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KingEbukasBlog:
Can you provide evidence to prove those claims you just made or don't you understand English again

Didn't you read the Wikipedia entry I provided?

KingEbukasBlog:
So where is the evidence to support those claims ? At least we have evidence : The correlation of the story of Yeshua in the Babylonian Talmud with the story of Jesus in the bible . So where is your evidence ?

Can't you read? The Talmud mentions two Yeshu as
1. Yeshua ben Pandera
2. Yeshua the Pharisee

They two are NOT the Jesus of the bible.

There is little correlation in the stories. One of them was killed before Jesus of the bible was born and the other after he died.

As for the evidence you sent about external sources, they are NOT good evidence, just poor evidence. We an examine them and I'll show you why the are poor evidence.

abeeee:
you would have understood certain things if you had only a little enlightenment................

Stop this empty talk. Your evidence that people reincarnate is what?

frank317 am loving your contributions.

When will this shameless lair stop telling lies na?

butterflyl1on:
And you are always spewing stupidity in caps.

How do Christians believe in Karma when the laws of cause and effect can NEVER be altered.

Before that law of cause and effect was defined by science the Bible documented the law of seed time and harvest aka sowing and reaping.

Shut up! Even the bible lied that there shall be no peace for the wicked.

It goes on to say that:

The fear of the LORD prolongs life, But the years of the wicked will be shortened.Proverbs 10:27(Another lie ).

Sowing and reaping is Karma and it doesn't work in the real world. Many people sow good deeds and reap evil while many other sow evil deeds and reap good rewards.

However we are also taught not to pay evil for evil but to pay back with good even when evil is metted out to us. So your so called law of karma which is that you would always get paid evil for evil does not work for us as Christians but it works for the people of the world. What we know is to love when we are hated, bless and not curse even when we are cursed, render good and not evil even when rendered evil to.

Stop parroting nonsense you idiot. How many times do you pay back evil with good, you shameless liar. How many times have you blessed those that insult and curse you here? You even get angry and throw tirades at people that mock your God a different entity from you that allegedly exist and can do everything for itself. You guys always talk and say things that are impossible even for yourselves. How many christians render evil with good? Look at the world around you and show me shameless lair. Your beliefs and everything about it begins and ends with baseless claims. The reality is totally different. You guys are always insulting your fellow christians over doctrinal diffrences, talk more of paying love to those that hate you. You are a liar, you all pray for your ememies to die or evil to befall them. You fight them back when ever they fight you, you never do what the bible says because you know it's foolish and impossible. Your actions here on nairaland says that you are a shameless liar.

Would you like me to show you the scriptural backing to all these Mr stupidity in caps?

You can throw scriptures around like a headless akuya, but your actions always speak louder than your empty words. Tell me when you ever blessed any atheist that cursed you or mock you imaginary God.

OP and his endless delusions and craziness.

Niflheim:
@Dalaman,


I am so sorry about your friend's wife.

Thanks.

The banana man Ray Comfort being spat at. .

prahcetomi:
"Only a fool says there is no God"

A fool says the mythical and fictional God character invented by the ancient Jews and Romans is true.

butterflyl1on:
Who cares what you believe. My medium is unknown to you who does not believe in the supernatural. If you wish to know it then ask your johnydon22 to provide me with the list of supernatural things atheists can believe in while disbelieving in the existence of God who is also supernatural.

When you get him to do this and we begin dialoging about it, then we would deal with your issue.

We all know your medium exist only in your deluded head. You once claimed that you aren't human. Your delusion knows no boundary.

butterflyl1on:
It has EVERYTHING to do with it or do you pretend not to see it?
Let me repost the last part of my comment for sake of typing energy.

It doesn't. I don't believe in the supernatural. How do you as a natural man know that the supernatural exist and what medium do you use to access it.

I dey wait.

Am not interested in it.

butterflyl1on:
I know you have volunteered to be my distraction from my quest

Kolewerk! I will deal with the issue at hand first which is that I need that list of supernatural things an atheist can believe in while disbelieving in the existence of God who is also supernatural.

Do you wish to volunteer this list and let's tackle it? I am sure that as we begin to tackle it we would also conclusively deal with your question as it is all in the mix.

Am asking you a question that has nothing to do with what you asked johnny.

butterflyl1on:
Agreed! So let's argue over your comment that atheists can believe in the supernatural but not in God even when God is seen as being supernatural.

So can you now provide this list of supernatural things atheists can believe in while in the same breath disbelieve in the existence of God.

I am sure you would agree that, this would be some intelligent shït to dialogue about yes? Or are you still suffering from amnesia?

I've been following your argument that God is supernatural as such can not be aacessed through natural means. How do you as a natural man get in contact with this supernatural God? Do you use natural means or supernatural means when getting in touch with this God to know that it is real ?

mujahid777:
Even pagans believe in a supreme God.By distortion,i meant they attributing to him human traits like anthropomorphism and children.God in its purest form is only found in Islam.

The idea of God you've been made to accept as the purest is the one Islam indoctrinated you with.

Ask a Hindu or a christian and they'll tell you that their Gods are in the purest form.

Islam has its idea of God that is different from other religions. It doesn't make it better, it just means it's different. That's all there is to it.

urahara:
was he that bad?

He was the KingEbukasBlog of the religion section. His moniker back then was Frosbel.

CAPSLOCKED:

FUNNY ENOUGH, CHRISTIANS WILL THINK ITS BLASPHEMY TO EVEN TRY TO IMAGINE OR THINK ABOUT LEO'S STATEMENT.
THEY'RE ALWAYS BLIND AND IRRATIONAL ABOUT EVERYTHING.

Ver true. They'll excuse his statement the way they excuse everything.

frosbel2:
I am not a Christian!

Frosbel!!. You used to be the KingEbukasBlog of the religion section back in the days. How time changes everything. Interesting.

"What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!" Pope Leo X.

The Jesus belief has been a business right from inception.

butterflyl1on:
I need details same way you keep demanding for them if the tables were turned.

Where are the names and illnesses. Saying "bottom line" is saying rubbish

Shut up. The faith healer Kathryn Kuhlman herself does NOT believe in her nonsense faith healing. You also do not rely on faith healing for your mental health issues. What exactly are you on about?

HardMirror:
Ask him to tell us how kathryn kulman died.

I don't need to ask him. He is suffering from residual mental illness. He doesn't rely on faith healing. He goes to the hospital for solution to his mental health issues.

butterflyl1on:
He investigated 23 people but can only cite ONE WOMAN? so what happened to the other 22?

Keep on making a fool of yourself as I watch.

Can you show me the list of the 23 people and their documented investigation even if it's from this your New York Times?

. I thought you said I lied about him investigating 23 people?

Bottom line is that faith healing is fake. He pointed out that one of the people died shortly after claiming she was healed, the faith healer herself does NOT believe in her nonsense faith healing because she knows it's NONSENSE. She ran to the hospital for medical help when she took ill. Her followers like Pastor Benny Hinn also do same, they claim to heal people but run to the hospital when they fall sick because they know that faith healing is false.

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2015/March/Evangelist-Benny-Hinn-Released-from-the-Hospital

butterflyl1on:
You claimed he investigated 23 people : LIE

Yes he did and his investigations were published in reputable news papers like the New York times.

From the Wikipedia entry it says that:

Following a 1967 fellowship in Philadelphia, Dr. William A. Nolen conducted a case study of 23 people who claimed to have been cured during one of her services.[13][14][15][16] Nolen's long term follow-ups concluded that there were no cures in those cases. One woman who was said to have been cured of spinal cancer threw away her brace and ran across the stage at Kuhlman's command; her spine collapsed the next day and she died four months later.[9][17][18]





-13 "Psychic Healing? Investigator declares no". The Greenville News. August 16, 1975. Retrieved 2007-11-12.Also see: William Nolen, Healing: a doctor in search of a miracle. New York: Random House ISBN 0-394-49095-9

14-"Dr Nolen Looks at Faith Healing". The San Mateo Times. March 7, 1975. Retrieved 2007-11-12.

-15 Michaelson, Michael (February 2, 1975). "Men of medicine and a medicine man". The New York Times. Retrieved 2007-11-12.

-16 "Extra-Dispensary Perceptions". Time. March 17, 1975. Retrieved 2007-11-12.

I asked you to present the names of these 23 and their illnesses just ask did in mine and you suddenly began chanting how is it possible for me to verify, yet you are using something you claim I cannot verify to defend a moot point which makes me wonder how you carried out your own verification if you claim I may not be able to: DECEPTION

keep on exposing yourself while I watch you

His work and investigations were published in reputable news outlets like the new York timesand Time magazine . Even her defenders did NOT dispute his claims, their excuse was that he only attended one of her services amongst many .

Faith healing is fake because the faith healer herself ran to a small hospital in a small town for medical help when she took ill. She did not rely on on faith healing. As a person with mental issues, you also do not rely on faith healing because you know it won't help you.

butterflyl1on:
Ode personified

So they are suddenly not real people yet he INVESTIGATED them and you are parroting it? Oh ye salamander.

Since you are defending your claim with this sole report yet with your own mouth you are telling me that "how can I prove them and how would I know they are real people"? I hope you can see how stupid you have made yourself with your own words.

You are parroting what even you are not sure of.

Dalaman the salamander expose yourself more I am enjoying it.

Go and take your drugs and stop acting a fool. I just showed you that name dropping means nothing ,you were the one that was trying to build a mountian out of names that were dropped and I asked you to use the names and give me the details of the people. How can you prove that all the names you dropped are the names of real people?

Kathryn Kuhlman the faith healer that "healed" one of the people whose name you dropped has shown that faith healing is false. She went to the hospital when she was sick and needed medical attention. She didn't rely on faith healing. Your mental illness also shows that faith healing is a ruse because that is not what you rely on for healing.

butterflyl1on:
Can you show where it says he investigated 23 people and the names and illnesses of these 23 people as I have done in mine.

If you have it produce it so I would know you are not just parroting a lying salamander like yourself.

Must their names and illnesses be written for it to be valid? Who are these people despite their names and ilnessness? How do you know that they are real people and not made up characers from their names and illnesses? Can you tell me the house address and phone number of any of them so that I can contact them and know if they are real people?

You are a ridiculous village clown.

You have no point, the faith healer herself does NOT believe in her nonsense faith healing because when it mattered she ran to the hospital for medical help instead of relying on faith healing. If you get infected with a serious medical condition you'll run to the hospital for medical help, you won't rely on faith healing. Your mental illness isn't treated by faith healing. You rely on medical care for the remaining cure of your mental health issues that is yet to fully leave you.

4kings:
Dalaman this is an outdated article(it's been around for months) and it's not from "The Economist", it's from "Nigerian-Economist" specifically Olajide Oyadeyi.

But let me ask you this, If Jonathan had won the election, what reasons can you give for Nigeria to be any better than this?

Yeah I noticed as well.

If Jonathan had won nobody can rightly know which way things will be but I believe things would have been bad. Buhari was voted to right Jonathan 's wrongs and not to be excused for his own incompetence.

butterflyl1on:
Your mumu is on hyperdrive today

Same people who said the bolted also said he NEVER followed up on the others despite them admitting to that singular case. If they could be honest with that one then that means they were honest with The rest so why did your man lie just like you?

Besides an independent author said the below

Apart from being a ridiculous and lame clown, you've now gone back to your lying and spinning ways.

He said he invetigated 23 people and discovered that she healed none of them and gave an instance of how one lady threw away her crutches after claiming she was healed only to die few months after. Their response was that he did not attend all service, of course they will always want to defend their principal as always for many reasons.

[Anyone who honestly reads that already knows that you and your man are both liars. But you as the salamander you are will always desperately look for wriggle space.

Sorry but no wriggle space for you here. Thread is locked down and sealed.

Your mental illness will never allow you reason clearly.

You are calling a erson that exposed a lying faith healer as a lair? Sense fall on you.

I noticed you don't even want to touch the real deal breaker, that Kathryn Kuhlman herself does NOT believe in faith healing. When the chips were down, she ran out of town to a small place out of sight of the people she was deceiving to seek for medical help. She knows her faith healing is a ruse. Chew on that and stop sounding like a village fool.

butterflyl1on:
LMAO what a load of crock. If he could post one why not post all if he indeed researched all and found all to be false? Why did not do a proper job of listing them ALL out but only chose one?

More like a case of "if one did not happen then we can assume none happened".

The guy reminds me of you in the lying department.

That's why I said you remain a ridiculous and lame clown.

Even the people did NOT dispute his claims of her faking the healing of 23 people, their only excuse was that he did not attend all her services where others were "truly" healed.

But we don't even need to dwell on their he said she said back and forth. The principal herself Kathryn Kuhlman does NOT believe in her faith healing because she knows it's NONSENSE. When she was down with a heart condition she ran away to a small town away from the people she was deceiving and seeked medical help. She did NOT rely on faith healing because she knows it's a ruse. Chew on that and stop sounding like a village fool.

butterflyl1on:
Same Wikipedia

Nolen's analysis of Kulhman came in for criticism from believers. Lawrence Althouse, a physician, complained that Nolen had attended only one of Kuhlman's services and did not follow up with all of those who claimed to have been healed there.[19] Dr. Richard Casdorph produced a book of evidence in support of miraculous healings by Kuhlman.[20] Hendrik van der Breggen, a Christian philosophy professor, argued in favor of the claims.[21] Author Craig Keener concluded, "No one claims that everyone was healed, but it is also difficult to dispute that significant recoveries occurred, apparently in conjunction with prayer. One may associate these with Kathryn Kuhlman's faith or that of the supplicants, or, as in some of Kuhlman's teaching, to no one's faith at all; but the evidence suggests that some people were healed, even in extraordinary ways."[22]


Grow some sense!

You remain a dull and lame clown. He did he research and discovered that out of the 23 people that claimed to be healed by Kathryn Kuhlman non was healed, in fact one of them that threw away her crutches died shortly afterwards. It is expected that her apologist will come and defend her by saying he didn't attend all her services but one and that others were healed. If she can fake the healing of 23 people why can't she do to the "others that were healed".

But the final deal is Kathryn Kuhlman herself. She does NOT even believe in her nonsense faith healing because when her heart illness started, she ran to a small hospital in a small town in Oklahoma for treatment away from the eyes of people because that is what she knows will help her , if anything at all will help her. She knows her faith healing is a ruse and did not rely on it when the chips were down. A hospital was where she ran to for help.

butterflyl1on:
1. Name of researcher and his qualifications and medical submissions were given.

2. Names of those healed and where was given

3. Illnesses they were healed from were given

So suddenly you do not know how to type in such information on Google to research them yourself but know how to type a response to my post? You are quick to research religious stuff but this one you need me to get you evidence when all you need to get YOURSELF all the evidence you seek you somehow cannot do.

Clap for your own mumu oh lying dalaman the salamander.

THREAD CLOSED AND LOCKED DOWN.

You are a ridiculous clown that is too dull and lame.

Firstly, name and qualifications does NOT mean that a person can not and will not tell lies to promote his hiden agenda. We've seen professionals tell lie to promote one agenda or the other. The doctor whom you are talking about is no diffrent. Firstly this "research" wasn't published by a group or team of researchers but by him alone. He is not even a recognized expert in the medical conditions that he assess for the study, he was a Cardiologist, which doesn't give his research much merit.

I'll just take one of the so called miracles and talk about it. I'll take the one about Kathryn Kuhlman.

"Lisa Larios

Lisa was diagnosed with cancer of the hip when she was 12, and was unable to walk unaided. Her family decided chemotherapy was too traumatic and called it off after one dose. The family were Catholic, though not very religious, and a family friend invited the family to a christian healing meeting conducted by ‘healing evangelist’ Kathryn Kuhlman. The friend fasted and prayed for a week beforehand.
During the service, Lisa felt a warm feeling in her stomach, and Kathryn Kuhlman said someone in her section of the auditorium was being healed from cancer and should stand up. Lisa, against her mother’s wishes, stood up and was able to walk without pain for the first time since the problem had appeared. Lisa was X-rayed several times after that, and it became clear that something strange had indeed occurred. Further X-rays (reproduced in the book) were taken and reviewed by several doctors, and these showed that Lisa’s hip had been fully restored and the cancer was gone."

William A Nolen, a legit respected doctor, respected enough to have an actual wiki entry to himself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_A._Nolen

He interviewed people Kathryn "healed" and found she did not, in fact, heal them at all. In fact, one of the women who was healed of spinal cancer threw her crutches away. Her spine collapsed the next day and she was hospitalised for some time, dying shortly after.


It's also worthy of note that this same faith healer Kathryn Kuhlman died of a heart disease in 1976. Kathryn Kuhlman claims to be a faith healer but when she suffered from heart illness, the hospital was where she ran to and died as a result of an open heart surgery. She her self did NOT believe in her faith healing else she would have prayed for herself for healing instead she ran to the hospital for a medical procedure.

*The Unprecedented Level of Patience Shown to Buhari---the ECONOMIST*

Nigerians have never shown such level of patience and tolerance towards any of their past leaders for his record and strange policies as that shown to their current leader, Muhammadu Buhari – a former military dictator now self-confessed democrat who said he came to fight corruption.

Buhari, 75, is being plagued with failures across every single sector in the economy, the like as has never been seen before. Less than a year into office, the economy plummeted into recession, an economy which had till then grown at an average rate of 7% in previous years (2011-2014). The nation’s currency lost 70% of its value, unemployment rose from 6.5 to 26%, commodity prices tripled across many quarters and the state-regulated premium motor spirit prices were hiked by 67% without practically anybody batting an eye.

There have been stern opposition to his policies however and to his very personality as well, notably in the South East and South- South regions in the country as they are called, where he both received less than 5% of the votes cast at the last Presidential election and where he has always been sternly unpopular for his history of bigotry against the people, perceived incompetence and dictatorial tendencies. But in many other regions across the country the people have rather resolved to suffer patiently, drawing up excuses for him at will, blaming everyone including his hundreds of political appointees, anything and anybody but never the man himself.

But in many other regions across the country the people have rather resolved to suffer patiently, drawing up excuses for him at will, blaming everyone including his hundreds of political appointees, anything and anybody but never the man himself.

Buhari’s party, the APC, promised Nigerians unprecedented swiping changes in government and the eviction of all corrupt individuals.
One possible explanation for this could be his party’s hope narrative in the 2015 General election where citizens were promised an unprecedented crackdown on corruption and the abolition of all government waste by a man whose financial worth they declared to have been less than N30million ($150,000 then), a historical low for a former top official in the country and most especially a former leader.

In a country plagued by acute corruption problems and with the unremitted crude oil revenue scandal of 2014 still fresh in the people’s minds, many were eager for an abrupt change, the like as never been seen before. He was seen an army general, already experienced in government, with a great strength of will, tough to take on the nation’s cabal of hardened criminals. He promised to appoint only technocrats to head the country’s departments and to see out the lingering Boko Haram insurgency from the warfront. For a nation lacking basic amenities such as power supply in spite of its huge energy resources and with the lingering insurgency crises, the choice seemed easy to many- the general with integrity was the man for the country.

Talk was cheap then but now reality has taken its course. His earliest opponents pointed out to his track record and not to his speech, noting that the last time Nigeria fell into dismal failure, currency woes and commodity shortages was when he had seized power as a military general in 1983 and stating that the facts of that record contradicted the poems of his image brokers.

Many however just wanted “change” as it was then called and so voted the General and sat to wait for the sung promises. But from the onset of his government, the course was as his critics had predefined: Incompetency, bigotry and dictatorial tendencies plaguing the country.

He ignored the newly born genocide in the middle belt of the country perpetuated by the Fulani herdsmen of his kindred against the Christian communities in Benue, Plateau and later on Kaduna. He breached the Central Bank’s 2007 Act of Independence, telling it to suspend forex disbursements to steel importers and other manufacturing sectors in a bid to defend the Naira, a disastrous action which kick-started a spiral of recession.


He took 3 months to appoint his Chief of Staff, 6 months to appoint a cabinet and now 23 months and yet counting to appoint heads of agencies and board members he was so eager to fire upon his assumption into office and rose import duties on the most basic of commodities in a bid to raise government revenue.

And as for the corruption fight, the facts on ground do not show any one at all. Apart from a few officials harassed or imprisoned without court order, the country is yet to witness the first victim of the said campaign at the court stands.

Government waste is on the rise, officials publicly caught in graft acts were swiftly excused, the 2016 Budget year passed without implementation and most worrisome, the Central Bank’s foreign reserves were being shared among unknown Bureau De Change operators at variable rates at the detriment of critical manufacturing, business and banking sectors.

The government continues to praise itself but the people seem to be increasingly tired of the paraded self-righteousness. The President’s recent illness was greeted with cheers by many. Many are just tired of the government. But the remarkable level of patience shown so far has been unprecedented and many a times the general reactions towards acts of constitutional violations was one of calmness or insensitivity.

If the Change narrative of the 2015 election and the songs of man of integrity are to account for this, then Nigerians may have just certified themselves on the world map as a nation easy to fool with propaganda. An adult should be judged on his track record not on his tongue.

*Culled from The Economist*

GoodMuyis:
Welcome

Even before Christianity modern Medicine, there have being spiritual healing or exorcism, how much more this days when the power of by the Holy Ghost is much more available

Where medicine fail Faith Healing do much more.

Our own President Muhammadu Buhari was diagnosed in UK hospital, the same would say they don't know precisely what his ailment is only to give him with whatever supplement they know.

LESSON
Pastor E.A. Adeboye made a revelation
https://www.nairaland.com/3994399/

Same Pastor visited sick PMB in UK few days later
https://www.nairaland.com/3997369/

And few days later PMB was discharge from UK
https://www.nairaland.com/2183070/

So pastor Adeboye is responsible for President Buhari's healing? Clap for yourself.

butterflyl1on:
Your thread is as bogus as you are.

Read the below and thereafter you can hang yourself out of frustration



http://www.is-there-a-god.info/life/tenhealings/

I read somewhere that you claimed to be an evangelist turned atheist and had such a glowing spiritual record but your post and my counter shows you to be nothing but a mega sham and totally deceitful in all your ways.

THREAD EFFECTIVELY CLOSED.

When will your mental illness allow you to reason clearly na? So a post from some obscured christian blog post without any evidence at all but baseless claims is what will shut down the thread abi? Clap for your self.