A God that created the world through magic under seven days was/is powerless to magically will his message of everlasting life to his creations so that they can avoid burning in the everlasting incinerator. This omniscient and omnipotent creator God now relies on ordinary humans to write his message in books?
Herdsmenson: your own definition or the God you want doesn't matter.
God is God, God do whatever God wants without explanation
The question once again is why will an omnipotent and omniscient creator God need a mere puny human to spread his word to all the world. Funny enough up till now there are still people in the world who haven't heard the message that will save them from the everlasting incinerator.
Herdsmenson: I've seen different Nigerians saying Africans would have been better without Christianity and white people inventions.
I think we are ungrateful and stupid, we would have been nothing but a barbarians and some people would have been killing twins and sacrificing children without Christianity.
Millions of Africans would have been dead due to preventable sickness, if Christians didn't donate to Africa which they do daily, most of us would have been dead.
Internet, democracy, freedom, etc are things inspired by Christianity made by Christians.
I think these atheists that hate Christianity after studying some few books(made by Christians white people) now claim they are the smartest there is. It's written in the Bible how these generations of idiots will behave
Sir, While not disputing what you wrote in your OP,I find it hard to understand why the omnipotent and omniscient creator of the universe needed white Christian missionaries or any mortal to spread his word to all the people of the world?
peggywebbs: Lol @ the long epistle. It's not my fault. I'm not the one who quoted Epicurus who by the way wrote over 300 books to convince people about his ideas. I just mentioned some points in one book.
WHY DOES AN OMNIPOTENT AND OMNISCIENT CREATOR GOD ALLOW EVIL TO EXIST?
God does not allow Evil to exist. He doesn't want to wipe out our existence. If you don't want evil to exist, then I think the whole world will be wiped out because you and I have done evil things at one point in our lives. There is no small or big evil. Thank you. Unless you have a basis for weighing evil.
peggywebbs: Ok I have left the messenger for now as for the message.
Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? First of all what is evil? It means profoundly immoral and wicked. Evil started from the very beginning from the sin of the first man. Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden tree because they were tempted. The devil was able to proof that man was not infallible and wanted to show to God that his precious humans are not as perfect as he is. That is why the devil is referred to as the accuser of man.
You see the tree gave us knowledge of both good and bad, evil and pure and almost made us like God himself. Now you see, we had free will. We could choose. To be fair, God sent not only man away from heaven but he also sent the devil too.
Time after time, he hoped man will redeem himself by making right decisions but here again Cain killed his brother Abel because of jealousy. Even though the bible makes reference to only one example but we all know that there were many things that piled up in Cain's mind to kill his brother. Sin did not stop there.
Did God try to prevent evil? Yes. He did when he cleansed the earth with water and left Noah but did that stop sin from happening No. This pained God because he wasn't happy to destroy what he had created and that was the very first time he made a vow never to destroy the earth with water ever again.
Next the Israelites after crying persistently for freedom got it but did they stop evil. No. Instead they carried the gods of their slave masters and were worshipping them even though they knew they were saved. Even with all the signs and wonders, did they change . No.
God then sent he son Jesus Christ. Jesus came to show them who God was because most people just like you then were wondering if God was real because they never saw him. Despite all the truth they saw. What did man do, they were afraid of his power, kings were scared of losing authority, temple leaders were scared too and what did they do? They killed him. This is just but a few examples of how God intervened in the life of man and this is in times past. Today, he still does, he sends men of God and religious leaders to the Government to counsel them, he speaks to the hearts and minds of men but just like the Israelites, we don't listen. If God were to smite every evil person in the world, we can would all be dead.
Now what is evil, if you thinking it only means to kill, then you're joking, even the smallest lie is evil, anything not good is evil.
So is God willing to prevent evil? Yes he is. Is man willing to stop evil? No
Is he able but not willing?
If he were to reason like you and I, by your definition of preventing evil, then I'm sure you know the answer. Because God is not malevolent, he gives us more than second chances to change. That is why the theif of today thinks they've gotten away until their chances run out. He is merciful and hopes that the heart of man will repent and choose the right way.
Is he both able and willing?
They said there is nothing impossible for God to do. But he sees beyond our own literal thoughts. We think of solutions today and do not anticipate the consequences. He sees beyond that. God works with results. He wants man to discover the truth, to learn from their wicked ways and retrace their steps. If you listen to his voice, you would know better to always follow the truth.
Whence cometh evil?
Evil does not come from God. It comes from the desires of the flesh. Man desires power, pleasure, lust, food and so much more and they are ready and willing to kill for it. All these things they seek are natural and our birth right but because of greed we are never content. How do you blame God for man's greed when he has given us all that we desire.
Why do we call him God?
He is God because he makes everything you see around you possible. Have you asked yourself where man came from, where the clouds come from, even the gases that scientists decieve themselves studying , were do they come from. Man can't even create an actual skin or flesh, we can't make even the sand on the ground. We don't know who constructed the womb of a woman and how it fertilizes eggs and forms a child. No man can create the seas, nor the wind nor the mountains, or the molten magma. No man can build a world in circle that will be able to hold thrillions of people in it. Think about it.. where did they all come from, the birds, animals, the creeping insects, the angels, the beasts. The nine planets, the bright sun that till today no human being can get close but yet who positioned the earth to get light from it during the day and the moon at night. So what else do you call a supernatural being which no one can see but people have testified to hearing his voice, that has done all of these things which no man, Philosopher can do? It is God.
No matter how much you believe in Philosophy, science and your inner self, you can never explain the wonders of this world. As for evil. It has an end. Read the Book of Revelations.
Now this is why I try to avoid having discussions with Christians/religionists. A simple question of why an almighty omniscient and omnipotent creator God has refused to destroy evil which is his creation and you take me on a rigmarole of all the stories in a book of ancient goat herders? This is why I prefer responding to Christians/religionists with animations/cartoons or meme's so I don't waste my brain cells. I don't want to keep slamming my head on a wall of irrationality.
Now for the last time the question is-WHY DOES AN OMNIPOTENT AND OMNISCIENT CREATOR GOD ALLOW EVIL TO EXIST?
peggywebbs: Good luck... taking advise from a person that died alone without wife and kids. A person that taught people not to worry about life and ended up spending all his life chasing life's philosophy and failing to live to appreciate what love and family offers. A person that died alone and most of his philosophy was a copy of what other philosopher's were making noise about. Very unoriginal.. mtchew
peggywebbs: You're funny..how can you blame someone else for man's actions. You make it look like humanity is a story that God should manipulate. If we men think evil thoughts and commit evil actions, then you expect God to swoop in and become superman.
He is omnipotent and yes he tries in his way to stop most things. It's called a conscience. That little voice in your head telling you not to do bad things. How many people listen, no but they expect to live without consequences. Don't you think that is selfish. We are not willing to change but we want to tell God to keep wiping the slate so it can be beds and roses for more sin. Good luck in your search for answers.
You don't need a pastor to answer your questions. I will advise you go through the bible from start to finish and ask God himself to answer your questions. He will answer you trust me. He too is interested in your opinions more than we folks on nairaland.
peggywebbs: And now you blame God for poverty, really? Have you ever tried to move close to poor people and study how they reason? A typical poor person will get a 13 year old pregnant without work, and by the time he hits 20 he was would have 10 kids running around saying Papa. They don't think of family planning, they don't even try to plan on how to make a living. Poverty is as a result of wrong choices. When you fail, you get up and try again but a poor man will prefer to stay by the road and beg. Or they resort to drinking palm wine. You blame God for this? Really?
For the still borns and child deformities, yoy still blame God. Do you know that women ought to learn the best ways to manage pregnancies. There are certain foods, herbs and drugs that should be avoided. When a woman fails to live under the proper conditions to manage a pregnancy, what do you expect. You still blame God for this?.
Children with kwashiorkor, their parents keep breeding more and don't even have a livelihood to raise one child not to talk of 10 and you all still blame God for this?
Well I think we should also blame God for lack of electricity, war and visa refusals. Oh yes blame him all you want but the fact remains, we do things and for every action there is an equally opposite reaction.
Awesome01: Bros you took everything from my mouth. I thought I was the only one who saw that shambolic display from Peter.
He was terribly out of form, was swinging widely, got points deducted from him for punching below the belt. There was even a point he punched Fury on the blokos.
He was slow, tired and frustrated from the first round. Why he agreed to that fight in the first place surprise me. There are still doubts about his injury sef.
After the bout Hughie had no sympathy for him. He said Peter took a cop out and that he was feigning the injury because he couldn't continue and was trying to avoid a knock out. I personally feel Peter was injured. He dislocated his shoulder with a wild swing. I think he just has to hang up his gloves except he is on a death wish. I thought Anthony Joshua was poor against Andy Ruiz jr but Samuel Peter against Hughie Fury took a poor performance to a lower level.
1forall: Thanks for sharing this cos I was curious about the shoulder, and how the 'shambles of a fight' played out
Peter was penalised many times for low blows to his opponent. When the ref ordered clean breaks during clinches Peter would sneak hit his opponent.It wasn't a one off,it was constant through out the bout. It was obvious Peter was a frustrated man because he appeared overweight and was swinging wildly and consistently missing. It was during a clinch that the ref had to step in and separate the two fighters but Peter did not want to break clean and tried another wild sneak punch at his opponent that missed and resulted in him dislocating his shoulder. I must say if Hughie had not ducked that wild punch it might have taken his head off. To be honest the fight was a mismatch and quite frankly in my opinion Peter should have retired after he lost to Klitschko the second time. He has no right to continue boxing except he is on a suicide mission to self destruct.
Watching this bout on supersport last night was just embarrassing. Peter was a shadow of himself, swinging wildly but constantly missing an elusive opponent . What drew me to watch the bout was the fact that Peter was on the card because I thought he retired eons ago. It appears the Saudis lured him out of retirement with petrol dollars. It was sad watching a former world heavyweight champion like Peter embarrassing himself by fighting a guy that would never have laced his boots in his prime. It was while taking a wild swing that missed its target that he dislocated his shoulder. It was hard watching that bout and sad.
GistReport: Actress Funmi Bank-Anthony opened up on her family background and how it rubbed off on her in the decisions she takes, in a new interview.
The granddaughter of late Sir Mobolaji Bank-Anthony, also dispelled claims of riding on the name of her late grandfather to achieve some level of success in the movie industry. She said in the interview with The Sun,
Yes, the name is household but I don’t think it has had any impact on my life and career. I can’t go to any bank and withdraw money with that name. He has done his bit when he was alive. He had his name and I am trying to make mine too. I am not even half way where I want to be, even though it is a name people can easily associate themselves with.
Funmi Bank-Anthony further revealed that her grandfather willed his 48 houses in Lagos to the motherless, as she talked about taking up the philanthropic course;
It started with my grandfather, Sam Mobolaji Bank-Anthony. When he died, he wrote in his will that all his belongings be donated to the less privileged, even including the spoons. He had about 48 houses in Lagos and he declared that all be given to the motherless (children) and that is so huge for me, because I see it that he left us to suffer. If he had left the houses in Lagos for us, I would be a multi-billionaire today, even as a grandchild. He was one of the richest men in Nigeria and he didn’t leave anything for us. That was deep for me. I see it that the things you boast of today can be taken away from you within the twinkling of an eye. It then dawned on me that I could lose the things I have. So, philanthropy came out of the fear of losing the things I have. So, I would rather give it out than lose them when I am gone, though some people take you for granted when they know you are excessively nice.
THIS GIRL IS A LIAR. Bank Anthony had NO biological children. He adopted many children whom he trained to stand on their own. He had a right to will his properties to whomever pleased him. This girl should get a job and work hard for her own wealth.
Here is Dahiru's Facebook page where he claimed President Buhari appointed him Comptroller General of Nigeria customs service. Notice his real rank which is two pips.
Here you are-Dahiru reporting so as to take over from Alli.Notice the serious and no nonsense look on his face as he smartly marches into the customs HQ in Wuse Abuja.
The worst issue is that 95% of the ministers in the last cabinet will be making a come back. The proof is in the return of Emeifule,Mamman Daura and Abba Kyari last week. Expecting Buhari to improve or change this late in his life time is a mirage. Expect same same as from his first tenure if not worse.... Those who don't expect anything will not be disappointed. ¿¡¤■□
MuttleyLaff: "Wee yu kip kwayet there". Who told you she grooms girls for her sexual predator husband, hmm? Nonsense and ingredients. Mtcheew.
From what I gathered, she after the Ese Walter (now Ese Ark) put in place measures to prevent female closeness to her husband, knowing fully well, he has a weakness, which is greediness, as in, a married man that is covetous
I have warned you severely. If you cannot debate without insults please ignore my posts. Nobody on this forum has monopoly of insults. Here is a video of a lady abused by Fatoyinbo recently with the aid of Modele who brought in the lady under the guise of baby sitting the kids in Dubai.
This is an hour plus video. I can understand people being ignorant of its contents considering the harsh economic situation in the country. This is my last response to you on this issue.
Christianity Etc › Re: What If Christians Missionaries Didn't Come To Africa? by Dantedasz(m): 10:33am On Jul 20, 2019
