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kevoh:
Which christians? These ones that the only thing they know is how to bribe their god with tithes and first fruits for some earthly riches when the golden mansions promised to them are wasting away. These ones love earthly pleasures like kilode. Private jets, porsche cars, birthday in exotic locations e.t.c are the only thing they know. The only ones I take serious are the ones who have left their comfort zones to work with organisations like Doctors without Border in disease, famine or war torn ravaged zones. These ones know they can die anytime from being infected or taken hostage by rebel warlords but yet they still travel down to help those in need. These are the ones that are truly sure of their belief.

The greatest con artist are the Nigerian pastors and GOs. The ones that move around with body guards even inside their churches . These guys actually do not believe in the God they profess. If God protects what do you need a body guard for? They know the truth and reality but keep deceiving the commoners with sweet words while they live in comfort and luxury.

johnydon22:
Believers of a paradise in an everlasting afterlife are the only set of people i know who still are afraid and don't want to leave their meaningless earthly houses in a troublesome world and go to a serene blissful paradise with golden mansions.

I mean literally it's like not wanting to leave your small one room apartment for a big beautiful mansion in Banana Island - who does that?

Maybe after all they are even unsure of the belief in afterlife and paradise..

The way they fear death makes one wonder, do they really believe what they preach?

Its obvious they are unsure of their beliefs. How can you bit want to go to heaven . Believers are supposed to be praying for fast and painless death to come their way, so that we will know that they mean business .

damogulxx:
Christianity is a growth process because faith grows. There are believers who have overcome the fear of death and I am one of such examples. Some have not.

Same way you have atheists who do not believe in evolution while others do so are believers when it comes to the issue of death.

There are few perfect believers so you cannot judge a believer yet with the perfect word of God in their imperfection.

This thread is childish as all you aim to do is not learn but simply mock. If you reply me I will not respond because I have said all I need to say.

Enjoy your Atheistic years while they last.

You've just denied so many things we see around us as usual.

hahn:
Why should you be scared when you know you are going to a better place? A paradise filled with all goodies that can't be found on earth? To live eternally in the bosoms of the Lord?

Please help me ask him oo. You guys claim that this world is not your home. You have a much better place where there is no pain and sorrow and a loving God to spend time with there. Instead of happily going there they cry and wail when they are supposed to always pray for a fast and speedy death always. They instead pray for longer lives and all sort of things that will make them remain on earth instead of praying for a fast and speedy death to go and be with Jesus in the afterlife. They clearly do not believe in what they are preaching. Muslims can not wait to go and be with Allah and his promised virgins. They wrap bombs round themselves and hurry up the process,but christians will cry and wail all day when they are in danger of losing their lives.

The death of the Morning Preacher in Abuja made me have second thoughts about christians and the their so called belief. Instead of celebrating that one of their foot soldiers was killed and has gone to be with Jesus most were cursing her killers and complaining that Justice must be served. I thought Jesus had already warned christians that they will suffer persecution because of him. Why do christian fear death instead of always praying for a fast aND painless death so that they can go to heaven and be with their God? Just came across this post on another thread and decided to share it here because it very well says what I want to say about christians and their irrational fear of death despite claiming they want to go and be with their God.

mazaje:
What suprises me about christians especially is their love of life and irrational fear of death. If they truly believe their religion is true why do they fear death soooo much? Christians pray endlessly for the silliest of things. They know they will die yet constantly pray that they don't. When they are sick instead of praying for a quick and painless death they pray for quick recovery so that they will continue to live. When sick they still fast and pray to get well and live. This is very silly because most christians claim to want to be with the loved ones they lost. They claim they love Jesus soooo much and will want to be with him. They love god soooo much and wil also want to be with him. They offer praises to god as the best things that has ever happend to them and will want to get to be with him. They can't wait to go to heaven. But when they see danger or anything that will kill them and make them go to heaven they will pray, cry, wail and ask their god to spare their lives and make them continue to live. Why is that so?

Even many of them that can't wait for the rapture and believe it will happen in their life times don't want to die. Go to their houses and see how they are praying shouting and crying to their god to save their lives and the life of their sick ones or those that are facing death in one way or the other. They claim they love jesus and cant wait to be with him, cant wait for the rapture yet, on their death beds they want nothing more than to live.

In the end there is a part of their brain that tells them" Ohh I know thats probably bullshit". . .

opineflu:
repent from your blasphemy..and accept JESUS as ur lord and Saviour...carry ur cross with no shame.This is a warning, you wont say u were never told, cause JESUS Has mark today.Your intelligence wuld not save u on the last day if you refuse

Stop warning people with imaginary and mythical punishment. It only makes you look like a wannabe terrorist.

Image123:
The people He told are a part of the world, humans behave the same. Just like you are behaving, it is the same way the folks in the middle east behaved to Him. Jesus came to the world to woo us already. Then He sent the Holy Spirit and His disciples. Millions of people have come to a personal relationship with Jesus through His means. You siddon and be looking for more efficient means.

Because Jesus did not send the message himself christianity has over 33,000 sects today in a free for all fight for who is right and who is wrong. Right beside me here is a seven day adventist publication saying that the Catholic Church is the mother of all Satan. If Jesus preached his message himself all these things will not be happening assuming Jesus is real and not another mythical God men invented.

Image123:
Yes He did and you need to also appreciate the context. You love your sister, you love your mother, you love your father, you love your wife, you love food, you love sports etc. You cannot do everything for each of these. There are things you can do for your wife you cannot do for your sister. There are things you can do for your mum you cannot do for food. It does not negate the fact that you love food.
Jesus told the world about His message Himself for about three years, with mighty signs and wonders even. They ended up hating Him and ultimately crucifying Him. What is that thing, they say about doing the same thing and expecting something different again? Be a good adviser mr man.

Jesus did not tell the world about his message. He only told a very tiny part of the middle east(Israel ) assuming the things written about him are true. Jesus being God we are told can do all things besides the fact that he wants to be in a personal relationship with humans. If I want to be in a personal relationship with anybody I will go and woo the person myself. I will not send another person.

Image123:
He don't need to convert the whole world, i thought that was the no-brainer.

I thought the bible says that for God so.loved the world that he gave his only son for salvation. Does Jesus want the whole world to hear him or not? If he wants the whole world to hear him why not tell them about his message himself?

Amberon11:
No they weren't. If they are, then kleptomaniacs are born that way too.

Keep buying all scientists say. They once prescribed smoking and ketchup according to scientists could cure diarrhoea and everything else.

You made them gay abi? Homosexuality exist in almost all mammalian species .

UyiIredia:
These atheists sef. Dem just dey make me laugh. Especially HardMirror. They know if they admit that consciousness is immaterial the the points I stated in the OP stands. So they decieve themselves into thinking consciousness is physical when it's clearly not.

Is consiousness a function of the brain or not?

4evergod2:
Dalaman I somehow alwaya get drawn to you for some reason. I know that you are smart somehow sha so on this thread a bunch of you raised arguments and made submissions which eventually was shown to have absolutely zero scientific support. No proof came from you to back your claims up.

I posted proof upon proof with live links too. Like I said, I know you are smart somehow and I always want to trigger your thinking ability and not this your "run with the crowd syndrome".

Discover for yourself if life designed or it just happened or you just do not know.

This thread is another clear cut opportunity.

I didn't respond to you because it wasn't necessary. What proofs did the links provide? Did the links say that consiousnes is immaterial? What exactly did the links say? You just concluded that the links say that we don't know anything about consiousness which is actually not true. The link just says that we do not fully understand what consiousnes is but they then went ahead and postulated some theories. Your post were off point an sorry to say that was why I didn't even bother reponding to them just as someone indicated to you earlier.

KingEbukaNaija:
Oh ... the dilettantes and philistines are here already . Well the message is recondite , only meant perspicacious ones . Sorry you are not on that list

What sort of knowledge is it you are spreading around bro? . You aren't spreading knowledge but assumptions.

KingEbukaNaija:
The only thing they have learnt about consciousness is that the brain is superconnected when someone is awake giving them the special feeling of being self aware and its just a suggestion . There have been also other researches on the level of consciousness shown by plants




Intelligence and Consciousness are attributes bequeathed to us by God . They are eternal . These attributes can only be passed down

We are making several efforts to make robots to be conscious and bear thoughts(passing down) and the only way we can know that that goal has been actualized is because we are conscious and can think too .

Cogito Ergo Sum - I think therefore I am . This explains in a huge way what makes us conscious . Robots can't think nor are they volitional . The only way we can know that's this problem has been overcome is because we are conscious and bear thoughts and can determine if a robot can or not .

Yes , we have the Turing test but its a test for intelligence and how best a robot emulates a human .

Now that explains how God knows man is intelligent/conscious because he has those attributes and he is eternal .

This is so simple , you atheists just choose to make things complex and difficult for yourselves - obfuscation

What are we to do with this pile of baseless assumptions please?

honourhim:
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Yea God can do all things including taking back the life he gave you. The Lord gives, the Lord takes. There's nothing you can do to him than to rant.

Ayne when you show me this God of your giving me life then I will begin to take you seriously. Until then your God remains and imaginary human idea.

shadeyinka:



I do NOT agree that some men are born sodomites. Statistics show that most homosexuals were exposed to influences by older homos while they were young.

Which statistics? Will you stop telling lies?


https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2015/jul/24/gay-genes-science-is-on-the-right-track-were-born-this-way-lets-deal-with-it


http://time.com/3733480/ben-carson-gay-choice-science/

shadeyinka:
An argument I hear often amongst gays is that they were born that way. Look in nature, is there any animal whos sexual preference is of the same sex?

How come its only among human beings we see people claiming an unnatural sexial preference.

If gays are born gay, are kleptomaniacs born kleptomaniac? You apprehend a kleptomaniac stealing in the market, would he be released if his argument was "I was born a kleptomaniac?"

In the name of civilization, we throw sound reasoning out of the window.

I submit the question again, Nairalanders -If gays are born gay, are kleptomaniacs born kleptomaniac?

Gays are naturally born gay. Google is your friend. Homosexuality exist in almost all mammalian species m step outside your comfort zone and learn new things. Recent studies and research shows that even psychopaths are born that way.

4evergod2:
Is says here that science is CLOSING IN ON CONSCIOUSNESS....Thjs means they have no clue yet. SO WHERE ARE YOUR STATEMENTS COMING FROM?

http://www.livescience.com/47096-theories-seek-to-explain-consciousness.html

And here

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/21/-sp-why-cant-worlds-greatest-minds-solve-mystery-consciousness



But here they have provided proof to consciousness scientifically.



http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/aug2/sciproof.htm


Its either science is confused or you are confused or you know more than the same scientist whose theory you are pushing forward and who have denied even having any theory .

So tell me are you a scientist? Or are my above links also lies and fabrications.

Non of the links you provided claimed that NDE occurs when people are dead.

4evergod2:
Drugs do not affect consciouness as your idea of what consciouness is, isnt what we are talking about.

How can someone in a coma or who died come back and tell you what they SAW you doing while they lay lifeless or comatose with their eyes closed?

WHO WAS SEEING ALL THESE WHILE IN A COMA OR DEAD AND COULD REMEMBER THEM WHEN AWAKE?

All these claims have been made but non has been established scientifically.

4evergod2:
Again you speak from the smallness of your thinking capacity. So I guess the scientic information posted by scientists themselves online are all lies and what your much adored seun also stated about science not having any clue about how to explain consciousness is also a lie.

At least Seun admits his limitation but the rest of you are just clutching at straws.

You haven't posted any scientific peer viewed study that says NDE is evidence for the after life or happens when people are dead. Post the scientific study here of you have it.

UyiIredia:
I have seen the truth and the truth is what I'm telling you but you won't listen. Okay so chemical substances alter consciosuness. But is consciousness a chemical substance? Please answer the question.

If consciousness is completely immaterial as you claim then why do material substances like drugs and alcohol affect and alter this immaterial consciousness?

Christians just giving out ridiculous answers all in an attempt to speak on behalf of a God they claim knows and can do all things.

UyiIredia:
Just because it is affected by drugs, age or brain surgery does not make consciousness physical. Apparently in humans consciousness has been made dependent on the brain. But that consciousness, unlike the brain and its activities is immaterial. As a function of the brain, consciousness is immaterial. Science can help explain the brain-consciousness connection but it can't explain why there is consciousness at all.

I am tired of repeating my self over and over again. The sum total of the brain activity is what results in consciousness. Why is there consciousness? There is consciousness because humans or living organisms in general have a complex brain that relates to other sense organs in complicated and complex ways. The sum total of the interactions between the brain and all sensory organs is what results in consciousness.

How does God explain consciousness? Because of the assumption that there is an eternal conscious entity that gives human the ability to be conscious? Please how does that explain anything?

UyiIredia:
Because that immaterial consciousness is dependent on a physical brain to exist in humans.

It simply means it isn't immaterial. If it is immaterial it will exist independently and will not be affected and altered by material things like drugs, age or brain surgery. Consciousness is a function of the brain. That we don't fully understand how our brains function doesn't mean we should fill it with the God of the gaps thrash. We just started studying the brain in the last 50 years and great knowledge has been gained that has changed alot of things. We are still making tremendous progress. Who God of the gaps don epp? Consciousness is simply a function of the brain.

UyiIredia:
Loss in consciousness as a result of physical and chemical damage. God designed our brains to be conscious within certain parameters of health, outside those conditions we lose our consciousness.

Why do you keep making such empty statements? You claim consciousness is immaterial but why are you only aware of material things? You only think and remember material things. Again why do material things like drugs affect and alter consciousness. Why does a brain lobotomy permanently affect a person's consciousness? Why does age and weaknesses of the brain cells also affect this immaterial consciousness? If consciousness isn't a function of the brain then why does it totally rely and depend on the material brain?

UyiIredia:
Since you foolishly insist that consciousness is physical tell me it's chemical components.

If consciousness is immaterial as your claim then why do material stuffs affect it like drugs? Alcohol affects consciousness alot for example. A brain surgery can permanently alter your consciousness. If consciousness is immaterial then why does material damage or chemical effect on the brain alter or affect this immaterial consciousness?

4evergod2:
Example again.....science itself has repeatedly shown that there is consciousness even after someone has been certified as clinically dead. In these cases people who died and were brought back to life told those who brought them back all they saw them doing while they lay dead. It was like seeing everything from above or from a corner of the room

This is false no scientific study has concluded that consciousness survives bodily death. NDE and OBE all happen when people are fully alive. Near death experience can be induced in the lab using certain drugs .

Teempakguy:
peaceful death in itself IS a result of being saved from persecution. one doesn't die "peacefully" while being beheaded by ISIS militants for preaching the gospel for God's sake.

You have not answered anything. you are simply deluding yourself.

The question still stands. Why will A God promise to save his followers from evil, and then advise his followers to run from evil?

The question become even more complicated when you factor in God's supposedly empathic and loving nature. what loving God would sit and watch as his followers . . . or more colloquially, his children, die extremely horrible deaths, all while crying to him to save them, all in the name of, "They're coming to me anyway. a little pain can't hurt."

even the Atheists . . . the so called "Wicked" That the bible is always cursing here and there, live more peaceful lives than most Christians.

It gets even worse for him because the verse he keeps quoting which says that people should run is another failed prophecy made by Jesus. Jesus clearly promised the desciples that he will return back and save them during the life time of some of them.

Matt 10: 21-23.
21. Brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death, 22 and you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes

He clearly told them that they will suffer persecution but they should keep running from one town to another, before they finish going through the towns of Israel he will return. That was 2000 years ago, yet we have people still waiting for this mythological and imaginary return.

What kind of book of contradiction is this? In one word Jesus/God says I will protect you from all evil, in the next it also says that oh you will suffer evil because of me, in another one it says what ever you ask for in my name I will answer it because I am your loving father so long as you believe, in the next it says don't worry I might not be there to answer you each time you call.my name. No wonder the body of Christ is more confused than ever because they are just following a a pack of confusing that is closed to madness really.

macof:
look at how he's saying all this as if he knows what he's talking about

what babalawo do you know that has done money ritual?

Babalawo here simply means juju man that engages in money ritual.

1stCitizen:
How? Come on lets argue intelligently nah. Even the verdic sanskrit says .......... does that statement claim the writer is Hindu. Note the use of the word 'even' at the beginning. Do you know what that means in starting a statement?

Please argue logically. I am still waiting for you to show me where I called myself a christian in this thread.

You indicated you were a christian by pointing to the bible. I said you indicated you were a christian. I know you are a christian so let's cut the Chase. Nothing makes you special by believing in the God of the slave masters and colonialist.

1stCitizen:
Show me where I made this claim..

You made it here :

1stCitizen:
Good question. At least you believe there are gods so forget the Atheism crap. Baal is a god. There are lesser gods and a supreme one.

Even the bible acknowledges there are are many gods but asks Christians to worship no other god beside Jehovah for he is a jealous God.

You already indicated that you were a Christian with those comments.

1stCitizen:
Stop the digression due to lack of points to give credibility to the confusion and hypocrisy within you lot.

You confirmed that your ancestors had gods and then claim to be Atheist (a white man idea) then you claim not to be subservient to a white man's views. My brother stop the inferiority complex.

I ask again how do you know if it is the Christian God I believe in, Buddha or Krishna. It means you are a former christian as recent studies have shown atheists are begrudged to only one God else you will attack the others.The reasons for Atheist grudge I will dwell on on my next thread.

Just read your comments. You already indicated that you were a christian. Believing in the white man's God doesn't make you special.