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Omudia11:
It is an ideology, a religion. Fighting Islamic terrorism is fighting Islam. That is a lost battle my dear. Moreover it was predicted in the bible that the sword will never depart from their land.

How can fighting Islamic terrorism be fighting Islam when a lot of muslims are involved in fighting radical Islamic terrorist? You clearly do not know what you are talking about.

alBHAGDADI:
Radical Islam and Islam are no 2 different things. Just cos you think you practice the moderate type doesn't mean that is truly how Islam is. The fact that you are not following Mohammad's sunnah i.e the ways of the prophet, which the Quran described as the best example for mankind, is enough reason to label you a untrue Muslim. You have to be a jihadist to call yourself a muslim or hide your face.

Shut up. Am not a muslim. It is a lie to put all muslims in a bag or tell muslims what Islam is. What you just write remains your own opinion .

Radical Islamic fundamentalism is a very dangerous idea. We need to fight it and destroy it at all times.

damogul:
Can you offer me proof of this?

Summary

The archaeological data do not accord with what could be expected from the Bible's exodus story: there is no evidence that the Israelites ever lived in Ancient Egypt, the Sinai Peninsula shows almost no sign of any occupation at all for the entire 2nd millennium BCE, and even Kadesh-Barnea, where the Israelites are said to have spent 38 years, was uninhabited prior to the establishment of the Israelite monarchy.[15] Scholars generally agree that while the exodus narrative contains late 2nd millennium elements, it has not been demonstrated that these elements could not belong to any other period and they are consistent with "knowledge that a 1st millennium BCE writer trying to set an old story in Egypt could have known."[16] A few scholars, notably Kenneth Kitchen and James K. Hoffmeier, continue to discuss the historicity, or at least plausibility, of the story.[17] They advance a range of arguments to explain the lack of evidence: possibly the Egyptian records of the presence of the Israelites and their escape have been lost or suppressed; possibly (or probably) the fleeing Israelites left no archaeological trace in the desert; possibly the huge numbers reported in the story are mistranslated.[18]


Numbers and logistics

According to Exodus 12:37–38, the Israelites numbered "about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children," plus many non-Israelites and livestock.[19] Numbers 1:46 gives a more precise total of 603,550 men aged 20 and up.[20] It is difficult to reconcile the idea of 600,000 Israelite fighting men with the information that the Israelites were afraid of the Philistines and Egyptians.[21] The 600,000, plus wives, children, the elderly, and the "mixed multitude" of non-Israelites would have numbered some 2 million people.[22] Marching ten abreast, and without accounting for livestock, they would have formed a line 150 miles long.[23] The entire Egyptian population in 1250 BCE is estimated to have been around 3 to 3.5 million,[24][22] and no evidence has been found that Egypt ever suffered the demographic and economic catastrophe such a loss of population would represent, nor that the Sinai desert ever hosted (or could have hosted) these millions of people and their herds.[25] Some have rationalised the numbers into smaller figures, for example reading the Hebrew as "600 families" rather than 600,000 men, but all such solutions have their own set of problems.[26] The most probable explanation is that 600,000 symbolises the total destruction of the generation of Israel which left Egypt, none of whom lived to see the Promised Land,[27] while the 603,550 is a gematria (a code in which numbers represent letters or words) for bnei yisra'el kol rosh, "the children of Israel, every individual".[28]

Archaeology

A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found no evidence which can be directly related to the Exodus captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness,[29] and archaeologists generally agree that the Israelites had Canaanite origins.[30] The culture of the earliest Israelite settlements is Canaanite, their cult-objects are those of the Canaanite god El, the pottery remains are in the Canaanite tradition, and the alphabet used is early Canaanite.[31] Almost the sole marker distinguishing the "Israelite" villages from Canaanite sites is an absence of pig bones, although whether even this is an ethnic marker or is due to other factors remains a matter of dispute.[31]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus

damogul:
So which parts are true and which parts are lies?

Some of the words and teachings are true. A lot of the figures and historical events are false. Example the Exodus is a false and non historical event.

damogul:
Where did you see me mention verdes and Quran? Did Seun mention verdes or Quran when he made his comment?

It doesn't matter parts of all.religious books are true.

damogul:
Even he who claims to be an atheist is depending on another persons definition to convince himself of what it is. He cannot employ his own ability to research and understand leanings. Which is why they fail to realize that there are atheists who believe in some of the things theists believe just like seun who said the other day that SOME parts of the Bible are TRUE

Of course some parts of the bible, Koran and Hindu Verdes are true.

KingEbukasBlog:
No sir . This is what it means to be created in God's image and likeness

That is your opinion and I respect it but when you read the bible you see where God himself talks about his body parts like his hands, eyes and even his clothing. He has a voice, he sees, feels etc. Are you denying those things written inside the bible of giving them.your own interpretation?

KingEbukasBlog:
Christians may interpret it literally but they may not know the proper terms to describe it .

God is a Spirit , immaterial , non human , invisible - every Christian knows this - and His appearance to Moses means he appeared in human form ( Theophany ) . But its delineation is Christophany .

You dig ?

Ebuka and his terminologies. The God of the bible claims he created humans in his own image and likeness. Obviously he has body parts like humans which he always talks about in the bible. The metaphorical expression is that of theologians that are not happy with that expression of portrayal of God.

KingEbukasBlog:
That's how we Christians see it . Judaism sees it as metaphorical or as a theophany .

Other theophanies include

God's appearance as a burning bush , on Mount Sinai there was lightening and thunder , smoke , fire and trumpet sounds when Yahweh manifested etc

Since I said it was pre-incarnate Christ , its called a Christophany .

That is how you as Ebuka sees it. Many christians have no problem interpreting it literally.

KingEbukasBlog:
I clearly explained that if it is taken literally , it is pre-incarnate Christ or a theophany , if its not then it is the use of anthropomorphism (metaphorical )

Either of the two is true .

Pre-incarnate Christ in Jewish stories abi? Well done.

KingEbukasBlog:
Literal interpretation is

1. It was pre-incarnate Christ talking

2. It was theophany

Nobody is insisting that either the literal or metaphorical view of the text is incontrovertibly true . Simple


And I'm not a deist . I'm just fascinated by deism .

Inother words it is just pure speculation since non of the two positions are actually true in the real sense of the word.

hahn:
Obviously, god is promising Moses a sigh of it's back

And what the hell does this mean?



Is this divine guessing?

It is divine making things as you go.

KingEbukasBlog:
@ Dalaman

This further supports my belief that Gods are man made. Men have to keep explaining and refining what ever concept of God it is they have imagined. Modern theologians are the ones setting these things up. The ancients had no problem saying that Jacod (Israel )wrestled with God or that Moses was shown the back.parts of God.

ehie:
Gallant or wasted ?

The Nigerian soldiers are not gallant. They are only gallant when they come in contact with the civilian population. When they meet their match they usually run away be it armed robbers, BH or militants from the Niger delta .

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism is clearly not for thinkers .

I explained that the appearance of God to men is a called a theophany . And God appears in human form in such a way comprehensible to man since God is inscrutable .

To you God is inscrutable but to the authors of the biblical stories God is not. They imagined a differentGod from you.

I've said it before that I'm not good expressing my thoughts , but I think I was clear on what it means that God is above 10 dimensions . I think you are being disingenuous and a way of sustaining your unbelief is to mock and ridicule . I will keep posting my new thoughts and ideas about anything as my research goes on .

Truly I like you and the way you express your self sometimes. I've learned a lot from you about somethings . I just fear that you are going astray and soon you'll become like MrPresident or one of those looney conspiracy theorist christians out there. You are more likely to mix science fiction with some blend of Christian beliefs as you go along formin your own absurd beliefs that is neither biblical or has the backing of science.

walemoney007:
i dont pity them too expecially the Nigerian army they are so brutal and senseless.
i will never forget my journey to ikare in 2014,soldiers told a man in his late 50's to kneel down just because he didnt horn before passing through their check point...the man wife and children was in the car too o.

Nigeria is a useless country

I don't pity the members of the Nigerian military at all. I am not happy that BH are killing them but I am not sad that they are being killed by BH. They are very brutal and dangerous . They have no respect for the civilian population at all. I've seen where they stripped an 18 years old girl naked for dropping orange peel in their check point. They seriously beat up two other men in the bus that were begging them to stop because their actions was draconion. I've seen where army officers beat up a man terrrebly after they hit his car. They hit his car while trying to over take him in front of a hospital in Jos. They were at fault completely but came down and started blaming him.for driving slowly like a woman, when he tried standing his ground and letting them know that they were at fault they decended on him and beat him till he was unconscious. I know a guy that was stabbed by a soldier in the eye because of a lady. They were competing over a lady and he want and stabbed the guy in the eyes. There are countlessof such stories all over Nigeria . The.members of the armed forces are very brutal and foolish. They have no respect for the civilian population at all.

I never feel any pity for them. If BH can only kill only the military personnel and stop killing members of the public I'll welcome it. I hate BH only because they kill innocent civilians. I wouldn't feel bad if they are killing only the members of the Nigerian armed forces. They (members of the armed forces)have killed more civilians than armed robbers and.other criminals. And the thing is they always get away with it.

Deicide:
Lol is the guy no longer a Christian again or maybe na Mormon him be now

Soon he'll be a Christain scientologist.

Deicide:
Sometimes i wonder if it's Ur ass ur brain is If @bolded is true then explain omnipresence

His God doesn't exist in the universe but in a 10 dimensional portal.

jonbellion:
that was where he showed us how much of a science fiction fan he was and fantasy
Apparently heaven is actually asgard
Lol
Portal
Checkmate athiests

Welcome to the world of KingEbukasBlog, our startreck evangelist. 10 dimensional plane and portal. I wonder if he is referring to the biblical God that fights with humans and boast of staining his clothing with their blood. How can a God that fights with humans and wears clothing be living in a 10 dimensional portal? Only the one that lives in the head and imaginations of KingEbukasBlog.

KingEbukasBlog:
The only people who see the possibility of different creator beings are the Polydeists and polytheists . Like I said earlier , deism is more like based on reason , so the polydeists posit that there could be more of than one creator gods . They were not explicit about the nature of those beings - if they were all Supreme beings .

In polytheism , there is always a hierarchy of divinity - you have one supreme being and a pantheon of lesser gods .

Can you show me any religion apart from Christianity that aver that there are more than one Supreme Being ?

Polytheistic religions include Hinduism, some form of Buddism like Mahayana Buddhism, Taoism, Shintoism, tribal religions in the Americas and Africa. These religions have pantheons of deities and supreme beings that they worship.

KingEbukasBlog:
There is no proof the universe is eternal . Isn't it apparent that those who propose the idea of an eternal universe are the atheists because they believe an eternal universe could preclude the existence of God . Let's assume the universe is eternal (though compelling evidence proves it is not) , it still does not preclude God because we can see the universe as the material manifestation of God or as part of His essence .

So what ever that is responsoble for the universe is male
and he alone created the entire universe? You know this how?? Your evidence that the universe was created by a single entity Is WHAT?

There are so many proofs of the 10 dimensions of space . You can research more on it . God is a fact . Atheism is an man made idea that began 2,500 years ago with Diagoras of Melos .

Your own God idea was created just 2000 years ago after the followers of some dead Jew decided to invent stories that say he was born of a Virgin and resurrected from the dead about 40 years after he died. God is not a fact but a a man made idea. I repeat yours was formed just 2000 year ago from the existing idea of the God created by the Jews. Their own God idea had to go through a lot of construction and restructuring.

If you look at those Atheist Greeks arguments , they were so poor . They asked people to show them this god they worshiped , they couldn't because of course the Supreme Being is not confined to three dimensions but in above 10 dimensions , that explains his invisible nature also .

Check this out :

1 dimension - a straight line

2 dimensions of space and one dimension of time - all things will exist in a straight line , everything'd be flat . And changes are observed

3 dimensions of space and one dimension of time - all things can move freely in solid form . And changes are observed

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> 10 dimensions and non existent dimension of time - We have an invisible , immutable and an eternal immaterial being

But since people could not explain to ignorant Diagoras and his coterie of atheist friends , they mocked them and claimed that since people can't show them their gods then they don't exist .

Atheism was founded on ignorance .

Endless word salads, check out your bible stories no where does it day that your God lives in any 10 dimensional plane, in fact he was scared the people could build a tower and reach him that he had to change their languages. He used to address the people through public speech, he comes down and fights with them and stain his garment with their blood, he has enemies amongst humans etc. The bible does not portray a God that lives in any 10 dimensional space but a God that loves on the skies and actively acts in the world. 10 dimensional plane is the invention of modern day christian apologist because of new scientific knowledge that man has aquired.

KingEbukasBlog:
Now I'm talking to you I don't know how you look , what you are like . People can have conflicting opinions about you even though they know you . Your wifey may see us as loving and jocund . Your employees in your office may see you as bossy and cantankerous . It does not mean you are an idea .

I exist and I can be shown to exist distinctively from another person or another thing. Those that know me know some specific things about me. Same can not be said of any God. Can you describe your God in detaiks so that when I encounter it I willknow that it is your God and not some other phenomenon?

There are consistencies with God in those religious concepts

-God is eternal

-God is supreme , the greatest

-God is all powerful , all knowing

-God is not human in mind or in form

- God does not exist in this universe

- God created all things

These are the conception of God in monotheism. Monotheism is not the only concept and idea of God there is polytheism and diesm. The attributes you listed does not apply to the other two.

You would clearly see the differences are only in his behavior , moral laws etc . The same way people in your office would think differently of your behaviour in the office while your family sees you different . But some things are consistent , you are a Nigerian , you are dark in complexion , you are a male etc .

Stop talking about God with your monotheistic idea. It is not the only conception of God that exist, there are polytheist and poly deist. God remains an idea that is why there are diffrent ideas of God and God's. Polytheist and deist concept of God/Gods have nothing to do with the monotheistic idea and concept of God. Pantheism believe in a very different idea of God they believe the universe and everything in it works as God.

Gof is not a supreme being. Some ideas of God imagine him to be a supreme being. Others imagine there are many supreme beings, others imagine God/ God's to be a force or various forces and finally some imagine God to be the universe as a whole. God remains a man made idea and conception.

KingEbukasBlog:
The universe is evidence it was created by the Supreme Being . Have you heard of the extra-dimensional nature of God ? According to particle physics & relativity, at least ten dimensions of space existed at the creation of the universe . And God has to be above those 10 dimensions to be able to create it . That explains how God can be all powerful , all present , all knowing .

If God were three dimensional like men , he would not be able to be different places at the same time , be all powerful and possess all knowledge. The Supreme Being is not an idea , it is a fact .

10 dimensional space exist at the creation of which universe when there is no concensus among scientist if the universe is eternal or not. All these are hypothesis that haven't been confirmed as such it is not all cosmologist that accept them. God is a man made idea and not a fact. What is responsible for the existence of the universe remains unknown. It could be many entities, it could be a dead entity or entities. It could be that anything.

What it is not is the Gods of man made religions like Yahweh, Allah, Brahma, Ifa etc.

KingEbukasBlog:
The Supreme Being is a fact , different ideas about It does not mean It is also an idea .

Because A thinks Dalaman is a dark , and B thinks Dalaman is white , C thinks Dalaman is close to 40 years , D thinks Dalaman loves rice - this means Dalaman is an idea

If I exist as a fact there won't be such conflicting ideas about me unless if I am an imagined entity that is when you will have diffrent conflicting ideas and conceptions of me.

KingEbukasBlog:
Judaism , Islam (Theism ) all believe in one Supreme Being like the deists but they used anthropomorphism in religious texts to make God's description more comprehensible to the human reader . The finger of God , the hand of God , all were used metaphorically . But in theophanies , God appears in human form to be able to ve understood or seen by whom he revealed himself to.

Isn't it what Xenophanes criticized ? Xenophanes who was a deist criticized the use of such and described God as not resembling humans in form or in mind

Didn't I ask for your contribution here ? : https://www.nairaland.com/3504236/xenophanes-criticism-anthropomorphism-vs-triune

Who is Xenophame and why should I take his opinion seriously. Deism isn't about a single supreme being. Deist have diffrent concept of a creator God. Some believe in a creator God or Gods as a force or forces. Each deist has his/her conception of who God is to him or her. The finger of God or hand of God being a metaphor remains the opinion of each individual. It is not universally acceptable. There are many biblical literalist for example and they are not wrong in any way.

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism is a man made idea , thank God you have admitted itself

The Supreme Being is a fact

The supreme being is an idea and not a fact that is why there are diffrent ideas and conception of supreme being and beings. There are many religions that believe in many supreme beings. You have no evidence to show that the universe was created by a supreme being, you only have belief and belief is just what it is. . belief.

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism is the man made idea . Atheism started with Diagoras of Melos 2,500 years ago

Who created Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism, IFa religion and Islam for example? Who created Christianity? Men created all this religions and the Gods and theology associated with them. Your God remains a man made idea that is why you a man must talk about it , tell others about it and try to explain it to others. If it's real it will not rely on you to do anything for it. It will do everything for itself.

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism is the man made idea that started 2,500 years with Diagoras of Melos . The idea there is no God is a man made concept for deluded folks .

The so called man made idea about God is the use of anthropomorphism which Xenophanes criticized .

All Gods are man made ideas that I'd why there are different Gods and diffrent religions all created by men for various reasons. Atheism, theism, deism, polytheism, pantheism, paganism, etc are all man made concepts and ideas.

KingEbukasBlog:
4kings is being addressed as an atheist because of religious skepticism . Since deism rejects religious dogma and revealed theology , the deists attack religious concepts of God in Christianity , Islam .

That's why to a deist , Yahweh , Allah , etc are seen as false concepts of God because they are embedded in Revealed Theology .

But atheists here ignorantly believe that religious skepticism means they are impugning the existence of God . That is why randomperson listed those religious beliefs he felt are absurd to prove atheists are not stupid . Because apparently he thinks religious skepticism is part of atheism like most of them believe while its not true .

But as far as you are a deist , you are a religious skeptic because deism inherently repudiates religious dogma unlike atheism .

What is this senseless rigmarole? What is revealed theology? There is nothing like revealed theology. There is only man made theology. Who revealed what and to whom? All Gods are man made ideas including the deistic concept of God.

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism is the man made idea . Reigious concepts of God came from revealed theology .

Atheism started with Diagoras of Melos 2,500 years ago

What do you mean by revealed theology? Revealed by who? Man made theology is what all religious concept of God is made up of.

The Exodus is mythological. It isn't historical.