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Its too easy to feel sad, when are we going to direct our anger at the relevant folks in government? those rogues who would rather mortgage our future to fill their own bellies . . .

huxley:
Why do you say it is conjecture? Check out the following:

Supposing you inherit a conditions from your mother through mitochondrial DNA (mDNA), and supposing your mother were no longer alive.

Do you think it would be possible to state categorically that you inherited such condition from your mother, rather than some other woman?

Does the fact that your mother may be alive or dead change that outcome?

What are you talking about? You can always get mitochondrial DNA from your dead mother to do a comparison. Where is the DNA evidence from someone who died 150000yrs ago?

this is not about being alive or dead, its about whether we can get samples to run an analysis or we just rely on mere guesses.

huxley:
Yes, there are molecular techniques for comparing DNA of various animals and estimating how far back the diverged. So if you go back far enough (circa 100 mya) , mice and humans had a common ancestor.

Now, studying the rate of mutation in mitochondrial DNA, it is possible to track human ancestory. This has been done to a specific time and place.

My question is - If you can trust DNA fingerprinting technology, is there any reason why you should not trust other studies on human ancestory based on DNA analysis?

simply because while DNA fingerprinting is an established fact, tracing ancient human ancestry using DNA analysis is nothing but conjecture.

You cant build a religion on estimates and guesses.

SeanT21:
Everything that I saw on the ground.

I am not going to lie but when i was a little girl, me and my church friends used to eat old gum stuck under the benches.

urgh! What were you thinking?

SeanT21 were did you get all those worms?  

Nah, never had lice . . . for some reason since i was a kid i've been obsessed with taking a thorough bath and shampooing my hair.
Never had worms too, only chicken pox i caught from my brother who caught it from a classmate. We were bathed in calamine lotion and placed in quarantine in the house for 2 weeks!   Unfortunately it fell during salah period so we couldnt go out and watch the cows being dragged all over the compound.

whistling attracts snakes at night. I've been whistling ever since and i'm yet to see any snake.

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=74061.msg3012969#msg3012969 date=1225302896]Forgive us for remembering Christ's passion.[/quote]That passion was 2000yrs ago. Too many people "remembering Christ's passion" but completely missing the whole essence of that passion at all. Catholics dont believe in being Born Again . . . a clear concept Christ taught in John 3 and yet cry about remembering passions. What a waste of time.

Chrisbenogor:
@carmelily
I was a catholic for the early parts of my life and I can honestly say that Idol worship is not the doctrine of the church, the intention is not to serve the statues. So y'all should just take it easy on them.
The truth of the matter is the God you all believe in did not say how you should worship, and language is ambiguous, someone reading this 2000 years from now might not be able to put what I mean in the right contexts.
If there is a church that has held their own for very long, they are the ones, protestants split off the smallest of issues and it all boils down to the "silly" book called the bible which they the catholics have a big hand in compiling like it or not.
The probability that a sect in christianity is right is 0.003% that makes the probability each one is wrong 99.99% no sane person should invest in anything with such odds.
Cheers.

Must be the most stupid lie i've read all day. There is just no point correctinig this . . .

huxley:
Now supposing I was to extrapolate this into the various areas of investigation. At what point would your confidence in scientific rationalism begin to be shaken:

1) Using DNA fingerprinting and molecular clock technology, it is possible to show that humans originate from Africa about 150000 years ago.

2) Using DNA analysis, it is possible to demonstrate that all living things have a common descent.

To what extend to you agree or disagree with these propositions?

- Again you dont seem to understand what you're talking about:

1. DNA fingerprinting is a method of comparing DNA fragments to determine whether they come from a common heritage. Since we do not have DNA samples from humans who originated 150000 yrs ago, how is it possible for you to claim that DNA fingerprinting was used to determine man's origin?

2. You cannot determine common ancestry simply by using DNA analysis alone. Primates and humans share 97-99% DNA similarity, a strong case for possible common ancestry which again isnt sufficient proof.

Even mice share thousands of genes with humans, does this mean man and mice come from a common ancestor? Where did this genetic divergence occur?

Chrisbenogor:
@david
My brother e never reach to vex oh, see I am not saying you do not have a point oh, my question is this, is there any proof that homosexuality is totally a nurture concept?

Circular reasoning alert!

An athiest comes here and tells us firmly (but without proof) that sexual orientation is determined by genetics. Next another comes asking me to prove that homosexuality is NOT determined by genetics.

Chris, how about you FIRST tell me why you think homosexuality is genetic?

i talk am say no title challenge after the defeat to Fulham una no believe me.

Arsene thanks for another trophyless season, but we still support you sha.

I dont feel sorry at all . . . if you marry a convicted felon then what do you expect?

huxley:
For example, "I simply cannot see how humans evolved from other lifeforms", or "I simply cannot see how the universe could be expanding".

One more example, "I simply cannot see how God can exist".

huxley:
Thanks again. Pardon me, but you are not getting my point. The point I am making are these:

1- What ever the numerical proportions are, should we trust them? Supposing someone came to you and annouce that percentage similarity was 75% instead of 99%, what would be your reaction?

Would that shatter the "philosophy" that you have erected on that fact that there is 99% similarity?

It is an ESTABLISHED SCIENTIFIC FACT . . . its not something that is up for debate. I havent "erected" any philosophy but simply told you what is easily obtainable in any genetics textbook out there.

huxley:
2- The fact that DNA fingerprinting uses this technology may suggest "on the surface" that it have gained trust and widespread acceptability amongst the public and scientific/intellectual classess. But should we base our views on the majority opinion (albeit the well-qualified majority)?

It is not an "opinion" but a fact. Go buy a genetics textbook pls.

huxley:
3- Is there any objectivity in these results? BAsically, if two or more well-qualified labs were to test the sample sample, are they likely to come out with the same results?

Bro, they've been testing this for the last 30yrs in virtually any school with a genetics department.

Chill guys, we are a team in transition. Arsene just needs to get his book out in January . . . get some world class defenders and maybe a defensive Mid too.

Ok calm down guys, the world isnt over . . . we can build on the pieces of this semi-defeat. I think we all agree the problem is with the central 2. Silvestre just doesnt cut it at all. I think its time to replace Gallas and Toure too and maybe Almunia.

Great defence we have there eh?  

4th spot is ours to fight for this season until Arsene gives us solid central defenders and a solid goalkeeper. I cant see Liverpool, Man U or Chelsea conceeding 4 goals at home!  

What will happen when we meet Man U at Old Trafford? We'll get decimated!