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KingEbukasBlog:
Its dalaman and his clowning antics at their best . You shouldn't be surprised . He interpretes the scriptures his own way and then wants you to agree with him . Till now he has not told us what this evil is and what makes it evil . That's how shameless empty he is

A verse clearly says God repented for evil he had done, you refuse to accept it and said it means punishment. So tell me what offence did they people commit that they were for from the verse. You haven't told me what offence they commited and why they were punished. Very empty and hopelessly shameless you are.

oyetpel:
And you think terrorists are sane?

Do you support terrorism?

As far as i can tell, true Muslims condemns terrorism, saying Islam is not violence.

So you using terrorists to justify jubilation of death in a religion thread. ion knw wat ta say, keep reasoning this way, it's good for you.

Terrorist are true belevers. They truly believe in what they claim their religion tells them. They happily die for their course of belief.

I don't support terrorism, am just showing you examples of people that truly act according to their beliefs.

KingEbukasBlog:
These things should not be taken literally but figuratively . There are no mansions or streets made of gold in Heaven . Heaven is immaterial realm and gold , mansions are physical/material things . Mansions , streets were used in the bible were used to describe the presence of God and the unity of children of God in Heaven .

Seun take note too before you start forming too pedantic . Sir pointing out "flaws" in the bible

They shouldn't be taken literally because you don't want them to or the person that wrote them in the bible doesn't want people to take them literally? There are no mansion and streets of gold because you don't want them to be there or because they writers don't understand what they wrote?

Jesus himself described heaven as a material place. I'm revelations heaven was described as a material place. Now you are trying to tell us that the writers of the bible are wrong and shouldn't have said that heaven is a material place. Well done.

oyetpel:
Even Jesus didn't want to die again, when his flesh dey do him somehow.
It is human instinct and affection of losing someone close to them.
Did the OP expect them to be jubilating because the person will enter heaven? Its affection. Anywhere there is death, you don't expect jubilation.

Stupid reasoning OP.

Islamic terrorist jubilate when someone dies. In fact they happily kill themselves because of Islam based on the belief that they are going to the best place ever to life the best life ever. They truly believe and follow their belief to the end. They celebrate those that go on suicide missions, they don't cry over them but celebrate their death because they truly believe they went to a better place. So your statement there I shouldn't expect jubilation anywhere there is death is false.

Islamic radicals celebrate the deaths of their foot soldiers, they don't mourn or cry over their deaths.

I ask this question with all sincerity. A friend's wife died suddenly and mysteriously on Tuesday. On Sunday she complained of severe tooth ache, she was taken to a dentist who examined her on monday and the tooth was removed on Tuesday morning. She was taken back to the house, she complained of excruciating pains and died shortly after she got to the house. She's was a devoted christian. She was young (37 years old).
The way they've been going about her death bothers me. As if she's the first person to die. They don't want to accept that she's dead.


When christians announce the deaths of loved ones as a very sad demise, do they really believe that heaven and their God are real?

If heaven and their God are as real as they claim you'd expect celebrations that the late loved one just made it to the best place and best life there could ever be, you'd expect them to be happy but no, they wail, they cry, they become depressed, they feel rejected by their God etc. When their loved ones are sick instead of praying for a quick and speedy death so that their loved ones or they themselves will die and go to heaven and be with their God whom they always tell us they love endlessly, they pray for a speedy recovery instead. The always talk about heaven as the best place ever and the after life as the best life ever but they never want to die and go there. Are they doubtfull? Don't they want to go to heaven again?

Why pray for speedy recovery when sick or pray for long life here in this sinful and bad world as they claim when you can easily pray for a speedy death so that you can go and be with Jesus in heaven and enjoy the best life that there can ever be as they claim.

butterflyl1on:
Kingebukasblog come and carry this dead horse called dalaman the salamander. His flagrant waltz with lies though not shocking is still as repulsive as shît.

I am done with him and need to wipe him off me with some tissue paper as the addicted to lies repulsive shìt he is.

Tired of defending your imaginary God and throwing tirades on it's behalf? Move along. You always tell lies to defend this your God, you throw tirades, you plagiarize to defend this your God. When exactly will you allow this God of yours to do anything for itself na? You need to be done defending this God of yours that can never do anything on it's own but always have to rely on a failure like you to be doing things for it.

butterflyl1on:
Right front the start you were DUMB ON ARRIVAL..

i told you their offence was part of their history and I showed you a bit of it and why they made an oath to God in Jeremiah 42:5 but as expected you are dead to realities but alive to lies.

My position shouldn't matter to you should it? I am not the one who is an atheist am I? Am I the one who goes about shouting SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE OF THIS AND THAT? or have you forgotten your anthem so quickly just so you can keep lying to yourself?

Do you deny you need to see an evidence for this so called evil from this verse? I need a clear answer from you. Do you need evidence of the evil or not from this verse or you simply want to run with it because IT WAS NOT WRITTEN THERE?

How can anyone keep shouting that something is evil when they do not even know what the thing is?

Chronic addiction to lies is what you have and you will NEVER EVER stop lying unless you repent.

According to verse God made a repentance statement after he had commited evil against the people (an evil that wasn't stated and doesn't matter).
Why was God repenting if he had not done anything wrong? He even said I repent me of the evil that was commited unto you. It's clearly written there.

You and your people say that the evil there means punishment, if it means punishment then which offence did they commit? You said that the offence was part of their history, but God has been committing evil against them as a part of their history too that was why he repented from it.

I do not need to show you any evidence all I need to show you is the statement of repentance.


How can you say it's a punishment for an offence when you do not know what the offence is that they commited from the verse.

butterflyl1on:
More lies

Kingebukasblog NEVER SAID and I repeat NEVER SAID what you just typed.

He simply asked you to state the evil committed by God. FULLSTOP!

you chose to lie and keep lying like your father the devil.

You insisted on evil based on the word but he in order to show you your rather painfully obvious stupidity asked you a very elementary question from the same scripture. He simply said DALAMAN TELL ME THE EVIL GOD COMMITTED.

you now confessed with your own mouth THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW BECAUSE IT ISNT STATED THERE.

now here comes common sense and logic as it should be rightly applied

Since this so call EVIL which God said he repented from was not stated there and even you confessed to this, how then did you come to the conclusion that it was actually an evil thing? WHERE IS YOUR PROOF OF THAT?

OR IS YOUR OWN VERSION OF ATHEISM NOT BASED ON EMPIRICAL PROOF?

if this evil was not stated in that verse as declared by you, hence makes it unknown to you (as you said) then how did you know it was an evil thing?

You are an addict to lies.

What kind of fool are you? Tell me what I said that he did not say. Just point it out.

He asked me to show him the evil God commited according to the verse because it isn't stated there, he knows that I won't state it because it isn't mentioned there. My inability to state the evil committed will lead him.to say that my point is moot.

Since he has stated that God was punishing the people as opposed to evi as stated in the versel, I asked him to also state the offence the people commited according to the verse that made God to punish them. He couldn't as well because it wasn't stated there. Knowing that I got him he kept quiet and left the discussion. But you as the fool that you are took up the discussion and also confessed with your own mouth that the offence wasn't stated in the verse.

If the offence wasn't stated in the verse then how did you know that they commited and offence and the evil stated there means punishment? If the punishment is not stated in the verse as declared by you, how did you know that the people were being punished as opposed to the evil that was stated God commited in the verse?

You are addicted to spin and lies.

butterflyl1on:
Further lies

I have NEVER mistyped and claimed it's my phone that caused it.

As further proof of your lies observe your latest so called correction of the same comment below






Your correction according to you was for the word EVIL. however as you continued you now asked the words in red and ended it with PUNISHMENT.

what you wrote is one of 2 things.

1. You NEVER originally made a mistake and erroneously present offence for the word EVIL because now that you have replaced it with evil which you said was your original intent it leaves your comment meaningless and actually speaking AGAINST YOU AND NOT FOR YOU because the original usage of the word offence would match your question in red which was you asking about the offence committed which warranted A PUNISHMENT. IT IS ONLY AN OFFENCE THAT DESERVES A PUNISHMENT. offence does not deserve EVIL.

2. Your asking the question in red and talking about what offence was committed that warranted punishment just annulled your position about God repenting from an evil because you just typed with your own hands THAT GOD PUNISHED THEM and not DID EVIL to them.

Your school, be it day or evening school you attended should be ashamed of you right about now.

You are addicted to lies

Repeat after me, my name is butterflyl1on and I am a fool.

Your mental issues will never allow you to read and comprehend anything.

1. He asked me to state the evil that was commited in the verse.

2. He said God did not commit any evil but punished the people and I also asked him(and you as well) just like he asked me to state the offence that was commited which lead to the punishment, since he said punishment is the true explanation for the verse and not evil. if you do not understand things ask instead of allowing your mentally deranged brain to be embarrassing you anyhow.

butterflyl1on:
Read this and take it as my very generous contribution towards healing your withered brain and a sharp knock on you for lying repeatedly.


http://www.bible-studys.org/Bible%20Books/Jeremiah/Jeremiah%20Chapter%2042.html

Shut up and state the offence that they were punished for according to the verse instead of throwing apologist drivel at me. You say they were punished but you can't state the offence they commited.

butterflyl1on:
Haaaaaaa oluwa ooo

Korokoro lie is now a mistake?

Even your phone keyboard has no way of exchanging the word evil for offence. How dem take get anything in common?

Dalaman the lying salamander. You are addicted to lies and it's now plain to see.

I am not like you that will lie and say it's my phone that made the error. I said I made a mistake by typing offence insread of evil. Read the statement again and you'll clearly see that it's a mistake, I even corrected it when I saw the error, by then you had already quoted me.

butterflyl1on:

Their offence is not in the verse but in their history

What exactly do you know about what happened to the children of Israel before they cried out to God through Jeremiah in chapter 42?

If your withered brain would permit you, I suggest you read it up so you now would understand that the word REPENT used there was not based on evil from God but based on the evil they had been subjected to over time for their disobedience and rebellious nature so God had pity on their condition especially after they made an oath to God in Jeremiah 42:5.

Since the words "study to show yourself approved unto God, a watchman who needs not be ashamed but rightly dividing the word of truth" isn't applicable to your type then I understand why you are bent on lying over a very simple historically linked verse.

The evil isn't also stated in the verse but in their history with Yahweh. Yahweh has comitted a lot of evil against them going by their history. He simply git tired of doing evil against them and repented. The verse clearly says so.

butterflyl1on:
Your mouth and fingers can NEVER stop speaking and typing lies can they? Even when Kingebukasblog wrote what he did here for everyone to see you still wish to lie? Shame on you.

Below was ebukas comment and question




Do you see the words you wrote which I highlighted and ebukas own which I also highlighted?

Now tell me how his words are the same as yours you lying dalaman the salamander and twister of truth.

How does WHAT EVIL DID GOD DO now become that you state the offence committed?

You are a addicted to lies.

You don't have sense, if you do you'll know that I made a mistake, I was supposed to type evil and typed offence by mistake.

Lost a lot of money and made a lot of money as well. I am happy that when I look at my account balance all I do is smile broadly.

butterflyl1on:
The question you were asked was WHAT EVIL DID GOD COMMIT THAT MADE HIM REPENT and not WHAT OFFENCE DID THEY COMMIT? as usual you have begun chasing your tail.

God was satisfied with their punishment which was already served so he had compassion over them. Does that confuse you still?

He asked me to state the evil commited according to the verse. It isn't stated. Jut a statement of repentance for an evil already done, that is why I asked you to state the offence they commited according to the verse that lead to the punishment. What were they punished for according to the verse? State it or be quiet.

Ok we don hear you.....Where are the 10 good things that women should start doing in 2018?

KingEbukasBlog:
Ogbeni, state the evil that was commited and what makes it evil or keep quiet

You are the only one claiming God committed evil yet you don't know the evil that was commited and what makes it evil

you are hopelessly shameless

The passage just says God repented of the evil he did. Which you claim is punishment. According to the verse which offence did the people commit that had God punishing them? State their offence according to the verse.

butterflyl1on:
Indeed you are immeasurably shameless. Your position is on the word REPENT but the said evil you said God repented of you have no idea what it was.

How can God repent over something he never did?

This was the same thing you did on the other thread with the word hybridization. All you do is hold on to a word and not look at the context in which it was spoken and then draw your inference.

You are a clown and deserve to get a full time job as a comedian. Even when you were asked to state the said evil God repented of you said with your own mouth that YOU DO NOT KNOW AND NEITHER WAS IT STATED yet in same breath you insist that God repented (based on the usage of the word and not the context) and you say you are normal or your brain is not withered and dry?

Please take yourself in for a mental evaluation. I have told you that ever since you became an atheist your mental state has been on a steady decline and every day on nairaland you keep proving me right.

The best advice anyone can give you today on nairaland is simply to shut up and bury your head in hibernating shame away from this thread until hopefully you receive fertilized sense into your head.

You are a ridiculous joke. You can clearly see from the different opinions and interpretations of the apologist that they are just trying to explain the verse away. One said the verse means God was satisfied with the punishment he meted out to them, whIle the other said the verse means God will compassion over them and will change his ways and course of providence over them. Two totally different opinions amongst christians over the same verse.

Which offence did God punish them for according to the verse of I may ask?

KingEbukasBlog:
Here are the commentaries by bible scholars on that particular verse and tell me how you make any sense by accusing God of committing evil . Who should I pay attention to ? Dalaman or different bible scholars who actually had the same interpretation of the text

All these explanations are just ridiculous apologist drivels. A passage says I repent me of the evil I've done unto you while the apologist is saying it means I am satisfied with the punishment your nation has undergone, the other apologist is saying it means he has compassion over them and will change his ways and course of providence over them.

Even the apologist are all over themselves and can not even provide a single and united interpretation. All of them are just interpreting it differently.

Satan in Christianity is a conception and idea of the writers of the new testament. The writers of the old testament had a very different idea of Satan and the role he plays in their scriptures.

KingEbukasBlog:
Let me first ignore your cherry-picking and ask you these questions. Your emptiness will finally be exposed for all to see

1. Define evil

2. What evil did God do in Jeremiah 42 : 10

*holds laugh

1. evil
ˈiːv(ə)l,ˈiːvɪl/
adjective
1.
profoundly immoral and wicked

2. Jeremiah 42:10 is a verse that has Yahweh repenting about the evil he commited. It didn't state the evil he did, it just has him repenting of an evil he had already done that wasn't stated in the verse.

JackBizzle:
The worst is the king James version, especially the newer version.

See remixing of verses.

Christians create the God they want to follow and worship it using what ever translation of the bible they want. Some verses are translated so differently that they carry contradictory messages and meanings. I

KingEbukasBlog:
@ dalaman




Jeremiah 42:10 (New International Version (NIV)

10 ‘If you stay in this land, I will build you up and not tear you down; I will plant you and not uproot you, for I have relented concerning the disaster I have inflicted on you.

Jeremiah 42:10Contemporary English Version (CEV)
10 I am sorry that I had to punish you, and so I now tell you to stay here in Judah, where I will plant you and build you up, instead of tearing you down and uprooting you.

Jeremiah 42:10New English Translation (NET Bible)
10 ‘If you will just stay in this land, I will build you up. I will not tear you down. I will firmly plant you. I will not uproot you. For I am filled with sorrow because of the disaster that I have brought on you.

Here are different versions showing evidence of your emptiness

These are dubious bible versions that sort to change the true meaning because the translators DO NOT like what the original message says and chose to change it to give it their own acceptable meaning. That is why there are DIFFERENT English translations of the bible each carrying the agenda of the publisher. That is a know FACT. There is a very different meaning between disaster and evil. Filled with sorrow is different from repenting. Which is the actual translation of the verse?

I am.always very careful before I throw bible verses at people.

The JPS which the Jews consider as the most accurate English translation of the Hebrew Bible translates the verse as follows :


JPS Tanakh 1917
"If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up; for I repent Me of the evil that I have done unto you".

This is from the JPS which the Jews consider as the most accurate English translation of the Hebrew Bible. The verse speaks for itself. It says I repent for the evil i've done unto you.

Diffrent Bible translators found it unpalatable and decided to spin it and give it their own meaning from saying am sorry for the punishment, to am sorry for the disaster that I sent. Punishment and disasters do not mean evil.
This is another evidence that your God is a man made entity, his words and everything he says or does has to be done by man with his different agenda. Men will write down the words and others with totally different agendas will come and translate it for other men. Same men will then go and speared this word. Your God never does anything for himself. It's men that do everything for it, yet it exist . Your sorry of an OP is trying to establish the existence of a God using some beer palor gimmicks.

You think if A God exist it will rely on you and your beer palor gimmicks to prove it's existence to atheist? You remaina huge and empty joke.

KingEbukasBlog:
You are a comedian . A very funny one . So I need to be a deist or maltheist to put your ludicrous arguments to shame ?

So I need to be a historian to talk history or a politician to talk politics so as to disprove a persons claims if the discussion should digress towards those areas ?

Your mates are making good money telling good jokes on social media and you are wasting this talent . Na wa oo

You said your God is the epitome of moral goodness and evil is contrary to Its nature. I proved that it's false by showing you your God doing evil and repenting from it. The next thing is to abandon your defeated claims and jump into some nonsense about maltheism/dystheism (and idea of God you do NOT believe in)thinking it will save your already defeated assertion. You are empty as always.

KingEbukasBlog:
Everytime you bring these same verses and I have always interpreted and explained them . This is the obvious conclusion : You don't want to accept my explanation. This is very fine with me . Like I said in the OP , old rebutted arguments shouldn't be presented again . It's not use going through them over again .

What is your explanation for the verse? You've never explained anything to me about it. Why is your God doing evil and repenting from it if evil is contrary to Its nature?

Like I told the other guy , there is a type of theism -maltheism/dystheism - that posits that the nature of the creator is an evil one and it still accepts that God exists .

A deist can also posit that God may derive perversive pleasure from creating the world that is prone to evil that's why It does not intervene.

The nature of God - good or evil - does not question God's existence. Let's stick to the challenges that have been put up . There is a big opportunity to learn and test one's intellect

You are a joke. Are you into maltheism/dystheism? Are you a deist? You described your God and stated his attribute, after I showed you that your assertions are false you are jumping to maltheism/dystheism and deism.

KingEbukasBlog:
God has morally sufficient reasons why he permits evil mainly because of freewill . Every moral agent has the ability to do things on their volition and so if God permits evil , it could because of the expression of freewill . That's why we moral laws that help us freely choose to do good not evil . Evil itself is evidence for God . Why ? Because evil is a departure from good and since God (the epitome of moral goodness) is good , evil is contrary to Its nature .

How can God be said to be the epitome of moral goodness when he does evil himself? How can evil be contrary to it's nature when he does evil?

Accordingto the bible, God does evil acknowledges it and even repents from it.

Jer 42:9 - And said unto them, Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, unto whom ye sent me to present your supplication before him;
Jer 42:10 - If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you.

I've asked you many times without getting an answer and I'll ask again. How is your God the epitome of moral goodness when he does evil, acknowledges it and even repents from it? How is evil contrary to his nature when he does evil?

butterflyl1on:
What you call insults are simply me knocking sense into dolts like you.

No atheist here wishes to learn not even when the learning tool is in pictures.

Your mental illness will never allow you talk well. How can you that is facing mental challenges knock any sense into anybody when you have none? You can't give what you don't have na.

Since when has plagiarism(your forte ) equals to knocking sense into people?

butterflyl1on:
Your quote below and be kind enough to note the words in highlights




The word in view all this while has been hybridization and you kept dodging it but here you said earlier ebuka did not use that word but he used A SIMPLER word and explained it.

This simply means that the word "hybridization " which he now used in place of THAT SIMPLER WORD you said he used earlier is giving you migraine which was why you could not offer an answer to my question but kept dodging.

So the word hybrid or hybridization is big grammar to you and way too much for your low level atheist brain to process?

Your shame is extremely profound and your dance of shame is extremely entertaining

You are creating problems where none exist just to run meaningless commentary on them. Where did I say that hybridization is a problem for me? Where did I also dodge the meaning of the word. I told you I owe you no explanation, when he asked me to state the meaning I did and he was satisfied. I used the exact word he used instead of hybridization on the other thread. The word he used was a simple word that also means hybridization in that context. You have been running from pillar to post chasing your long tail all because I refuse to answer you. Now you have resulted to make things up as you always do.

butterflyl1on:
LMAO so your problem is the use of the word "hybridization ".

Indeed sciencewatch was right. Your educational background is useless!

Says the person that can not even read and comprehend. Where did I say that my problem is the use of the word hybridization Mr lie lie?

butterflyl1on:
Haba how can someone else who spoke something to you also know you understood what he said to you?

You say he explained to you. You also said you understood what he explained so why then should I further ask him on your behalf when you admitted by yourself?

Your are beyond dumb I swear. You are giving jackbizzle aka dumbbizzle a run for his money.

Read up. He asked me to explain it here and I did. In our discussion on the other thread where I asked him to explain what he meant by special creation he didn't use the word "hybridization of creationism and evolution" he used a simple word and explained what he meant. If you need clarification ask him. I owe you no explanations.

butterflyl1on:
Case proven!

What have you proven? Did you ask him and he told you that I do not understand what he meant? Your mental illness is always making you see things that aren't there.

butterflyl1on:
Oh so you admit you know what it means but has been chasing your tail and dodging this question ever since.

Okay budaatum here is proof of my last comment.

DALAMAN SINCE YOU SAID EBUKA ALREADY EXPLAINED THIS TO YOU BEFORE, KINDLY EXPLAIN IT TO ME.

you need to prove to budaatum that you ain't a dumb atheist even though I already know you are but just humour me.

Explain it to you because you are who? I will not explain it to you, call police.