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Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 12:20pm On Dec 16, 2016
Edenoscar:


Cherrypicker spotted cool

Show me where i cherrypicked
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 12:20pm On Dec 16, 2016
Dalaman i am still waiting for you to give me a list of theists you have offered assistance here on Nairaland.

Deicide aka NinjaX aka eyehategod aka fsms aka pastafarians you can also give me your own list
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 12:18pm On Dec 16, 2016
4kings:

Nope, uncle Dalaman don't waste his time "blasting religion" in that sense, he only address logical issues. tongue

There is nothing logical about his position. His humanistic claim has destroyed all that. If he believes man has a right to give his life his own meaning and his own shape isnt the same mans logical position part of what gives his life meaning and shape?

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Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 12:16pm On Dec 16, 2016
Deicide:

That's Not Why i Called you A Hypocrite...

So why did you? is it because i call you a coward? A liar? Stupid? A deceiver?

Are you none of those things?
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 12:14pm On Dec 16, 2016
LightandDarkness:


Nice one. When you're out putting homosexuals to death like your bible says lemme know k

And how many homosexuals have you seen Christians put to death? Are you a homosexual?
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 12:13pm On Dec 16, 2016
felixomor:


Hmm.
That one only offers memes.
Nothing more.

Memes and typing before thinking

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Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 12:12pm On Dec 16, 2016
Deicide:

Why Are you obsessed With me na? Learn to keep your Emotions In check

You called me a hypocrite because dalaman asked me to mention atheists i have offered help here on NL. You tagged me a hypocrite because you thought i have never done so. Well i have given you my answer.

Now you as an atheist how many theists have you offered help here on NL.

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Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 12:10pm On Dec 16, 2016
felixomor:



Dem no come
Or sorry dem no dey.
grin

I have offered him monikers in response to his question. He should let me know the theists he has offered help to here on NL as an atheist
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 12:06pm On Dec 16, 2016
felixomor:



Dem no come
Or sorry dem no dey.
grin

Dalaman loves making hasty generalizations and refuses to see good being done. He has conditioned himself to block out the good being done by theists but to see only bad.

Let him now ask me how many muslims i have offered help on Nairaland since i have given him a few atheists i could remember.
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 12:00pm On Dec 16, 2016
dalaman:


It is still subjective because only christians subscribe to it. HIndus do not subscribe or agree to it for example. Even amongchristians. Many do not agree to it and as such they do not.practice it.






Name the atheist you have offered help to here on NL. All I know is that your insults and the hate you have shown the atheist here shows that you do not like them. You have never opened any thread caking for atheist to be prayed for and when the atheist insult or ridicule you, you always pay them back immediately. You have failed in that regards. Your post and activities here speak for themselves.

CeoMYN is an atheist whom i offered help.

Mistergrace was an atheist i offered help

Grizzlybear was an atheist i offered help

etc


As a humanist how many theists have you offered help here on NL?

cc Deicide aka eyehategod aka fsms aka NinjaX aka pastafarians

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Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 11:48am On Dec 16, 2016
LightandDarkness:


Lol again we both think your religion is rubbish. Move along.

Well at least they have one up on you since they believe in God outside religion so see your irrationality is insanity.
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 11:45am On Dec 16, 2016
dalaman:


It is not only subjective but it is false. If it is objective it will have universal acceptance. It is false because Christains themselves do not adhere to it. Any christian that I offend and slap will definitely slap me back. Christians do not love their neighbors as they love their selves. Take a.look at what is happening in the church today. If I go and steal.what belongs to a christian he will not give me.another of his.possession instead he'll call the cops on me. If he can he'll beat the hell out of me. The this written inside the bible are not only subjective but false because christians do not even adhere to them. They can't because it is impossible. Of someone steals your phone you will not give him.the other one but you'll quckily try to call the authoritit's on him.


No! Christianity is a personal experience with God based on 1 singular principle. When i speak, i speak as a Christian. Universally Christianity is objective as it originates from one principle which is Christ and Christ has shown us how to live.

If you walk into a church to steal, and you get caught why did you even walk in to steal in the first place. Of course you would be forgiven by genuine christians but the fake ones would want to lynch you which is not what Christ prescribed when confronted with the woman caught in the act of adultery. He said he does not condemn her.


You speak emotionally and make hasty generalizations on every turn.

Remember the last time Reinhardt Bonnke was in Nigeria, He happened upon a man who was caught stealing at isolo and was about to be lynched by a mob. He was passing through in his entourage and the crowd made him stop. He rescued the man and took the man with him to germany and today that same man is preaching the gospel of Jesus.

I suggest you stop making hasty generalizations. Those who follow the teachings of Christ are unseen by you because you choose to only see those who do not follow so you can use them to continue convincing yourself that you were right by being a humanist

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Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 11:37am On Dec 16, 2016
dalaman:


All these are found in the bible but the reality is how many christians practice them. It is impossible to practice them. Christians do not pray for their enemies or show them love instead they pray to their God to protect them from their enemies and cast them away. Those that are strong destroy their enemies and chase them down
.


Its not about practice its about Gods instruction. Does practice or a lack of fit erase an existing instruction to do so? Does breaking or not breaking the law erase the law? I for one practice it so use me as a yardstick.


Another nonsense talk. You can not love your neighbour as you love yourself. You as an individual can not do that. Even here on NL you are always insulting a this people that are your neighbours and whom.you consider to be enemies. You call them names and insult them instead of.praying for them and showing them love. So you see the Christian love you talk about is a myth and can not be practiced by anybody. You yourself have failed in that regard. All your post and insults against the atheist who you consider to be your emenies have shown that even you can not love your enemies and pray for them. Yoi do not love thrle atheist on NL and you have never opened a.topic urging anybody to ptay for threm.You give them exactly as they give you.

So sad really! Do you know how many atheists i have offered help right here on NL? Do you know how many of them have actually accepted that help? If i speak it does not mean i hate...If it were true should i be even having this convo with you even after you repeatedly ignorantly called me a liar on other threads?
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 11:33am On Dec 16, 2016
Dalaman do you believe that mankind itself is a part of an uncreated, eternal nature?
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 11:30am On Dec 16, 2016
Dalaman this below clearly shows you the objectivity in Christianity. Its not based on emotions it is impersonal and non-discriminatory.

Bless those that curse you, Pray for them that despitefully use you. Bless...do not curse for sweet and bitter water cannot flow from the same source.
Love your neighbour as yourself. If your enemy asks you for a cup of water, give him...etc

All those are found in the Bible. So God is not interested in what your neighbour did or if they disrespected your religious beliefs, He has already commanded the above thereby fulfilling the 2 golden rules of loving God with everything in you and loving your neighbour AS YOURSELF.
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 11:26am On Dec 16, 2016
dalaman:


You are the one that lied that Religion gives human an objective meaning to life until I called you out and showed you that it is not true. You can give what ever meaning and purpose you chose to ascribe to your life. It remains subjective. I disagree with his philosophy in life but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have the right to hold it. After all in reality what ever meaning we ascribe to our lives are all subjective. As such we can only disagree with each other. That doesn't mean that any of us holds any objective meaning or purpose to life. It's all subjective.

I did not lie about Objectivity in Religion. You chose to see it from a humanistic angle. I stand by my declaration. Your opinion does not change that.
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 11:24am On Dec 16, 2016
dalaman:


How can he say that Religion offers a objective purpose and meaning to life and end up spewing that nonsense. Some religions don't have any God or diety in which they worship. Even if you agree that they all have deities sone Diests don't want you to please them. You can not please all your neighbours. What is your neighbour does things that disagrees with your religious beliefs, how can you please him?


Bless those that curse you, Pray for them that despitefully use you. Bless...do not curse for sweet and bitter water cannot flow from the same source.
Love your neighbour as yourself. If your enemy asks you for a cup of water, give him...etc

All those are found in the Bible. So God is not interested in what your neighbour did or if they disrespected your religious beliefs, He has already commanded the above thereby fulfilling the 2 golden rules of loving God with everything in you and loving your neighbour AS YOURSELF.

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Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 11:19am On Dec 16, 2016
dalaman:


You stating something that is false doesn't make it true. The reason that christianity gives your life is different from that which Islam gives to the life of a muslim for example. Both are subjective. The is NO objective meaning of life. You just stated your own subjective meaning of life that your religion gives you, the at meaning differs greatly to the meaning another religion gives another person. I did not bother to attack the reason you gave because there was no need to. We as humans stand against things we disagree with. It's a human thing that we all do.

Oga stop being mega dishonest. How does the meaning of life offered by a Muslim or a Christian change the fact that THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO GIVE MEANING AND SHAPE to their own lives which you being a self professed humanist ought to know.

Its not about it being true or false its about WHAT MAKES THEM HAPPY AND WHAT GIVES MEANING AND SHAPE TO THEIR LIVES. A true humanist does not dabble into things of this nature as they respect the rights of others to giving meaning to their lives which was why i was surprised you said grizlybears meaning to his life was false.

Are you sure you are a humanist or you just said that to dodge a bullet?
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 11:10am On Dec 16, 2016
dalaman:


Humans have always been the source and law givers to themselves. There is no standard to all purpose and meaning of life since they are all subjective.



Religion does NOT offer any objective meaning to life. Your own religion offers its subjective meaning to your life and the life of those that subscribe to it. The meaning and purpose of the life of a muslims, Hindu and Buddhist for example are all different from.yours. Your religion is not the only religion around there are many other differentreligions. So religious meaning and purpose of life are all subjective.



I did. I clearly told him that I disagreed with his position and we debated it. His position is senseless to me.


Since you are fixated on this idea that Religion offers subjective meaning to life even when i tell you its Objective. Since you believe its subjective which is in line with your humanistic worldview which GIVES ME A RIGHT TO GIVE MEANING OR SHAPE to my life why then do you stand against Religion or my beliefs which give meaning to my life?

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Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 11:03am On Dec 16, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Absence of belief in God or lack of belief in God is Implicit Atheism and this has been criticized and delineated as false and deceptive . Explicit atheism which is the conscious rejection of God or disbelief in the existence of God is what atheism is .

That is , there is no such thing as implicit atheism . Implicit atheism is not atheism . It was first suggested in the 18th century by Baron d'Holbach and developed by George Smith in the 1970s .

Atheists mischievously assent to implicit atheism because it makes babies and people who have no knowledge of God(gods) look like atheists. Implicit atheism is false .

That is why Diagoras of Melos is historically regarded as the first atheist not Buddha , or Jain or Confucius or instigators of religions who have no deities that were born before Diagoras . Atheists can fall in comfortably as adherents of those religions because they don't involve gods .

Do you now understand ? Its all about learning bro . Accept truth and reject lies .

cc : Dalaman

You just gave him an explanation beyond his understanding grin

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Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 10:52am On Dec 16, 2016
Deicide:

So it's not About Explaining Atheism undecided

Always typing before thinking
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 10:50am On Dec 16, 2016
dalaman:


I admit that meaning and purpose of life is subjective. The meaning and purpose all humans give to their lifeet is subjective. That is a fact. I also admit that my disagreement with the meaning and purpose grizzly bear ascribe to his life is subjective. Just the same way your disagreement with the purpose and meaning a Hindu or a muslims ascribes to his/her life is subjective. There is NO objective meaning and purpose to life. If there is STATE IT. Tell me what it is.

Since you agree that humanism is a quagmire of confusion which is simply emotional and subjective and infers that man determines his happiness and his direction in life which could be in a zig zag manner as they deem fit or in a shoot and kill manner which they also deem fit then how is your morality rated? Personally? If personally, by what standards? If by the law then who rated the law in the first place if you say the human law giver then who rated the human law givers source of the law he gave?

Religion offers an OBJECTIVE meaning to life and that is to please God and please your neighbours (others) but you are focused on only pleasing yourself as a humanist and by extension others if those paths cross but your position as someone who does not know how we got here yet you reject religious creationism even when that is an option to how we got here is a bit dishonest.

This is probably why even on grizlybears thread you never offered to help him out of his wicked thinking but even you saw sense in what he wrote. True?

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Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 10:38am On Dec 16, 2016
dalaman:


I do not need to know how I got here to give my life purpose. I find meaning and purpose from the things around me. Am a humanist and I do not need to know why I am here to give my life meaning and purpose. The why and how I got here has nothing to do with humanism. You have to show me why my life must ONLY have meaning and purpose when I know why and how I came into existence. You must show how that applies to all humans and if all humans agree to that.

Humanism is a democratic and ethical life stance, [b]which affirms that human beings have the right and responsibility to give meaning and shape to their own lives[/b]

So why did you call grizlybears meaning to his life a FALSE ONE?

if you have the right to give meaning and shape to YOUR OWN LIFE how then are you able to rate your rights and your wrongs and is a humanistic view not subjective? Can your meaning to life not be meaningless to another humanist? Can your idea of right not be wrong to another humanist? If a humanist decides to become a serial killer because that gives MEANING AND SHAPE to his life is he wrong?

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Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 10:23am On Dec 16, 2016
dalaman:


What has purpose God to do with why I got here? The purpose of my life is what I chose to.make of it. I can not stop using religious example because that is the only way I can explain to you and make you understand that you have no point at all. What is the purpose of the life of a muslim ? It is to submit to Allah's will as a loyal slave. What is the purpose of life of a Buddhist? To achieve nirvana. Life own is own has no purpose the purpose of life is what ever you chose to make of it. That is why life has different purpose to different individuals. If you disagree then tell me the universally accepted purpose of human life and show me how it is universally accepted.

Hasty generalization! Please answer my question directly and stop being dodgy
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 10:19am On Dec 16, 2016
dalaman:


Which purpose? What is the universal purpose of life? Life's meaning is what you chose to.make of it and it varies from.religion to religion and from individual to individual. What is the universal purpose and meaning of life that is accepted by all human beings. Tell me.


So since you do not know, how then can you be sure of a purpose you do not know about? If you say life has individual meanings, how can you be sure of your own meaning to life IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW YOU GOT HERE AND WHY?

The above is the question i asked you which you are trying to answer with a question. Answer my question directly. You say you have your own meaning to life which is personal to you. WHY?

You say you do not know how you got here on earth..which means you do not know why as without a WHY the HOW is useless. So how can you justify your personal meaning to life?
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 10:14am On Dec 16, 2016
dalaman:


Yes to me it is false just as you also believe that the meaning muslims ascribe to to life is also false.

You keep using religion to offer pointers. Stick to atheism ..this discussion is on atheism.

So since you do not know how you got here which means you do not know WHY you got here why then do you paint a purpose you are not sure of?
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 10:11am On Dec 16, 2016
Dalaman i am waiting for your reply and while at it link that to this

In furtherance to this dalaman since life has individual meanings yet you say grizlybears individual meaning to his life is a false one can i also say your individual meaning to life is a false one?
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 10:08am On Dec 16, 2016
dalaman:


My position is that something or somethings could be responsible for the existence of the universe. Since nobody has produced and incontrovertible and objective evidenceevidence am happy to say that I do not know. No one truly knows how the universe came.about we can only guess. The reality is we don't know.


So since you do not know how then can you be sure of a purpose you do not know about? If you say life has individual meanings, how can you be sure of your own meaning to life IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW YOU GOT HERE AND WHY?
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 10:05am On Dec 16, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


You just boxed uncle dalaman into an inextricable corner .

They say theists are dumb, We shall see.

In furtherance to this dalaman since life has individual meanings yet you say grizlybears individual meaning to his life is a false one can i also say your individual meaning to life is a false one?

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Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 10:03am On Dec 16, 2016
dalaman:


I don not believe in religious creationism.

So you believe in EVOLUTION or what?
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 10:01am On Dec 16, 2016
Dalaman since you do not believe in RELIGIOUS creationism what creationism do you believe in?
Religion / Re: Religion: An Illusion That Works Well by damogul: 9:59am On Dec 16, 2016
dalaman:


It is because obviously meaning can be drawn from life. I do not believe in religious creationism.

Ok what creationism do you believe in?

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