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butterflylion:
Stop pretending that your OP isn't as silly as you are.

Stop trying to shift the goalpost. Stay on your OP.

This is not about me it's about your claim that God wanted those things for himself or have you forgotten your OP?

Has you desperate deception made you forget your own OP?

EL Shadai or all sufficient also means the one that provides or supplies needs and HE (GOD) ALREADY SUPPLIED AND PROVIDED FOR THE PEOPLE. So he is simply asking that they take from HIS provision for HIS work.

Selflessness being taught and needs being met A good way to teach how to kill 2 birds with one stone.

I also asked you, When did atheism appear to you personally and tell you that you should go about trying to make people disbelieve God? Did atheism personally give you this assignment which you have been doing now woefully for the past 9years on Nairaland?

Are you not also following a tradition synonymous with atheism? A system of unbelief created in you by men. Or have you forgotten your atheism was given to you by Germans?

butterflylion:
Let me repeat my post because your mumu don do.


Can you show me where it was stated in your cherry picked quoted scriptures that this was meant for the tabernacle and not for God himself? Have you forgotten your OP? These scriptures you posted were to demonstrate that God wanted it for himself. IT WAS UNTIL I POSTED THE ENTIRE PORTIONS YOU DECEPTIVELY LEFT OUT THAT MADE YOU NOW AGREE IT IS FOR THE TABERNACLE AND NOT GOD.

so now your silly question is WHY SHOULD AN ALL SUFFICIENT GOD EVEN ASK FROM PEOPLE AT ALL.

YOU ARE SUCH A LIAR AND A DECEIVER!

When you lack the ability to admit that I have trashed your OP the only thing you can do is keep repeating that my comment is "trash".

I know it hurts but your OP has been buried!

I even had to take you to the meaning of all sufficient aka EL SHADAI so you would understand or at least "pretend " to understand why God "after" providing for them would then ask that they take from HIS PROVISION and bless people with.

Since you are denying the obvious then your confusion is definitely on autopilot as I already said

butterflylion:
The one lying here is you!

You deceptively cherry picked scripture to back up your nonsensical OP but I put ALL the parts your deceptively left out so everyone can see and from that you can see the reason behind His asking them to bring.

First you said God asked them to bring to Him but after I posted the parts you deliberately left out you now agreed it's for the tabernacle but still insist that why would an all sufficient God asking for this despite being shown what all sufficient aka EL SHADAI meant. Your desperate lies are pathetic.

When did atheism appear to you personally and tell you that you should go about trying to make people disbelieve God? Did atheism personally give you this assignment which you have been doing now woefully for the past 9years on Nairaland?

butterflylion:
When you lack the ability to admit that I have trashed your OP the only thing you can do is keep repeating that my comment is "trash".

I know it hurts but your OP has been buried!

I even had to take you to the meaning of all sufficient aka EL SHADAI so you would understand or at least "pretend " to understand why God "after" providing for them would then ask that they take from HIS PROVISION and bless people with.

Since you are denying the obvious then your confusion is definitely on autopilot as I already said.

butterflylion:
If you cannot believe me whom you can feel and touch is it a God you cannot touch or see that you would believe?

God needs to speak with you in a way and manner you would understand. Yet you reject it. Is it when he speaks to you in a language unknown to you that you would understand and believe?

butterflylion:
Your confusion is on autopilot.

What does ALL SUFFICIENT mean?

In Hebrew this title is El-Shaddai. El means the Strong One, the Mighty One, and Shaddai, implying the meaning of breast, udder, means all-sufficient. El-Shaddai is the Mighty One with an udder, the Mighty One who has the all-sufficient supply. An udder produces milk, and the milk is the all-sufficient supply, having water, minerals, and many vitamins in it and containing all that we need for our daily living. So El-Shaddai means the all-sufficient Mighty One.

Milk entails health, abundance, plenty. Remember when God told Moses he was taking them to A LAND FLOWING WITH MILK AND HONEY? he meant a land of PLENTY, ABUNDANCE and peace.

Clearly you can see from the full scriptures I posted which you initially cherry picked to try and defend your confusion with, you can see God telling them TO BRING FROM WHAT HE HAS BLESSED THEM WITH. That is what El Shaddai or all sufficient is all about.

He provides for them and then asks that they use it to be of help to others. He is both training them in selfless living and also meeting the need of those who lack among them.

butterflylion:
Your comment is like the conversation the rich man had with Abraham as said in Luke 16 : 27 - 32

27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house,

28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’

29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’

30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’

31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”

How many times have you ever believed all you were told be it personally or over the television?

Even now you are being offered a broadcast through me and you still deny and reject it so if you cannot believe a fellow human whom you see is it a God you do not see that you can believe WITHOUT FAITH?

Deicide:
Like seriously ask person one he day answer 40

butterflylion:
25 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Tell the Israelites to bring me an offering. You are to receive the offering for me from everyone whose heart prompts them to give. 3 These are the offerings you are to receive from them: gold, silver and bronze; 4 blue, purple and scarlet yarn and fine linen; goat hair; 5 ram skins dyed red and another type of durable leather[a]; acacia wood; 6 olive oil for the light; spices for the anointing oil and for the fragrant incense; 7 and onyx stones and other gems to be mounted on the ephod and breastpiece.

8 “Then have them make a sanctuary for me, and I will dwell among them. 9 Make this tabernacle and all its furnishings exactly like the pattern I will show you.




Again you can see that the demand was for the building of the tabernacle which today the tabernacle of God is the hearts of men which was why Jesus said what he said in Mathew 25: 31 -45

onyenze123:
what butterflylion is saying is different from what some pastors are saying and they are all correct according to the bible

butterflylion:
The mere fact that you have nothing further to say as a rebuttal to my comment rather than repeatedly saying "it's trashy" goes to show your OP has been trashed.

You see, any right thinking person knows that SCRIPTURE EXPLAINS SCRIPTURE!

if you pick out a single line of scripture and claim it is erroneous then to justify your claim you need to go back to where it was first spoken in scripture and what conditions were present when that was done.

I took you back to what God meant tithes for and why and that alone defeats your OP which claimed God was asking for tithes FOR HIMSELF.

However I did not stop there. I had to also teach you the purpose for tithing and also show you that God himself declared in Psalm 50:10-12,

“For every beast of the forest is Mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills. I know all the birds of the mountains, and the wild beasts of the field are Mine. If I were hungry, I would not tell you; for the world is Mine, and all its fullness.”

What would a God who owns everything then need your tithes for? He already declared who it is meant for but of course as expected you would deny that even after I already itemised it for you in my response thus:

Numbers 18:20-21,“Then the LORD said to Aaron: “You shall have no inheritance in their land, nor shall you have any portion among them; I am your portion and your inheritance among the children of Israel. “Behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tithes in Israel as an inheritance in return for the work which they perform, the work of the tabernacle of meeting.



Deuteronomy 14:22-23, “You must tithe all of your crops every year. Bring this tithe to eat before the Lord your God at the place he shall choose as his sanctuary; this applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn of your flocks and herds


Are those not also found in your Bible version or are those pages missing?

butterflylion:
It's called trashing your OP

butterflylion:
You somehow had to include that pastors speak "on behalf of God" in that scripture when the scripture speaks for itself and it's history is also found in the same scripture.

Numbers 18:20-21, NKJV. “Then the LORD said to Aaron: “You shall have no inheritance in their land, nor shall you have any portion among them; I am your portion and your inheritance among the children of Israel. “Behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tithes in Israel as an inheritance in return for the work which they perform, the work of the tabernacle of meeting.



Deuteronomy 14:22-23, “You must tithe all of your crops every year. Bring this tithe to eat before the Lord your God at the place he shall choose as his sanctuary; this applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn of your flocks and herds.

You can clearly see God first say the tithe is for the levites and also say that it's for the people. So where did He say it was for himself?


Psalm 50:10-12, NKJV. “For every beast of the forest is Mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills. I know all the birds of the mountains, and the wild beasts of the field are Mine. If I were hungry, I would not tell you; for the world is Mine, and all its fullness.”

Anything about tithes and offerings simply is God trying to teach us to put him first and since God is love it means we are being asked to put love first.

1st John 4: 7-8 "Beloved let us love one another, for love is of God and everyone that loves is born of God, the one who does not love does not know God, for God is love."

1st John 4:20

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Jesus in confirmation said this in Mathew 25: 31 -45

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

I am sure you can see Jesus talking about our actions (be they positive or negative) towards our fellow humans as being done unto him. Would you also say Jesus was the one in jail, hungry, in prison, homeless, without clothes?. God is simply teaching us how to love and be selfless.

Try and understand scripture before opening threads.

Cc hahn.

Cc Nuhvey

butterflylion:
Can you back up your claims with evidence scripturally?

I need to see where God begs people for money where he says they "rob him because they refuse to give to him" and then we would discuss it from there.

hahn:
Your god better get a job and stop begging upandan. God of bambi allahs. Omni begging god

hahn:
...When Jesus finally comes

Christians:

Nuhvey:
How does this correlate with the Op?

GoodMuyis:
Calm Down, Dont Rush Wait and See
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Because God deserve it,
Parents have strength of their own yet they sent the children on errand does that make them less a parent?

mrwonlasewonie:
there is a song that I sing a lot

"For I know my Redeemer lives,let all creation testify let this life within me cry that I know my Redeemer lives to take away my shame,he lives forever I'll proclaim"

That song is real

alBHAGDADI:
It will definitely sound like lies to someone like you who hates Christianity and ready to kill it as commanded by his religion. Go online and see the tonnes of people converting from Islam to Christianity in the Middle East. The awesome part is that they had encounters with Jesus Christ himself.

If not for the apostasy law in Islam as commanded by Mohammad himself that Muslims should kill any person that leaves Islam, many ex-muslims would have come on national TV to testify about their new faith in Christ. But for fear of their life, they can't. Even when they write their stories online, the change their identity for safety purpose.

Why would you kill anyone for leaving Islam? Is it your life?

mrwonlasewonie:
lol.smh.you Will soon find out

mrwonlasewonie:
lol.we all have access and the free privilege to communicate with God through prayer,if you really want to know you can get on your knees and ask God to reveal the answer to you sir

mrwonlasewonie:
yes the Bible says whatever we ask in God's name he'll give it unto us.yes I can ask God to tell me who Cains wife was and the omnipotent God who sees all things and knows all things will reveal them unto me but for now my own life issues are a major priority to me now

Secondly the tithe money was not meant for personal enrichment it was meant for fulfilling the work of God on earth through evangelism,maintenance of church bus and equipments used in winning souls to Christ,charity works for God like paying hospital bills of the critically sick ,scholarships for the children of God who cannot afford to go to school, feeding and empowering the widows, helping the abled bodied men and women in church get a job so that they too can be empowered to do great things for God,sponsoring the trips of envangelists for crusades,feeding and hotel bills.that's what the tithe is actually meant for and not for other things

frank317:
But u are also making Christianity look like a joke already...how can u accept Cain getting a wife from God knows where only to wait until u die before u reason if it makes sense. Why wait till u die to ask God? I thought u pray and he answers u.. why not pray and ask him to tell u where Cain got his wife. If u can't ask him now why ask him after death? I think u are a huge joke.

hahn:
Existed where?

Martinez19:
the problem is will they listen?

hahn:
Tell that to people who think the modafucker actually existed

1Sharon:
Lying OP