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1Sharon:
Telling them to check the list again

His name has been removed from the list because of excessive masturbation and pornography.

hopefulLandlord:
the day has come, I'm in heaven but you didn't make it, Yahweh said you're a porn and masturbation addict, that's the reason you didn't make heaven, don't take the mark of the beast abeg, hope still dey for you

I always knew excessive masturbation and pornography will stop this one from going to heaven. Mr Felixmoron.

HopefulLandlord abeg enjoy heaven ooo. We still dey earth dey run our things. Nothing do us.

Assuming this mythical rapture is true, how will christians know when it has taken place?

AgentOfAllah:
Islam in its present form will die out, like all anachronistic ideas do. In fact it is already beginning to die out. Wahabi Islam, due to its inability to adapt, is quickly being choked by the inexorability of progress. The violent expressions you see are the final convulsions of death by asphyxiation.

There are other interpretations of Islam, the more peaceful strands, like Sufism and other new age interpretations that even allow women to be imams in mixed gender mosques, which are becoming more and more popular. These are the ones that will eventually take over the Islamic legacy. You'll see!

Sure with time the more peaceful strands will take over but the militant type won't go away soon. It will be around for a while.

CoolUsername:
Islam is a major divisive force in any society that accepts it. See the Middle East where Sunnis and Shiites have been fighting for over a thousand years, look at what it is doing to Europe, bringing it home - see Nigeria - boko haram, Fulani herdsmen, Jos religious crisis, etc.

And it isn't only the terrorists. Women can't go out without a male chaperone in Saudi Arabia, most Islamic countries believe that people should be killed four their sexual preference, paedophilia is encouraged in this religion (since its founder was one). All in all, Islam is a religion that needs to reform or die out.

I'm happy that you've been able to escape from it.

Islam uses fear to entrap it's adherent the way other religions do not. It won't die out. It is projected to surpass christianity in the future. [code][/code]

Proudgorgeousga:
also imagine an all powerful creator angry at women for using perfume while allowing men the freedom to do so.
You won't believe a certain moniker on this nairaland was seriously defending this bullshit and attacking those that disagree with it. mehn!
sometimes when I visit the Islamic section I marvel at the height of the mental ŕedardation some of them possess.

Pls can you post a link to the thread?

Hoping4Life:
Even after realising to a certain extent that none of the claims of Islam can be validated, there's still the mental torture of hell fire being the end if I'm wrong. I'm more terrified of death, seeing as I may burn for rejecting my faith. And there's this psychologicalbpart whenever I dare to open the Qur'an, I almost always randomly open verses talking about lack of Faith and consequences.

But a large part of the Koran is about lack of faith and it's consequences. Don't allow ancient and mythical narratives rob you of your peace of mind.

Try to study the history of Islam outside the traditional and bias muslims historical sources to get an idea of its foundation and how it began.

watchwoman:
This scenario here on Nairaland reminds me of the opening in George Orwell's Animal farm "all animals are equal but some are more equal than the others"

Similarly on Nairaland[b], All religious beliefs are equal but some beliefs are more equal than the others[/b].

No, some religions are more violent than others.

Prognose:
I have no problem with the Muslims having their own section but what about the Christians? Did they threaten him not to create a section for the Christians as well? He should as a matter of decency and equity do the same for Christians.

Meanwhile any Muslim reading this should be ashamed of themselves. You used force, threats and intimidation to stop people from persecuting your religion but you still criticise others. Shame on you.

Many christians have threatened nairaland as well only that in their own case they openly prayed to their God to destroy the site and stop it from functioning for all the blasphemy from non christians. Non has threatened his life personally like the Islamist.

That's because muslims once threatened his life some years ago by saying that he should stop allowing non muslims to use nairaland to insult their God and their prophet so he decided to create their strictly moderated section for them, even with that non muslims still went to their section to insult their God and prophet before the declaration was finally put in place.

Violence has decreased much more now than during the time of Jesus. Numerous studies and research has shown that violence is generally on the decrease.




https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-decline-of-violence/


https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/04/15/the-decline-war-and-violence/lxhtEplvppt0Bz9kPphzkL/story.html

As for immorality we aren't more immoral than the ancient Romans that used to have open sex orgie parties on the regular. Their debauchery was too much. They had sex on the streets and anywhere they could.

http://ancients-bg.com/wild-sexual-habits-in-ancient-rome/

hopefulLandlord:
sounds convincing

butterflyl1on:
Let me make it even simpler even though I know it's a vain attempt since you enjoy pretending you do not understand the question

Dalaman which came first? The God concept or the God concept AND religion?

Did the God concept cause religion or did religion cause the God concept?

Now pretend you still do not understand the question

And I ask which God are you talking about? Allah, Amun Ra and Xenu are Gods so which God are you talking about knowing that there are various Gods and not one.

butterflyl1on:
You know you can only deceive yourself

Repeatedly I have said that any and every religion was never a religion at the origination of what you call "the concept of God "

Ideas or concepts are not accepted overnight so you cannot mix the concept with the religion because the concept came first. Also the concept may not have been based on the fostering of religious followership.

So show me the origin of the God concept before it evolved into the various religions.


I am only interested in ONE!

THE ORIGIN aka THE SOURCE aka THE FIRST MAN WHO CONCEIVED IT.

If after breaking it down again to you like this you still end up asking me to choose which of the religions then you are being deliberately deceptive. Simply say you do not know and not your cheap attempt at blindness to such an obviously self explanatory question

Show you the origin of which God concept? Is it Allah, is it Amun Ra, or Xenu? These three are examples of Gods.Which God concept are you talking about?

butterflyl1on:
Keep on pretending

My question wasn't writing in braille language.

Pretending what? I asked a simple question. If you like pretend not to understand it.

butterflyl1on:
Deliberately cherry picking again ba?

My comment


I am only interested in ONE!

THE ORIGIN aka THE SOURCE aka THE FIRST MAN WHO CONCEIVED IT.

Concived of which of the Gods? Allah, Xenu, Brahma, Amun Ra, Ifa, Palangon. Which of the Gods are you interested in?

butterflyl1on:
Dalaman you talk a lot yet say nothing in the process.

This your God concept devoid of whatever religious affiliations had a beginning (according to you)

That beginning is what I want to know. I am not interested in the many religious God "ideas" you so desperately want me to shift to. I am only interested in ONE!

THE ORIGIN aka THE SOURCE aka THE FIRST MAN WHO CONCEIVED IT.

Which one are you intrested in? Is it Allah, Jesus, Buddah, Ra Amun, Ifa, scientology God Xenu etc which God is the one you are intrested in?

vaxx:
am surprise you asked this kind of question.......

it is the religion that gave science ideas to look for material cause and not to invoke miracle.

religion start the the creation of universities and libraries where science is learn today.

it contribute to the overall economy.... up until 1850s ,religion provide science with day job so that scientists could do science. funds are raised on behalf of scientist.

Religion gave science which idea to look for material causes and not invoke supernatural when and where?
What are you saying?

butterflyl1on:
You are saying nothing new.

Simply point me to the origin of this God concept which was prior to its acceptance that caused religions to evolve from it in their own way and with their various concepts.

No long grammar Abeg. Simply point me there.

Origin of which God concept? God isn't a single concept as there are many different God concepts. Poly, mono, pantheism etc are some of the various concepts of God. Just name a particular God concept and it's history will reveal the men behind it. Stop trying to spin God as a single concept it isn't that is why there are various Gods and religions. You can keep deliberately trying to misunderstand the point am making just so that you can keep spinning and making your meaningless commentary.

butterflyl1on:
SMH why are you this dense?

Read my lips. The OP said RELIGIOUS GODS which made it a sweeping statement. How then did I attempt saying that God was a singular religious entity? You well so?

I asked for the very first God idea regardless of whatever religious affiliation. However there would be no religious affiliation if this alleged God idea did not FIRST EMERGE.

so the idea obviously came first before the religion. So he cannot attach the idea to the religion since the idea came first.

So he needs to show me the source. Simple as ABC.

The day you were born did you suddenly become a man overnight?

If an idea is first formed, it takes time to be accepted, and also time to gain followership which you might term as a religious followership

So I want to see and know the source prior to the followership.

This is as simple as I can put it for you and if you still want to act dense na you sabi.

You aren't making any sense at all. You are just spewing thrash without any sense in it.

Firstly God isn't a thing. It is a concept, a perception and an idea that is why there is NO single God. There are many different Gods throughout out human history. When he says religious Gods he means religious God because there are many different religions with different God concepts. Your ridiculous spin only exposes your dishonesty.

Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Ifa, scientology, Buddhism and Mormon religion for examples are all religions that were created by men so what exactly are you on about?

What has the first man that invented religion got to do with the fact that scientology and Islam are man made religions for example?

butterflyl1on:
Oga dalaman get it straight. I never at any point said anything about MY RELIGION. you are the one trying to shift me to that.

This is not about my religion. The moment the OP said RELIGIOUS GODS he made a sweeping statement and I could no longer focus on mine.

So I asked for the very first source of the God idea regardless of whatever religious inclination or a lack of. Afterall there would have been no religious followership if God or the god idea was not first originated right?

So taking religion out of the way, where and when and whom started it.

Read before you type.

And I've told you that the very first source of God or Gods can not be known because history is limited but I have you a list of religions that are practiced today and their human origin. If you disagree then show us their origin that isn't human.

We can begin with your religion.

butterflyl1on:
When he said "What we know is that all religious gods and teachings are man made" did he exclude himself?

So now suddenly history is limited yet you conclusively claim that God was a human construct.

By the way my question to him never specified the religious God of any religion. I simply asked him for the VERY FIRST SOURCE regardless of which religion it fell under.

People were worshipping "gods" before religion emerged were they not?

So he only needs to show me the source of the very first one.

Read to understand before making a hasty albeit silly retort.

Will you keep quiet Mr spinner. There is no single God. There are various God ideas all created and worshipped by different men at different point in history. Some conceived of many Gods (polytheism ) others conceived the idea of a single God (monotheism) While to to the God is conceived of as nature itself(Pantheism). Trying to spin it as make it look as if God is just a single entity or idea remains a lie. There are various God concepts and ideas and various religions created after the various God ideas.

Islam is a very diffrent from Hinduism but both of them are religions that have God at the center of their beliefs even though such Gods are totally different.
I repeat if you disagree to the fact that the religions I mentioned are man made the then show how they began without human input.

butterflyl1on:
So it's impossible ba? You say there are NO DETAILED RECORDS yet you also claim evidence points TO THE FACT? How then did you arrive at your conclusion without proof?



I want to see the little details you have available

Evidence point to the fact that your religion is man made. End of story

vaxx:
And neither is science explanation accurate too. both have made an attempt that is debatable logically and scientifically..... I will still give credit to religion because it serve as a benchmark for the scientists. most of the science discovery was and will still be as a result of religion progress..............

Hich scientific discovery was made as a result of religious progress? What is religious progress?

butterflyl1on:
Can you show me proof of your claim by pointing to the very first man who "fabricated the religious gods idea"?

I want to you to trace him via history and end at where he first emerged with this idea.

You can see your sheer dishonesty and lie lie spin. He said:

"What we know is that all religious gods and teachings are man made"

And you are asking him to tell you the first man that started the religious Gods idea. He can't do that because history is limited and the first God humans started worshipping has long been forgotten. But what he can show clearly is that the religions he sees around him are the creation of men.

Your own God and religion came into existence about two thousand years ago when some people decided to write stories about sone dead Jewish man and elevate him to God status long after he died. History has show us how the theology and traditions were created by men through different councils, the boil you call the word of God was even voted upon by men, 2500 years ago there was nothing like Jesus God anywhere.

Islam began 1600 years ago by a man called Mohammed and his cronies.

Mormon religion began some decades ago by a man called James Smith.

Buddhism began sometime between the 6th and 4th centuries BCE after the teahings of a guy known as Buddah in India.

Scientology religion was developed in 1954 by American author L. Ron Hubbard

The Ifa religion according to Yoruba history says that it was founded by Orunmila in Ile Ife when he initiated himself and then he initiated his students, Akoda and Aseda.

He can show you how the various known religions were founded by different human beings and their various teachings. If you disagree with the fact then show us how these religions were founded by any other thing but human beings.

vaxx:
you can't erase religion ....religion is the first to explain what is unknown to man before science did it ...

Religious explanations are not accu rate, true and objective. They are mostly mythical explanations.

butterflyl1on:
What do you mean by "the concept of God". If you say God is a concept and you are angry at the concept of God yet not angry at God it's rather confusing.

So what is this your "the concept of God " you mentioned.

Are you alluding that there is a God but "the concept" you are angry with does not exist but the one that isn't a concept does?

A concept from the dictionary means: something conceived in the mind, thought or notion. God is a concept of the human mind that is why there are different Gods and different religions borne out of the various concepts of God people have. God can not be shown to exist on its own without human input. Your own God is a concept created by the ancient Jews. Until you point to your God existing on its own and displaying his independent abilities on its own you shouldn't expect anybody to take you seriously. And pls don't come and start crying that your God is an experience because we know what delusion is .

terrezo2002:
You are right. A sango worshipper can die for his god because he has seen his god in action, same is a Buddhist, Hindu, Muslims and Christians.
So how can you convince me not to believe in the Lord Jesus when I have seen His wonders before.

Once you are indoctrinated and made to believe you'll begin to see. In real-life seeing is believing but when it comes to religion believing is seeing. Big difference btw the two.

terrezo2002:
O really
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or unclothedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written:

“For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”

Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
What is that thing that can take away my confidence? My brother if Jesus Christ is not real, non would be ready to die for that believe

If Allah isn't real non will be ready to die for that belief as well. We see people going in suicide bombing missions in the name of Allah daily. That means Allah must be real.

terrezo2002:
It is OK. It is a choice to believe or not. You have made your choice, but to me deep in your mind you are doubting your choice.

To you abi? You are very wrong as always. Am very confident of my choice more confident than you are in yours.

OliviaPope:
If he doesn't make you beg hard and wail tirelessly, who's gon keep feeding his ego, he gets a weird kind of high off it.

Needy God.

terrezo2002:
I know you won't believe. The lost will keep getting lost. One day you will get to know who this God is

Why should he believe in your childish lies? You know your lies are so ridiculous that you tacitly admit it's unbelievable. The deluded will keep getting deluded. One day you will get to know that your God is nothing but an imaginary idea.