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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 11:52pm On Jul 23, 2018

OkaiCorne:
Oh it's clearer now. You have issues seeing God through the Jewish/Christian lenses...

That's the only idea of God that I know and believed to be real all my life.

Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 11:44pm On Jul 23, 2018

OkaiCorne:
If you do not know how the universe came into being? Then how can you be certain God does not exist?

I do not know how exactly the universe came to be...but at the very least, I know the universe did not appear out of nothing.

Also, life cannot come out of nothing without a Creator involved.

But hey, can science and logic disprove that?

When I say God I am talking about Yahweh the God of christian theism. Thats the God that I was indoctrinated with as a child. I know such a God does NOT exist because we have how he said he created the universe written inside the bible. The universe as we know was NOT created according to the nonsense that was written inside the book of Genesis. The Genesis account is no different from the Yoruba creation mythology. I might not know what 52525727272 × 5162792525266 is but what I know for sure is that the answer can never be 1000.

I might not know how the universe came about but I know for sure that the Genesis creation account is not how the universe we live in came about. That creation mythology was written by ancient people that know nothing about the universe or how it functions.

How did you know that life came about as a result of a single entity called God?

Aren't you just projecting your assumptions on others? How did you know that only a single creator was involved?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 11:36pm On Jul 23, 2018*

winner01:
In most cases, man can't sufficiently convince man, man can only try to point man in the direction of more compelling evidence. The journey to such knowledge's are personal, very personal.

For you to ask if God can convince man:
1. You'd have to adequately define your idea of conviction. I noted this earlier in the Op and asked "what if our genes are tweaked to increase a predisposition to believe in Supreme beings?"
2. You'd have to assume that such a God wants to compel man to consider his convictions if there are already any. Freewill then comes into the question

Very empty talk, if God as defined and advertised by you guys wants people to know about him then the issue of a person's idea of conviction will not even rise because God being all knowing and all mighty will know exactly what it will take to convince every and all humans. Remember you are talking about an alleged being with unlimited abilities that wants to be in a relationship with humans to the extent that he killed himself for them accordingto the story. There is nothing like freewill since according to the bible some where created and chosen by him even before the earth was formed. The word free will does not even appear in the bible so let's just put and end to this copout Christians use to keep lying to themselves.

I think Christians already consider the Biblical God an interventionist God but the extent isn't clearly defined.

The bible clearly states and explains the level of its God intervention in the life of the Christian.

Here is what Jesus said according to the bible.

"Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it."

According to the bible Jesus was a very great miracle worker that did so many wonderful and incredible work. The bible even says that if all the works he did were to be recorded all the book in the world at that time will not be able to take it.

Jesus then PROMISED those of you that believe in him the ability to do greater things than he did and also PSOMISED YOU that what ever you ask in his name he will do it.

If this is true then you winner01 should be able to heal amputees, feed starving children with 5 fish and few pieces of bread, walk on water, raise the dead, heal people with cancer and other terminal illnesses at will, pass through walls etc because Jesus promised you that and clearly stated that he will always intervene when you pray in his name as a believer in him.

The fact thathat you can't do any of this things promised you despite your very sincere beliefs shows that the promise is false and you believe in a lie. But knowing the kind of person that you are you won't want to accept that you have been lied to and you are following lies, you'll prefer to tell us why atheist won't accept evidence for a God when the evidence to show that your God is a made up lie lies right in your presence.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 11:17pm On Jul 23, 2018

I've noticed that the Christians here don't want to provide any evidence to show that their God exist, they know very well that their God has no evidence to show that it exist so they keep pushing their God to the relm of the unknown by saying that God is supernatural and as such only supernatural evidence will prove that he doesn't exist. Firstly this is totally false because they have never provided any supernatural evidence that supports their God in anyway at all.

Non of them can give you a SINGLE example of a supernatural event or occurrence, all they can do is keep throwing the word around but when asked to substantiate they'll start blabbing.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 11:05pm On Jul 23, 2018

OkaiCorne:
Atheists are certain God does not exist!

I'd like to know how this universe came to be in the first place...

Was it by accident?

So the reason why you believe in God is because you do not know how the universe came into being?

As an atheist I do not know how the universe came about. Cam you use God alone and objectively explain to me how the universe cane about?

Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 6:02pm On Jul 23, 2018

winner01:
Haha? That's the only thing you understood in his whole explanation?

Oya read it again

Slowly this time.

https://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbageday/2013/everdraed/post.gif

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 5:54pm On Jul 23, 2018

winner01:
Oya read Johnys explanation:

Do you understand now?

Did you read where he said he does NOT agree with your position? What are you saying?

Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 5:47pm On Jul 23, 2018

winner01:
Neither am I interested in providing evidence.

It's NOT that you are not interested in providing any evidence. The fact is that you can NOT and do NOT have any evidence to provide.

Since you haven't provided any evidence based on what atheist claim will convince them then why are you saying that no evidence will convince any atheist. You are only making this assertion because you know you can't provide any and failure to do that proves their point as such you make up this boogeyman and beat it so that you can sleep well at night.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 3:50pm On Jul 23, 2018

winner01:
Why do you just love repetitions?

No be me and you today.

You'll have to sort this out with johnydon22, he's the one who asked what evidence would convince you. I simply refuted all the evidences you brought forward Ij the thread.

You're making no point and I'm not ready for this.

Either you're demented or just being unreasonable. I reiterate, I have nothing to prove to any atheist here, neither am I interested in providing any evidence for any atheist. This thread proves, based on johnydon22's question, that nothing will serve as proof for Gods existence to an atheist.

You'll need to get back to johnydon22 on this, he's the one who asked "what will serve as evidence for the existence of a God". I simply reiterated it.

Once again, my point remains, there is no evidence that any atheist can give to johnydon22 on this matter, that cannot be refuted.

Se fini.

Which evidence have you provided? You did not provide any of the stated evidence but somehow you know that no evidence will convince any atheist. Provide the evidence first and see if it fails to convince anybody before engaging in your meaningless la la la dance.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 2:39pm On Jul 23, 2018

winner01:
We are not saying the same thing. I'm definately not trying to provide sufficient evidence for anyone neither am I trying to prove or disprove anyone's evidence.

This thread simply proves that nothing will serve as evidence for Gods existence to an atheist, and I sure hit some nerves

Why not tell me what evidence will cause your "open-minded" self to believe in God, and let me simulate how your atheist brothers will dance around it.

You have NOT provided any evidence according to what you've said but somehow you know that no evidence provided will convince aNY atheist? The many many lies you tell yourselves so that you can sleep well at night. grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 2:36pm On Jul 23, 2018

winner01:
Long talk, still bullsh*t.

How about you tell me what evidence will convince you of Gods existence and I'll quickly provide how an atheist can dance around it.

I've stated it already and you even brought it up yourself with a very lame attempt of trying to show that it's not adequate. Here it is again.

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Anything that consistently agrees with observable reality based on the claims of the said God. Provide evidence that consistently agrees with observable reality based on the claims of your own God. Provide that evidence and see if I don't change my mind. So go ahead and provide the evidence of your God that agrees with observable reality based on the claims of your own God.

I stem from an Islamic background. This is the umpteenth time I'm typing this on this forum, I typed it here several years ago and it hasn't changed. So please expose me
I have the archives, thanks to Seun.]

Ogbeni were you ever a Muslim?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 2:00pm On Jul 23, 2018

winner01:
I was not born a Christian. I stem from an Islamic background before I went to philosophical agnosticism. The fact that I'm from an Islamic background does not validate or invalidate the claims of Islam. The claims of Islam must be argued on other grounds. Plus, I'm not trying to shove my belief down your throat, you're the one who's doing that already.

Wait a second! Is it that I overestimated the ability of atheists to comprehend this simple thread and not get angry and rant defensively
You guys need to learn from johnydon22, for blessed are the meek

You want to start telling lies abi? Where you ever a Muslim at any time in your life? Lie and let me expose you. I have already screen grabbed what you wrote before on this issue. You were never a Muslim unless what you wrote before was a lie.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 1:54pm On Jul 23, 2018

winner01:
What will you accept as evidence for Gods existence?

And why are you so angry

You are so emotionally at attached to this belief of yours that any body that questions your position on it seems angry. So pointing out and calling your shenanigans means am angry abi? What ever makes you sleep well at Night.

The evidence for a God that exist will be universally objective. If your God exist as advertised then that means he loves humans and will want to be in a loving relationship with them and will know more than humans what evidence they'll need to believe in him, since according to the talehe is all knowing. If God exist as advertised it will be self evident. The sun exist and is self evident. Nobody doubt it's existence, why is it that it is something that allegedly created the universe, is alive, and wants people to know about its existence that has no evidence and is not self evident. The reason is because God is a fiction of human imaginations.

Calm down. How you expect me to respond to your arguments when you ignored mine is really baffling.

Read the thread again, the thread was not an evangelical thread. Its simply a point I tried to make. Why are you so agitated?

The thread is. You are trying to claim that atheist will never accept any evidence for God because you know very well that all evidence for God are all made up and are NOT self evident.

Which of the evidence to show that Jesus came to die for humans as a sacrifice is self evident? If you were born 400 years ago in the ancient Benin empire you wouldn't know this and would have lived your life to 100 without ever having an idea of this religious hypothesis. You would have believed in another version of God that also isnt self evident.

Keep wallowing.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 12:08pm On Jul 23, 2018

CAPSLOCKED:

ALMOST EVERYWHERE YOU GO ON EARTH, THERE ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE TRYING TO TELL YOU TO BELIEVE IN THEIR OWN VERSION OF A SUPREME BEING. WITHOUT PEOPLE TELLING YOU ABOUT "IT", YOU WILL NEVER KNOW. YOU WILL LIVE A HAPPY, HEALTHY, SUCCESSFUL AND FREE LIFE IF EVERYTHING IS IN ORDER FOR YOU. YOU'LL ALMOST LAUGH TO DEATH AT THE IDEA OF A JEWISH CARPENTER WHO DIED FOR YOUR SINS IF IT WAS TOLD TO YOU WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY A SUCCESSFUL 70 YEAR-OLD MAN, WORSE IS THE IDEA THAT DRINKING COW PISS AND EATING DUNG WILL CURE YOUR DISEASES WHEN ALL YOU'VE KNOWN YOUR WHOLE LIFE IS ADVANCED MEDICINE WHICH TRUTHFULLY WORKS.

RELIGION IS MAN MADE. I WAS CHRISTIAN CUS I WAS BORN IN A CATHOLIC FAMILY. IF I WAS BORN BY SHEKAU I MIGHT HAVE LOST MY LIFE FOR BEING A REBELLIOUS MUSLIM. IF I WAS BORN TO JAFFAR IN NEPAL I WOULD HAVE BEEN A URINE DRINKER, OR A WALL SLAMMER IF I WAS BORN IN THE MIDDLE EAST. I WOULD HAVE BEEN MEAT FOR ODIN IF I WAS BORN IN ANCIENT NORSE.

OH, HOW THOUGHTFUL OF GOD TO ARRANGE THINGS IN SUCH A WAY THAT, WHICHEVER RELIGION ONE IS BORN INTO IS KNOWN AS THE "RIGHT ONE" ??

RELIGION IS NOT DIVINELY INSPIRED. IT IS SIMPLY GEOGRAPHY.

Winner01 will never respond to this instead he'll be singing his endless la la la tunes.

If he were born in Tehran to one of the clerics he would have been a shite Muslim. If he were born in Kano to a Hausa Muslim family he would have been a sunni Muslim, if it's India he would have been a Hindu.

If he were born 400 years ago in Nigeria he would have been worshipping the Gods his ancestors worshipped. This empty talk of Jesus will not be on his lips.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 12:03pm On Jul 23, 2018

winner01:
But I'm not here to make a case for God. Can't you read?

That's exactly what you are doing ogbeni. You are saying that no evidence will be enough for atheist to believe in God. How do you know this? Atheist have presented what will convince them. Instead of accepting the reasons given, you are trying to lie that it's not enough with lame excuses that don't make any sense at all.

How do YOU know that atheist will not accept any evidence when they've already told you what they'll accept as evidence?

Stop telling lies to yourself and making silly excuses for yourself. Keep wallowing.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 11:40am On Jul 23, 2018

winner01:
Less than 5% of all humans have won this battle or which battle are you talking about again?

Trying to make a case for your God na. Isn't that what you are doing? It's a lost battle aND you know it. If your God is real there won't be Muslims, Hindus, Taoist, Scintologist etc.

You are here trying to lie to yourself as to why the reasons atheist present are not enough when you know they are, you are just bringing empty and ridiculous excuses that don't even make any sense to you.

If atheist don't like evidence then why are they not arguing about the existence of the sun?

Why do they disbelieve evidence that are purely mythical and fictional?

If your God exist as advertised you think you'll be the one to tell others about it or make a case for it abi? Continue wallowing.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 11:21am On Jul 23, 2018

" GOD'S FAILED STRATEGY

Some say that God not only exists but longs to have a meaningful relationship with each one of us. However, in his infinite wisdom, God decided to hide from us--forcing us to rely on faith to believe he exists.

One problem with this strategy is that once we resort to faith, we can believe ANY god exists or many gods exist and, with only faith to go on, it's hard for anyone to prove us wrong. This is rather like giving us a special dice with not six faces, but a few thousand faces--with a different god inscribed on each face.

So God allows chance to decide who will engage in a meaningful relationship with him and who won't. It's pretty obvious this doesn't work very well. After 3,000 or more years, people still worship many different gods. And even those who believe in God have widely varying beliefs about what he is like, what he wants of us and his plans for us.

Furthermore, in some parts of the world, people are increasingly moving from faith to rationality and deciding there are no good reasons to believe God exists.

Hiding from the people you dearly love is a ridiculous strategy and you don't need to be omniscient to figure that out."

- Bill FL

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Christianity Etc › Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by dalaman: 11:20am On Jul 23, 2018

Obgbeni stop fighting a lost battle.

Why aren't atheist denying the existence of the Sun and Moon? Why aren't atheist denying the existence of microbes and gravity?

You know very well that all the evidence provided for God are ALL MADE UP, that is why you are throwing this empty gimmicks and lame excuses.

If there is evidence for God you will NOT be telling people about it. It will be self evident . Nobody argues about the existence of the sun.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Money Ritual In Nigeria: Do You Have Any Evidence It Works? (Disturbing Photos) by dalaman: 11:13pm On Jul 22, 2018

xpmode:
I once watched an American Hollywood horror movie. casting three cult guys who abducted a girl and used her for an occultic ritual. The girl turns to be zombie that goes on a killing spree. Till the end of the movie, she was never caught or subdue.

The last few scenes from the movie show the three guys had become famous and rich music band.

So think beyond Africa or Nigeria being in possession of Dark power, this is not the first time am asking you to make research on Santeria

https://www.ranker.com/list/crazy-creepy-facts-about-santeria/brent-sprecher

When Americans act such movies they always let their viewers know that it's FICTION.

Nollywood will even tell you sometimes that the nonsense they are acting is based in a true story. Inside you'll see all sort of nonsense and empty superstitions like money rituals etc .

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Christianity Etc › Re: Money Ritual In Nigeria: Do You Have Any Evidence It Works? (Disturbing Photos) by dalaman: 7:25pm On Jul 22, 2018

abdulwastecx:
Money ritual is a complete hoax. It is a myth propagated by our stupid movie industry

Nolly wood is the most backward and most useless movie industry in the world. All they do is propagate and encourage useless and backward superstitions.

Christianity Etc › Re: Newly Discovered Sixth Extinction Rewrites Geology by dalaman: 6:05pm On Jul 21, 2018

Ogbeni go and present this study and win a Nobel Peace prize already. Why are you wasting your time here if you have what has already uncovered evolution?

Politics › Re: 21 Nigerian Senators Who May Defect From Their Parties And Why by dalaman: 5:57pm On Jul 21, 2018

Nigerian politicians are anywhere belle face politicians. They always follow the money and nothing else.

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Politics › Re: 400 Public Servants Under Investigation Over Ownership Of Property In Abuja by dalaman: 5:51pm On Jul 21, 2018

This investigation like every other thing in this useless administration of PMB is a ghost chase and a "white elephant project" nothing will ever come out of it. Nobody will be prosecuted and arrested for any crime. They just want to use it to scare empty political points.

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Politics › Re: 2019: Atiku Declares Presidential Bid, Tackles Buhari by dalaman: 5:44pm On Jul 21, 2018

buhariguy:
but buhari is more better than your ineffectual buffoon and PDP for 16yrs.

Argue with your phone

Which PDP? 70 percent of the political office holders in Buhari's government were ex PDP members so who are you fooling?

Politics › Re: 2019: Atiku Declares Presidential Bid, Tackles Buhari by dalaman: 4:03pm On Jul 21, 2018

donkaz2:
Liar ur hope is 20% Pdp will turn u down cos u are not trust worthy then after 2 years u will run back to APC saying its more dedicated and focus....... One annoying thing is seeing all this fools moving from one party to another after so much atrocities and nothing achieved..... They cause problem in A and move to B then after destroying B for selfish interest u move to A and claim the A u once campaign for lack vision.. And some animal will celebrate it

There u be a rule stopping this if u can't cope with a party again form a new party or quit politicsa

How has the one there (Buhari) helped Nigerians?

Politics › Re: 2019: Atiku Declares Presidential Bid, Tackles Buhari by dalaman: 4:02pm On Jul 21, 2018

No matter how bad an Atiku presidency is it can never be worse than that of Buhari so Nigerians should give him a chance.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is Christianity Sexist ?? More than Islam? by dalaman: 11:26am On Jul 21, 2018

Islam is more sexist.

Crime › Re: Doctor Who Slapped And Flogged A Nurse Arrested And Charged In Lagos (Photo) by dalaman: 8:34am On Jul 20, 2018

Slap and flog nurse? Na secondary school?

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Islam › Re: Atheists, Allah is Your Creator. Repent, Bow And Stop Being Like Shaitan by dalaman: 8:32am On Jul 20, 2018

chemystery:
Lol. OP trying to share with us some 2000 year old Arab folktales.

It's just that I can't remember those tortoise stories I was told when I was a kid else I'd have shared with you too. Tarok folktales use to be my best those days

Are you Tarok?

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Islam › Re: Atheists, Allah is Your Creator. Repent, Bow And Stop Being Like Shaitan by dalaman: 7:52am On Jul 20, 2018

Who does the OP expect to read this long thrash?

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Christianity Etc › Re: This Will End Fulani Killings. This Thread Is For Sons Of God Only by dalaman: 11:29pm On Jul 18, 2018

Oracle16:
Our 21 days agreement prayer has ended. Real Change is coming. God is in control. Keep praying on your own. This government has ended in the spiritual realm, just wait and see the manifestation. 2019 is very far! Real change is very near.

Shut up you liar! The only thing that has ended is you shameless lies. 21 days has passed and nothing has happened as I stated. You are totally deluded. Instead of hiding your face in Shame you are still here telling more lies that the government is dead spiritually. What a load of hogwash. You are a liar!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Moral Problems (questions) by dalaman: 11:24pm On Jul 18, 2018

Interesting dilemmas.

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