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winner01:
lol.
see them all over the place.
Not one reasonable justification for morality.

The fact remains: The source of morality will forever be a problem for atheism.

All their attempts to explain goodness without God has proven futile.

If atheists can question the source of morality and not just borrow from already established moral structures, it might lead them to the truth.

But dont worry, atheists dont really question everything.

You haven't shown that God is the source of morality anywhere. Read the Bible and the Koran. Take the Sharia law for example. The muslim feel that there is no moral system better than it ever and it came from their God . Do you agree with that? The Jews living in Israel still believe that the old Testament and it's moral values are the best ever. Yet they still do not practice most of the things written inside the OT that is their religious book. In Israel today if you try most the moral injunctions written inside the OT which is their religious book you will be in prison. Christians in the west are now running away from most of the sexist , misogynist and homophobic teachings of the new Testament for example. So which morality has God established? Where is it?

Wilgrea7:
eternity is endless... but eternity is now.. everything now is eternity... we are already in eternity.. time is just a measurement of events in eternity.

Bla bla bla. You have no idea of what you are talking about.

noblefada:
Simple answer is the earth was created in eternity! time like the universe was created! And time also has it's own life span.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 3. Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. (NKJV)
Time was not created until verse 14. 14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; Please visit www.livingwordmedia.org and get all your questions answered.

You have no answer. Instead of admitting you are here spitting rubbish. The earth was created in eternity? Day and night denotes time because it even mentions first day, second day etc. Make sure you a have something sensible to say before getting involved with me..I have zero tolerance for nonsense.

KingEbukasBlog:
'First creation story' is a divine declaration of creation , then the second story is how the actual creation was done .

In reality the first creation story is a rabbinical commentary on the second creation story. So man first came into existence in the middle east?

KingEbukasBlog:
There are more pressing issues bro .

No, the question exposes you and the fraud you have been claiming all along. If you truly know that your God exist and you communicate with it as you claim you should be able to give us specific answers to simple questions. When did your God create the universe? You just claimed that you can not know anything with agnosticism and that it is not the right path to follow. What can you know with your own religion? Communicate with your God already and tell us when exactly he created the universe. I know you'll prefer to talk about nonsense drivel instead of answering direct questions that will expose you and the fact that you know nothing about anything.

KingEbukasBlog:
I'm good bro . God dey ooo

Ok nice. Allah and Brahma dey too. Dem just dey look you dey laugh

Omo , na Chelsea Man U . Today na Man U Man City

Choi !!!

Pogba is useless.

KingEbukasBlog:
But Agnosticism believes it is impossible to know anything about God or about the creation of the universe - it is unknowable . If you want answers , agnosticism is not the right path to follow .

When did your God create the universe? You claim you know he exist and you communicate withwith him. Communicate with it right now and give us the exact dayday /date he created the universe and the method /mechanism he used to created the earth.

KingEbukasBlog:
Dalaman is here, howdy brother

I dey ooo. Wetin dey happen? Hope you are good?

winner01:
The age when my friend still allowed reason to rule.

I saw you viewing my ressurection thread yesterday
I hope you were hit

Reason? Hit by what? The resurrection thread like any religious claim remains fuzzy. I read the counter post from the other guy and it pushes it to the "there they go again region".

Auntielinda:
Please who has pin mouth charge ?

I have. Come and get it.

blackpanda:
The blood of the innocent soldiers that perished for lack of weapons are on Badeh's hands

He is still roaming around a free man. Why is that so?

My problem is why is Alex Badeh a free man? I saw him at the airforce headquarters like 2 weeks ago feeling like a don with the people there bowing and hailing him. This is the same criminal that stole most of their money. Why aren't these people in jail?

winner01:
No material can serve as proof enough to them. If Hahn gets proof, cloudgoddess may probably say he's hallucinating, dalaman may say he's deluded etc. They will always find a way to explain it away.

They are actually not the enemies, thats why we need to pray for them.

Diagoras of Melos and his cohorts waged the same war against God in the 5th century, today (21st century) his descendants are still trying to eradicate the God that created them.
Its not that they merely lack a belief, its a deliberate battle with their conscience - if not , most of them wouldn't care about the beliefs of others.

God bless you

Sis, lets just include them in our prayers.

Will you stop spewing the endless lies you use to delude your selves always? All atheist agree that an airplane can fly a person from Abuja to Lagos. We all agree that cars do same, so what nonsensical evidence are you talking about? You have no evidence only stories and empty assertions like every other religion out there.

How many other christains have you converted and made to see things your way here? If there is a God that created us you think you will be the one praying to him about us? Only a God that lives in your head will even allow you to do anything on its behalf.

Madness and dangerous superstition. We need to emancipate ourselves from mental slavery.

AnonyNymous:
Sir, please, I beg of you, I don't want this to be cancelled. Neither do the majority of the atheists on Nairaland. The 500k you're asking for if it fails is already guaranteed by him (whether it succeeds or fails) in the form of reimbursing your expenses. Even though its a company flight, he plans to pay you back for it. And pay for everything, including the hotel bills, etc. So the money you would've spent on all that = the 500k. Most of us would be disappointed if this event is cancelled because we're keenly watching.
In other words he just isn't staking the money (since he's not allowed to place bets), he's giving the money out for free whether it fails or not.

Let me be clear. He was the one that threw up the challange. He challenged me to bring people for him to heal. I wasn't the one that challenged him. He was the one that pushed forward.
He will not be paying for my flight and expenses because all that has been taken care of already. He has already slapped me with an insult by telling me he raised a dead person back to life after which he then added another slap that I should bring people for him to heal. If I go and it fails I will not accept any excuse. He will have to pay for it that is why I am putting a monetary value to it.

naijadeyhia:
How can you say i lied when you are running away from proving it or disproving it? You are just confused. Were you there when i failed in raising the dead? So why would you say i lied? Here you have a golden opportunity to prove yourself right that i actually lied but you are digging up excuses.

If you are so sure i will fail then please tell everyone why you chose to take up all of this? Is it not originally for the 500k?

So much dishonesty!

I have only 2 words for you

STATUS QUO!

What do you mean that I am running away. I am not. I am so much confident that I am even offering 500k. Money that I can not afford to lose but I will stake it. I just want you to agree to pay me money if it fails that's all.

How can you tell me that you raised a dead person back to life and expect me to take you seriously. I also flew from Abuja to Lagos on a log of wood. Some claims don't even need to be acess before they are dismissed offhand.

I will want to to pay 500k so that if it fails you will learn not to mess with people's intelligence by lying shamlessly that you have raised nameless and obscured people from the dead. I just want it to serves as a penalty on your own side.

naijadeyhia:

Your foundation and mine vary.... Yours is on deception while mine is on righteousness. If my agenda is to prove the existence of God to you that is genuine and has not changed...not even my words have changed since the very first day but here we have yours dancing with the wind and you do not even know what you aim to prove.

Disprove God

Shame me

Gain 500k

These are your positions and the last 2 have nothing to do with the status quo

You shamlessly lied that you raised a dead person back to life yet you are still talking of deception. Park well my friend.

I repeat we never had any agreement apart from the one that you will heal the people that I will bring. Nothing you said was agreed to by me. I only kept telling you that I will get back to you when I am ready. You kept talking away and my response to you was that I will get back to you when am ready and we shall see. Now that I am ready I have made.my demands. It's either you accept it or not. I will not do this for nothing. I will not accept failure on your side.

Ranchhoddas:
I disagree. Dalaman is the one trying to cop out. You know as a Christian Naijadeyhia is not going engage in any form of betting with him, why then is he introducing the 500k at this point? He was promised that all the expenses will be taken care of; flight (from abroad I presume), accomodation and all other expenses. This is going to cost far more than 500k especially if you factor in the forex conditions in the country now. So what's Dalaman's excuse?

Am in Abuja. Am not abroad. My flight to lagos has already been paid for by the institution where I work. You as an atheist know that it will never work. I know that too. He called for the challenge. He will not pay me any dime until it fails. I will not go and waste my time and accept the usual excuse for God not doing it for one reason or the other. He has already slapped me with an insult by telling me that he brought a dead person back to life. He then challenge me to bring an amputee for him to heal. If I go and it fails you think I will be foolish to just accept the usual excuse? He will have to pay for his lies period.

naijadeyhia:
I have already rejected your money so stop repeating yourself. Regarding your other vows...On what grounds are you vowing? People always vow on something greater...You do not believe in God or any powers so your vows are just words. Deception is the route you started with so analytically i can deduce that your vow or vows whatever they may be are also deceptive.

Why were you planning to do it? Aren't you doing it because you want me to see your God in action first hand? Tell me why I will witness the restoration of the limbs of an amputee and not believe.

naijadeyhia:
Are the other Christians supposed to be your problem? When was that part of all this? You are a classic deceiver. You say you do not want to expose Christianity but here you are angrily expressing yourself at how christianity still waxes stronger despite everything. You are confused!

Please don't turn this into a game. My response was to him when he said that I should go ahead and do it so that it will expose christainity as a fake religion.

naijadeyhia:

In Law silence is consent by extension! I gave you the condition of getting a notarized letter of consent and awareness from the participants and you read it and said nothing.. In law that translates to consent. Consent you had until 30 days after when you decided to renege.

Here you raised some strange conditions and i IMMEDIATELY refused so clearly i have not consented. Do you get it now?

What will you give on your part if it fails? I have told you what I will give. Money and an end to all the activities of atheists on Nairaland. What will you give?

naijadeyhia:
Both of you deserve no answer. It may be all fun and games to you but not to me. What is supposed to happen? He cannot eat his cake and have it. What i offered originally which he consented to albeit via silence (legal language) is worth way more than his 500k. His focus is not on disproving anything as nothing will sway his mind...He would just call that a coincidence. Besides he already began with deception here on this thread so what stops him from deactivating his moniker and coming back with another one?

Do i know him personally? How would i monitor his declaration that he would be born again for the rest of His life? Remember he was once also born again and reneged on that too.

dalaman your words are not worth anything to me.. All i want is that you revert to status quo... vows or no vows.

You are the one that is turning it into a joke. How can I witness the restoration of an amputated limb and still remain an atheist?

What will happen if it fails? Tell me.

BoboYekini:
Dalaman you've done the hard part by getting a willing 'Guinea pig'- for want of a better word. Leave this 500k thing abeg. There's more to be gained e.g. exposing Christianity for the fraud it is.
Frankly, you seem unserious about this. But if you are, then do this for the community.

You think this will expose christainity if it fails? Do you know Reverend Peter Popoff that was exposed by James Randi as a fake on television in front of the whole world? He is now pastoring a church after many many years. People still attend his church. Our own Reverend King still has his followers after burning some of his female servants.

No Christain will change his/her mind, instead they will all go after him and accuse him of testing God. Don't think that if it fails it will change any body's mind because already some christians are already tacitly telling him not to do it.

naijadeyhia:
Your words are worthless same with your character until you revert to the original agreement. No Atheist here is truthful as like you, lies flow like water because all of you are set on a factory default of self denial.

I do not desire your explanations or stories. Revert to status quo...simple. Dont quote me again until you do. Thank you

We never had any agreement apart from you agreeing that I should bring people and you will heal them. I just told you that I will get back to you when am ready. I didnt agree to any other thing you said. You talk about raising people from the dead yet you accuse others of lying. Na wah oo .

naijadeyhia:
Is your problem disproving my claims or me personally? Because you seem conflicted in both areas. With one mouth you say you are 100% sure this cannot happen which points at disproving it and then in another second you say i personally have to stake something. Is this BETNAIJA?

You toss around like a fish out of water with no definite handle on what you seek or aim to achieve.

Till you resolve to do this rightly as originally outlined then consider this conversation closed. Thank you!

If it fails what will happen?

naijadeyhia:
I am done here! Honesty is a by word for some as i have clearly seen here. You say one word today and renege on it tomorrow... such a person is known as having a questionable character. I am done!

How can you shamlessly insult my intelligence by telling me that you raised a dead person back to life and at the same time claim to be honest. My brother pack well.

naijadeyhia:
I gave him a singular demand and that demand was a detailed letter of consent and awareness from the participants and these letters must be notarized so i can have verifiable legal proof which is proper in scenarios of this nature. I already released my phone number and he said he would update me and has never done so.

God forbid that something happens to these people when they are in Lagos and my number is already in their position as the person they are coming to meet so i needed to have some form of defense. Is this far-fetched?

I am not a criminal. I will not come alone. Some atheist have indicated interest so we all will be coming together. It is not something that will be done in the dark. Just one amputee will ne brought. The participant is already in Lagos and has agreed. We all will gather ourselves and come to a neutral place that is secured. A recognized hotel that will be chosen and accepted by all parties. You will then do your wonders. If it works 500k for you and an end to all atheist activities on nairaland religious section because the video and pictures will be posted here. I assure you that all atheist will become christians after watching it and the powerful testimony that will be made by us. All activities of atheist on nairaland will end.

If it fails yu will just give me 500k and I will walk away. I won't even bother to post the video here. I will know that I didn't waste my time and you didn't play with my intelligence for nothing.

hopefulLandlord:
Dalaman, I understand your position, the need to stake something but its obvious Naijadeyhia wouldn't consent to this

you need to realise however that "time" can never be paid for fully, we all lose time one day or the other although time can NEVER be wasted in the strictest sense of the work

I get the feeling (just a feeling and a Personal one at that) Naijadeyhia doesn't want this arrangement to happen, you're giving him an excuse to cancel it

Pls, I enjoin you to do this, make this work, don't let this be an anticlimax

I am an atheist today partly because of the personal test of the supernatural that I have witnessed. I have stated my position clearly. If he wants to deal with me then he must pledge to give something if it fails. He was the one that challenged me.

Something must give period! It's either he gives or I give. I am stating clearly and publicly that if it works then I will offer 500k and remain a christian forever. I won't be the only one that will be a christian. You and other atheist that will attend the show will also become christains for sure. But what if it fails? Do you think it will stop him from being a christian and going about telling people that he brought a dead person back to life? It won't. He'll remain and christian and continue his claims and everything. It won't even make any christian to become and atheist or change their minds. They will all go after him and tell him he was wrong in testing God. He has to give something or lose something so that he'll stop making false claims and challenging people over stuffs he knows are false.

naijadeyhia:
calling me a coward does not move me because i know i aint one. Plus i am not that emotionally driven to suddenly get riled up and because eyehateGod says i am a coward i need to prove him wrong? Ask dalaman to man up as that was our original agreement and agreements are meant to be honoured and not changed at will. Plus he never said a word for 30 days until now. Especially after telling me he already had the participants ready. Abeg face front...you be dalaman? were you on the original thread? I think you need to direct your comments to witnesses such as hopefullandlord who were on that thread

Let's not get ahead of ourselves please. I never told you I had anybody ready anywhere. If I did then show where I specifically said I had the participants ready. I only told you about the participants I had in mind. Saying I had them ready is your own making . Juse state your position accept the pledge and let's do this. You will only pay after it fails so why are you scared? I thought you said the money isn't your problem.I don't want your dime you will only pay after it fails. It it doesn't I will pay you I say this with my life and I will become am evangelical christian till I die.

naijadeyhia:
When you are done mocking about and being crooked let me know... you still have about 45 to 47 days to make amends and get it right. I am done with you on this thread. Enjoy your "intelligence".

I am not mocking you. I am just telling you the truth. You can't just insult my intelligence for nothing. If you are so sure of yourself then make the pledge already. You will convert not only me but many other atheist that will come along with me. Seems you are afraid and wanna run away.

Go to the hospital close to you are bring back to life another dead person since that has now become your new enterprise.

naijadeyhia:
Then your position is DOA for reasons based on deception.

Intelligence is not meant for everyone least of all you. You bandy words around and claim intelligent? Intelligence is when you have a golden opportunity to add another layer to your knowledge and you accept it..That is intelligence.

Cowardice is the opposite. You are clearly the latter.

How can you shamlessly insult my intelligence by lying to me that you raised a dead person back to life and expect me to take you seriously in anything. Is it not because of liars like you that NBC stopped the airing of miracles on national television?

I didn't accept your expense paid trip because I never took it seriously. My own is if you are so sure of your self. You should also make the pledge. I want you to lose something of value so that you will learn not to insult people's intelligence by lying shamlessly. Can you even raise a dead mosquito back to life talk more of a dead human being?

winner01:
But that was the initial agreement.

Where did I agree to that initial? You just come in chip one or two lies and claim there is nothing better than Jesus and continue with the little little lies.