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ghazzal: This is about language and not islam. translation from one language to another can never be perfect. It is enough reason to doubt the english bible too. Try using Google translate and see the options it will give you during translation of some words.

Some words in a language can have over 3 meanings in another language. When you now traslate sequentially to 4 different languagees, immagine if the content will not almost be lost. The Quran is simply preserved in it original language and that in itself is a miracle whether you like it or not. among the oldest maniscript that still retains its original language.

the Hebrew and greek Bible is still there...u must not get it word4word,just understand what God is saying...! I know u are not fluent in Arabic.i hope u are not trying to tell me u are using the photocopy of what u say was revealed to muhammed,stop saying u have the original copy of the quran.

ogaju007: A blind man blogging that must be one of the stupid miracles you guys will cheer to in church. Brainless idiot.

when the Devil blinds your mind,your eyes becomes useless!

m.k.o2005:
Thank u sir ! If God sees me as condemend,HE alone can repair me !
May God bless u
God help us all !

i dey feel u guy.thanks!

ogaju007: Guy you're ffdd up beyond repair.

and you are blind. The guy is make deep points with good insight.

rusher14: This is not a competition between religions, so I can only plead with you to ignore any inflammatory text.
What we have here are actions that are quite divisive, tearing apart the very fabric upon which Christianity was founded: brotherly love, trust, fellowship and belief in one God who sent His son Jesus Christ to this world to die for our sins.
Once we lose this we have lost everything and believe me we are tending towards a precipice.
We can pretend all we want but the facts are our actions speak louder than any words we preach.

am not defending pastors,but its owning private jet a sin becos they are men of God? Remember during the time of Jesus on earth people still remain poor due to their mindset and decision.take it or leave it jet or no jet many people will be poor.poverty shouldnt stop the growth of other people.the greatest message anyone can get is the message of christ.

MALLAMS ARE NOT USING PRIVATE JETS BUT MUSLIMS(alimajiri) ARE ON THE STREET BEGGING ALL OVER THE NATION...WHATS HAPPENING

WELLDONE CHURCH AUDITORS.

chukwudi44: Typical mindset of the average pentecostal minister.its all about money!! Money!! and nothing else.

The Roman catholic church to date is still more than 10,000 times richer than these 'mushroom' churches yet the ministers would rather devote their monies to charities and living humble lives as oppossed to these charlatans.

They keep mentioning about their churches in disapora,how many members do RCCG,LFC or even Oritsejafor churches have in dispora? I keep hearing about presence in 160 countries but do they have any dignificant presence in these countries?

St Paul the greatest missionary in history did not use private jets to succced neither did st Francis Xavier,st patrick,David Livingstone and other great missionary workers.

These men have converted far more souls in remote locations than these private jet pastors.How many countries have Oyedepo,Adeboye and Oritsejafor introduced christianity to? How many souls have they won outside nigeria with their private jets

you can't stay on naijapals and see their efforts.

Logical: According to you right? An assumption without evidence of the Palestinian people saying thats all they want. You have the right to assume whatever you want to assume, but until you have substantial evidence to back those assumptions, its just a myth. Everybody can say this, can say that, to support their reasons for supporting be it the Palestinians or the Israelites.

Call them freedom fighters or call them terrorists. Call them whatever you choose to. You may stand on the side of Shimon Peres and George Bush and view them as the greatest obstacle to peace in Palestine, or you may choose to look through the eyes of the Palestinians who saw in him the hope of liberation and deliverance from Israeli occupation.

You may choose to remember Ariel Sharon's days as a terrorist, recalling events such as the 1972 Munich Olympic games in which Israeli athletes were murdered or the fact that he was partly responsible for the Israeli invasion and occupation of South Lebanon. You may also choose to recall the fact that the Nobel committee saw in him qualities deserving of a Peace Laureate.

I personally do think both societies deserve to live in peace and harmony, but you may think otherwise and may have your personal vendettas against either side, but all in all whether their reason is because of a vintage temple or territorial. There is one fact that would always be present, the Palestinians are left to suffer and live under sub-human conditions. Each day, Jews are relocated into newly built settlements (or colonies as I prefer to call them) in the West Bank.

The State of Israel is just as guilty. It may not employ suicide bombers (it doesn't need to—its American supplied tanks and F-16s are lethal enough) but it deliberately disenfranchises the Palestinian people, while refusing to abide by international law, which calls for it to return to its pre-defined borders. As long as there is occupation, there would be the rise of several forms of militant, social and ideological movements in Palestine, which would continue to resist such occupation.

I just hope that one day, supporters of either side would be humane to see beyond CNN or BBC or even Al Jazeera.

and press tv

olabowale: @Cgift: {quote]Matthew 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

Jesus too much jo! Yeah! Too much to have been praying for reprieve and being saved from the calamity at the Garden of Geshemine! Too much, that we read that there was a cry of 'My God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?' Why ask why, when you are already ready for the 'Scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?' Can you make any sense of the double talk or the instability of faith here? The death did not happen and therefore there was no scripture to be fulfilled. If any is it is simply to confuse your illfated heart that has no good faith about truth guidance in it.

Bawo ni, Cgift. Ore sha ni wa, abi, omo yaa!

as muslims u claim to respect Jesus but y blasphaming. Where the respect?

9ijaMan: Chalisco,
Why are you trying to harp on the punishment? Why not the cause? I don't think you should bother yourself with the levity of the "punishment" 'because I know you would be wise enough not to act as an impediment to muslims in their act of worship.
As Nuru has explained earlier, you will certainly not be subjected to such "punishment" unless you constitute yourself as a stumbling block for the muslims in our way of worship.
Just as you would not be sent to jail after convicted for commiting a crime, if you have not commited such crime.


Peace

allah has given you authority to Judge.

tinu.tayo:
yet billions of people around the world practise it.

bro, islam is only for muslims and whoever isnt happy about it should hit his/her head on the wall

the road to hell is very wide.

nuru: If your friends indulge in extra-marital sex, it is a great sin because God said in the quran ' Do not move near adultery/fornication'. One of the obligatory acts for any muslim that engages in sex, whether with a lawful partner or not is to observe a ritual bath after the act, otherwise such a person will not be entitled to observe salats i.e. canonical worships peculiar to Islam. He/she is also not entitled to enter any mosque nor touch the Holy Quran among others.

The bath is not called Alwaala, it is called Ghuslu Jannobat'(The bath after Intercourse ).

The bath is not for the forgiveness of sins. For that, the sinner must sicerely ask God for forgivess and pardon with a lot of remorse, and with a resolve not to go back to the sin. Surely God is the Forgiver and Pardoner.

There are several ways of asking forgiveness, one could recite certain formulars, observe voluntary fasting, perform pilgrimage, endow the needy, clean the mosque or do some other works in propagating the Truth and preventing others from falling into same error.

abuse of Grace and mercy. GOD just need ur sincere heart seeking forgiveness. atoning for sin is like trying to pay God.

olabowale: I will ignore the dirty dragging sutana wearer and his antics.

@Chukwudi44: « #8 on: Yesterday at 02:36:42 PM »  
If I show you from the remnant of truth still in the Bible that Islam was the religion of all prophets, including mine truly Jesus bin Mary, what will you do to satisfy by quench, as in your becoming a Muslim? Give me your commitment, man and stand by it.



What was the religion of the companion of Jesus when Jesus was leading them? Were they Christian or not before the same people were called Christians by the people of Antioch, who according to you knew who Jesus was, otherwise it would have been fool hearty to believe that they came up with the name, because the people were Christ like.

If their religion of the disciples was not Christianity during the time of Jesus, did they change religion now that Jesus was no more their leader, and what was the religion before them or they have no religion and you follow them according to you, will be assumed to have no religion then, even though you copied Judaism, clearly a religion, to come up with Christianity?

Were the disciples Christians or not, and did they change religion before they died? When you analyse this above you will know that if Christ like was existing during the time of Jesus, then Islam like was existing long time before Muhammad (AS), even before Ibrahim. There is a reason that the people of Noah were perished in the flood, and it is not because they were not Jews or Christians, but because they disobey Allah by not follwoing prophet Noah (AS). They made jest of his telling them of their future peril in the flood when he was building the boat.

In Surah Kahf, Allah says in verse 106 that the disbelievers will be punished in Hell for making Jest of His signs (Instructions and the Prophet who conveyed the Message).

before Jesus we were living under the Law of moses. Jesus brought Love and Love is Above the Law cause when you have Love you will not break any of the commandments. Christlike is Love!!!

babs787: @Mazaje



Go siddon somewhere, my family and myself were not coerced, forced or whatever into accepting Islam.

1 in a billion.

mazaje: It only shows that the over 1 billion people that practice the religion were gullible enough to subscribe to the LIE. . . By the way over 99 percent of moslems were indoctrinated since childhood when they could not make any decision of their own and they were forced to accept its teachings as the ultimate truth without challenging it at all. . . .

thats why muslim men are allowed to marry non-muslim women so that they can controll women and children for islam population.

4Him: If it were personal why would virtually all arab nations be on the side of the phoney palestinians? Why are muslims in nigeria also on their side? Would it perchance be related to the common denominator here - islam?

Is the fight over Jerusalem "personal" or a matter of islamic doctrine?

Sir i suggest you do a bit of "logical" study on matters you contribute to.

every muslim in the world supports palestinian course and Hamas!!!

olabowale: @Dafidixone: The Salvation in Jesus Christ (as), ended prior to the very first revelation (the 5 verse of Surah Alaq), to Muhammad! So today, the Salvation in Jesus, falls under the salvation in Muhammad (both of them slaves and messengers of God Allah the Almighty)). Hence the salvation in Jesus is ZERO! Those who believe in him and reject Muhammad as the current prophet/messenger are indeed in error.

did muhammed ever told you he's going to heaven or promise you salvation

abrajproperties: terrorist are in every religion! We have terrorist in christians also so answer this question is terrorism in christianity?

the ones history told you or the ones you are hearing in middle east and some african countries,the 9/11 and ones we are experiencing in Nigeria now. Face the reality.

Sweetnecta: truthman2012. dubious as in you putting evil before days, where the truth is days in mine is before misfortune.

misfortune is continuous as just 1 unbroken even from start to finish.

in yours it seems there was a break in the punishment [evil is the end]. and then the punishment begins, again as if there was a rest period.

we know the story of the people of Aad. and their remnant remains which is their lofty homes calved in rocky mountains.

When their punishment began, it did not stop, they were destroyed in one shot; as long as it took.


you see the weakness of translation. you see what happens in versions and editions must be worse than mere translation.


Quran is still in Plain Arabic.

if the quran cannot be clearly explained in another language other than Arabic then islam is for arabs not for the world thats why muslims around the world are struggling.if some claim not to be struggling then they are mixing it with their human knowledge.

Paris-Love:
The bold is what you should have cleared me on before dragging the Holy Bible into this. All the messengers before Muhammad are dead that's what the verse is saying isn't it? Remember Quran's claim to be a clear book (5:15)
easy to understand (44:58, 54:22, 54:32, 54:40) explained in detail (6:114), conveyed clearly , (5:16, 10:15). See no need to drag the bible into this, unless the above verses are false and Quran isn't any of them without the bible or even hadith.

i will respect islam and the quran the day it becomes capable of defending itself without the Bible.

Walexz02: @honeychild abi wetin b ur name sef?
I did nt borther reading all what u quoted.
My advice: If u wanna learn and knw the Holy book(Qur'an) whch has never been revised(nothing comes in and nothing goes out of it) for over thousand years, go and seek for knoledge abt it. All verses of qur'an are nt supplied once and they ar nt supplied at a particular place, each verse is supplied in a particular place and according to a particular situation.
So, u dnt just skip-read the qur'an and stat running ur mouth ok?
It seems the bibles of now adays dt u guy read is disturbing u,ask ur pastors for the original bible(Injil)[nt d ones they hv modified to suit there lifestyle and taste] and u will understand wt the Qur'an is really saying.
*bottom line* seek for knowledge on what u dnt knw dnt just criticize.

which one is original Bible Hebrew written Bible Go and get the Hebrew and English and compare both. The most important thing is getting the message of the gospel.I have Bible in my tribal translation.the Gospel must reach every tribe on the globe,thats the Goal.

kismat: Islam doesnt allow a believing woman to marry a non-believing man but a believing man can marry a christian or a jew (people of the book). I don't know how religious the girl is and i think you'll find yourself in a difficult situation of converting but not knowing why. Is it because of the girl or you trully respect her religion and willing to share he beliefs and totally understand the oneness of God?


As for the friendship and seeking a long term buddy before settling down.you know whenever a female and male seat together, the third person is always the devil/satan. So you'll end up doing two things, either tempted to do something, or pick up on something small which might lead you to call off the whole thing. Marriage is about a contract bidding two people to help each other out and go through the pains/pleasure of life together. if you are sure you want to get married and know that whoever you're interested in has the qualities you're looking for, i would suggest you put your trust in God and go ahead. But as i said, if you're non-believing man interested in a muslim girl, you have a huge task ahead of you.

muslim can marry an unbeliever so that islam can spread well...

olabowale: @Chukwudi44, Mazaje, Kay17: « #3 on: Today at 06:52:38 PM »
Before the bolded, there was Human history, religious History. From definition and analysis of Islam; we see that those who seek the Mercy of Allah, like Adam (AS) were muslims, not Jews not Christians.

We also see that those who obey Allah like Jesus (AS) were muslims, instead of Jew, thugh they may be ethnic Jew/Children of Israil, but not Christians. We see those who fought in the way of Allah like Moses were Muslims, not Christians who dont care to obey God and not Jews in religion.

Mazaje wants virgins, no? At least for a wife or you want old hag, the door mat of the community? Today Norma Polanski is not being sort by the USA for sleeping with a 13 year old girl in 1979, but because he raped her. France a very modern country does not have problem with her age. Switzerland did not have any problem, except that it is looking for a way forward with the US Treasury because of the many accounts of Yanks in secrecy.

And America is not suing or trying anyone because of the age of the girl, except that there were no consents.

F9 0/100

vedaxcool: ^
Do you know his question does not really require significant theological knowledge to refute, in other words this something you can easily refute by doing a simple research using google the same way you probably googled up pictures that where not photo-shop! It is by doing simple research that ones becomes knowledgeable, I bet if you took it as a challenge you would both refute and become more knowledgeable, talk of killing two birds with one stone cause even Lagosshia could decide not to refute this thread or might simply cease posting on NL, so in that case Islam is doomed? No take up challenges like these to improve your knowledge base, Islam as a religion began detorieting in the heart of Muslims when we decided that knowledge is meant for only a few. Sometimes when confronted with question I have limited knowledge in, I usually do research on the net and come up with a good answer! So Iqra! From experience this sort of question have been dealth with time without number!

going to internet to source answer is a sign of lack of spiritual discernment.use theology to answer religious questions!!! Go to your quran and learn thats how you grow spiritually!!!

Trinity doesnt mean gods. You all know we have soul,spirit and body. Please does that make a person 3

Smile4mee01: Salute to my nairalanders.

I am quite down on moralle today and that is because I am the 1st child and son in a family of 4 and I must say that resposibilities aTtached to my position is overwhelming me. My dad is late and my mum is just managing. I work as an engineer and for the 2 yrs I have worked I have nothing to show for it, no savings no investment, no girlfriend sef. All of my income has been used to attend to this or that, I am 28 yrs now and I wonder if my dreams of being successful wld someday come true, or. Should I give up on my puruit for happiness.the bad thing is that my thought are beginning to affect my relationship with my mum and sibblings. Sometimes I just want to run away, bur again some friend told me to face my fears. When wld I begin to live for myself, the tought of marriage is far from me though I wld love to marry someday, infact I don taya. Kindly advice.

you be graduate, you even get Job sef.thankGOD! Ur mama dey alive,thankGOD! U no dey sick,ur siblings no dey sick bed.u get time to think of woman.thankGOD!

Your prophet is not sure of where he's going to thats why he's asking for your peace and blessings.

tbaba1234: All prophets are given reverence.. That is why after mentioning every name we pray for peace and blessings on the prophet.

We make no difference between them in terms of belief..

dont they have peace already in heaven? Peace be upon them meaning what?

ghazzal: @tbaba answered correctly.
in another words, anyone can read and understand the Quran but if you read the english version(which i read), you should understand that there is not direct/perfect translation from Arabic which is a richer language to english....e.g i saw a tread someone wrote "allah"(small a) i thought initially it should be "big A" but again, i thought that it does not change the meaning...in arabic, "allah is different from illah" but in english, allah must be big "G". this is a simple difference.

so while someone read the Quran, and a verse is not clear, ask people who know better or get books that explain it in details(with the history of why the verse came about). an example is when a friend Qouted Q2:191 for me, initially, i said it is not in the Quran cos i know it is against Islamic teachings to kill unjustly. When i went and read it, i got confused as to why, so i asked someone who knows better. he refered to the history and i understand it was about self defence. they were trying to oppress but opression can only be stopped if it is opposed (i read it too).

but unfortunately, people are just too lazy to read and to even ask has become a problem....

is oppression a good Justification for killing

tbaba1234: Thanks for your question:

A lot of terrible things have been done in the name of all religions, this is not peculiar to islam, People used christianity to justify the spanish inquisitions, the crusades, blowing abortion clinics, the slave trade. e.t.c. But this is clearly against the values of christianity.

The vast majority of muslims do not support the murder of innocent people. The Quran states " , killing an innocent person is like killing the whole of humanity and saving a life is like saving the whole of humanity".

Islamic scholars generally have rounded condemned acts of terror by muslims. Islam respects the values of all other beliefs. The Quran states:

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error:whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy
hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." (Q 2: 256)

thank you

but the whole muslim world is in support of Hamas and Osama!!

If your religion don't have answers to secular live then ask yourself questions.ur religion should be able to give you answers.