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damogul:
Are you now saying that indeed all you believe are based on Assumptions? If Jesus never married why would u assume that if He did it would be to a minor?

*hint* same person you asked d question is same person responding. Those who love banning have done their worst.

The average age of marriage at that time was 12 -16. He would have followed the normal Jewish tradition. Child marriage wasn't seen as anything wrong as such Jesus did not even touch on it because it wasn't a big deal.

kilo4sure:
If the Jews married children off, that doesn't mean Christians should do same. Christians have Jewish foundation but are not Jews, hence are not obliged to live by that code. We are not to live by the old testament, but it is for our correction and learning, it shows our foundation and describes the heroes of faith, but it was exclusive. Christ has taught us the general code that would in turn embrace all cultures, love thy neighbor as thyself, and like Williams said he obviously had a high regard for little children. If you are a girl you would hardly want to be married off at the age of twelve. But ancient cultures had little regard for the girl child, so why should they care about her feelings?

Moral evolution is what has ended child marriage in most part of the world. In Europe and US teenage marriage used to be the norm. As people gained more knowledge they decided to end the practice.

naijadeyhia:
Dalaman do you see that even though winner01 and I are not in the same place yet we posted the same answer to the same questions asked by you and ifenes?

This explains what I said earlier.

What is the age of consent according to Jesus? At what age should people get married? Jesus had no words against child marriage because that was the norm during his time. If he were to have been married he would have gotten married to a teenage child whichwas the nor at that time.

winner01:
We do not follow the customs of the Jews, we follow the teachings of Jesus.
Ive posted His take on littoe children and so you can wave your hands all you want.

What age did Jesus say people should marry? His own mother was married off as a child. Jesus had no comment on child married because child marriage was the norm during his time.

winner01:
I know the motives of atheists on Nairaland and thats why I have stopped giving to them Biblical explanations. Its better to discuss atheism with them so that they can see how empty and vain it really is.


For the sake of readers, I try to explain in the simplest manner.

Jesus expressed great love, care and concern towards children. He also stressed the truth of His father's concern for children in the opening parts of Matthew chapter 18.


In the same chapter, Jesus seriously warns; “But whosoever shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me or cause them to sin, it would have been better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the deepest part of the sea” (Matthew 18:6).

Offending a child or causing a little child to sin may mean many things.
We have heard of several murder cases in child marriage, where the child bride murders the husband. It may be because the child was obviously offended.

The word paedophilia does not appear in the Bible and so are several other words such as: age of consent, encyclopaedia, HIV, Cancer, Ebola and other contemporary terms.
And so to expect the Bible written several hundreds of years ago to mention all the words or laws we use today is folly.


This and the responses above are the answers to the Op, but sadly they are more interested in mocking rather than trying to understand the Word of God.

It seems to me that nothing would serve as someone for evidence for someone who desperately wants to wish God away.
But if you wish God does not exist, why try to encourage other people to share your futile wishes?.

The Jews whose customs you follow as sacrosanct and who happen to be your God marry their children at age 12 for girls and 13 for boys. That is why sex with kids does not appear as a crime in the bible. When Moses was to take ladies as war booty. Those that had never slept with a man before were to be shared including kids. They do not know anything like pedophilia. They mostly married teenage kids.

naijadeyhia:
You are so dumb that I think I would be insulting the word by even calling you that.

Let me break it down to you in a manner that even a 5yr old would understand.

The world is filled with any and everyones idea of what is wrong and what ir right. It would have bedn wrong for God to itemize all the does and donts as it would still be laws.

Rather he opted to change the nature of man itself through His spirit. The spirit of God gives us an exigesis of His word in a manner that even when the same word isnt written in black and white we all as Christians have the same understanding that the Spirit of God is against it.

God does not need to itemize error but rather to fix the error filled man. When you are fixed from the inside then you can make right judgements and choices.

If even you as an individual know for yourself that at 12 or 15 you still do not understand much about life why then would you think your own child at such age would understand life? This is why you are an elder and should learn from your own life how to impact and raise your own kids.

I am refraining from using scripture most of the time when talking to you Atheists because its foolishness unto you. So let your own life suffice.

If your opinion is that there is nothing wrong with child marriage then why seek the christians view when you have no plans of becoming a Christian or do you?

I should be the one asking you about your views on this since you all lack a single moral fibre in you. So pray tell..... what is your take on child marriage? Is it wrong or right to you as an INDIVIDUAL?

Bla bla bla. Even during the time of Jesus the average age of marriage for the Jews was 13 for boys and 12 for girls. According to the Catholic encyclopaedia Mary the mother of Jesus married Joseph at age 12.

VomeSchakleton:
Theres a difference between having a different understanding or opinion from yours to lying. I'm guessing youre a former christian because christians in general tend to think having a different understanding to theirs is "lying"

Its not a case of having a different opinion. This is an outright lie. Show me the peer reviewed scientific research that says the Koran contains words that are not from humans or agree he was lying.

Yinkame123:
I seems not to understand what the writer is driving at. It's indisputable that Quran is a revelation from Allah to Prophet Muhammad through angel Jubril. To use a simple logic since what the op uses is logic if I asked you to tell a friend that ' if you don't give me my money in three days I will make sure I get you arrested by the police'. The quran container 6666 verses and 124 chapters scientific[b] research has proven that the words it contains is not that of a man but someone in the highest realm of the universe. [/b]

Which scientific research has shown that the Koran contains words that is not that if a man you liar?

flamingREED:
What difference lies in stoning rejects then and in executing criminals today by firing squad?

Moreover, indiscipline in the old Hebrew kingdom of God wasn't just waywardness,
But it equated despising the God of their Fathers'

And James in the New testament puts it clearly as: 'whoever breaks a commandment, has broken all'

That's why the retributions then seemed grave,
But the transgressions had grave undertones'

Direct Rebellion against Jehovah'


This is God's Swordsman.

So a disobedient child is a criminal that deserves to be stoned to death?

KingEbukaNaija:
Stoning of recalcitrant refractory children is what Jews did - there was no record of it being done anyway . Just like the Indonesians kill drug dealers by firing squad . I've explained these things before .

Stoning of disobedient children was what your God told the Jews to do. I guess you'll tell me its right because God commanded it. By the way even Jesus scolded the people for refusing to stone their disobedient children to death point out that they were hypocrites for not doing that.

flamingREED:
Someone already mentioned that nature's arrangement upholds copulation for organisms of a kind'

Dyu have anything against this formidable truth?

By the way,
A christian does not torture animals'

Respond to my question above'

I am totally against beastiality. But from the animals perspective which will they consider more evil. Christians torture animals both knowingly and unknowingly. Slaughtering a cow involves torture.

winner01:
Sometimes you read these comments and dont even know what to say .

Apparently, these are real atheists who think that we have no moral code, no right, no wrong and that man can set for himself his own rules.





These ones are probably younger and aspiring atheists who still hold dear the values they've learnt from christianity and do not want to accept the meaninglessness proposed by the atheistic worldview.





Even marriage can be said to be an indoctrination forced on us by primitive men who thought marriage was the only method of procreation.
Funny enough, most atheists do not probe the source of marriage, except few ones such as this:


He feels he is just another alpha animal who needs to strengthen the gene pool by producing more of his own kind.

Its sad. I still wonder what the world would look like if atheists were majority.




The Great Book sums up the mind of God on these ones:




You are right. Only God can subdue the animal in man.

Your high sense of morality has failed you here my friend. Tell me why it is right to torture and kill an animal for food and for fun but wrong to have sex with an animal. Tell me. Which is more evil torturing and killing an animal for fun or food or having sex with it? You are the same pathetic person that was supporting slavery on the other thread because your God sanctioned it with the ridiculous excuse that there are things that God allows that we can not understand bla bla bla but at the same time trying to feel that people that do not subscribed to the moral philosophy of ancient people that see nothing wrong in enslaving each other are lost.

Again why is it right to torture animals and kill then for food and fun as we happily do but wrong to have sex with them?

Lilbrown007:
Killing Animal For Food Is OK This Word Is About Survival Of The Fittest And Even The Animals Know That A Lion(Carnivorous) Hunts For Its Prey Kills It And Eat It Evolution Has Made It So A Goat(Herbivores) Eats Grass Its System Is Designed That Way So It Doesn't Eat Meat We Humans On The Other Hand Are Omnivores We Eat Both Meat & Vegetables And Thats How Evolution Designed It To This Stage Its Now Ur Choice If U Will Eat Meat Or Not But It Still Doesn't Change Anything That U Are Omnivores.

When Its Wrong Is When U Use This Animals For Fun That Doesn't Serve Any Purpose That Benefit Both U And The Animal!!

We happily kill animals and eat them for food. But when hungry animals kill us for food we get angry and try to kill them. How is that beneficial to them. Nobody has still given me a good reason why torturing animals to death for food or decoration , killing them for fun (so many people hunt animals for fun) keeping them in captivity just for fun is good and sleeping with them is bad. Have you seen how pearls are made? This Animals are tortured to produce the pearls humans use for decoration why is it good compared to sleeping with them? I am totally against beastiality. Just trying to point out the hypocrisy of humans in all these. A man will happily buy pearl and give his wife or girlfriend a product of animal cruelty and torture but will scream and shout about beastiality. So which is worse, killing and torturing animals by removing their body parts for decoration as we happily do or having sex with them?

KingEbukaNaija:
Its morning already .

We'll continue later in the day sir .

God bless you

Have a good night rest.

So tell me which is more evil KingEbukaNaija. Decapitating an animal in cold blood and using its body parts for decoration and for food or sleeping with the animal? Please explain to me why one is right and the other is wrong.

Isn't it hypocrisy of the highest order that these people see nothing wrong in torturing animals, killing them for food and fun, they wear animal skins all over their bodies as clothing items for fun and decoration, they slaughter animals in very horrendous ways, they eat animals and see nothing wrong with that but somehow sleeping with animals is what disgust them and the highest form of evil? Why is it right to torture animals, kill them, eat them, use their carcass as clothing but wrong to sleep with them? Why why is one acceptable and the other not acceptable? I just want to know why you feel it is right to raise a cow, kill the cow and wear it's skin as clothing or as belt but wrong to have sex with it.

Which one is more evil? Torturing and killing an animal or having sex with it?

winner01:
I think dalaman's quote pretty explains that.

Every body can see through your dishonesty.

KingEbukaNaija:
Popular atheist dalaman gives his approval . According to him , societal laws should determine what's right or wrong for them .

I have asked you to tell me who sets the laws against right vs wrong if not the society? You believe this God that supports slavery and actively gave injunction to people on how to buy and sell each other as slaves yet you are here talking about sex with animals. Your God was all over the place sanctioning and committing genocide, you didn't see anything wrong with that, you even justify it but somehow sex with animals is your problem? I do not support beastiality you sick human being, I was just trying to make a point that laws are made by the society and not by God as you put it. Muslims marry children and see nothing wrong with it because the laws in their lands allow it.

By the way why is it right to kill animals for fun and for food but wrong to have sex with them? Please explain to me in details.

shadeyinka:
What ever you believe does not change the truth. The event does not benefit you in any way. It is just an opportunity to go tangent to the issue on ground.

Being objective is a virtue. Atheists claim that the proof or evidence is what they need. Yet hypocritically they believe in scientific Theory when it has not been confirmed.

Example: An Atheist believes in the Big Bang Theorem even though it has NOT been proven scientifically Yet they want Theists to give them a laboratory proof of the Spirit rhelm.

The BBT is a scientific postulation and not an atheistic one. Many Christians believe in the BBT. Atheism is simply lack of belief in Gods.

winner01:
We strive to be like Christ because He set a perfect standard.
Why do you want imperfect people to stop looking up to a standard of perfection.

No matter your desperation and epistles, we know we are not perfect, and we wont stop trying to attain perfection like Christ commanded.

Bla bla bla. You can not live the kind of pacifist life as outlined by Jesus in the bible. No human being can do it because it is impossible. Jesus promised those that have faith in him that whatever they ask for in prayers they will get. That is false as well. Trying to live the pacifist life of Jesus is impossible that is why no christian can do it.

DonBobes:
Marjoe Gortner(real name which is a combination of Mary&Joseph MarJoe) never performed miracles he was only known to sell items at crusades which pple sed & he made pple bliv wuld heal dem.

He made people believe he will heal them . He laid hands on people and they believed they were healed. His last crusade was a healing crusade and a few people believed they were healed because he laid hands on them.

hahn:
I go half the day winner01 indulges in a reasonable discussion. I really do not understand why theists put themselves through so much stress.

Why bother subjecting yourself to a life of rules you cannot reasonably live by?

They claim the bible is god's word but can't live by it's guidelines. When you through some verses about wealth and paradise in the afterlife they will "claim it" but when you tell them about stoning people who work on Sundays, or killing your wife because she is not a virgin on your wedding night, they will tell you that you need the holy spirit to understand the verse.

It is intellectual dishonesty. The willingness to subject yourself to slavery/subjugation, the unwillingness to think for yourself and have goat herders 2,000 years ago think and justify morality on your behalf, the yearning for constant surveillance by an imaginary being who watches and will punish you for wan.king but watches innocent women being raped and kids dying daily and does nothing about it but expects us to believe it is working in "mysterious ways" etc. It is this kind of thinking that holds us back as a specie.

Man does not need god to interfere in our daily activity because it's presence is obviously useless

He can not even practice the pacifist teachings of Jesus. No christian can do it. It's impossible just as the promise that everything you ask for in prayers will be given to you once you believe. All these are just mythical stuffs.

winner01:
Says Dalaman. Prof. Omni Knowest.

It is true, despite all the christians claims non of then can live the life Jesus outlined in the bible because it is impossible. It is just like the promise Jesus gave and promise to those that believe in him, no christian can demonstrate it because it is a mythical promise. No christian can live or do what Jesus said because it is impossible. If it were possible we will see Christians living the life, since it's impossible no christian can do it. You winner01 can not live the live Jesus told people to live in the bible, you can not demonstrate any of the things he promised you. You can't do it because it's mythical.

winner01:
We can judge them from the life of christ.

The life of Christ is a myth as such no christian can live such a life. Even you can not live the life of Christ. After all Christ promised those of you that believe in him to live like him and do greater things than we were told he did. You personally can do no such thing so I wonder why you are talking about thelife of christ, something that you personally can not even emulate.

shadeyinka:
I wish you don't derail from the topic. Suppose I wanted to lie, if I gave you the picture of a blind man After and before he became blind, how would you know?..you talk like that is the greatest wisdom in the whole world.

I have a video of a girl who seems to read with her eyes blindfolded, you ignored that to ask for another video which of course you will not examine. The objective of this: if the video is an arranged, let's analyse and objectively discuss.

Finally, Like I said, he is not your uncle AND when he received his sight you were NOT par of the celebration.

What are you talking about?If you provide a video of a blind man I will be able to know because a blind.man's eyes look different from the eyes of a person that sees. I have told you that the video of the blindfolded lady is a trick video. I might not be able to know the trick employed but others that have claimed to have her ability have been scrutinized and we're shown to be fake. The boy in Japan had his eyes closed with celotape and he failed. The Wikipediaentry by Seun condluded that the act is fake. What more do you want?

The claim that your uncle incredibly recieved his sight after being prayed for remains a lie. Unless you provide good evidence you are not to be taken seriously. What can be claimed without evidence should also be dismissed without evidence.

Crazyfinedude:
cc : Dalaman . Here is a first hand experience from a Nairalander . Not rubbish brought from the internet with no modicum of credibility . He brought a MUSLIM cripple by HIMSELF to a POWERFUL crusade . The muslim cripple for 21 YEARS- from birth- and now is WALKING NOT only that , He is also a convert . REFUTE it !!!

Yeah. He carried a muslim that has no name, no address, no contact number and no identity to an elusive crusade and the elusive muslim was healed in the Lord's Chosen church. No before and after pictures. Just empty words on the Internet. If I call you deluded you'll take offense. Recieve sense my brother.

shadeyinka:
There are two kinds of mesmerism:
Real Magic and Magic tricks.

Even the so called magic tricks takes years to perfect...and many times, they have to invent contraptions to implement the seemingly impossible. This girl is just a CHILD.

The girl is doing that which breaks physical laws yet instead of objectively analysing the whole picture you are using FAITH to explain it away

So what if the girl is just a child? Children have been used to decieve many people and atbe still being used to decieve many . Seun recently posted the video documentary of a former child preacher call Majoe. Please watch his documentary on Youtube. His parent concucted a story of how the boy at age 3 or so had an encounter with Jesus, they said Jesus appeared to him as a baby and gave him abilities to preach(alll made up lies). They boy relates the story with such conviction and goes about preaching because his parents thought him how to preach at a very early age. They told him what to say and hiw to act when he is preaching at home and he practiced always. Peoplw thought he was God sent because of the way he preached as a child. They didn't know his parents spent hours daily coaching him. Even as an atheist he was busy performing miracles in crusades . He got tired of the sham made a documentary out of it to expose all the lies and left christianity. The girl being a child means nothing at all.

shadeyinka:
The spiritual is logical. The spiritual gave birth to the physical. If your comprehension is limited by the physical, then you cannot understand the spiritual. From Physics and the theory of the origin of the universe, you will arrive at only one conclusion. ..and the conclusion is that,
1. a non material rhelm exists as a superset of the universe.
2. An intelligence/ consciousness created the universe. Theists call Hi God/ gods.

1. Scientist have not established that the universe had a begining or not. They also have not established that the universe came from any non material source. There are different theories and speculation. No one knows for sure and no definate theory has been established. Some postulate that the universe is eternal while others postulate a universe with a begining.

2. How did you jump from a universe having a creator/ creators to Jesus dying for the sins of all Mankind? Why not accept the muslim or Hindu theology and stories? The universe could have many creators but it has nothing to do with the Christian, Jewish or Muslims convoluted stores for example . These stories are man made creations.

shadeyinka:
It is good to be objective. It seem Atheist do not care one bit about the Truth.
The fear of finding out the truth make the ignored without reason things that baffle their already made up mind

Atheist do not care about which truth? The "truth" that your "blind"uncle regained his sight at a crusade without providing any evidence?