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SNCOQ3:
Mind --> Thought --> Word --> Language.
Mathematics exist as the language of the universe because a Mind exists that understands and communicates the order and mechanism of the universe.

All things in the universe have a mathematical relationship to others in your physics textbooks; and that is because the purpose of your textbooks is to communicate the mechanism and order in the universe with the language of mathematics.

Nope. Maths is a language- The language can only describe the relationships, motions, geometry and the properties.

With the above quote, you just provided an evidence for God.
The relationship mathematics describes is fixed because their is order in the mechanism of the universe. Order in complexity exist because the Intelligent Mind designed it.

Image123:

Cool or cold? You don't believe in anything supernatural, at least you see it in the dictionary now. Millions of people believe and attest to experience the supernatural. You're ridiculously rude and dishonest as i've noticed. Why not check dictionaries for the definition of supernatural or you need the links yet again? An example of a supernatural experience is Mo' flying to heaven, i thought i already referred to that as supernatural? Miracles are supernatural.
i'm not being subtle. i'd say maybe evasive BECAUSE i have to get you to think since you claim to and take pride in it. You wouldn't appreciate my answers if i spoonfed you, and i'd be neglecting one of the Lord Jesus' advice in the process. [b] When you think honestly and sincerely and deeply, you'd arrive at saner and better conclusions i hope. If you stay through and think and work hard, you get all the answers, that i can promise. [/b]

really so what amount of thinking would i use to verify a snake talked?..or do you employ wishful thinking

And i want you to define what you understand to be "supernatural" and how to identify things "supernatural"....(because all believers define it differently)

And saying millions of people believe "A" doesn't make "A" true...understand?

And how can you tell mo flied to "heaven"..let alone any "supernatural" occurrence to have taken place?...do you believe the account?...and why?

And how can you testify a "miracle" has taken place?....have you ever bothered to trace one?....if you did....did you find it to be "not natural" a.k.a "supernatural"?

Lastly do you believe in "spontaneous generation"...?

ifeness:
Who created God?

Image123:
i expected that you'd consult a dictionary when i hinted at your laziness. Supernatural is BASICALLY something not natural. Maybe you should study "basically" too while at it. Since i have a task of explaining supernatural as not natural to you, check the links provided below.

1. mwebster. NATURAL as adjective. Read definition 4, 8a, b, c, 11a, 12a, b ( http://i.word.com/idictionary/natural[1] )

2. Collins English, the 2nd dictionary. Definition 3and 6. ( http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=natural )

3. wikipedia. Nature , in the broadest sense, is equivalent to the natural, physical, or material world or universe. "Nature" refers to the phenomena of the physical world, and also to life in general.
( http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature)
First major sentence in the article. Learn "broadest".

Funke4Jesuss:
It shows u are an illeterate.
You said u have no belief because there is no supreme god that u are aware of or u can define. Then automatically ur belief is - You don't believe in a supreme god because u can't see him or define him.
Abi what u do u think belief means? It shows u are an illieterate.

What do u mean by define? Only an illiterate does not know what the definition of 'god' is.
And because u can't prove something does it mean it can't be proved? Or it doesn't exist?

Funke4Jesuss:
This davien just like baseless arguement.
What i'm i saying, what are you saying?
As a christain, pre marital sex is a sin. So, if i should say i wish God does not exist so that i can have pre marital sex as much as i like without fear of going to hell, how does it now relate with what u are saying here -

How does my own pre marital sex affect ur well being?
Pls read and comment with your head.

i wish God exists so that those that oppressed
me won't go scot free.

a wish does not make anything true...

Funke4Jesuss:
Ofcourse the proofs u mention had been there all along. But there was a time in history when men haven't discovered it. And do you even know someone had been killed in history before for suggesting that the earth is sphererical. Im sure u don't know that.

I never said because i wish God does not exist therefore he does not exist. Or the other way round.
Learn to read with common sense, not assumptions based on what you want to hear.

What i said is that i wish God exists so that those that oppressed
me won't gao scot free

if i'm sure hell
does not exist, i will be doing some things i'm not doing now.

really.....so because of the fear of hell that is why you aren't
doing those things?....and not because of your ability to mutually
respect and watch out for your own and others wellbeing?

Funke4Jesuss:
Okay.
Let me ask u this questions:
1. What is your belief.
2. I will ask you to stop believing your answer in question 1 for a while, and answer this further questions:
a. Is there a supreme God?
b. If yes or no state ur reason.
We can take it from there. Just be sincere.

Funke4Jesuss:
U are right an unbelief is not a pretence. But i said i, not u.

Ur claim is just an assumption that if you cannot prove something then it doesn't exist. Back in those days there was no proof that the earth was spherical. So, does that mean it isnt?

What i said is that i wish God exists so that those that oppressed me won't go scot free.

What u are saying does not make sense. I said if i'm sure hell does not exist, i will be doing some things i'm not doing now.

praz001:
op, any believe that teaches you not to pay evil with evil, show mercy irrespective of religion, loving equally is the way

Funke4Jesuss:
@ davien i think my post is as unbiased as possible. These are the points in my posts:
1. First i asked myself why should i (not you or anybody else) bother if there is a God or not. Then i listed the advantages i will stand to benefit if a God exists. And the things i might suffer if he exists and i say he doesn't. After examining both, i realized its worth my time to find out if he truely exists or if its just an imagination of human minds.
2. The second stage is where i will prove (to myself) without biases if he exists or not.
If after reading my posts u still accuse me of wrong belief, then i will have to say u are more brainwashed than myself.

Funke4Jesuss:
What will i lose if there is a God and i pretend he doesn't exists:
Well, only one thing comes to my mind - Hell.
As much as i like to believe there is no God, what if i die today and i realize my belief has been wrong. And infact, that God is angry with me for all my sins (including denying his existence) and then he orders me to hell 4 ever. Can i afford to spend 24 hours in a hot burning fire talkless of forever? Try putting your hand in a burning stove.
So, this made me to realize it is truely worth my time to find out if a God really exists.
To be continued...

davien:
[b] lol....funke4jesuss... first off an unbelief is not a pretence....just an unbelief...or is your unbelief in allah a pretence?
what i can get from your write up so far is....
1.Atheists have a "pretence" and believe an idea of "no god";
This as i've pointed out is silly....and an idea of "no god" isn't an idea....you can't have an idea that doesn't have a definition nor proof..... e.g can you have an idea of a married bachelor?
2."god" has to be real else we are all loose canons;
If this is true why aren't atheists the most people in jail or commit crimes.....despite the veil of dignity around religions they commit vastely more atrocities than unreligious people...
3."hell" has to exists else i could do whatever i want;
Really?....saying something has to exists because of moral reasons is also silly.....before my example note that despite this claim by many preachers and you....they still r4pe women and young children....aren't they doing anything they want?
Father christmas has to exists else people won't give presents....is what i can deduce to match you....
4.The consequences of the "god" claim makes it justify-able to believe;
So why don't you believe in all gods then?....they all have consequences....why are you comfortable playing a roulette of one christian denomination against 41,000 ones?...
Despite this no one has to believe you because you cannot on your own validate if it is true or not...
.
If i walk up to you and tell you a quarxynoff is an alien that is hidden in your brain and cannot tell you how i know its true but keep telling you to have faith....and that you need to have a neuro-parasite lodged in it to survive....would you believe me?
what if i hold out my hand and threaten to split an atom if i am not given 50 million naira?...would the consequence make the claim true? [/b]

AND ALL SUMMED UP IN......"I HAVE TO BE RIGHT ELSE I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN A WORLD THAT DOES NOT OBEY MY PRE-DRAWN CONCLUSION OF IT...

Funke4Jesuss:
Just read on now. Wait till i tell u what my discovery is b4 u criticise me.

Image123:
Don't be lazy. Cars, planes and shoes are natural.

natural /ˈnatʃ(ə)r(ə)l/
adjective
1. existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind.
2. in accordance with the nature of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.
3. (of a parent or child) related by blood.
4. (of a note) not sharp or flat.
5. relating to earthly human or physical nature as distinct from the spiritual or supernatural realm.
6. (of a bid) straightforwardly reflecting one's holding of cards.
noun
1. a person having an innate talent for a particular task or activity.
2. a sign (♮) denoting a natural note when a previous sign or the key signature would otherwise demand a sharp or a flat.
3. an off-white colour.
4. a hand of cards, throw of dice, or other result which wins immediately, in particular:
5. an insect or other small creature used as bait, rather than an artificial imitation.
6. a person born with a learning disability.
adverb
naturally.

felicia01:
Do you think westerners enforced this type of behavior onto this country?

Image123:
You didn't know it was apples and oranges when you wanted to force theological issues into the laboratory?
What level of accuracy is expected for verifying if my grandfather traveled to Sudan? What level to verify how many dreams i had last night? What level to verify Mo' flying to heaven?
If you cannot verify that my grandfather traveled to Sudan, does that mean it didn't happen? If i or nobody can verify, does that mean it didn't happen?

Image123:
Statistics are used to PREDICT and PROJECT into the future. They don't compulsorily determine the future. Also, you cannot determine if my grandfather ever TRAVELED to Sudan using the method you claimed, which BTW is not a MERE method. You cannot verify it, yet the event allegedly happened, point made. Not every reality can be verified, whatever reason.
Something is said to be supernatural when it is not natural, that's a basic enough explanation. Millions of people in different centuries till tomorrow make claims to experiencing the supernatural, it's not dismissible with the wave of the hand.

Image123:
There you go again. i'll keep it simple nd on point. Here are three realities; your future posts on nairaland, my urinating yesterday, my grandfather.
Your future posts (next month by grace) are specific. It is either you make 20posts or no. There is no varying degree of ACCURACY about it.
It is either i urinated a specific number of times yesterday. You cannot be varying the accuracy saying i urinated 2.43times, or 6, or 9. You have to be accurate about it. It is senseless to vary the degrees.
It is either my grandfather traveled to Sudan in his lifetime or he didn't. You can't be varying the accuracy between yes, no, maybe, whatever.
These are the models of reality in focus.

SmellMyFart:
Gayism And Lesbianism Is Not And Will/Can Never Be Accepted In Nigeria. I Rest My Arguments

Image123:
Do you for a minute think that i need to prove anything to you? You've shown us that you cannot? verify your own future, you claim to be only able to estimate how many times i peed yesterday, you cannot verify if my grandfather ever traveled to Sudan. These are all realities you cannot verify. The simple point in case you missed it yet again being, that you cannot verify something don't mean it didn't happen. The supernatural is not subject to laboratory tests, and life doesn't always boil down to science.

Image123:
This makes no sense. How can varying degrees of accuracy make anything verifiable? Why deceive yourself with meaningless words probably copied from some intelligent pretender? What is the meaning of varying degrees of accuracy for earth's sake? Like 2+2 equals 22 or 2.04 or 3 or 3.9998 due to varying degrees of accuracy? Thus verifiable, QED. Please, think for yourself, freethinking should not be an excuse for meaningless statements.

sonOfLucifer:
None. Are you satanist?

sonOfLucifer:

chinedumo:
what has ismeal got to do with mohammad

besides what makes satanism any better?

blink182:
The most ignorant of you are the ones claiming to be the smartest. The prophet said bh contribution to this incident is about 1%.

BossTtdiamonds:
You know, you could actually be followin' because dimwits like him as you propose might just be that person that 'lld help you get answers to questions botherin' your person...

Image123:
You couldn't hold yourself together and behave, could you? Don't have too much faith in all that stuff you've being reading on the internet, get a real education if you can. You can actually be intelligent, you have potential.
So, you can't verify your future apparently. Perhaps you can conclude you have no real future from your assessment. Estimates are the best you can do to verify howmany times i urinated yesterday? That's not good enough for reality, you see? You said reality has to be verifiable, not estimated. Estimating is probability, same as saying Mo' flew to heaven or no. Many would think it probable i figure.
And this geographic population structure thing, you say it can tell if my grandfather ever traveled to Sudan? How merely can we go, it would be nice to see this demonstrated.i reckon it would greatly improve perspectives on reality. What step can you take to demonstrate this miragelike story you're telling?