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Butterflyleo:
You were asked a question and instead of answering it you dodge it and ask a red herring instead. Na wa o

I've asked him like 3 different questions and he ran away from all of them. Why should I take him seriously when he refused to answer my questions repeatedly? Stop being dishonest even though I know you can't.

hopefulLandlord:
Lmao! I wonder why Christians are still putting their nose on the grindstone just like the heathens when all they have to do is speak money into their hands and foods into their stomachs, maybe speak babies into existence rather than go through the laborious sex and 9 moths discomfort punctuated by excruciating labour or speak healthy teeth into their mouth instead of going to the dentist or speak Leah Sheribu out of captivity

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winner01:
Guy, I never mentioned Yahweh on this thread, neither did I say that God created humans.

I'm simply asking, what is the evidential history of humans?

Is this too difficult to understand?

Do you believe that Yahweh created humans or not? Are you trying to throw him under the bus?

budaatum:
True. I'm working on a million pounds in my bank account. I just utter the words and, voila.

. Perfect response. He doesn't know how idiotic he sounds.

RuthlessLeader:
How does mao zedong concern me? is this how you argue? when all else fails call mao zedong`s name?
Did you know that hitler loved dogs? does that mean that all dog lovers are nazis?
Your friend loser0/100 winner 01 said i should be a freethinker, yet you and he quote bible verses and curse people instead of bringing convincing evidence for your murderer of a god. A god who create a whole 13.7 billion light year universe with one hundred billion galaxies each galaxy having billions of stars yet decided that the best course of action when dealing with adam and eve was to curse them and their innocent descendants. A god who wants all people to worship him, yet appears to only a group of nomads in the desert, orders them to kill anyone in the area instead of creating a new one or even appearing to the chinese who had record keeping then and would have recorded such a fantastic event.
In essence you and winner loser are the real children over here, with your poor reasoning and hypocrisy.

They believe they are special because they were indoctrinated and made to accept ancient Jewish mythology and fiction.

winner01:
lol. Simple question. What evidential facts do you have for the existence of humans?

Your dishonesty is hurting you. Where is your evidence that Yahweh created humans?

Butterflyleo:
If God did not make contact with humans then humans wouldn't be UNIVERSALLY talking about God regardless of the many variants.

Which God made contact with the ancient Mayan? Can you tell us it's name? The one that made contact with the ancient Indians and Chinese nko? What about the people that made contact with yoit village ancestors 1000 years ago?

Gods are human inventions that is why there are so many different versions of them each created by men for many different reasons.

Infact humans started by worshipping agents of nature like the sun, the moon , mountains, rivers etc. Some even worshipped humans, may God men abound throughout history. The God idea kept evolving till hums decided to invent invisible beings. Even the invisible beings are of different types. While some invented the poly invisible beings others invented the mono invisible beings. Your claim remains false.

winner01:
Evidentially, humans "appeared" on earth, fully formed and this is why we do not see innumerable transitional forms of evolving humans as postulated by Darwin.

In the 19th century, Charles Darwin himself struggled with the the fact that the fossil record failed to support his conclusions and he wrote the following
“Why,” he asked, “if species have descended from other species by fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? Why do we not find them imbedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth?”
“The number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed, [must] be truly enormous,” he wrote. “Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against the theory”



To buttresses the fact that humans appeared fully formed, the late Harvard University paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould is perhaps today’s best-known popular writer on evolution. An ardent evolutionist, he collaborated with Professor Eldredge in proposing alternatives to the traditional view of Darwinism. Like Eldredge, he recognized that the fossil record fundamentally conflicted with Darwin’s idea of gradualism.
“The history of most fossil species,” he wrote, “includes two features particularly inconsistent with gradualism [gradual evolution from one species to another]:
“1. Stasis. Most species exhibit no directional [evolutionary] change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking pretty much the same as when they disappear; morphological [anatomical or structural] change is usually limited and directionless.
“2. Sudden appearance. In any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors: it appears all at once and ‘fully formed’”



If you have evidence of innumerable transitional fossils of humans, take the word "innumerable" seriously, not one LUCY, or two Homo habilis, or three pieces of extinct Australopithecus africanus, constructed by otherwise scientists, in furthering their cause.
Direct me to the innumerable transitional fossils. Of you can't, it means you agree that humans appeared once and fully formed. And this means you are proposing that a super-complex machine like the human is capable of appearing from thin air.

I am not an evolutionists, so direct your nonsense somewhere else pls.

Do you have evidence to show me that humans were created by Yahweh? Where is it? I don't want your empty lies and useless assumptions.

winner01:
Budaatum, dalaman, hopefulLandlord and co. Why don't you get the whole point even after its been beautifully simplified like this

What caused or created human beings? How can we know that your answer is objectively true and not based on lies or empty assumptions?

Image123:
Oh yeah that's why true believers meet every Sunday and more on others days of the week to understand what Jesus said and receive revelation. You would help yourself to be like them and have a chance at understanding and save a perishing soul.

To understand or reinterpretate what was written ? Despite all these meetings how many have solved the tithing problems that is causing confusion amines Christians? How have these meetings solved the problem of speaking in tongues and many other doctrinal and other misunderstanding that hashe plagues Christianity today? Ogbeni you have no faith that is why you are trying to reinvent what was stated.

winner01:
the oceans are effects of a cause.

What created the oceans? Answer with evidence and not empty assumptions.

hopefulLandlord:
They're conflating theological claims with scientific ones. I'll take their claims serious when they create Honda cars with spoken words

They keep throwing ridiculous mythology around and expect to be taken seriously.

They shut down their brains and accept ancient and primitive magical explanations but claim to use their brains when scientist try to theorize or give hypothesis on how they feel things came to be.

They should use spoken words and mould a clay man let's see. Yeye dey smell.

Butterflyleo:
This is how scientists claim oceans came about



If you are a true deep thinker you would clearly see the holes in the above quote. But would you be honest enough to declare them is another issue.

"Water remained a gas until the earth cooled" where was this gas contained in such magnitudes without clouds? So these massive gases stuck around until the earth which is a circumference size of 39,931 km cooled down and then the gases condensed and came down as rain. I wonder why they did not condense before the earth cooled down and rather waited until the earth cooled down.



------------- Butterflyleo May 14, 2018 ©

You can use your "deep thoughts" to critically analyze what scientist say about how the oceans came about but you can not use the same "deep thoughts " to analyze ancient mythology and fiction that says some imagined entity spoke the oceans into existence abi? How did your God speak the oceans into existence? When did the Hebrew language turn to a creative force? How does language create things? You believe in ridiculous ancient magic but claim to be a "deep thinker", when it is ancient unknown Hebrew men that believe in riduculous magic that have finished thinking for you

Butterflyleo:
There is no creation without a creator. Its that simple. Be it by spoken word or as a by product of something else. There is nothing that was caused to exist by something else that isn't a creation of that thing. Its simple law of cause and effect.

Be it rocks which are formed through a process, the creator are those which came together during the process to form the rocks or an ocean or oceans and seas which scientists speculate were once in gaseous state and then when the earth cooled it turned to rain and filled the places where they are as oceans and seas. That must have been one hell of a downpour to have caused such massive bodies of water which somehow also got buried deep down in the earth and saturated it because the inside of the earth is also filled with water.

There is no creation without a creator. Even the by products of this creation still points at a creator which made or formed them. Nothing on this earth exists on its own.

The oceans points to which creator? Can you point to the creator of the ocean? Remember you said people should always proof their assertions. Point to the creator of the oceans.

Where is your proof that words create anything? How do words create things? What are we to do with this mythical and fictitious LIE you are throwing around? A LIE imagined and invented by ancient people which you are here confidently regurgitating like a drone. You should stop throwing mythology around and expect to be taken seriously. So Yahweh's words created the oceans and things abi? Why not his ejaculation. You guys are not serious.

hopefulLandlord:
It appears you're agreeing with me cuz my post implies there's no difference between the condemnation that awaits blasphemers like us and the sister that committed fornication just once and didn't repent before dying or Anne Frank for simply being a Jew according to your religion

My first post was asking you why you're presenting it as though there are different levels of condemnation based on the type of sin one commits against your imaginary friend.

You get time see. Just show her why she is such a ridiculous and deluded sadistic terrorist wanna be.

This deluded Anas09 feels she'll go to heaven with all her lies, deceit and terrible behavior while others will go to hell just because she accepts a mythology that told her that A Jewish hippie sacrificed himself into himself so that she can live forever in some fictional place made up of golden streets when she dies.

CAPSLOCKED:

PRAYING TO JESUS AND PRAYING TO A STALE BREAD BRINGS THE SAME RESULTS.

LIKEWISE NOT PRAYING AT ALL. THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE PRAYING & BELIEVING IS VERY UNIMPORTANT.

YOU CAN'T TELL ME BEING A CHRISTIAN GUARANTEES A BETTER LIFE THAN THE REST. THAT'S WHY THE PREACHERS CHAIN BELIEVERS DOWN WITH THE CONCEPT OF AN IMAGINARY AFTERLIFE AND PERMANENT MERRIMENT.

PREACHERS URGE BELIEVERS NOT TO BOTHER TOO MUCH ABOUT THEIR CURRENT SITUATION, THAT GOD HAS A PLAN.. AND THAT THINGS WILL GET BETTER.
IF IT GETS BETTER FOR BELIEVERS THEY BELIEVE GOD'S PLAN HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED. IF IT NEVER GETS BETTER TILL THEY DIE THEY BELIEVE GOD'S PLAN FOR THEM IS IN HEAVEN.... THEN I WONDER THE CRITERIA FOR GETTING GODS BLESSINGS NOW INSTEAD OF WHEN I'M DEAD.... WHY TRUE BELIEVERS HAVE TO SUFFER AND DIE IN POVERTY WHILE UNBELIEVERS WHO WORK HARD AND SMART ENOUGH (WITH ALL THE AVAILABLE RESOURCES) SUCCEED.
IF BOTH POVERTY & WEALTH ARE BOTH GODS PLAN, LIKEWISE SICKNESS & HEALTH.... WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS TO BE BORN INTO THE ROYAL FAMILY AND NOT CHAD WHERE THERE'S JUST 1 (UNPROFESSIONAL) DOCTOR FOR EVERY 1,000 PATIENT, A COUNTRY WHERE NOBODY IS EXPECTED TO LIVE BEYOND 49 YEARS?


I REMEMBER HOW ONE OF THESE CONMEN TOLD HIS CONGREGATION THAT THEY SHOULD FORGET ABOUT THE MONEY, THAT DANGOTE WON'T MAKE HEAVEN BECAUSE HE DOESN'T TITHE.


PRAY ALL YOU WANT, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO TAKE DRUGS FOR THAT SICKNESS. YOU HAVE TO TAKE EXAMS TO BE PROMOTED AND YOU HAVE TO WORK TO GET PAID. PRAY ALL YOU WANT.. IF THE DRIVER DOESN'T GO SAFELY YOU GONNA DIE IN THE CAR CRASH. PRAY ALL YOU WANT MATE YOU CANNOT GET A NAIL TO MOVE NOT TO TALK OF A MOUNTAIN.
IF THE DOCTORS DON'T FIX A DAMAGED LIMB, NO AMOUNT OF PRAYERS CAN FIX IT... OR FIX SICKLE CELL.


THE PREACHERS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR SOUL OR SALVATION... THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT GOD OR HEAVEN, OR THE AFTERLIFE. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT.

THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT ONE THING; CREDIT ALERTS.

A million likes.

budaatum:
I too have not seen a Honda Accord created. But I can find out if it was, how it was, where it was, and who created it, easily. I can, if I am so concerned, even go watch a Honda Accord created by a creator, from scratch.

There does not seem to exist, the evidence for the creator you mention though, or that everything that exists was created.

He should tell us when he saw the oceans been created.

winner01:
Are goosebumps anyone's creations?

From ice crystals to goosebumps? . Ogbeni are ice crystals the creators of snow?

winner01:
resultant effects of coalitions of ice crystals.

Ogbeni are ice crystals the creators of snow? Yes or no?

winner01:
created Ice crystals create what we know as snow

Ice crystals created snow abi?

winner01:
Never heard of this one before, so I went online. I didn't have to go far. Its like saying snow has no creator.

Show me the creator of snow.

winner01:
You talk too much, simple question, have you seen any creation without a creator?

Yes.

Otem.

winner01:
Have you seen any creation without a Creator?

Obgeni, show me the creator of the earth and when exactly did you see him/ her or it since you said every creation you've seen has a creator.

winner01:
Every creation I've seen has a Creator, its just common sense.

Show me the creator of the earth and when did you see him? It is not common sense, it's common assumption.

winner01:
God is the Creator of creation.

Your baseless assumption that lacks an iota of evidence.

sKeetz:
their belief is centered on hell fire; without hellfire, their God disappears into oblivion.

Seriously.

sKeetz:
Lol

His God omni-insecure. He needs human validation and attention else he cease to exist.

His God is a creation of ancient men and their insecurities.

sKeetz:
The way you describe this hell fire makes one wonder if it's at your backyard.

His God is fear. He wants people to worship a God he says will burn people in fire for all eternity because they refuse to love him back and obey him. See how sadistic he is.

frank317:
Lol.. they never lose...

A christian fall sick and pray, then got heal... God becomes the greated physician

A christian falls sick prays his life out but dies... the Christian becomes a fool who should have known thay God, the greatest physician, had given doctors the brain to heal him...

I just tire

Always a win win situation for them so that mythical beliefs can continue.

frank317:
Lol... christians when preaching will tell u how ur life will be perfect with Jesus. They share tracks that only talks about how jesus saved a man from the hands of armed robbers, how they won a contract after doing the will of God, how life has been sweet since they accepted Jesus as their personal lord and saviour... but when atheists ask simple question or raise issues like the one the op raised u see their likes (butterflylion and co) being on the defensive and shamelessly pointing it out to u that the all loving, all mighty perfect Jesus never promised life will be a bed of roses... how do these guys not know they are nothing but a pile of joke

That's why I keep saying that they are not true believers. I've seen them berate and criticize fellow Christians that showed true belief and faith. Example of the lady that refused to take her daughter to the hospital but truly relied on prayers believing that Jesus will fulfill his word but the daughter died . Christians like image, davidylan and Co all said she lacked wisdom for relying on Jesus. Butterflyloe on the other thread equated it to hate speech when told to do as the bible said. .

Very funny and deluded people they are.

musicwriter:
That person called vax is the type of religions zealots that would blast themselves with bomb in the name of God. He is simply here to defend Christianity, but he is in the wrong thread.

I really don't know what he's on about.