₦airaland Forum

Dotman01: If u are dull enough not to understand my point, then am afraid to tell you that you're a dullard for life. lemme give u another example, and if u'll get it wrong again,

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Abuja: 13
Oyo State: 16
Kaduna State: 11
Kano state: 6
Rivers state: 9
Enugu state: 2
You gat the point now?. . . . .if not, then contact a Doctor Asap.

Is this Bank not owned by Atedo Peterside?

Where are those who attacked Eko Ile then?

Katsumoto: One point which escapes ACN supporters and which is quite surprising, is that they don't understand the role perception will play in the next election.

1. Yoruba stakeholders may kick against the ACN due to certain perceptions. It doesn't matter whether those perceptions are real or otherwise.

2. For a party that is trying to become more national, it is clearly going about its branding in the wrong way. How does it gain national acceptance if non-Yoruba believe Tinubu will turn the national coffers into his petty cash and appoint his kids as senators (nominating his kids as senatorial candidates is not illegal after all)? Of course the ACN may not care about winning elections outside the SW, so one may wonder why it is bothering with merging with other parties to challenge PDP nationally.

And one point evading you is this is Nigeria and Tinubu understands it more than anyone else.

Where has Party primaries taken us in Nigeria? A situation where a moneybag like Omisore buys the party ticket in the name of primaries

For people present in Lagos in 2007 Guber poll when all the moneybags came out to challenge for Alausa under ACN, Most of those who don't even have the interest of the masses. Tinuu had the choice of taking their money and leaving Lagosians at the mercy of these internal primary guys, But he took it over and gave Fashola(One of the best) the ticket

In a party primary Fashola would never have emerged. Thats why in a Normal internal primary its a battle of money between Iboris $5,000 per delegate vs Atikus $10,000 per delegate vs Jonathans $25k per delegate.

That was what Bola Ige saw in Osun in 1999 that Omisore was going to win the primaries with the party primaries.

You would get the internal democracy and never see a Fashola in governance because he doesnt have the money to run it, He doesnt control the mobs to win elections, he doesnt have the organisation to win it.

All those belong to the Atikus, Adedibus, Iboris and Tinubu etc.

I have seen Tinubus hand picked candidates and they are the best we have had in over 30yrs which tells me In Nigeria, Tinubu is one necesary Godfather I can tolerate because of the administrators he mentors and give to us

The opposiion to Tinubu have always been crude and uncoordinated and One thing aout Tinubu is that he always manage to stay on the right side of the law and makes the opposition desperate thereby making Tinuu more popular


The series of allegation against Tinubu which have fallen easily

1. He forged his certificate. How would one who forged certicates from the US work with Arthur Andersen, Delloite and Mobil

2. He is not from Lagos he is from Iragbiji. LOLstatic

3. He was running foreign accounts while in office. This was easily thrown out by the ICPC ran by the PDP

4. He is running a Tax collection consultancy. Is it legal for him to conduct such business Like other Nigerians?

5. He imposes candidates. It was already stated far back that in the ACN they dont conduct primaries

6. He is pushing his family into Politic. Are his family supposed to be disenfranchised because they are related to him?

7. His family members were not politicians before making them run for office. Must you be a Politician before you can contest?

8. He imposed his daughter as Iyaloja. Was he authority to appoint/select Iyaloja? Should the daughter be denied cos she is related to Tinubu

9. The daughter is too young. What is the age criteria to be Iyaloja

10. He is too powerful. Anyone who is able to chase PDP out of 6 states the so much desired would be powerful

If you cant coordinate allegations against him properly it would always make the opposition just look desperate and grabbing at straws

It reminds me of the American gripe against Obama

- He was not born in America. See birth Certificate
- He is a Moslem
- His middle name is Hussein.
- He is the antichrist

Ola one: What if I manage to show it's not in your constitution?

Do you henceforth promise to accept it's spurious then?

If its not in the ACN constitution then the other ACN candidates should challenge them to court for violating their constitution

As for me, I am okay with the products of the ACN selections I have seen thus far as against the party primaries candidate

eGuerrilla: No, they are not violating any law.

Then again, not every American is "happy as Larry" about it either

There is nothing in the world where "Everyone" would be happy about even "hands free w@nk" would make some ppl complain

The majority that keep voting them into power obviously don't think much of it

Ola one: It's against it because it wasn't written in your go-to book. So, any claim to the contrary is not just spurious but sinister.

SHow us the content of the go to book which they flouted

Any of the previous aspirants not selected would have pointed this out.

So Ola show us the constitution of the ACN that says selection is illegal

eGuerrilla: There are two separate issues here that have now been conflated, in my opinion:

(1) Allegations of nepotism
(2) ACN's refusal to guided by primaries in the selection of its electoral candidates

On the first issue, it is fair say most commentators on this thread actually take a pejorative view.
The reason for this is quite simple; no amount of spin from the opposing side of the divide can dampen what independent observers consider an assault on their senses, especially given the unequivocal denials issued by party apparatchiks just a few days earlier. If Tinubu does not curtail his political overreach soon, history will not judge him accordingly.

On this first issue, If someone had told you of the Bush family story, Great grand father senator, Grand father President, Uncle President, Father governor, Uncle Governor and the son holding another political Post In the biggest democracy in the world,

The Kennedy's, Clintons or the Ghandis

The average person would ask "Shey na only them"? But the key question is are they violating any law

Being a Tinubu should deny them of their rights to vote and be voted for just like every one

Or their right to accept appointments just like you and I

Ola one: Was it written down. You know for a fact that the man could say he's misquoted tomorrow. I would like to see it in your party's constitution.

I am sure you don't have to swot up on this in order to post it here for all to see. And, it wont turn you to a swot either. So, you can do it; references from your constitution, PLEASE.

I have never seen the constitution of any Political party before whether in Nigera or elsewhere

I read what the Chairman of the party said openly and no one from the party has come out to challenge him that it was against the Party tenet.

So why would you think its against the Party constitution, In case you think its against the party constitution, then the onus is on you to prove it.

Ola one:
Ratification by ramifications and complications, abi?

Getting really interesting

Can you show us how the selection of Tinubus daughter was different from previous Iyalojas

Ola one: Let's focus on this Iyaloja thing first.


how, in your view, did a girl who was a student in London 6 years ago become the head of traders in my dear Yorubaland? Through voodooism or jagabanism?

Please, answer

This girl became the Iyaloja by the ratification of the Oba of Lagos and in accordance to how previous Iyalojas were chosen

Ola one: He said it - personal opinion of Bisi Akande, perhaps.



Was it enshrined in their go-to book, the constitution?
Don't tell me you have this unbridled support for ACN without knowing what its constitution says

The party chairman has come out to say within the ACN they select candidates. This was before any Tinubu family got into politics

“If election within our party is what you are trying to describe as internal democracy, then we reject such idea. Can we impose when we are contesting against PDP?

Party knows what people want

“But we can do something within our party if the leadership of the party feels that that is the best thing. This is because it is the leadership of the party that understands the manifestoes of the party and knows what the people really want.

“This is not a matter of an individual but the party. Nobody should accuse ACN of imposition because that is our style. Anyone that is not comfortable with that should go and contest in another political party. So if you see anyone carrying placard around, he is wasting his time.
- See more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/01/why-acn-imposes-candidates-akande/#sthash.92V16F0K.dpuf

Ola one: You have willingly misunderstood the guy. He meant the In Law/Remi Tinubu weren't into politics before then. The just emerged flag bearers overnight.

Do you have to e in Politics before contesting an election?

Remi and Son In law was selected just like other ACN candidates were selected.

So why should the party proven methods be changed because Tinubus family are interested?

Ola one: Please, I would like you to show me where it was enshrined in ACN's constitution, that it is a democratic party that stands on one thing and one thing only - SELECTION

The party chairman Bisi AKande said it and I posted it on this forum yesterday and you saw it

*Stepping out for now*

Ola one: So, you wouldn't answer that question?

What question sir?

Afam4eva: So, people that have never held any poolitical office are now better and more experienced than people that have worked for previous government. Tufiakwa gi. it's people like you that we don't need in the country. You will see white and say that's black.

You are pushing the boundaries of senselessness

Can you show what makes a Lawyer, Doctor, Engineer unqualified to run for office because " He has never held any political post before"

Since you are from Anambra
What Political office did Peter Obi hold before contesting for Anambra governorship

Ola one: If selection, as you proclaim on this thread so vociferously, actually works that easily with flagrant disregard for primaries and rule of law, Hilary Clinton would have clinched the ticket for Democrats in 2008. And, as such, we wouldn't have had President Obama. As we all know, Bill Clinton, her husband, was and still is the most influential Democrat.

The Democratic party conducts Party primaries

ACN does not conduct party primaries and they have made this clear way before any of Tinubus relations contested for office

[size=14pt]Question again Why should they change it because of a Tinubu?[/size]

Desola: Shame no dey even catch you to dey write that rubbish in bold?

Shameless sods!

Thank you ma, Hows your day going?

Afam4eva: I meant that they had not held any political office prior to being selected by Tinubu. fashola was in Tinubu's government, so he was already in the system. Bill Clinton was the governor of Arkansas. What's your point?

Must people hold a previous Political post before they can contest for an election?

Or whats your point in case you have any?

Sensible arguments have never been your forte I understand but can you show us what says People must hold political post before contesting for elections

edoyad: I trust Bayern Fans to celebrate beating Barca, Arsenal and Juve, just like how Stoke City Fans celebrate beating Arsenal, Man U or Chelsea.

In addition to Bayern fans celebrating beating those clubs, they are also celebrating winning a treble

Show us any trophy of any colour Arsenal have won in the last 7yrs

Ola one: Let's focus on this Iyaloja thing first.

how, in your view, did a girl who was a student in London 6 years ago become the head of traders in my dear Yorubaland? Through voodooism or jagabanism?

Please, answer

Show us the procedures for choosing previous Iyalojas the criteria for being Iyalojas and lets see if Tinubus daughter violated any of them.

Thats the intelligent thing to do, Instead of the sensationalism

Afam4eva: Leave him let him be embarassing himself.


Were they the best from their party? If they were the best then why was primaries not conducted?

They followed their parties procedures in presenting candidates

[size=14pt]ACN has never done party primaries, WHy should it suddenly change when a Tinubu family is interested?[/size]

Waiting for a sensible take on that, You can go home and think about it to avoid embarrassing yourself as usual

Afam4eva: Ron Paul and his son went through primaries but Tinubu's wife, Remi and Son-In law were selected. Remi was not even a politician. These people were not politicians. But they were picked ahead of people that have given their all for decades just like in the Iyalode case. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

WHo is a Politician?

Is Clinton not a Lawyer is Tinubu not an accountant, Is Fashola not a Lawyer, is Ron Paul himself not a Doctor

I have told you that you lack basic common sense. Are people born to be Politicians?

So A Doctor cant contest elections again because he wasnt a Politician.

Show us the electoral process that produced previous Iyalojas to determine if the laws was changed for Tinubus daughter

Ola one: Selected! No primaries

The went through elections conducted by INEC and they defeated candidates from other parties to get to their post

His Son In law even had the elections done twice

Ola one: Did they go for primaries or not?


I just want you guys to express your misgivings about what Tinubu just did.

ACN does not do primaries from its inception even before any of the Tinubus got involved in the party Politics

So why should they change that because the Tinubus are contesting now

Afam4eva: Was his son selected or elected?

Was Tinubus wife and Son in law elected or Selected?

Afam4eva: I just couldn't believe what i was reading. I'm not even surprised at Ekoile and Dayokanu as they have always told anyone who cares to listen that they're political jobbers who get paid for how much propaganda they can pull off. I'm more surprised at Gbawe, one of the few supposedly intelligent minds on here.

Expecting any sensible statement from you is like wishing for snow in the Sahara

Ron Paul is a Congressman , his son Rand Paul is a Senator

Is there any wrong doing there?

^^ The fact still remain family political dynasties are everywhere in World politics

We have the Bush in the USA We have the Kennedies we have the Ghandi's in India

AMARILLO, Tex. — George P. Bush, a nephew of former President George W. Bush, has filed papers indicating that he intends to run for statewide office in Texas, the first official step toward public office for a young lawyer whom many Texas Republicans view as one of their dynamic future stars.

Mr. Bush, 36, whose father, Jeb, is a former Florida governor, filed paperwork with the Texas Ethics Commission in Austin on Wednesday

If this guy wins that means his Dad was Governor, His uncle was Governor, His Uncle was president his grandfather was President and his great grand father was Senator in the biggest democracy in the world

[size=14pt]Now tell me has he done any wrong here?[/size]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/03/12/george-p-bush-will-run-for-texas-land-commissioner/

Y'all trippin

tolu4you: I wll agree wiy you.... But those key posts go to Muslims... Jst think, im scared of this our country

Whats the difference between Annie Okonkwos post and Aminu Masaris position

I still remember this event

The hijack really shook the govt of Shonekan