₦airaland Forum

atlwireles: If religion is not important in the SW, why the noise in Osun State?

You ppl that dont know Yorubas keep making a mistake about religion in Yorubaland

Most of us have associated with all 3 religions at some point in time.

My father was a baptist xtian, his auntie was a Moslem and in their compound they have Egungun they worshipped and ppl bring sacrifice to.

I was raised Baptist, I am currently pentecostal I have celebrated Ileya with family and friends, And i have attended the Osun osogbo festival at least 3 times earlier in life.

Check most Yorubas when they have any problem they go from Pastor to Alfas to traditional worshippers. We are Polytheist

Most Yoruba xtians have family members who worship Ogun. all xtians and Moslems, In Ijebu attend Ojude Oba, In Lagos they carry Eyo etc

Adeboye, Oyedepo Kumuyi, Olukoya I am certain all have all 3 religions in their extended family

chukwudi44: I think your question should be directed to Gideon orkar and his fellow middle belters who gavw their lives in an attempt to fix the middlebelt-south marginalisation in the country

maybe you should ask why in Orkars speech he didnt expel Niger State where IBB came from from the Nigerian union like he did for Kano, Sokoto, Katsina, bauchi and Borno

In 1993, MKO was paired with Baba gana Kingibe on a Moslem-Moslem ticket.

The opposition flooded the SW with rumours that MKO sunk a shipload of bibles

Guess what? MKO still got over 70% votes in all SW states

Once he spoke in Yoruba to us, we immediately identified with him and voted en masse for our son

PapaBrowne: But to the religion coming from Northern Nigeria, hmmmmm.....a lot of attention is paid. Even Yoruba muslims sef dey fear that kind Northern Islam. So my point is that a Northern Muslim atop the ticket paired with Fashola will make Fashola instantly redundant.

So it would make Fashola redundant to the extent that we would now vote for Jonathan and Sambo?

Excuse me laff

So you are trying to tell us Gwari and Nupe are not middle belt but Igala, Angas and Berom are middle belt?

PapaBrowne: I know that very well. I am not talking about difference in Religion amongst Yoruba. In the eyes of even other Nigerians, nobody sees differences btw Yoruba Muslims and Yoruba Christians. But everybody sees a huge difference between a Northern Christian and a Northern Muslim.
Fashola would have a better showing in Ibo land than Fayemi who is the only Yoruba Christian Governor.

What I am talking about is not Fashola or Yoruba Muslims. I am talking about a Hausa/ Fulani Muslim atop the ticket. Even you guys that are speaking are not going to be motivated to vote when the time comes. The only reason you would come out is to see GEJ doesnt win. You surely wouldn't be motivated if Senator Yerima is Paired atop with Fashola below, would you? By the way, Yerima is a big time APC member.

I am here for intelligent discussions and analysis not sentimental and biased dispositions. Lets make the lead up to 2015 more interesting such that we would discuss more about issues and less about persons.

Fashola on the ticket is enough to galvanize the Yorubas even if he is paired with Saddam hussein

Yorubas can identify with their man on the ticket. A man we know, A man we trust to protect our interest at the center

APC comes to yorubaland, Fashola does most of the speaking in our language in a language we understand without an interpreter Its all celebration when we roll out our drums eat our Amala and Ofemmannnu, with our tribal marks and shitt in nylon bag

Even core born again Yorubas would vote him over a Jonathan Peter Obi 2 xtian tickets.

We are Yorubas we identify with our people first. Currently the voice of Fashola in Yorubaland is golden. Thats all we need to hear

2 parties contesting 1 has the dear son of Yorubas one doesnt have any Yoruba in their ticket not even a single respectable Yoruba on their train except ex convict Bode george, unknown Olubolade and Kashamu, useless alao-akala. To ruin everything the party is called PDP?

Open and close case.

99/100:
Don't be faster than your shadow.
His argument was base on the fact that since Mark is not a muslim,for that he is not representing them.

How do you know its because Mark is a xtian? Would he say Tinubu a fellow Moslem was representing them? Would he say Ibrahim Idris an Igala man is representing Hausas?

99/100:
I was discussing/arguing with a Hausa man.
His argument was that WE are not well represented in this Jonathan govt.
And I cuts in,asking him what about Namadi,Tambuwal,Mark etc.
His response was that David Mark was not theirs (David Mark ba namu bane) .like a typical Hausa man.
@op,@your question No or not again.

The Hausa guy is obviously smarter than you. He said WE meaning he was speaking for his tribe Hausas and he is right because David Mark is Idoma

Would an Edo man look at barth Nnaji an Iboman and say he is represented

chukwudi44: Even if you blow grammaer from now till 2015,it would not change the fact the religion/ethnicity will be the two major factors that will influence the voters choice of candidates in 2015.If APC should ever make the mistake of fielding a muslim-muslim ticket jonathan will not only win but will also record a landslide victory

This is not Iboland where you are known for religious intolerance.

This is not Iboland that Islam isnt allowed to thrive. This is not Iboland where fellow xtians campaign on the basis of catholic vs Anglican

This is YORUBALAND and keep your bigotry to your side of the Niger

chukwudi44: In this age of religious terrorism!! Bros better wake up and face reality!!

Did Religious terrorism stop Ogun, Oyo, Lagos, Ondo and Osun state from voting Moslem governors between 2011 and now?

folahann: It's about the way people try to portray us as a team that has never won a trophy before OR Wenger as a coach that has never won any. People like you do that a lot.

The fact is what you achieved recently weighs more than achievement during of ages. thats why a club like chelsea currently has more relevance than Notthingham Forest

Wenger as a coach has never won any continental trophy and has been trophylessfor the past 8yrs

The longest ruling president in Nigerian history was a Middlebelt Christian named Yakubu Gowon

If you need someone from the middle belt we already have Gowon -9yrs, IBB-8yrs Abdulsalam 1yr. Total 18yrs

No region in Nigeria has ever had that much time at presidency

PapaBrowne: Dayo, you are a Yoruba xtian based in Texas or thereabouts. The Yoruba tongue speaking xtian who goes to redemption camp or Shiloh or MFm for convention every year has an entirely different outlook. He views the killing of Christians(be they igbo, birom, ijaw, yoruba) by Boko Haram the same way he viewed sanusi's actions on the banking industry: a grand design to Islamise Nigeria. Presenting a Muslim Muslim ticket will raise their hairs and would rush them out with protest votes for PDP.

I speak Yoruba tongue more than most people on this forum. I attend a Pentecostal church

And no single member of my home church or family have a problem with a Moslem Yorubaman

infact we(Yoruba xtians) can associate more with a Fashola, Aregbesola or Tinbu than a Jonathan, Peter Obi or Gabriel Suswan

How can fashola, Tinubu or Aregbe Islamize Nigeria or Yorubaland when they havent islamized their immediate family? These men sleep with xtian wifes daily, went to Xtian secondary schools, attend churches, have family members as xtians attend Redemption camp monthly celebrate xmas and easter as much as Ileya

You dont know Yorubas and you have no right to talk about them

Speak about your own people either as Ibo or Edo depending on which side you want to identify with today

PapaBrowne: Yeah, that is the only plausible scenario but sadly APC has a huge problem where all its limelight fellas are Muslims except Fayemi. Thats why I made mention of the Muslim Muslim thingy. Be rest assured that if a muslim muslim ticket is attempted, you will be giving PDP a free ride because Pentecostal Yorubas are not voting a muslim muslim ticket...that you can be sure about. And they are a massive voting block. Infact they might present a protest vote against APC.

You are not Yoruba and you are not a Yoruba xtian. I am a Yoruba xtian and I can confidently tell you that no single Church would campaign against a ticket that has Fashola

You are not Yoruba and cant understand. Yorubas dont care if almost all states now are ruled by Moslems or if Osun had a Xtian-xtian ticket in 2003.

chukwudi44: So in essence APC can field Gowon in the 2015 polls? When did the term 'core North' come into our polity? Was it before or after the gowon era?

Fyi IBB and Abdulsalami are no from the middle belt.

IBB and Abdulsalam are from Niger state and from minority middle belt tribes of Gwari and Nupe.

Or howelse do you want to advertize your ignorance

The longest ruling president in Nigerian history was a Middlebelt Christian named Yakubu Gowon

If you need someone from the middle belt we already have Gowon -9yrs, IBB-8yrs Abdulsalam 1yr. Total 18yrs

No region in Nigeria has ever had that much time at presidency

Na dem sabi

asha 80: meaning that the vote of the regular yoruba depends on a yoruba being in the ticket?

Yes. Any problem with that?

PapaBrowne: Church going SWerners would not, I repeat would not thumbprint for a Buhari type. Regular SWerners would not go out to vote if there is no Yoruba on the ticket. And a Muslim Muslim ticket would be a no no to a majority of Nigerians in this book haram era.

Are you a SW christian or who gave you the right to speak for Yoruba xtians.

I am a Yoruba xtian

Watch how all Yoruba xtians troop out to vote for our son Fashola or any popular Yoruba politician on the APC ticket regardless of his religion

The Yoruba who had no problem voting majority Moslems as their governors, Yorubas Moslem in Osun had no problems voting a xtian-xtian ticket for Oyinlola-Obada

Yoruba whether xtian or Moslems dont care for religion what comes first is our culture and heritage

Eziachi: The originator according to you is Nzeogwu and few others including your tribes men, they are even longed dead but you are still using it as a weapon against people that had no connection with the military. This same Nzeogwu came from what you now calls SS. The same people you kept telling us everyday as not part of us or Biafra, then when you need an excuse to kill, the same people becomes part of our DNA again. Hypocrites.

Hitler is long dead but his actions still affected Germans who were not even born then till today.

EVen when Cain was long dead, the repercussion of his actions followed his generation who didnt even know about him.

Nzeogwu is ibo and when you are ready to form you Biafra pull the Nzeogwu part of Delta ALONE along with you to Biafra.

If we want to form Oduduwa we cant use the pocket of Yorubas in SS Edo and Delta to lay claims over unrelated SS ppl in Bayelsa or Akwa-Ibom.

Heck we cant even lay claim to everyone in Edo state just because some LGA share Yoruba ancestry.

Thats where we are different. We dont force ourselves to attache by force

Eziachi: Ok, going by own logic that you only fight for elected ones, why didn't for Abiola who was elected more than Akintola's fake electoral victory? Tell me.

The fight for MKO was strategic. It was what made the govt of Abacha unrecognized in most countries of the world culminating in Nigerias expulsion from the commonwealth

MKOs killing was placated by giving way for a Yoruba man to rule in 1999. Immediately after MKOs death the govt made a swift transition to democratic rule and ensured both parties presented Yoruba men to be their flagbearer. Even when the Yoruba party didnt meet the requirement they were issued a waiver.

What we got was worth more than you can ever get from any war

Eziachi: Everything in life has a beginning. But question to you is, if it was such a bad thing, why did it happen not once or even twice afterward?

The originator carries the majority of the punishment because he set the evil precedent. if you are a xtian there were several murderers in the bible yet none was as cursed as Cain the first murderer.

Those never do well majors introduced coups and killing leaders into this country and were justly punished even their kinsmen got it resoundingly

Eziachi: What your justification for not fighting those that came at your back yard and slaughtered your governor/son Fajuyi or is he not worth fighting for? The north fought for Saudana, why did'nt you fight for Fajuyi?

Akintola was voted in by his people. He was Deputy Premier and his NNDP swept the polls which shows how popular he was.

Benjamin Adekunle who destroyed Biafra was from the same town as Akintola and he took the killing personal

Fajuyi was not voted and doesnt enjoy the type of followership Akintola did.

And just the same way ibos kept quiet when their son/president Aguiyi ironsi was killed

Eziachi: It Was not Nzeogwu, Ifeajuna or Ademolabyegun etc that started It, It was the Nigerian Army. If what they did was so bad and unheard of in the history of mankind, let alone Nigeria, please why did we have a repeat of the same arbominable exercise six months later and 1975, 1976, 1984, 1985, 1993, plus many unsuccesful ones led by Diya, Vatsa, Orka? Hypocrites that first celebrated the same coup that rid of the man Saudana, they believed was the real hand behind the subvertion of power in the West using Akintola and the brain behind Awolowos imprisonment. Only to change overnight out of à genuine fear when sardist like Danjuma, Murtala. shuwa and others took over and was baying for a revenge. The same fear that had lingered till this day, responsible for the current hugging of one Nigeria contraption, because you don't want to be left isolated with your now beloved Saudana's remaining apostles like Junaid Mohammed. So what left as South has becomes your shield inside one Nigeria.

What Ifeajuna and Nzeogwu did was never heard of in Nigeria pre Jan 15 1966. They introduced the evil of coup into our polity

Cursed are they. cursed would they remain especially those that killed political leaders in their bed. Cursed would their relations be up till the 6th generation

armyofone: Yes Man. how are you doing.
Done eating madam own apa adiye and visiting Tyler for some good santa fun ?

Tyler? whats going on there? I was around Tyler 2weeks ago

Wetin he dey go find for Man city?

armyofone: MERRY xmas Efe and amazon ileoba and y'all.
Hope you are all having a swell day. Oyinbo ogogoro dey catch me o.

Soldier girl

yellowpawpaw: Dayo,ur own na pishure whe others r looking for food.
Compliments(I don't know if u r a xtian)

I will upload my picture at d right time
So keep ur fingers crossed
U don't wanna miss that

I told you I uploaded my pic here before someone stole it. I suspect its Ileobatojo or Ifyalways or even you sef.

When is the right time? when you don reach babymama levels?

Oya upload something jare in the spirit of the season

YPP Oya your picture too lets see those curves

Promhize: Work hard and be successful! Stop going around showing off how poor and pained you are.

*i ain't taking sides*

And how do you know he is not more succesful than you

saintneo: On the contrary Suraj, I wonder what the Igbos said about the trio Zik, Bello & Awolowo. These three were meant to represent the entire nation not individual regions; however only one of them was nationalistic enough to cater for all and sundry sans tribal sentiments. If Okpara, Belewa & Akintola were tribalistic, I would forgive them because they were in direct competition against one another; however, Awolowo and Bello were below federal character; thus, they will never get will never get national approval.

Bello was the premier of the Northern region, Awolowo was the premier of the Western region.

jmaine: Put Buhari at the end of the ticket and watch the APC fail again in the SW albeit with a very low margin . . .only a Yoruba at the top of the poll will shake GEJ vote count very well. . . .

Buhari on the ticket guarantees 13 Northern states, Fashola on the ticket guarantees 6 SW states. 19 states in APC bag before the elections kickoff