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hopefulLandlord:
You can know their god exists by pretending to know their god exists, aka faith; that's how its done you foolish atheist, hell awaits you

I can know their God exist by pretending to accept ancient mythical and fictional stories written by ancient Hebrews. Check mate atheist.

butterflyl1on:
Yes there is no evidence FOR YOU. After all your atheist colleagues here namely hopefullandlord and budaatum have openly declared that sensory perception aka sensory EVIDENCE is not needed to prove the existence of something WHICH ALREADY EXISTED AND WE WERE IGNORANT OF SUCH AN EXISTENCE.

Don't carry your mental illness and come close to me with your ridiculous drivel because I'll always use you to mop the floor. What ever the two of them say remains their own opinion. Am not a religionists robot like you that have to dwell and accept the ridiculous mythology, fiction and folklore of ancient people and defend it always because you were indoctrinated with it. To me evidence MUST be provided to establish the existence of anything. That is my position so deal with it and stop being happy to display that you suffering from a mental illness.

I can then boldly declare that God exists and it's only atheists who are ignorant of his existence but even at that, budaatum declared for you dalaman that the objective stands in its own right and has nothing to do with the eye of the beholder.

Budaatum did NOT declare anything for me. When did he tell you that? I know the need for you to always tell lies to make you feel good. I am not like you that the ancient people think reason and do everything for. The ancients think for you and you follow their ideas, thoughts and imaginations like a senseless robot. Very soon you'll start quoting from their book (bible) while claiming it is the word of some divine being. Unlike you nobody can reason for me when it cos to the issue of God or religion but in your case all you have are the thoughts and ideas of others.

You are the beholder so for you THE OBJECTIVE STANDS ON ITS OWN RIGHT AND HAS NOTHINF TO DO WITH YOUR PERCEPTION OR LACK OF.

Na you and budaatum your fellow atheist get quarrel and not you and any theist here.

Again their opinions remain theirs. I don't have to support and cling unto it the way you do that of the ancients that created your religion. What ever fictional and mythological narrative they throw, you'll be there clinging onto it like a foolish akuya.

butterflyl1on:
Now you are attempting to throw red herrings around so as to sway our focus

All you just typed above does not alter your strong position and comments earlier that one does not need sensory perception before we know something exists and your comments here further buttress your point which unfortunately for you AN ATHEIST was a validation for God and a ridiculing of yourself and your constant demands for objective evidence for him while declaring that one does not need such objective evidence before something would exist. After all malaria parasite was existing before man knew about it (according to you)

So can God not also exist without man not also first knowing about his existence?

Ogbeni, does your God exist and does it want people to know it exist? How did you get to know that your God exist? How can anybody know that your God exist?

So what if atheism is a religion? It is the religion of reality. Just check it out, isn't it a remarkable coincidence as human knowledge and understanding of reality increased, miracles and supernatural events declined at an exponential rate? Why did God show his "miracles" only to people living in societies beset by myth and superstition and lack of knowledge of
Many things thousands of years ago? Why did he take early retirement and stop sendubg messengers or sending himself? Why does no one take a man seriously in advanced societies (except backwatd shit holes)if he claims to speak on behalf of any God today? Why does no on take a man seriously who claims to fly on a winged beast to meet God today or claim he is God or his son? What does this tell us? If athiesm is a religion, then it is the religion of reality not like the ridiculous childish mythological construct of the ancients that we have around.

hopefulLandlord:
You mean there's no evidence?

"The universe began to exist" (Vilenken weeps) therefore god exists

"Objective morality" therefore god does care how we live our lives, therefore god exists

"The human body is designed by a designer that needs no designer" therefore god exists

"If you can imagine god, it exists" aka Ontological proof

"I was in an accident, 1 billion people died but I survived" therefore god exists

"There's this book I have, written by ignorant goatherders who thought the sun moves round the earth under the influence of some powerful holy spirit, this book said god exists" therefore god exists

"That book also said god has revealed himself to everybody" therefore god exists

aren't these proof enough stop fighting god

Checkmate athiest.

ScepticalPyrrho:
I want to offer a quick solution to this prolonged arguments...

The next person to comment should prove that God exists with verifiable evidence(s).

Pls, note that your response will be good for the whole of humanity, not just nairalanders

It is as simple as that.

They have no evidence to provide only empty and delusional words. If God exists there won't be arguments for its existence. There will be evidence.

Martinez19:
Light coming out from the vagina of prophet Muhammad's mother at the time of prophet Muhammad's birth.

Savage comedy I swear!

In Vol. 7, Bk. 71, No. 591 we are told “that
she (Aisha) heard the Prophet saying,
‘This black cumin is healing for all
diseases except As-Sam.’ Aisha said,
‘what is As-Sam?’ He said
‘death.’”

We must ask, can it cure cancer, Aids, or
even the common cold, if it is healing for
all diseases? What do we do with this
medicinal error and how does it reflect on
Muhammad’s prophethood?

urahara:
The hadith and the Quran contain extremely childish stories.

Especially the hadith.

"REFLECTION...

Buhari said he does not know anything called subsidy. You clapped.
He later paid subsidy. You clapped again.

He said he would never devalue the Naira. You clapped.
He devalued the Naira. You clapped.

He said he will make N1 equals to $1. You clapped.
$1 is officially equal N360. You are still clapping.

He said he will make petrol price to N40, you clapped,
Now petrol price is N145, you clapped and do protest in support.

He said he would turn all presidential Jets to national carrier. You clapped.
Today, he and his family are cruising on all presidential Jets. You are clapping.

He said he would build one new Refinery each year. You clapped.
Its getting to four years, no Refinery has been built. You are still clapping.

When he cancelled Military road blocks, you clapped.
When he asked them to go back, you clapped.

When PMB promise to end Medical tourism, you clapped.
When he spent months in the UK hospital and allowed local doctors on strike, you clapped.

Fulani herdsmen are killing people and forcefully colonizing their territories, you're still clapping.

And as I am typing now, some are still clapping at the fuel station.

Haba jama'a, how long shall we perish because of ethnic and religious sentiments?

God bless Nigeria"

- Abubakar

They earn the same salary on the same level.or rank. It's only their allowances that differ.

kkins25:
This is why i love islam.. Savage comedy.

Some islamic stories are truly hilarious. From talking ants to Gog and Magog etc.

“Narrated (Abu Huraira): The prophet
said, ‘The (people of) Bani Israel used to
take bath naked (all together) looking at
each other. Prophet Musa (Moses) used to
take bath alone. They said, ‘By Allah!
Nothing prevents Musa (Moses) from
taking a bath with us except that he has a
scrotal Hernia.’ So once Musa (Moses)
went out to take a bath and put his clothes
over a stone and then that stone ran away
with his clothes. Musa (Moses) followed
that stone saying, ‘My clothes, O stone!
My clothes, O stone!’ till the people of
Bani Israel saw him and said, ‘By Allah,
Musa (Moses) has got no defect in his
body.’ Musa (Moses) took his clothes and
began to beat the stone.’ Abu Huraira
added, ‘By Allah! There are still six or
seven marks present on the stone from
that excessive beating.’” Vol. 1, Bk. 5,
No. 277

Some people believe and revere this ridiculous nonsense because it is from some religious source. .

Anybody that believes such nonsense deserves to be mocked not respected.

NPComplete:
All this just sounds like a chicken clucking.

Another useless set of excuses. No one is getting anyone arrested for having juju. And what kind of useless shaman cant dissapear with his ignorant advocate as soon as the police arrives? I am just laughing at how silly your excuse is. Kai! Mumu full this world.

Secondly, I can't get any other guys to follow me. You are hoping on the impossibility of me organising enough guys to come along with me due to scheduling conflicts. As a matter of fact, I am not interested in getting any other guys to follow me. I am not doing this with a crew. I don't need them. I just want you and your useless shaman in a fair and neutral ground. You can come with as many shamans as you want.

Don't chicken out dude. You are beginning to look like another empty boastful disappointment. Like I said, I am not an atheist so all that you said about insulting God and the accompanying threats is just another load of horseshit you are hiding behind and it has only doubled my resolve more. Stupid nonsense.

Cluck cluck. I am hearing a chicken clucking. I am daring you and you are playing chicken.

Imagine. A juju man with all the acclaimed powers is afraid of police and mob. These guys are crazy .

Deicide:
I was arguing with one of my friends that the amount of Illiterate we have in Nigeria is very High, Most people with certificate be it a Degree, Masters or even Ph.D. are Illiterates Certificate na just paper if you can't use logic! maybe the govt should add Logical Reasoning to one of the compulsory subjects in our Educational system.

Many Nigerians and Africans with degrees and advanced degrees still reason like their illetrates brothers and sisters that live in remote villages. That is why we can't solve most of our problems as a people. Even university lecturers hold unto silly and pet superstitious beliefs everywhere you go.

A university lecturer friend of mine was telling about his ridiculous bullet proof juju belief. I asked him to do a research on it, publish a book on its effectiveness and make money from it instead of just talking about it alone because it's empty. He should conduct a research on it and make money from it.

1Sharon:
Naijadeyhia account was last seen on January 1st this year

https://www.nairaland.com/naijadeyhia

Otematum

1Sharon:
Link pls

Dubious ppl everywhere

Otem is here, he'll provide the link. Just waiting for butterflyl1on to deny the claim as he said now that he's here.

OtemAtum:
You have already said what happened. Let him come and tell me that it didn't happen.

Butterflyl1on come oo.

OtemAtum:
You are a prophet at the bolded. something kept on telling me to check into nairaland after leaving it for a while, then I saw this. The thief who lost his reputation through the 4evergod moniker thought that he could gain it back through this butterfly moniker, but alas...
A thief will always be a thief until he is caught in the act. Let's kip watching him from the high places (In Falz' voice)
@Butterfly, ride on Sah, we are still watching you from the high places.

He is said you should give him evidence . Abeg explain what happened and shut him up.

johnydon22:
I really doubt those are dibias. Anybody can set up a shrine to what ever spiritual stuff they want to claim. But being a dibia is more than just claiming it or setting up a shrine.

That someone has a shrine set up with red clothes doesn't necessarily mean such a person practice the traditional religion or is a dibia.

There are some important questions like:

What Alusi is the shrine dedicated to?
On whose authority was his/her dibia status confirmed or conferred.


Dibias don't have those Nollywood gittup, nope not at all. That is just a representation of a generation marred by Ignorance and Abrahamic bigotry bent on painting the African traditional values black

Roger.

johnydon22:
You watch a lot of Nollywood brother



Then you haven't met those who practise Odinani .. Probably drew your judgement from hear say and Nollywood hoolla balloo

. I haven't met much people that practice ATR . The few ones ive met display the Nollywood outlook.

sonofluc1fer:
This especially. And then also, a lot of scammers/fakes esp those on fb..even one or two or NL.

All of them are scammers. Traditional African religion is associated with evil everywhere. If you want to harm another person them you go to the ATR priest to do that, you want to make money, same thing, you want to dominate others, same thing. ATR is ONLY associated with magic and nothing else. The priest have oversized powers accorded to them by members of the public and they always abuse it.

People don't practice ATR for personal upliftment only for one evil or selfish aim or the other.

Martinez19:
Hypocrisy and stupidity are two of the things keeping faith alive.

These two things are what makes up faith. Even muslims always cry of persecution. Go close to the muslims, the are ALWAYS crying that they are being persecuted. Religionists love dishing out thrash but give them a test of their own medicine and watch them cry and beat their chest that they are being persecuted for their various religions.

This persecution complex makes them feel they are doing something worthwhile.

African traditional religions need to be reformed, but unfortunately it has few adherents that are contemporary and educated. Most priest are illiterates that reside in remote villages.

This thread is hilarious.

kevoh:
Islam is the fastest growing religion they will come and tell you when a Christian converts to Islam but hide their heads, take you to a mental assylum, send law enforcement after you or even behead you when one tries to leave Islam for another belief.

Islam is a very dangerous religion.

butterflyl1on:
author=dalaman post=64182013]



So you are an agbero and an area boy shame no catch you to even say you come here to fight. Can you read what you wrote again and laugh at yourself? You come here to fight people who subscribe to this imaginary God idea. Is the imagination your imagination? How are you sure that you are not the one imagining that God does not exist? Do you not know that there are 2 sides to every coin? You well so?

Sure, am not a liar like you. I state it as it is. Is it only abgeros and area boys that fight? You remain a village idiot. I argue, fight and debate people here that subscribe to the God idea like your idiotic self. We've insulted and called each other names many many times. Does that make you an abgero? You are foolish and reason like a dons.

Your God remains a man made imaginary idea, that exist only in people's imagination. If you disagree then show me how yiur God exist in reality by telling it to do just one thing on its own.

.

The only one I see throwing tirades over a God you say does not exist has been you.

When will you allow your God to do anything on it's own na? You said you'll keep throwing tirades at people for insulting your God remember?

.

[s]If you were smart you would note that as the FALSELY accused I am the one demanding for evidence and note also that the accuser should not and would not hesitate to show this evidence if it was true. Let's see who can back up their words with proof shall we?[/s]




Of course you would believe a lie without supporting evidence but would ask for evidence for the truth

It shows how upside down you reason.

Shut up! Otematum will come and expose you.

superhumanist:
He will soon expose himself

He has already done that.

Can't you see the way he argues like a scammer. .

He'll just create it own straw man and start beating it. Or make his own arguments and start running commentary on it.

butterflyl1on:
Dalaman You and that guy must be mad and seriously must enjoy telling lies and believing your lies.

So now you suddenly believe every story you hear without asking for evidence simply because it is a fallacious story of somebody who always exposes your yansh during your numerous irrational arguments ba?

If I owned a factory that produces pig feed why would I be looking for a supplier and say that my former supplier was not having on stock at the moment in the advert I put up?
Why would I say I needed and then change it that I no longer needed and did not take down the advert and it is still up on nairaland? Do you even think at all or is your brain leaking as usual?

Why not ask him to show you his communication with me and him and when I replied him with a number or even when I said I owned a factory that makes pig feed.

It's obvious you fraternise with liars and they make good company to you.

Shut up!

OtemAtum your attention is needed here. Your man is denying your encounter. I remember on the other thread when I asked you what happened, you openly challenged him to deny it and he refused. Now he's here denying it. Come oo. Here he is.

superhumanist:
See dodging! I'm sure that you are a scammer with this your deceptive replies.

Butterflyl1on is a scammer . OtemAtum openly accused him of lying about trying to buy pig feeds. He said butterflyl1on placed an advert that he wanted to buy pig feed, he (Otematum) contacted him and butterflyl1on then quickly changed the story from and quickly claimed he's a not really interested in buying pig feeds, he claimed that he actuakly sells pig feeds and has a factory in Ogun state that makes pig feeds. Otematum said he then called him using the number he dropped and told him he was coming to visit his production site in Ogun state, since then the number stopped going through after butterflyl1on suspected he's someone he knows. He insisted that butterflyl1on is 4everGod. and I completely believe otematum.

The leopard can never hide or change it's spots.

CandidSeeker:
I'm of the opinion that some parts of the scriptures were manipulated for the political and economic gains of the Europeans.

Especially the gospels & epistles.

The Romans (Europeans ) brought the gospels and epistles to the world.