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Rilwayne001:
I can't confidently say that he won't because I have never witness one. Perhaps he would. I will like to know if he could by making sure I attend the contest. There should be no string attach whatsoever, since my objective is to prove him wrong. If your objective is also to prove him wrong then I see no need for 500k

Afterall, it will further expose Christianity for the false that it is.

Don't chicken out from this.. please

To me christianity is false. I believe you share the same view as a muslim. My aim here is not to expose Christianity as a false religion. This experiment can never do that. Many of such experiments have been done. I gave you a link to one here on Nairaland that failed. The person that threw the challenge didn't become an atheist. He remained a Christain and other christians all came after him calling him names and mocking him for testing their God.The link is in the OP you can read it for yourself and see what I am talking about. I don't want the usual it failed and then the usual excuses that follows.

If it fails it won't stop him from being a christian. If it works I'll become a christian at least even if he rejects the money am offering. Something must give.this experiment will not make any body to lose his belief in christianity if it fails. Instead everybody will turn his/her back on him and scold him for testing God. It has been done here before. Same will happen.

I will not accept that. He has to pay me for wasting my time and lying to me. How can you just insult me by telling me that you brought back a dead person to life and also have the ability to restore the limbs of an amputee. If it fails I will not just accept silly excuses for such insult. He must part with his money as compensation. That is my position.

naijadeyhia:
I would also implore that you do not quote me on this again. Thank you

He's telling you the truth. Why are you vexing?

naijadeyhia:
I have already told you that your assumption of yourself being intelligent is erroneous so stop saying it. You lie and deceive at every given turn and this thread is proof of that. How would you after 30 days come up with this red herring? Have i not been asking you for updates repeatedly? Do you answer?

You chose date and participants and you still want to choose conditions? funny you

This is not a red herring. You are not giving me any money before I come. I repeat this challenge was called out by you in the first place. I am going to become a christian forever if you are able to do this. It will not be me alone. The atheist that will come with me will also join me. I am willing to stake 500k to show how serious I am about it failing. If it fails which I know it will. It will not stop you from becoming a christian. It will not stop yout from bandyin your stories about raising people from the dead and healing people with serious illnesses by praying for them through the phone. You will remain a christian after it fails and continue your trade. Buy something has to give. If you are so sure of your self then agree to the pledge and let's move on. I just want you to lose something of value if it fails.If you are so sure of yourself you will quickly accept the pledge. I won't accept any excuse and then come back home after wasting my time.

Rilwayne001:
Exactly..

Tell me in all honesty. Do you believe that he will be able to restore the limbs of an amputee?

naijadeyhia:

insulted your intelligence? Dude if you were half as intelligent as you proclaim then why would you want to venture into something you are 100% sure would fail? I am sure you do sports betting so you are betting against the odds

I understand that 500k would go a long way in soothing your intelligence as your belief is worth 500k.

This issue is all over nairaland so dont act as if it is new. I knew this was about the 500k and not the actual proof. What stops you from deactivating your dalaman and coming back as another moniker and still remain atheist.

You are not as intelligent as you think so dont flatter yourself

Sure you insulted my intelligence by telling me that you brought back a person that died back to life. If it works I can never be an atheist ever again. But if it fails as I know it will ,you will still remain a Christain. But with 500k I won't even mind that you wasted my time and that you insulted my intelligence . I will smile and return back to Abuja.

naijadeyhia:
How on earth would someone claim he does not want to come and waste his time when he has also claimed he is coming on company assignment? If he decides to do this as a side assignment from his company assignment would it deter him from his company assignment?

Deception 101

When you want to be straightforward let me know. For now i am opting out as this deceptive position taken by dalaman though expected is unwholesome!

If it works I will be a christian for the rest of my life. I will offer you 500k. Even if you don't accept it as you have indicated you will have converted some die hard atheists back to Christianity. I will not be coming alone but with fellow atheist here on Nairaland that have indicated their interest. All of us will convert to Christianity. If it fails what will you offer? Excuses ? It won't fly with me. You must have to pay for the failure if it comes fom your side I have pledged with my life that I will give you 500k and become an evangelical christian. You should also pledge something since it's failure will not make you become an atheist. I don't even want you to become an atheist. I just want you to pay me for insulting my intelligence and wasting my times after it fails.

naijadeyhia:
That was his challenge from the original thread and he has said nothing else ever since despite my constantly asking him for updates only for him to come today and crookedly raise this?

I do not need his money. He is coming here on company assignment which means his company is already funding his trip so i cam throwing mine in as a bonus. If he cannot deal with that then this ends here as i will not be posed with nor used as someones deceptive yo yo

I am tired of this back and forth that will lead to nowhere. True I am coming on a funded company assignment. If it fails which I know it will. It will not stop any christian from believing in the power of miracles. Infact christians Herr will all turn their backs on you , some will even mock you and call you names for testing God. The entire backlash will be on you. It will not make any christian to change his mind and the atheist will just use it as yet another excuse. You will create another moniker and continue your campaign Herr on nairaland with a different user name. I stand to gain nothing from the experiment when it fails as expected. I will just waste my time and I will not want you to waste my time for nothing. You insulted my intelligence by telling me that you brought back a dead person back to life. That is a big insult on my intelligence already. Now you are telling me to bring an amputee and you will restore his amputated limbs back. This to me is a very big insult on my intelligence let me be very blunt. If you fail to do it you must pay for it. That is my position in black and white. Youve already insulted my intelligence enough so I should be able to get some monetry reward after insulting my intelligence and wasting my time which I know is what you will do. I am just being blunt here.

hahn:
What will happen if you are unable to grow the limb?

That's it. What will happen if he is unable to do that? If he is able to do it I will become a christian for life and will drop 500k. If it fails what will he do? Explain it away after wasting my time?

naijadeyhia:
If you say i will never be able to do it then why do you want to come then? Is there something in you that seems to believe it would be possible? You are so focused on this 500k and not your claim that IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. If you are so confident that it will never happen then PROVE IT BY COMING!

You threw the challenge and not me so you have to damn all else and make sure you prove me wrong. Can 500k buy your belief?

You threw the challenge not me. You were the one that challenged me to bring a mad person or someone with HIV to you for healing after I mocked you over your claim of bringing back a dead person to life. You brought the challenge. The thread is still there for all to see.

The thing is if it works I I'll become a christian at least assuming you refuse to take the 500k that I will give. Buy if it fails on your part what will you give? Nothing. I want you to stop making false claims if it fails that is why I want you to also make the pledge.

naijadeyhia:
Dalaman will you deny i already first offered you an all expenses paid experience? From flight to hotel to duration of stay all covering as many as you wish to bring for this experience?

The thread is still there so try and deny it. You come here and throw up a red herring and talking tough. My offer would cost you zero...not even T fare...not even the 500k you are offering... what offer beats the one i gave you first?

It seems you are trying to chicken out because you know a true believer would not accept to be paid for anything as that would be falsehood.

I am not surprised you are this deceptive

I've told you. I know that you won't be able to do anything. We will just go there and you will waste our time. You won't be able to do anything. And I will not accept any failure from your side. If you agree that you will pay me for wasting my time then I'll come. I will not accept any failure from you. I will be in Lagos within the week for a job assignment.

naijadeyhia:
Your 500k is not required dalaman...quit stalling. This is an all expenses paid experience... What beats that?

I don't want to come and waste my time. I have already made bold my claims. You will never be able to restore the arms of an amputee in the name of what ever God you claim you worship. You will never be able to do it. That is my position and I will not want to come and waste my time over something that I already know the outcome. It will fail. As once it does I will not accept what ever you say. I am so sure of myself that I am.openly pledging 500k. I will come with other atheist here that have indicated interest. We will come as a group. If you are so sure of yourself just state your position the way I have stated mine. Accept the pledge and let's get thing done .

naijadeyhia:
[b]Shocker !!!

I saw this coming lol

Remember i offered to foot the bill for this your quest so no expenses on your part? I also offered to pay for your hotel accomodation and even your flight ticket? Hopefullandlord can even attest to that or should i pull up the thread?

I asked for the details of those coming so i would make the arrangements at no cost from you so why are you trying to dodge this by throwing up a wall of deceptive defense?

You cannot offer me 500k as my offer is free and it still stands with all expenses paid. But if you are asking for payment to prove your doubt then you are a deceptive person and a bonafide liar.

Paying you is not the problem but you are looking for a way out and i will not give it to you. I have given you an all expenses paid offer and to me that is way weightier than your measly 500k. If you need financial boost just come out straight and say so and not use this grand opportunity to deceive.

The only request i made from you was that you get me details of these individuals as well as a notarized letter stating their consent as i do not want to be accused of something i never did e.g kidnapping

Your post today is pitiful[/b]

cc kingebukasblog, winner01 , felixomor These guys never cease to amaze

I don't want your money. I can find my way to lagos. I will transport myself. My own is that if the experiment fails I will not accept any of the shamless excuse you guys throw around. If it works I will have to become a christian at least. If it fails which I know it must it won't make you become an atheist. I won't waste my time on such an experiment that I know will fail and recieve words of mouth as excuses. If it fails you must pay. You must pay for your lies. That's my position. I don't want to come and waste my time. I know it will never work and as such you will have to pay for it if it fails. If it fails as I know it will. It will not stop you from being a christian. But I want you to know not to challenged people over nonsensical stuffs. That's why I insist that if it fails you must pay. If you are so sure of yourself just accept the pledge and let's get this thing over with pls.

boldx:
Our God is not a kalo-kalo God. You dont dictate to God when to heal. It is at his discretion. Human beings do not possess the power to heal. Will you jump into the lion's den and claim Psalm 91. E no go work o!

Where is any of the rubbish you typed written inside the bible?

kevoh:
I knew the parent will agree to this. My fears confirmed.

@dalaman
Great looking forward to this Any plans to have 2 or 3 NL atheists resident in Lagos as witnesses?

It will be open to everybody that wants to attend. I will prefer it that way. Everybody that wants to come and see should come. My own is that he must accept and pledge to pay 500k naira if it fails on his side. If it works I must give him 500k naira.

So I am finally ready for naijadeyhia's challenge. He claimed he raised a dead person back to life, prayed for a HIV positive person over the phone and the person's HIV status changed to negative through his prayers. He claims he has the ability to heal mad people and challenged me to bring an amputee for him to heal by restoring the amputees limbs back. I wanted to bring my friend who is HIV positive but he declined. My other friend whose 6 years old child has one of his arm amputated also refused to participate but luckily I got someone in Lagos who is an amputee that is willing to participate in the experiment. He is a Christain and he is very willing to participate.

Before we do this I want me and naijadeyhia to make an open pledge before everybody here. I will not accept any failure from his side. He brought the challenge so if it fails he must pay for it. I KNOW that the experiment will fail and I will not take any excuse of God failing because of one reason or the other. Naijadeyhia himself said he knows what he is doing when some christian tried to caution him on another thread.

Christains have come here challenging atheist but when the challenge fails as expected they come up with their usual excuses for why their God didn't act. Here is an example of such a challenge that was posed by a christian here on Nairaland some years ago that failed .It even resulted in his fellow christians mocking him.

https://www.nairaland.com/445085/chalenge-huxleykay-17ogaga4luv-other-atheists

As I already mentioned I will not accept any failure from his side and I also don't expect him to accept any failure from my side either. So we will make pledge. If he agrees to the pledge then we can proceed.

I can not leave Abuja and go to Lagos meet failure and accept the usual flimsy excuses. No I will not accept that. He on his part will not become and atheist If the experiment fails, I don't even want him to become one. He will just give the normal excuse christains always give and continue is his christian bubble.It won't stop him from claiming that he brought back a dead person back to life. So because of that I have resolved that both of us will pay a price if any of us fails. I am stating it very cleary and boldly that he will never be able to heal the amputee that I will bring by restoring his amputated limbs. I am willing to lay down my life on that. It will never happen. His God can never do it. It must fail. That is my position. He should come forward and state his own position.

If he fails to restore the limbs of the amputee he will pay me five hundred thousand naira (500,000 naira).

On my own part I have pledged to pay him 500,000 naira if he restores the limbs of the amputee and to become and evangelical christian for life.

It's time people start paying for all the lies they spew. He brought the challenge and he must pay for it if it fails. If it works I also must pay for it. So naijadeyhia accept the pledge and I will tell you when I'll come for the challenge.

Hahn, hopefulLandlord ,kevoh, Teempakguy.

naijadeyhia:
i asked a simple question and you come up with a red herring? ...figures!

You never know when to stop do you? My data is alive and well thank you for asking. Just next time do not use speculations to make a point. Its shallow and desperate.

At least it's better to use speculation than outright lies. Why is repeating what you said paining you? Where you not the one that said you brought a person that died back to life? Why e dey pain you .

kilo4sure:
You are wrong, Constantine had no choice but to accept Christianity because it was already spreading too fast in the empire amidst other competing pagan religions. He observed that even his military men had begun to accept the new religion. Part of the reasons why Christianity overcame other pagan religions so easily was that it was free for all men and women of all classes and was unlike the other cults where the secrets of the religion was known only to a few. It was also not very ritualistic hence less expensive

How am I wrong? Christianity spread mostly through conquest. Once it was made the official religion of the Roman empire they made sure that all the people they conquered practiced the religion. That was how the religion was spread through out the Roman empire and subsequently most of the world. He slave masters and colonialist brought it here to us through conquest as well.

winner01:
Dalaman, this is a serious challenge

How can that be a challenge? As usual only the inane things make sense to you.

naijadeyhia:
so why use speculation to make a point when you know you have no data to back it up?

See who is talking about speculation and data. Where is the data of the dead person that you brought back to life? Did some elusive rats eat up the data?

KingEbukasBlog:
Se.un could be a Christian using atheism which causes controversy to publicize his name and his forum .

I'm sure your house in Nigeria was built using Dangote cement ... leave that house now !

I know where they sell sense. I'll direct you there, you'll need to go and buy plenty of it.

Weah96:
So na your mama corpse u take use for power rituals? Is that why you can resurrect others but not your mother that you buried with your hands?

So naijadeyhia failed to resurrect his mum when she died but buried her with his own hands. Instead he went and resurrected some nameless individual back to life Iin some nameless hospital. Very very interesting.

naijadeyhia:
dalaman this was your quote




You said SOME could have been atheists but were afraid to profess their disbelief. So i want to see you mention SOME of them who could have been atheist but were afraid to declare it. At least this would prove to me that you were in medieval times and you discussed with some of these guys.

Its just speculation I admit. During medialval times and dark ages when the church was on leadership in Europe your christian brothers made atheism a capital offence. They were quick to slaughter people in the name of Jesus for disagreeing with them.

KingEbukasBlog:
They are too smart to become atheists . Atheism is foolishness and they were smart enough to know that . There is no proof that they were atheists . Atheists have failed in life since the creation of man - this thread is proof

Atheist have failed in life and you are using nairaland a platform that was developed and owned by an atheist to spew your wisdom and success right? When will you ever get sense my brother?

winner01:
Angry man

Inane man.

KingEbukasBlog:
You liar !!! I already name outspoken atheists in the Muslim world during the 9th century , atheists were active and professing atheism in parts of Europe that were not affected by the Inquisition . They were also active atheists in Greece before the existence of Christ . I also told you about the adherents of Jainism who were also outspoken - all these people were existing during the medieval age . I also told you about African tribes that believed in no gods

What were the achievements ?? Nothing !!!! Nothing !!! Nothing !!!!

Shut up you lying troll. Some of those christian inventors could be atheist but because it was a crime they couldn't openly profess their disbelief. I still maintain that you should name on prominent atheist in medieval Europe. You can because non existed. Even if they were they hid their disbelief else the soldiers of Christ will kill them.

KingEbukasBlog:
They were too poor and illiterate and had no disposition for elocution . I can see bro that you are really ignorant of this subject .

Religious people were very literate in every part of the world . In Africa we had the Moors , in Arab world we had the instigators of modern science , In Europe we had Christians - made various notable achievements , in Asia we had the ancient Han Chinese scientists, engineers, astronomers, philosophers, mathematicians and medical doctors made significant innovations, scientific discoveries and technological advances in science, technology, engineering, medicine, military technology, mathematics, geology and astronomy.


So where the heck were the atheists in the achievement lists ALL OVER THE WORLD during the medieval age and before that ?? WTF were they

How can there be atheist when atheism was a capital offence. It is the same as asking me where are the outspoken christian or muslim scholars in North Korea. Please recieve sense my brother.

naijadeyhia:
Yet with all the running away you said Christians did, the gospel spread like wildfire. I suppose same happened with Atheism.

The gospel was spread through conquest. You guys don't even know the history of Christianity. After Emperor Constantine accepted christianity, he made sure his subjects also accepted the religion. Later on christianity was made the official religion of the Roman empire and as they went around killing people and conquering their lands through conquest they made sure that the people were forced to accept christianity. That was how christianity was spread through conquest and force. The conquistadors did same to the whole of South and North America some few hundred years ago and killed close to 100 million people in the process.

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheists existed since the creation of man . Adherents of Jainism have been existing before Christ what was their achievements . While the worship of Greek gods was prevalent , atheists questioned the existence of those gods . Its called aethos , remember ?

Atheists were also active and professing atheism in the Asian countries and parts of Europe that were not affected by the Inquisition . There were tribes in Africa that had no trace of superstitious beliefs and what were their achievements

Notable outspoken atheists as far back as the 9th century who criticized Islam were Ibn al-Rawandi, Abu Bakr al-Razi , Al-Maʿarri , Abu Isa al-Warraq and what was there any prominent or notable achievements they made ?

Right from time , even now , you guys are renowned for only sophistry and specious arguments . All those atheists even from the time of the worship of the Greek gods focused on opprobrious and impious attacks on religious people without making any prominent achievement during their lifetime .

You atheists remain the least distinguished and accomplished in life right from the creation of man . Oh my God !

Shut up you lying troll. Name ONE outspoken atheist in EUROPE during the medieval and dark ages when Europe was under the leadership of the church. Name just one.

naijadeyhia:
What u just said in essence is that right from yester years atheists have been weaklings and cowards. If Witches could be more ooen than they back then, then atheists are nothing but hot air. No wonder now they want to be a lot more outspoken even to the point of killing in order to be noticed.

Even christianity started as a small Jewish sect. When they were facing persecutions they ran away like rats while hiding and holding meetings in secret. Even Jesus told his disciples to run away from one city to another like rats when faced with persecution . He concluded that before they finish running round the city of Israel he will return(A failed prophecy )

Running away from persecution is normal. If I come to your house with a gun and you are giving the option of running away or praying that my gun fails. You will chose the option of running away. Survival always comes first. I reapeat even Jesus we were told encouraged his disciples to run from one city to another like rats when they face persecution for his sake.

hahn:
Don't bother. I already pointed that one on the first page. The dude is still beating about the bush. I wonder if he is expecting Jesus or Jehovah to actually exist and give him a congratulatory call like GEJ did Bubu

He should name just one outspoken atheist during that period. Atheism was a crime during the dark ages. Anybody that went against the authority of the church was to be killed. They killed dissidents, killed Jews, killed anybody that was a threat to them. This dishonest troll will come and tell you that they were catholics or that they weren't christians.

KingEbukasBlog:
[size=14pt]Still waiting for the atheists to provide just 1 of them who made an achievement in 1000 years (5th - 15th century)[/size]

Atheism was a crime at that time as such there were no outspoken atheist. If you were caught promoting athiesm you'll be killed.

Name one single outspoken atheist within that period that openly professes his/her atheism in Europe. Just name one.

KingEbukasBlog:
Bro , stop accusing me of lying . You are the one lying and making false claims . How many beer , tobacco companies and casinos are owned by Christians ?

Its 56 percent and that is close to 60

This link will help.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/08/change-is-brewing-among-american-christians/

Alot of the casinos, beer companies and tobacco companies were founded and owned by Christians. I'm the USA. Even some porn actor like Lexington Steel proffes their christianity. He is also a millionaire.