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Joshthefirst:
Finofaya, God doesn't owe you anything. I wonder what image of God you have in your head. Cursing, or refusing to believe in his existence doesn't move or change him in any way. He still remains God, and he works with those who believe. Simple.

Imagine you're God Almighty who created all things and transcends all, would you be bothered if some people refused to believe in you? I don't think so. You'd do things your way, and have mercy on whomever you choose to have mercy on, and kill whomever you choose to kill. Because you're God. Some Idio.ts think God is threatened by their disbelief. Quite foolish if you ask me.

Joshthefirst:
This is too far fetched an example, not to talk of the fact that the actual occurrence has never or can never be observed.

Calm down. Processes can either be in order or not in order. Every example I gave is a an orderly process. The presence of auto-immune diseases and such cannot lead us to deny order and orderly processes in our universe. Like Plaetton has said, Processes follow laws. Any processes that escapes the natural order that laws provide results in harm and chaos.


Let's get back to base. The scientific method in itself, was born as a result of our ability to recognize and realize that processes follow particular orders and laws. How can you advocate randomness and chaos as a scientist then?

Joshthefirst:
Please show where an empirical observation has been made of a supernova giving birth to a solar system then.(This in itself is still arguable).

Order is in uniform acceleration due to gravity, transcription, translation, cellular processes and regulating mechanisms, electric conductivity and molecular structure. Order screams at us from almost everywhere, while your only example is an unobservable supposedly historical hypothesis.

Please go and build up your argument and come back if you want lets talk seriously.

johnydon22:
The "DO MORE" is also found on the pages of a book written by man (mostly one named paul) and then he is using the criteria washed out by a man to show that his God demands an uphill task. .

You see? It still needs a man to lay out the criteria it requires. . What more proves it more than that?

malvisguy212:
answer this question:
Why will men invent a 'God' that set an uphill task on them on how to attain Holiness? Read other religion way of salvation, others religion say salvation is by human effort meaning I just need to do Good and ignore God grace, BUT in Christianity, it say" our holiness is as filty in God eyes" meaning we need to DO MORE. Does it look like invented God ?

malvisguy212:
with this post, now I know , you have NO idea what the bible is about.

malvisguy212:
trash!!! And the bad men will condemned there self to Hell? The Good men will tell lies? Nonsense logic

malvisguy212:
In 2 Timothy 3:16, we are told that all Scripture is inspired. The word used for inspiration is theopneustos which means “God-breathed,” implying that what was written had its origin in God Himself. In 2 Peter 1:21 we read that the writers were “carried along” by God. Thus, God used each writer, including his personality to accomplish a divinely authoritative work, for God cannot inspire error.

johnydon22:
Now this is funny because the thread itself betrays the Op....funny but the irony is epic...listen..

Op who is a [size=16]man[/size] is asserting his God is not [size=16]man[/size] made, yet he who is a [size=16]man[/size] is the one telling us about the existing non-man made God and he is quoting a book written by [size=16]man[/size] and compiled by [size=16]man[/size] in order to prove to us the God written on the pages of this book written by [size=16]man[/size] is not [size=16]man made....[/size]

can it get any funnier than that? for the fact that a man is the one telling us this speaks much about the truth in it..

only a man made God (idea) needs man to make itself known to man

Joshthefirst:
The scientific method is a great tool for examining and studying empirical evidence in our physical world. It is the very bedrock of the advancement in this modern age.

But it is also said to have birthed such contradictions as the theory of evolution and common descent and other notions that propose an origin of all that we see in the universe (including order!!!) from complete randomness...

I have a few questions (or maybe just a few things to point out) to plaetton and his evangelistic cohorts. Do you realize the scientific method and process and even the foundation o[b]f experimentation is as a result of man's belief that natural things and processes and structures have and follow a set order[/b]? If you do, how have you managed to blackmail your common sense into accepting disorder and randomness and the basis of all that exists, including your very organized self?

Please answer my questions directly and precisely.

Scholar8200:
^^^ You appear to be ignoring the point of the Op! Why will man 'invent' a God that demands holiness inwardly and outwardly? That is the question!

frank317:
So why ask her to pray since you just admitted that God does not answer prayer?
So the function of prayer is just for eveil not to occupy the mind and not for God to help anyone?
You guys bring up a new one everyday.

KingEbukasBlog:
Which is not an evidence of Jehovah ?

1. That He has always existed

2. That He works through miracles and instant healings which I alongside millions of people have experienced

3. That He is an almighty creator - we live in and are His creations etc

You need to start speaking for yourself and stop generalizing your insignificant ideas/concepts

How do you know ? Have you read all three books ?

Osisie:
You no longer just worry about which religion is false and which is true.
You now also worry if religion itself is true.

OLAADEGBU:
In other words we both have faith, either in the words of men or in the God breathed word penned down by men.

OLAADEGBU:
It is your choice to either believe the words of faulty men or the authoritative word of God.

KingEbukasBlog:
Creation ... life ... universe ... miracles ... revelations ?

Moses though not directly but from the "creation myth" you can trace his lineage .

Moses , Joshua , Luke , Matthew , John , Paul had experiences which they wrote down but because it has something to with mystical events they are seen as myths .

Trust me , the bible without God and every one even you and your crew would have embraced it without thinking twice .

You are to deduce from the bible the purpose of the universe .

KingEbukasBlog:
Because some people abuse religious practices does not mean God does not exist .

Actually it has . It can't get any better than this (lai lai )
1. God
2. An always existing universe
3. A Theory That Denies The First Cause . Eg : The Big Fraud Theory

Its your choice ... just pick one .

These "primitive men" actually had first-hand experience of this . I think the "primitive men" are actually as smart as the modern man . But it took years before that potential was FULLY harnessed or level of intelligence attained . If you go down history - pyramids of Egypt , architectural designs of buildings in Greece , Rome , Israel - you would learn that these "primitive men " surpassed the expectations of the modern man .

It would make real sense if you think about it this way . Not modern man making stupid assumptions and trying to tell stories of how these "primitive men" lived their lives . Platteon says the bible story isn't the true history of the Israelites but could he present the true story ? I'm waiting to be wowed .

It is logical to see that their experiences were passed down to descendants through different forms - writings , orals , drawings , carvings - and not the descendants trying to predict a whole culture/lifestyle of their ancestors because they picked up bones and all worth not .

Like I said earlier it does not get any better than these (plus reasons this time )

1. An always existing being - God - Creation of Intelligent , moral agents to whom He would reveal Himself to
2. A Theory that Denies the First Cause - E.g Big Fraud Theory : evidently some kind of mistake that just happened for no plausible reason .
3. Always existing universe - (No Beginning , No End ) : No purpose at all . "Dinner has been and will always be on the table , come eat and leave ."

KingEbukasBlog:
You offer no explanations to anything and you reason poorly . you don't agree with science's explanation for the genesis of life neither do you agree with any religious view on the genesis of life . offer your own explanation now , you don't have any .

Religion says an always existing being is responsible , you described it as illogical . Science offered the BBT , you don't agree .

If you don't have any opinion on this simply stop subjecting any view to derision . It's actually that simple .

KingEbukasBlog:
You really need a good book or lecture on the concept of God and Religion . You have issues ... serious issues . Its like you are really trying so hard to assure yourself that there is no God .

God and Religion ... research on these two

Cheers !

Keepshining:
Always read your Bible you will understand better.Its beyound human reasoning.

malvisguy212:
the God in the bible is different from others God around the world,most religions described a 'god' who live within this universe ONLY Christianity talk about a God who is
transcendent to both space and time.

if men should invented the God in the bible, this invention will not contradicte their nature, but in the bible we see a 'God' who will punished His children for disobedient. The God of the Bible is
described as holy , without sin and
without the ability to commit sin. The
holiness of God is described as being
above anything that HUMAN CAN ATTAIN, such that no human can stand before Him as holy. Behaving more morally upright than most other people is not sufficient to escape the punishment of the God of the Bible.

In nearly all religions, salvation is attained through human effort. Only in Christianity does salvation come solely as a GIFT FROM GOD, IT CANNOT BE EARNED THROUGH HUMAN EFFORT . Clearly, in doctrines such as the nature of God and the way of salvation, there is very little common ground between Christianity and the religions of the world. So men will not invent a God that set daunting task of their nature.

Job 9:11
When He passes me I cannot see
Him. When He goes by, I cannot
perceive Him
Job 37:23
The Almighty is beyond our reach
Acts 17:29
"Being then the children of God, we
ought NOT TO THINK that the Divine
Nature is like gold or silver or stone,
an image formed by the art and
THOUGHT OF MAN ."

Paul explained it better, and were did he get this idea from? in Leviticus:

Leviticus 26:1
'You shall not make for yourselves
idols, nor shall you set up for
yourselves an IMAGE or a sacred
pillar, nor shall you place a figured
stone in your land to bow down to it;
for I am the LORD your God.

KingEbukasBlog:
What's with you and the Hindu god . You claim to be an atheist and you are comparing religions and gods . They dont exist and you are comparing them ? Isn't that madness ?

I told you am a Christian ... lets talk of Christianity and the Supreme Being . Or how life came from the non - living and evolved to become a highly intelligent being and how science has helped us explain and understand that . Or the Big Bang that denies the first cause but its seen as a plausible theory . Which one do you want us to discuss about ? 1 , 2 or 3 ?

Can you explain the purpose of the existence of the universe ?

Religion is man made obviously . What's the whining about ?

You still cannot differentiate between religion and the concept of God

You believe in Science right ? I gave you a fine piece of that .

Deep Impact ? That movie was crazzzyyyyy . But since when did you become a movie critic ?

How old are you ? You believe the non sense you read online though . A thinking Christian in my 300 Level has related the sound of the trumpet on the day of rapture to the sound produced by a kind of excessive rapid movement of plasma waves in Earth's radiation belts . This could make a really loud sound . I pity people who see things in the bible ordinarily or literally .

@bold - Lemme rephrase my question . Why did the universe start to exist ? Why does anything have to exist ?

You dont believe in Religion or their gods ... why do you care to know so much about them ? Is your heart troubled ? Awwww

A movie has no purpose it depends on what actors and actresses decide to make something out of meeting each other on screen - makes perfect sense to me !

I'm confused which omni ? The spaghetti monster or the sky daddy ? You got me ! It has to be the spaghetti monster

Why would a teacher who wants a student to pass his exams not write the papers instead for him ?

Dude ... if you want to talk to God so badly why dont you just follow the right way and sort yourself . You will hear him yourself . There are christian books that help you understand these little things . Before you graduate from the university you must have completed the required number of sessions or ..... walking into the VC's office just like that -no appointment ... nothing - everything has a way its done . Follow due process

God speaks through many ways - dreams , prayer , miracles , healings , revelations . Its up to you !

KingEbukasBlog:
Do you understand English at all ?

KingEbukasBlog:
You asked for the evidence of God . Comparing God with the Hindu God Brahma is a digression which I noticed . You dont play me , I play you

According to the atheist , life popped out for not just reason . And sorry I'm a christian . You can forward that argument to the muslims

Actually scientists - your mind/ intelligence controllers - have suggested/proposed that life on earth is being controlled by some sort of higher civilization . So you were saying ? ...

Again ... actually scientists -your mind/ intelligence controllers - claim that obliteration of mankind could come from

1. AI Uprising leading to the destruction of human race
2. Global warming
3. Asteroid hitting the earth
4. Alien Invasion etc

The paint this delusion with science jargon just to give human's the impression of the non-existence of God . You could pick one tho

Sorry I thought you knew the purpose of life . What's the purpose of life ?

Oh .. He is speaking but you are just not paying attention

Your life is one of the numerous evidences of His existence

He is not relying on me and He could speak through anyone if He wishes

KingEbukasBlog:
How does this prove am a myth believer ? I was expecting you to show me where in the bible and how believing in the reality of the existence of a supreme being/creator is some kind of mythology . This guy , Im a christian - stick to that and lets play . So is it my turn or should you try again ? You have one more life left though , use it wisely .

KingEbukasBlog:
I can prove you are a shallow thinker with common sense and the bible but can you prove that am a myth believer with just common sense ?

Are you in or out ?

KingEbukasBlog:
The genesis of life

The purpose of life

The challenges in life

The continuation of life
etc

You are in a bleeping game/story man . You are like a character/actor . Its more like a plan and you have a part to play . See life as it is from the outside and maybe you might understand . The game developers/directors know the beginning and end to a game/story's plot but they still go ahead to do it because they have a purpose .

Understand the purpose of life before you run your mouth in ignorance

KingEbukasBlog:
Confirmed . The Atheists are shallow thinkers .

KingEbukasBlog:
Life

KingEbukasBlog:
Your opinion about religion - its you business what you think about God/gods. Now it becomes delusion when it has been proven to be untrue and yet you are obdurate about it

I guess your comment was a loud thought

KingEbukasBlog:
My initial statement was : Im expecting more advanced and intellectual/healthy dose of skepticism as regards to

Let me explain because its obvious you didnt understand .

If you think there is such thing as the "Evolution of God " as I explained , do you have cogent reasons to back up this proposition ? Cogent reasons - bible quotations , explanations etc .If you think its not true , provide your rebuttals . Simple !!

Don't drag me into any shitty arguments .