₦airaland Forum

1stCitizen:
What is the white man's idea of God? There you go again. All the studies I have read about Atheists are that they are former Christians who have a strong resentment to the Christian God. I believe by white man's God you are referring to the Christian God.

I did mention many gods earlier and your hypocritical belief in the devil. Which God was I talking about

How do you know if the God I believe in is different from the one the early missionaries of Africa preached about.

So whenever someone mentions God, you acknowledge they are talking about One God. Means there is a belief somewhere innit. It stinks of hypocrisy.

The christian God is nothing but the God of the white man. After all the new Testament was written in Greek the white man's language. White people assembled the bible and put it together. The early church fathers that put up everything that is christianinty today were all white men. Christianity is a white man's religion.
Go and follow the God of your own ancestors. Be there decieving your self with the God of the whites thinking you are special.

1stCitizen:
So in your ignorance you think the existence of gods is the white man's idea.

See what I mean by your belief in the white man superiority. What where your ancestors before the white man came....Atheists?

They had their own God idea they invented. You on the other hand are just following the white man's idea of God but still feel you are somehow special because of it.

1stCitizen:
I pity your ignorance. It's typical of many Africans that follow the white man blindly thinking they of an inferior specie. You have this complex more than I imagined.

An empirical study carried out by Baylor University which was reported by the Wall Street Journal of September 2008 shows that Atheists are more superstitious than Christians and are hypocrites. Same thing I am saying to your clan in Africa.

The study was carried out by the same white man you worship. Shame

You are ridiculous. You follow a white man's God idea and you are here talking senselessly. When you cam point to any invention that was made by juju that is beneficial to the people that believe in it Then I will take you seriously. Science and Technology for example has has universal usage and has benefited humanity . I am able to communicate with you on this platform because of science and technology. Point to one use or help that juju has rendered those of you that believe in it apart from them say them say urban legend. If juju works then let it be used by those that believe in it to slove the economic recession that Nigeria is presently embroiled in. You keep talking about mythology and expect me to take you seriously. You are a joke. Tell the juju practitioners to use their juju and slove the electricity problems that has been facing Nigeria for decades.

1stCitizen:
Story. I am sure Atheist car thieves walked past the car that was protected by juju objects and left unlocked

Stop bandying ridiculous rumours and urban legends. Juju as never done anybody any good. Despite all our juju a couple of white slave merchants conquered our lands, enslaved our ancestors forcefully converted their children and made them follow the white man's religion, burned down their shrines and evil forest etc because they had ancient guns and other arms that weren't even effective as the ones that we have now .Juju is a farce the day we decide to use juju to slove our electricity or transportation problems in Nigeeia that is when I will begin to listen to myth believing people like you. You claim to be living amongs white people but you are still holding the beliefs of people that are living in your bush village. You should be ashamed of yourself.

1stCitizen:
Thanks for this quote. More of a case of confusion than hypocrisy.

Maybe you can help him.point to where I ever claimed that pastors use juju for miracles. When will you guys stop telling lies?

JesusWillSaveME:
Dont deceived yourself, you and your clan claim a pastors are using Juju to perform miracle, now you are saying satan does not exist.

Where did I claim that pastors use juju to perform miracle?

1stCitizen:
Good question. At least you believe there are gods so forget the Atheism crap. Baal is a god. There are lesser gods and a supreme one.

Even the bible acknowledges there are are many gods but asks Christians to worship no other God beside Jehovah for he is a jealous God.

I do not believe that there are any Gods. People believe in many different Gods but the reality is that all these a Gods are human ideas. The bible is just another religious book. According to the Hindus verses there is no God but Brahma. The Koran says there is no God but Allah. Your religious book is not the only book that knows how to make claims about other imaginary Gods.

sorextee:
I sincerely know that some of them believe God exists. But when things don't go right, they feel God has abandoned them. We can't blame them, judging by the evils and ills going on in the country.

Let me share a small gossip bout my colleague in the office.
She has been married for years. Always experiencing one miscarriage or the other. She kept her faith strong, still bliving God. she finally put to bed. But d child start dey sick. She Fasted, prayed, did all d every every. Few days make d baby clock 1, The baby died. Sympathisers were telling her God knows best, blah blah blah. Out of no where, she started cursing God. She's no longer going to church, shes a full time atheist.

That was why I said most of them have a personal grudge against God. Cc

DeSepiero (you dat called me olodo)

Which of the Gods among the many that people believe in exist?

1stCitizen:
God tells you that hard work brings prosperity so there is nothing different from what you just said.

Forget what the white man makes you believe. They understand the concept of sowing seeds and harvest. It is a spiritual law that is not restricted to religion.

I live amongst them so I can tell you more. Do you know the UK government supports Churches and even mosques?

Very funny but if I bring a diabolic object and ask you to swear you do not have grudges against God and believe in the devil you will run away.

Stop projecting your fears on me. There is no diabolical object that you'll bring that will make me fear any God or devil. They are all imaginary. I do not fear imaginary ideas.

JesusWillSaveME:
Dont deceived yourself, you and your clan claim a pastors are using Juju to perform miracle, now you are saying satan deos not exit.

I challenge go and take a selfie in a burial ground by 4am ()

If that one is difficult, locate an witch-doctor and slap him

If the above is difficult go to your village and announce that all the witches are powerless and can do you noting

After any of the above, come and post pics on Nairaland

So taking a selfie in the grave yard by 4am is what will convince you that witches do not exist? Why are witches found only in the villages? .

1stCitizen:
Chief is alive as living proof and I can only know about the human sacrifice through him and not a babalawo.

Let's not digress. The last time people were murdered and buried in a church foundation at Enugu. The only thing you lot could say was " this is what happens when people seek miracles" Hypocritically endorsing some miracles of the devil.

You fear the devil no doubt and as someone just put it. What you have against God are just grudges

People give pastors their monies all in the names of sowing seeds and thithes. People being deceived and made to bury people at the bottom of their church buildings only show that there are gullible people that fell for the sham. I do not fear any devil because the devil is an imaginary idea. Maybe when you show.me a devil and how to identify one in reality I can get to fear one after interacting with it and discover that it is worth fearing. Until then the devil remains an imaginary idea that exist only inside your head.

1stCitizen:
The conept of belief may apply to suicide bombers as the dead cannot speak.

However why would I take the risk to kill another for money if not that Chief XYZ told me it worked for him then took me to his jazzman and I can also verify his wealth.

You forget that the babalawos or ritualist want money as well. It is an enterprise that they are running mostly for money. Forget the fiction you are used to watching in Nigerian movies. They just keep.promoting this ideas and make them look real and acceptable but they are fiction. Non of them has anything to do with reality. The ritualist will call names of prominent people and claim they helped them get rich and famous but it's all lies.

These ritualist function like all these prosperity pastors. They will tell you to sow seed and God will make you rich. Many people go to Sunday week in week out sowing seeds but their lot in life still remains the same. Even when progress comes it comes it does not come as a result of the sowing of seed but they attribute it to the sowing of seeds.

If you want lots of money it's either you work for it legally or illegally or you inherit it from someone, win a lottery or something. Killing your entire village because a ritualist tell you to do so will not make you rich.

White people do not believe in money rituals. They own all the wealth in the world today. We have nothing compared to them despite our money ritual claims.

1stCitizen:
The conept of belief may apply to suicide bombers as the dead cannot speak.

However why would I take the risk to kill another for money if not that Chief XYZ told me it worked for him then took me to his jazzman and I can also verify his wealth.

You forget that the babalawos or ritualist want money as well. It is an enterprise that they are running mostly for money. Forget the fiction you are used to watching in Nigerian movies. They just keep.promoting this ideas and make them look real and acceptable but they are fiction. Non of them has anything to do with reality. The ritualist will call names of prominent people and claim they helped them get rich and famous but it's all lies.

These ritualist function like all these prosperity pastors. They will tell you to sow seed and God will make you rich. Many people go to Sunday week in week out sowing seeds but their lot in life still remains the same. Even when progress comes it doesn't come it as a result of the sowing of seed but they attribute it to the sowing of seeds.

If you want lots of money it's either you work for it legally or illegally or you inherit it from someone, win a lottery or something. Killing your entire village because a ritualist tell you to do so will not make you rich.

White people do not believe in money rituals. They own all the wealth in the world today. We have nothing compared to them despite our money ritual claims.

1stCitizen:
A personal grudge built by frustration especially when things go pear shaped in their lives hence God is to blame or does not exist. Very convenient

That is your baseless opinion. There are many Gods that humans worship. Yours just happen to be one of the God ideas invented by men.

1stCitizen:
Atheists are always quick to point out that the existence of GOD is all Sunday school cartoon crap. In recent times we have more Africans embracing Atheism.

Common belief is that the Devil is an angel CREATED BY GOD who decided to rebel against God and as a result was cast down.The Devil is still attempting this coup d’état, by causing untold pain through his fallen angels and demons.

As Africans we are witnesses to money ritual murders which has increased in frequency due to greed in recent times.

If these money human sacrifices did not produce results they would have been a thing of the past. These are sacrifices made to Demons and spirits with allegiance to Satan. Covenants of blood to produce business favour, monetary gifts, job promotion, granting of contracts, political appointments or even raw production of currency in some cases.

Now my point is how come the African Atheist especially the Nigerian one never disputes such human sacrifices as a waste of time.

If these devilish sacrifices are useless why the increased frequency?

How come the African Atheist is afraid of the devil. How? Tell the average African Atheist that a restaurant is dedicated to a demon and owned by a satanist. Put an image of a demon at the entrance and watch how they will avoid the food even if their life depends on it.

It shows that African Atheists believe the Devil exists but claim God does not exist. This does not even make carnal sense to talk more of spiritual sense.

You hear them making statements like. "Do not envy that man. It could be blood money"

Can one conclude they are hypocrites?

Money ritual is as fake as the devil himself. Believe me. If it worked most people will be rich or achieve whatnever it is that they want . I know people that have tired it and it failed them. Instead of accepting that it is not real they claimed that the ritualist they encountered that are fake. They still believe that there are real ritualist out there . Belief is a very strong thing even if it doesn't work. Suicide bombing doesn't take people to heaven but the number of suicide bombers is on the increase. Killing people can never make you rich. The richest business people in the world today are mostly non religious people that neither believe in any God nor devil.

Atheist are not afraid of the devil because just like God, the devil is an imaginary entity.

tartar9:
Still waiting for the former Muslim atheist

There are no muslim atheist here. Only one was here before but has soon stopped posting years ago.

4evergod2:
Its sweet to it? So the baby was born knowing automatically what is pleasurable right?

The baby is simply responding to stimulus.

KingEbukaNaija:
Different religions were gotten from man's rebellion and then desire to reconnect to God

This is false and remains your own opinion. There are different Gods. Please stop talking as if your God is the only God that people believe in.

Dalaman , so you will permit you daughter to engage in sexual activities with an adult if the practice is legalized ? I'm tired to you tacitly agreeing , I want a direct response .

No I won't never. I can't do that because I see it as a crime and a very bad thing. But assuming I was raised in a society that sees nothing wrong with it I will follow suit. But since I wasn't raised to accept it but to frown at it even if the law was changed to allow child marriage I will never allow that to happen. Child marriage is allowed in Nigeria up north but will I allow any body to come and marry of my child? Never I won't. Try to understand what I am saying. You are more intrested in taking words and running away with them out of context. I too can play that game.

KingEbukaNaija:
The Jewish Law is different from a moral law .

Na wah ooo. Nothing man no go see. . Is the 10 commandments a Jewish law or a moral law?

KingEbukaNaija:
@ Dalaman What nettles me about you atheists is that you claim Christians are credulous and are malleable or easily manipulated but the authorities who decide what is wrong for you plebs are perverted minds who construct these laws to make it convenient for them without feeling of guilt . They permit you to sleep with animals , family members , little females , same sex and possibly dead bodies .


Atheism is indeed rebellion against God .

The problem is that even with God people were/are still allowed to sleep with family members. I told you that Abraham married his sister, mu slims are allowd to marry their first cousins . Mohammed married a 6 years old child and muslims still take after him some Hindu God's allow homosexuality. Even with theism some of the things you've stated are permitted. Theist morality comes in different shades and colors. It is not universal.
Atheist are also part of a society and as such must live and abide by societal codes of conduct.

KingEbukaNaija:
I brought the link from the "atheist" site because the author at least understands what objective morality is all about .

Atheist site? I thought it was Wikipedia.

Continue being disingenuous , we all know animal sacrifices were used to propitiate God in past dispensations not now .

I thought God said he changes not. It says he is the same yesterday today and forever in the bible.

KingEbukaNaija:
People rejected God and formed their own moral codes for the benefits of the elites and at the expense of the indigent .

The Christian God is the true God

Reject which God? There are many different Gods and yours is just one of the false and fake ones. The only true God is Brahma.

KingEbukaNaija:
Apparently you don't know what objective morality is . Stop obfuscating issues and get with the program ! When y'all heading to Canada ? Some animals need satisfaction

You are the one that doesn't even know what you are talking about. You referred to a link that states that objective morality has never been confirmed and you are talking about me not understanding what you are saying.

Those sheep will do your God a lot of good. They will help him calm down since he says that he loves the smell of burning animals. Please hurry up and burn those sheep so that you'll calm his nerves with your burnt offering.

KingEbukaNaija:
What makes morality objective is God @ Dalaman . Universally binding objective moral values exist since God exists

Which God? There are different Gods and different religions. It can't be God since there are different Gods that people believe in. There is no universally accepted moral codes of conduct anywhere.

KingEbukaNaija:
God centered morality

Even the source you referenced claims that no objective source of morality has ever been confirmed meaning all sources of morality are subjective. The second reference is just christian apologetic rant and drivel that isn't worth replying to.

KingEbukaNaija:

Google objective morality. It's obvious that you don't even know what it means. There is a difference between objective morality and God centred morality. You are talking about God centred morality which is still subjective. Sharia is subjective same as the morality in the bible.

KingEbukaNaija:
Is that an oblique statement indicating that God makes his moral laws arbitrarily ?

Objective morality means God's moral laws guide me from going astray or erring . His laws tell me whats right or wrong . That means even if societal laws assent to a particular way of life , I can disagree if it is at variance with the moral laws from God .

Am sorry but you just describe subjective morality.

4evergod2:
Herein ls your confusion. You say you do not know yet you argue and try to refute even what you do not know instead of craving to know.

So its safe to say you are in a quagmire that you do not have a clue how to come out of it.

I may not know what 24361*5262262 is but I know for sure that it can never be 20. How do you that your own version of God created the earth? What irrefutable evidence do you have to provide?

4evergod2:
So am I right to infer that you are confused or Blank?

Do you have any laid down plan to find out or you have someone you are absolutely sure can give you answers?

Or you are just floating. Pray tell.

I am not confused. Admitting that you don't know something is not the same as being confused. Do you have any irrefutable evidence to show that the God of the bible created the universe? Is there any irrefutable evidence to show that everything evolved from single cells? There is no such evidence anywhere. So I do not know is the most honest position for me.

4evergod2:
You are a proud Atheist yes? And you stand tall to say Atheists do not believe in the science of evolution neither do they believe in Biblical creation.

Dont dodge this question again as u enjoy doing.

WHAT DO ATHEISTS BELIEVE AS THE ORIGIN OF MAN?

Some atheist accept the theory of evolution and some don't. I personally do not know and I am always ready to admit it. It is not a position of evolution or creationism. There is the I don't know category and some of us fall into it. There is no absolute evidence to show that evolution is true and as such I do not accept it. Creationism has no evidence at all to support it only claims and words of mouth. So I personally belong to the I do not know crowd based on lack of evidence for both creationism and evolution.

4evergod2:
If it is not an Atheistic belief then which is your belief?

It is not an atheistic postulation period. Evolution is a scientific theory and not an atheistic theory. There are more theist that believe in evolution than atheist. The Catholic Church including the pope supports evolution and says that the creation narrative in the bible is only symbolic. Both theist and atheist accept evolution. It is a scientific theory and has nothing to do with atheism or theism.

4evergod2:
Nobody forced you to respond to my post but if you must get your head together and your education and facts straight before you do.

The only Ape specie that engages in honosexuality is the bonobo or pygmy chimpanzee so did man come from thd bonobo since some crave homosexuality.

Oh I forgot Atheists do not believe in science and science talks about the big bang and evolution and the same Atheists do not believe in Creation.

So for the Atheist how did they come to be? Did they just magically appear? I ask this because u are not pro science and not pro creation.

But wait I headd you arguing your "GOD DOES NOT EXIST" Theory and your " GOD IS NOT THE AUTHUR OF MORALS" Theory using the same Scientific research you claim not to believe in.

So which are you? Confused? Delusional? Unstable? Or just BLANK.

I repeat get your facts right. Homosexuality exist in gorillas, golden monkeys, orangutan and chimps. It is not true that only bonbons practice it. Homosexuality exist in almost all.mammalian species. Google is your friend. As for evolution the fact is that more theist believe in it than atheist. Some of the highest proponents of evolution are theist. The postulation that humans evolved from hominid apes is a scientific postulation and not an atheistic one.