dalaman:


What are the methods? How do we know which method is correct and which is false? Most religions also say that they were divinely revealed.

akintom:


Let me assume that you are sincere here.

Let's look dispassionately now at issue of god idea, and specifically its existence.

The human existential and essential experience, thrives on belief system - the mental process that helps humans to know and establish what the think is true. Be it tangible or in tangible.

The god idea (theism) happened to be one of the beliefs that humans developed in an attempt to resolve their perplexity, about some phenomenon they couldn't provide rational and empirical evidence for. This was due to ignorance and knowledge level.

At the exact time that this god idea/theory emerged, the belief that also rejected this belief emerged as well (atheism).

The beliefs (atheistic) that were put forward, to replace the rejected beliefs (theistic), subscribe to reason and objective explanations, as against the theistic views that were completely founded on assumptions and subliminal.

Can you respond to this pls.....

dalaman:


Proof of what claim? I have told you to show me the God that exist in its own without human input. Will you show me that God already and stop crying all over the place?

randomperson:

This is not good enough and u know it... Why not tell him secret things about his life... Like his age, name of his gf, his ful name... The holy spirit can do that right? Am guessing you have the holy spirit

dalaman:


Going by your assertion all the different religions that claim God communicated with their founders and is communicating with their members are all correct right?

jonbellion:
he also has kids

ScepticalPyrrho:
I love your enthusiasm when you talk about God.

Which of the Gods are you talking about?

PDBonline:
I NOTICE PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO RESORT TO PERSONAL ATTACKS AND NAME CALLINGS. PLEASE LET'S STOP THAT AND FOCUS ON THE ISSUE.

ALSO, IF YOU ARE GOING TO START DEMANDING EVIDENCE FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S FAITH IN GOD AS AN ATHEIST OR AGNOSTIC KINDLY EXIT THIS THREAD. IT WAS OPENED THE EXAMINE YOU CLAIMS NOT OTHERS' CLAIMS.

randomperson:

Is this a joke?? How are the people who DENY the prosecution... Is it not the prosecution who say He is guilty? That's equivalent to God exists... The defense claims he is NOT guilty, the atheists claim God does NOT exists!!

LiberaDeus:


Christian warrior, when are you starting your ministry?

I know you are such a wonderful miracle worker, the next thing would be for you to open a church.

You exhibit the worst qualities in a supposed christian. You dont even hide your behavior at all. Well i know that in religion, any and everything can be justified.

LiberaDeus:


Dont mind the retarded people.

Just like i look at a field and i dont see anything and you look at the same field and you see a garden, baseball court and a house.

Please who should do the describing in this case ? is it not the person that claims he sees everything. That person should point where all the objects he sees are not the person that is allegedly blind to it.

The people go to church every weekend and midweek, they pay their tithes, they pray, prophesy, speak in tongues and they expect atheists to do the describing for them.

They are now telling atheists to prove that there is no god in the universe while thy cant present their god to anyone unless the person agrees to believe before they prove it. What a stupid copout.

Instead of them to use this opportunity to present evidence for their god and prove once and for all to all ears that their delusion is real.
For once let them act like elijah and the prophets of baal.

ScepticalPyrrho:
So much frustration...

I'll recommend you read your post over again, then reassess your position.

Assume all the above questions were directed at you concerning your life-dedication to a religion you aren't sure of.

Can you answer them?

randomperson:

No. .. The prosecution would have to prove the merits and elements of the crime you accused of... The burden of proof is entirely on the prosecution.... If the prosecution has concluded his case, the defense can enter a no-case submission and if that his rejected then he can raise any of the AFFIRMATIVE defenses like alibi, intoxication, insanity e.t.c. it's called presumption of innocence and it was established in the case of Woolmington vs DPP

ScepticalPyrrho:
Hello, this is nairaland.

Now, if you guys aren't bullshitting, why do you expect a person who has no belief in the existence of something to provide a proof for his claim.

The op is a lame attempt to push the burden on all of your fellow faithfuls to present proofs for something you dedicate your time, energy and sweat worshiping.

Common, you guys are being ridiculous.

It's a shame though.

You guys should really stop further embarrassment and show some respect to human intellect.

dalaman:


Where does it state that they communicate with humans. That is what we are talking about. Try and understand the context of primitive in science. Bacteria are primitive organisms scientifically speaking.

Now back to the topic do you communicate with God?

dalaman:


Bacteria is a primitive organism. Their mode of communication with each other is primitive and basic. They don't engage in complex communication.

Gods are man made ideal that is why most clans have invented their own Gods. The one you worshiped was once known as Yahwah the God of the Jews before he later evolved to the God of everybody through actions and inputs of men. Answer my question. Do you still communicate with God?

LiberaDeus:


You just dey scatter vex everywhere. Behave more like your christ please

randomperson:
This thing is so obvious and straight forward, it's painful it has to be pointed out... A major principle of procedural law is that the burden of proof is on he who asserts not he who denies... It never happens that you asked to prove the negative

dalaman:


It is a lie, you are lying. Bacteria do communicate with each the and their communication is very primitive. It is mainly done to know size and distance between each other. They can not communicate with human beings the way a dolphin or a dog can because of their primitiveness.

LiberaDeus:



I never your called your personal experience false.
Your personal experience is real very very real. But if it can't affect me then it is just subjective to you.

There is a difference between saying you have a burning feeling in your stomach and claiming that fire is burning on your stomach.
If you have a burning feeling then it is your feeling and I understand that and you understand that I do, we know it can be caused by so many things and i can also experience that burning feeling too.

But when you claim that real fire is burning your stomach now. Not a feeling but real flames then there must be an effect on the surrounding environments especially if I am around you. If you claim something is real and it can't affect reality in any way then it is only real to you and you alone.

I don't just choose to disbelieve or believe your personal experiences. I reject them as my truth because they do not alter reality only when I believe them. Your experiences are based on faith and faith alone.

I don't choose to believe. That's what I used to do when I was a Christian. Choosing to believe in something.
The reasonable thing is to accept something as fact because of incontrovertible evidence that can't be denied.

Stop claiming that we lack capacity to know. Any one can claim that for any false and fraudulent claim. Its also not my fault that you lack capacity to know that there is a pink unicorn flying over Lagos now. Inability to know does not equal impossibility as you claim so don't disbelieve the fact that there is a pink unicorn over Lagos now.

Don't you think it is outright arrogance for you to claim that a finite human being like you claims to know and have a relationship with the creator of a universe that spans over a trillion trillion miles in diameter.
It is very arrogant for you to claim to know what mankind has sought over thousands of years and still not provide an iota of objective proof that would not depend on blind faith.

Can't you see that faith is mental weakness. With faith, all things can be true and proven and all things can be false and disproved too.
In your world anything is possible, any and everything that happens to be mentioned in your holy book is elevated as fact no matter how absurd it sounds.
In my world, fact and truth must be strong enough to be undeniable . I don't believe in cheap facts or truth that are elevated in your mind because you helped it to become true by denying every contradiction and using blind faith.

Am still waiting for when you will dedicate a thread to show how your god is the one true god out of all the god concepts

Deicide:

I love Tomhagan he Is more Good at this Detective job It seams like the Holy spirit guildes him more than he does you or who knows it might just be common sense..... And just because you do it loging with all your 10+ accounts in one thread and answering yourself, doesnt mean others do it to!

Remember not Everyone is like You!

dalaman:


Where did I claim that bacteria can not communicate? I said it can not communicate with man. It is a primitive organism. Do you communicate with God as you have claimed many times?

Blackbolt:

lol no mind them

dalaman:


Will you stop shootin blanks and telling lies? Where did I say a bacteria can not communicate? Pls show me. I said a bacteria doesn't have a brain as such it can't communicate with a human being. You clined some.people said we can not communicate with Dolphins. Who are the people that made that claim.or were you lying is usual?

Deicide:
Oh boy Now am You and also NinjaX

dalaman:


The bacteria has no mind. It has no brain.

God is spirit but you guys claim to be in contact with him. You claim you talk and communicate with it. The God of the bible says that humans should come and reason together with him. You seem to be hiding your God under the this elusive relm of the spiritual.

dalaman:


Who said man can not communicate with Whales of Dolphins? Show me thepersonally that said that. A bacteria doesn't have a brain. It is a singke cell organism that is primitive. How can a human being communicate with such an organism. If you say it is possible then let me know how. By the way do you communicate with God?

dalaman:


I have already given you a very clear cut work. If you know any God that exist on its own without human input point to it.

dalaman:


A bacteria can not communicate with a human being. Gods are said to communicate with human beings. You on your own have claimed to be communicating with God. I can ask you specific questions about your claim and it will show that you are lying and you are not in communication with any thing m you are only communicating with your imaginations. So do you communicate with God. Yes or no?

dalaman:


I don't need to interview anybody. The existence of various Gods and the fact that men do everything for the Gods alone shows that men created them all. Show me any God that exist on its own without the input of men. Show me that God.