> nihilism.

A true atheist is a nihilist because there is absolutely no reason not to be one.
A true christian is a mindless zombie and absolutely has no reason not to be one.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 9:30am On Dec 16, 2016
damogul:
You are being disingenuous! You admitted to some being nihilistic and one being right here on NL. What is the comparative statistical assessment of this based on the small number of atheists on NL?

Did I say all atheists are nihilistic ? We are talking statistics.

Will u say his reality is a false one?
So what if some people are nihilistic? Others believe in destroying humanity for their God.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 9:27am On Dec 16, 2016
DoctorAlien:
grin grin grin grin grin grin

Of course. How can life have any meaning without the One who created it?
Even with God life has different meanings to various religious people. The meaning of life for a Hindu is different to that of a muslim and both of them believe in God. So you see even with the Gods that allegedly created life, life has no universal meaning.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 9:24am On Dec 16, 2016
felixomor:
Life has no "meaning"
Yet u found meaning in urs abi?

So ur "concept of meaning" is your delusion.

Safe journey. grin
Where did I say that life has no meaning? Point it out you liar.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 9:22am On Dec 16, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Buddha never said he was an atheist . He was simply indifferent about gods . Atheism requires an explicit conscious rejection of gods and that is why Diagoras of Melos according to history is the first atheist .

Socrates was a deist . He condemned the gods worshiped by the larger society. Socrates subscribed to Telelogy and believed that god arranges everything for the best. Religious skepticism is inherent in deism . The same way Xenophanes is regarded as a deist - he criticized anthropomorphism of gods . Every deist ever known to history has been skeptical about the worship of gods .
Diagoras was the first person in Greko Roman culture to OPENLY show disbelief in the Gods. Remember it was a capital offence at that time so many hide their disbelief because they will be kills if they came out openly. Before him in India there were atheist atheist.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 8:58am On Dec 16, 2016
felixomor:
Your 2 contradictions exposed earlier says it.

When u personally find something that doesn't exist universally.

My brother u r deluded.
cool
What is man saying? grin grin

I said life has no universal meaning to all humans. That is a fact. You can NOT dispute it because you know it is a fact. Life has meaning to individuals but it is not universally accepted. That is a statement of fact and not contradictory in any way.

Pls what do you mean by when I personally do not find something that exist universally in the universe I am deluded?
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 8:53am On Dec 16, 2016
damogul:
Am I free to say compression eludes you?

If we say the atheists on NL are 500 which is even a favourable exaggeration and out of that 500 we can already find 1 who is nihilistic and wishes death on everyone can we now not apply statistics to that?

is his reality a false one? Answer me pls
I acknowledged in my post earlier that some people are nihilist. Atheism has nothing to do with nihilism. I am an atheist and I am not a nihilist. Only one atheist here subscribe to that philosophy. You on the other hand are shamelessly ting to insinuate that atheist are al nililist until I called you out on that.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 8:48am On Dec 16, 2016
felixomor:
The fact u keep using religious people as ur example even buttresses my point.

U have agreed that you live in a "delusion" like religious people.

grin
Welcome
How do you jump from life has no universal meaning to living a life of delusion like religious people? I am stating facts whIle you are just shooting blanks.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 8:46am On Dec 16, 2016
damogul:
Why are you getting upset? Do atheists no longet believe in facts? I just gave you true facts about atheism and its links to nihilism and you are screaming blue murder.

Is this discussion about Christians or muslims? So you agree that my statistical presentation is right.
Upset about what? I am just calling you out on your dishonesty. You tried to say that atheist are nihilist until I challenge you to name one atheist apart from the one we all know about here on nairaland and his statement in support of nihalism but you couldn't, instead you went on some imaginary extrapolation on atheiesm and nihilism saying that so so amount of atheist are nihilist out of some numbers you imagined in your head. grin
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 8:40am On Dec 16, 2016
felixomor:
U didnt answer the question.
Dats why U r choosing ad hominem.

because i laid bare your double mouth just within 2 paragraphs.

And u indirectly just said u live in a "delusion" like the religious people u and ur colleagues blast.

Its only a fool who will say man found himself on earth by accident and still claim that life has meaning. In case u dont know
You have no point my friend. I stated a fact that you can't dispute. Life has no universal meaning that os why the meaning of life varies amongst individuals. If you disagree and insist that life has a universal meaning the state the universal meaning and show me how it is acceptable by all human beings.

Life has meaning and the meaning is what ever you chose to make of it. People give their lives meaning for different reasons. You are just begging the question with your porous argument. Even with God life has various meanings to those that subscribe to the God idea because there are various Gods. The meaning of life to a muslim is diffrent from that it a Hindu for example and both of them believe in God. Even with God life has diffrent meanings. So you see, you have no point.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman:
damogul:
If out of about 500 atheists, one can say life is meaningless and went as far as wishing death on everyone is that not troubling? He is not even married or probably not yet matured enough for that yet.

Scientifically i could say that out of every 500 atheist one is nihilistic in nature so if we had 1 million atheists then we could have 10,000 nihilistic atheists running wild out there. True ?
So what if one out of 500 atheist here is a nihilist? we have end of day Christain enthusiasts that can not wait for the armegedon. They are ernestly praying for it and can't wait for it to come. Islamic terrorist are also there trying to establish the caliphate. You don't seem to have any point. Nilhalism is a philosophy that some people subscribe to. To claim that all atheist are nihilist is a shameless and dishonest and that is what you are shamelessly trying to insinuate.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 8:29am On Dec 16, 2016
felixomor:
..




huh

In other words, anybody who finds meaning to life (including you) is living in a delusion.

because if something doesnt exist universally and i find it personally. Thats a delusion.

So according to the above you and majority of the atheists (as u claim) who find meaning to life live also in the same delusions as religious people.

Abi?
The above remains your own dishonest spin. The truth of the matter is that life has no universal meaning. You CAN NOT show me that life has any universal meaning. I have shown you cleary that life has no universal meaning. The meaning of the life of a muslim is very different from that of a Buddhist and that I'd also very diffrent from.that of a Hindu. Life has no universally accepted meaning. The meaning of life is what ever we chose to make of it and that is the fact and reality. It seems you are more interested in arguing aimlessly and shooting blanks.
Christianity EtcRe: 3 Reasons I Can Never Become An Atheist by dalaman: 8:24am On Dec 16, 2016
damogul:
I also KNOW God is real but the question should be how would you want to KNOW God is real if you seek for evidence? Is a physical evidence going to tbe the litmus test or a spiritual evidence?

The KNOWING of God has indeed changed the course of humanity in Billions of Christians worldwide. Is there a way you can disprove their KNOWING?
Just the same way the way about 1.8 billion know that Allah exist. The same.KNOWING of Allah has changed their own lives worldwide.
In reality what you call knowing is nothing but systematic indoctrination.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 8:21am On Dec 16, 2016
DoctorAlien:
Assuming I am to become an atheist today: why should I subscribe to a view like humanism?
Its left for you to study the humanist philosophy and chose whether to accept it or discard it based on its merits and demerits. I am.not the one to tell you what to do.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 8:19am On Dec 16, 2016
felixomor:
So it took u almost 4 paragraphs to contradict urself after u have finished lashing out at the atheist who said life is meaningless.
U still landed at the spot "life is meaningless"

Or is it the grammar that swindled u before?
What is the universal meaning of life to all humans? Prove to me that life has the same.meaning to all humans.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman:
damogul:
You are confusing yourself. You say life has meaning but it depends on what meaning is attached to it. Is Meaninglessness not a meaning to some?

Doing a micro study usig nairaland, How many atheists are here on nairaland and out of the few (lets say 500) about 3 have subscribed to life being meaningless and one even went as far as wishing we all went extinct.

Is meaninglessness not meaningful to him?
Only one atheist so far as stated that life is meaningless here on NL. If you know of any other state his name and qoute where he said it. Life has meaning and the meaning is what ever we chose to ascribe to it.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 8:03am On Dec 16, 2016
felixomor:
So what is the meaning of your own life?
I derive meaning from various things for my life. Different things give me meaning and shape my life. As I said life has NO universal meaning. We all.pick and chose what ever it is we want to give us meaning and purpose.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 7:58am On Dec 16, 2016
DoctorAlien:
Can you disprove the assertion that atheism promotes the view that life is meaningless and purposeless?

Bear in mind that anything that is purposeless has no reason to be.
Atheism is simply the disbelief in the existence of Gods. Meaning can be found in various philosophies of life. An atheist can be a humanist for example. Religion isn't the only philosophy that gives life meaning. There are atheistic religions like Buddhism so you clearly do not even know what you are talking about by insinuating that atheism view life as meaningless. Many atheist subscribe to the buddist philosophy and strive to archive nirvana and they see that as the meaning and purpose of their lives.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 7:40am On Dec 16, 2016
felixomor:
Read his thread and u will find otherz who agree with him.
By the way did u just imply that life has meaning? huh
For real?
Life has meaning but the meaning of life is whatever you choose to make of it. Life has no universal meaning. We all chose the meaning we want to attach to life.

To a muslim life's meaning is to submit his/herself to the will of Allah as a loyal slave To a Buddhist life's meaning is to achieve nirvana, to a christian is to achieve salvation in the life to come, to a hedonist life's meaning is to gain as much sensual pleasure as possible, to a sadistic psychopath life's meaning is to inflict as much pains and sorrow on others. A humanist sees the meaning of life as making sure you preserve life and maintain social justice. Life does have meaning to people. It just depends on whatever you choose to accept as the meaning of life. Nihalist are the ones that see life as meaningless.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 7:22am On Dec 16, 2016
felixomor:
Which sense of humanity does atheism have?

When even some atheists here on NL believe life is meaningless?
Only one atheist on nairaland believes life is meaningless. Apart from him can you name another athiests here that holds that position?

When they believe morality is subjective?

Have u not read such posts before?

Abeg save us a call the humanity talk.
Morality is indeed subjective.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman: 3:36am On Dec 16, 2016
4kings:
Aren't you trying to mislead the public into thinking, atheism has no sense of humanity, with this your posts?

Hopefullandlord brought up an atheist whose sense of humanity is beyond that of regular Christians. And because of bigotry, you are saying the stance of a self declared atheist is "Arguable" SMH
His sheer dishonesty can be seen by all. He goes about shamelessly lying that atheism was invented by Diagoras when in reality he was just the first person to openly state his unbelief without fear in classical Greece because at that time disbelief in the Gods was a capital crime. Many before him denied the existence of the Gods but were afraid of openly stating it. Even socrates before him was accused of atheism because he didnt believe in the existence of the Gods but was quiet about it.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by dalaman:
KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism is a man made idea started by a crazy guy called Diagoras 2,500 years ago . It his not here to stay , it is unnatural with devastating effects on the brain undecided
Will you stop this shameless lie. You read a little thing take it out of context and give it a life of it's own. Atheism has been with man since the inception of time. Diagoras was the first person in classical Greece and Rome to openly come out and blaspheme by making public the Eleusinian Mysteries and discouraging people from being initiated. During their time going against the Gods was a capital punishment. From wikipedia it says. "Historically, any person who did not believe in any deity supported by the state was fair game to accusations of atheism, a capital crime". Socrates that lived before Diagoras was accused of being atheos ("refusing to acknowledge the gods recognized by the state"wink. He was formally accused of not believing in the Gods by Meletus. Enough of your lies . There have been atheist even during the Vedic period(iron age) in India.

From wikipedia it says :
" Ideas that would be recognized today as atheistic are documented from the Vedic period and the classical antiquity".

Enough of your lies that atheism was invented by Diagoras. Socrates before him was accused of atheism for refusing to recognized the Gods sanctioned by the state at that time. Enough of your lies. Before them people were already inventing religions without deities in Asia. Buddha was considered to be an atheist himself and created a religion that had nothing to do with the Gods.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by dalaman: 2:00pm On Dec 15, 2016
KingEbukaNaija:
Can these atheists focus on the Op ?

Dalaman claims that he does not support evolution , does he support the OP ?
huh
Christianity EtcRe: If Islam Is Really A Religion Of Peace, Then Why Are Muslims Killing Themselves? by dalaman: 7:11am On Dec 15, 2016
alBHAGDADI:
Tell that to the Quran who orders all Muslims to kill non-believers.
Again your opinion.

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