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Very valid question. Why is God testing people when he already knows the end from the beginning as the religious books put it?

vaxx:
lol to avoid deralling.... You can create a topic on it and mention me......or may be I myself will call you in my next topic...

Ok then.

vaxx:
if you dare it... I will invite a Muslim to defend their claim likewise i will call butterflylion or any other to also defend the Christianity faith... You will see they will hold on to some logical reasons you yourrself will find it difficult to debunk....... I asure you i can defend my paganism faith logically....

I've debated muslims and christians here for years. I was a former christian myself. If Christianity made logical sense to me, I will still be one.

We can start with your paganism. I don't know anything about it so you can tell me it's major claims so that we can examine them.

hopefulLandlord:
Science is based on facts and on theories based on facts.

Religion is based on belief in spite of facts; usually religion is based on a "holy book" which pretends to be a book describing "events" that actually "happened". No wonder religious people detest science, although they now pretend to "support" science (as a general -- and, for them, meaningless -- proposition).

Christians are also fearful re: Evolution for solid theological reasons:

Evolution demolishes the idea of an "Adam and Eve," who are depicted as being created by "God" in the last part of Biblical Creation in the Book of Genesis. They are unrelated to any life form that came before them, per the Bible.

Without Adam and Eve . . . you have no disobedience based on
them eating the fruit from the wrong tree.

Without this disobedience -- called "Original Sin" -- you have NO reason for "God" to later send a "Redeemer" for the human race (each of whose members somehow "inherited" that "Original Sin" LOL) . . . and that Redeemer = Jesus. Without Jesus, you have no basis for Christianity. . . . hence, the panic that Christians feel re: Evolution and their goal to discredit it and –
instead – to pretend that a folk tale version of “Creationism accurately
describes what actually “happened”.

They're not arguing against evolution cuz its false; if the Bible endorsed evolution, they'll be its biggest proponents, they're arguing against it cuz it renders a big part of their folklore virtually useless

You are always nailing it.

What I really find astonishing is this Adam and Eve mythological folklore. It is demonstrably FALSE.

adepeter2027:
Assumptions without evidence.
Furthermore, your points sound like personal perception.

Of course it is HIS personal perception and assumptions.

butterflyl1on:
Sorry I disagree. Of the 4 you listed there, for creation, WHY is the most important. When we know why then when, where and how fades into the distance.

You can only ask and get the HOW if it is replicable. Can man make man from his raw materials? Can man make even plants from its raw materials?

Why bother about HOW when such an information is useless to you.

Even ever since evolutionists claimed man came from a single celled organism have they been able to make or create anything with this information?

Why do you like making silly commentaries na? How do you know that the HOW is useless?

It is NOT. I for one will like to know HOW the first man or set of humans was/ were created.

I can not manufacturer a car but when I see the video recording of a car assembly plant I fully and truly appreciate the process involved even though I can't replicate it.

Creationism doesn't know the HOW and can not offer any verifiable ot true explanation so it skips ot and tries to explain the why(something that remains an assumption on its part ). The HOW, WHEN and WHERE are all very important questions and we are all very interest in them as human beings. Even many creationists try to answer them, it's just that they have failed with their attempts.

adepeter2027:
This topic is good even tho I everything is like a mirage/illusion to me.

To me, they both look false and fake.
Tho some aspect of evolution make sense and plausible

Some aspects of evolution makes sense and sound plausible, but over all it is pure bunk in my opinion. It relies too much on the opinion and alleged intelligent guesses of its proponents. Some of its assumptions are out rightly false.

AnonyNymous:
You were very lucky to meet someone like that! Or did you particularly search her out?

I was a christian when I got married. I became an atheist like 6 years into the marriage. But when I told her I no longer believed she kind of understood my position cos her dad was irreligious. It wasn't a totally new thing to her.

butterflyl1on:
Try not to derail the thread as you are beginning to lean that way.

Creationism does not need to show you "how". "How" isn't the focus but "why" is the reason for creation and not "how".

It needs to. Creationism is making a claim so it needs to substantiate it by showing us how. You are being deliberately hypocritical here. You just claim that evolution has failed to show us how but you are now trying to give creationism a pass over the same issue.

Hpw did God create human beings? Ever sane person willwant to know. How did God create the DNA and the human cells? Everybody will want to know. How did God create the human eyes or how did the various human races come about? Every rational person will want to know that. But because creationism is empty it can't tell you. It will only tell you that God created and you are to accept it though various mythical stories that explain and offer nothing about the creation process.

After you find out "how", would that somehow change the "why"? If it does change the "why" would it be for good or for bad?

If somehow you found out that you just "happened" on this earth so there really is no purpose or no "why" to life but you are just a chemical mix going through the motions then any sane person would ask, "why then do I go to work", "why do I have or need children? ", " why do I need or do anything? " "why do I even love or have or make friends? " summary would be that life is meaningless.

Now imagine half the population of this earth having this mentality and then see how long anything would survive on this earth. Killing would mean nothing! Morals would mean nothing! There would be no good or evil as purpose or "why" is no more. There would only be survival so whatever you can do to survive you are free to do it.

Is that the world you wish for?

Why did God create bacteria and virus?

tintingz:
Oh really? Are you base in Nigeria?

I use to chat with a Nigerian lady online who's a devoted Christian and she knows I'm irreligious, i was surprised when she said she doesn't mind marrying an irreligious man.

...but I no trust such lady, that's when they will invite pastors, church elders to use prayers, disturbance to force their beliefs on someone.

Yes am based in Nigeria.

I know one open Igbo atheist lady on facebook. She's atheist and very proud. She post a lot of atheist memes on her wall. She's the only open Nigerian atheist lady I know. But others I've met are just very liberal christians or Muslims but they all believe.

butterflyl1on:
Science tries to offer a detailed explanation of what creationism summarises. That's the difference. I always tell people that science validates creationism.

However due to the position of creationism and the impression that science is against it then it becomes hard for science oftentimes to adequately explain the process creation took and when they meet this hurdle they simply look for a reason to fill the gap and therein is the reason for all the suppositions and assumptions and speculations.

Only an intelligent designer position can explain the reason for all their speculations.

Remember, creationism offers a summary while science tries to offer detail (this they are struggling with terribly)

Creationism does NOT offer any summary. Creationism only offers an assumption and supposition, that is why it remains empty and can not be used to know or understand anything about nature or what it assumes.

Creationism for example just assumes that something called God created, but it can never tell you how God created anything, it can not tell you why God created, when he created and for what purpose.

A creationist will tell you that God created the earth, ask him to explain how God created the earth's magnetic field for example and he'll start crying because he has no idea at all. He is just runnig on wild assumptions.

vaxx:
Most of the claims of religion can be subjected to critical thinking and hence make sense logically.

Which major claims of christianity or Islam can be subjected to critical thinking and found to make sense?

I've tried to study evolution for years but I just can not understand it. It is just full of speculation, wild guesses and assumptions for me to take it seriously.

Some part of it makes sense though but as a whole it's riddled with so many fallacies and nonsense.

Creationism is also the same pile of nonsense. Creationism is worse because it is completely mythical.

adepeter2027:
I can also agree with you on the listed states above.

I knew sokoto, kebbi and zamfara can never make that list.

BTW, borno of all state making that list?

Borno isnt as Islamic as you think. A sizeable number of the indeigines of the state are christians.

adepeter2027:
Northern states likes?

Kano, Kaduna, Borno, Bauchi , Adamawa. The ones I've seen so far.

adepeter2027:
But I réside in one of the northern state, I'm yet to come across any Ex-muslim who's now an atheist

They are on Facebook and use pen names.

adepeter2027:
I quite agree with you on this.
But majority of them are irrational and violent

That's because of Islam. Islam is irrational and violent aND it has completely taken over their minds.

adepeter2027:
Females?
Like seriously?

Yes females. They've given Islam a try and realized it's all bunk.

falcon01:
yeah a rational hausa man is the best person you can live with.

True.

tintingz:
Like someone above said ladies that lived abroad will understand someone irreligiousness, African ladies here that are irreligious or don't have problem with your stance on religion are hard to see.

I think it is better to lie to the lady's family you're religious but tell the truth to the lady that you're not.

There are few ladies that understand what it means to be irreligious. My wife for example grew up with an irreligious father so when I told her I no longer believed she kind of understood my position.

falcon01:
i swear the rate of atheist in the north is increasing very rapidly.. i know a lot of 'em but they cant express their belief. [b]they hide behind fake names to express their belie[/b]f.

Yeah. Alot of them do that and another thing I've noticed is that some of them are females.

What I've noticed on Facebook recently is the number of vocal ex-muslims atheist up north. I find it very astonishing.

greatnaija01:
pls complete the post with the pastor's reply else close this thread..... A FOOL IS THE ONE WHO SAYS THERE IS NO GOD.

A bigger fool is the one that says there is a God.

Johnydon22 see wetin you don cause abi?

Why are you honouring a person with obvious mental illness with a topic? The best thing is to read his nonsense, laugh and move on.

By the way, where is KingEbukasBlog?

adepeter2027:
And what if they're same person using different IDs?

Impossible is nothing.

hopefulLandlord:
I admire Agentofallah's way with words first and his scientific knowledge second

Agent of Allah reminds me of KAG who was an old moniker with erudite scientific knowledge and his kind of sense of humor.

So this butterflyliar has been caught liking and sharing his own post.

Instead of hiding his head in shame he is still here trying to justify is foolishness they same way he was bragging about his mental illness as if it's sone kind of achievement. I used to think that only Felixmoron was that stupid.

hahn:
I wonder why no one include ife. He is surely on his way to the market

Billy is on a whole different level compared to Ife.

johnydon22:
people viewing this thread raises lots of eyebrows though, check and see if there is something weird here or is it just me?

Same stupid gimmicks they play always. Learn not to take them seriously jare.

Billy and his new age madness.

hopefulLandlord:
lol

I've changed my mind. Am now in Allah's heaven chilling with my Harem of houris. You can keep hailing and praising Yahweh for ever while am here with my uncountable houris having mindless orgies with my heavenly virgins, there's also rivers of wine here, enough shayo for eternity. We use flying mats here for movement.