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nateevs:
A successful pass is a pass to find a player. The more times this happens, the higher the ball retention capacity of the team.
Assist can come from anything. If Drogba takes a free kick, ball hits the woodwork and a player scores, it's an assist. That's not a pass. If Drogba shoots at goal and someone else scores, it's an assist. That's not a pass either.

There's a massive difference between an assist and a pass.

I gave you the stats.



In the 09/10 season, Drogba made 763 passes. - Suc 430, Unsuc 333. . . . 43% unsuccessful pass rate.
In the 09/10 season, Torres made 416 passes. - Suc 272, Unsuc 144. . . . . . . 34% unsuccessful pass rate.


Deal with it.

A succesful pass can be anything. A pass in midfield Drogba turns and square for a teammate to score, Torres plays it back to the Left full back

Torres has a succesful pass Drogba has an assist

2010/2011 Drogba 17 assist Torres 7 assist

An assist is worth more than a succesfull pass

Deal with it

nateevs:
Dude. I will not go on arguing like you do. I will concede to Drogba having more assists than Torres.
That said, it is the only thing Drogba has on Torres. Only thing. Assists sometimes can be overrated.

Torres makes more successful passes than Drogba and Torres has outscored Drogba in the league 58 to 53 goals.
All Torres' goals come from open play. No penalties and no free kicks. Torres is a pure striker. Not saying that Drogba isn't.
Therefore I can conclude that potentially Torres is a better team player than Drogba.

What next?

What are succesful passes? Someone has more assist and you are still on this succesful Denilson-Mikel passes? is it these Mikel-Denilson like passes that makes him a better team player?

Can you tell us how many penalties Drogba took? ARe you also forgetting that Torres played more games in those 4 yrs than Drogba?

Torres never had to go play Nations cup in between his seasons. Drogba had to come off the bench several times in fact Drogba was a sub 23 times in his first 4 seasons while Torres was a sub 11 times in 4 seasons.

Despite all these, Drogba was EPL top scorer 2 times already while Torres cant even win top scorer in Spanish division 2

coogar:
lampard is the first choice but in the games where lampard got substituted, drogba takes the ball and tucks it in.
i cannot count the number of direct freekicks drogba has hammered into the net - even with that, drogba's ratio is just a bit higher than torres'

if you take out drogba's pen kicks from it, he would be the lowest!

How many games did Lampard get substituted and how many penaties did Drogba score for Chelsea

nateevs:
Hehehehehehehe. Dayo don murder person ooooo.
Beer parlour analysis. Drogba had an inferior upbringing.

WTF are you saying? You've run out of stats now it's about upbringing eh?
Do you know how many players represented Spain in Torres' category and never made it?
What happened to their "privileged background" ?

What sort of moronic interpretation are you bringing up?
Dude, I give you one chance to go back to your stats.
Do go down this route, you won't even win.

Between age 23-27 Drogba won the Onze D Or. Was Europes most sought after striker.

Nateevs you should know when you have been owned. You are feather weight when it comes to football analysis. Just because I dont frequent this thread has made your opata go unchallenged for long.

Fact is Torres joined a football academy at age 5 while for drogba

In 1991, his parents also traveled to France; first to Vannes and then settling in 1993 at Antony in the Paris suburbs, at which point the 15-year-old Drogba returned to live with them and his siblings.[13] It was here that he began playing team football more frequently, joining a local youth side

He started 10years later.

Drogba meteoric rise between 2002 from an 80k transfer to 2004 24m transfer is something commendable

nateevs:
Okay. Torres outscores Drogba.

You brought out teamwork as an attribute of Torres yet stats has shown that in the last 4 seasons Drogba has had more contribution to goals than Torres either as the scorer or as the assist.

nateevs:
Fabulous piece of punditry!
How did I even miss that?

Plus they cannot add the goals from CL, Carling Cup, FA Cup when Liverpool would clearly have rested Torres for the Cup games and may not have have gone as far as Chelsea in the CL. The only valid and fair comparison would be the league and over four seasons in the league, Torres outscores Drogba.

The figures I gave you were strictly from EPL games not Carling, not FA cup and not Champions league. So any other point?

Goals + assist Drogba is miles ahead of Torres.

You can deduct Dtogbas penalties if you have the figures. I am still certain he would bag more points cos Lampard is the 1st choice penalty taker for Chelsea

Torres had a more priviledged background

Torres grew up in an academy and his parents introduced him to football at the age of 5 in a proper academy

Drogba probably saw a proper football field at the age of 15. I read that he actually started off as a defender.

At the same age of 15 Torres was already representing Spain

We can say that if Drogba has the proper environment Torres had he would have been wayyy better despite the bad background he is still better than Torres.

Between age 23- 27 actually within 2 yrs Drogba went from an $80,000 striker to a $24m Striker and the best striker in the whole of Europe in 2004.

Anyone who followed marseille in 2004 like I did would know that.

In terms of his team selection, [size=18pt]the only question-mark facing Heynckes relates to centre-half Badstuber, as the 22-year-old came down with the flu on Sunday. A decision on his fitness will be left until shortly before kick-off.[/size] Arjen Robben made a 10-minute comeback appearance against Leverkusen, but Heynckes declined to reveal whether the winger would start on Tuesday. “Every player in the squad is an option for the starting line-up," the coach stated with a broad smile

http://www.fcbayern.telekom.de/en/news/news/2011/31350.php

badstuber is a doubt for tomorrows game

nateevs:
Would you swap midfields? Remember Lamps, Ballack, Mikel, Makalele, Essien, Ballack, Deco to name a few all contributed to Drogba's goal ratio. Which would you rather have?

Now tell me they weren't inferior.

Those are stats up there. Now tell us why Torres has the worst goals + assist in the 4 strikers selected.

You are used to those beer parlour arguments because I dont come on this thread a lot.

Now lets have an argument, bring out your excel, Matlab, 4 figure table, or abacus and tell us why Torres has such dire numbers

DIDIER DROGBA GOALS + ASSIST 2007/2008 till date (53 + 38 =91)  Appearances 114

DIMITAR BERBATOV GOALS + ASSIST 2007/2008 till date (56 + 32 = 88) Apperances 135

WAYNE ROONEY  GOALS + ASSIST 2007/2008 till date (52 + 37 = 89) Appearances 120

FERNANDO TORRES GOALS + ASSIST 2007/2008 till date (66 + 18 = 84) Appearances 122

http://www.premierleague.com

Drogba that doesnt contribute to team play has 38 assists in 4 seasons while Torres that contribute to team play has less than half.

Trash talk comes in different way and I think nateevs has carved a niche for himself in senseless argument

Not minding the fact that Drogba is 4-5yrs older than Torres and his performance would only decline from now.

The period in consideration Drogba was between age 29-33 (When attacking players are in decline) and Torres was 23-27yrs (The age where strikers are at their peak)

Drogba goals + assists per game ratio is 0.8 While that of Torres is 0.7.

Drogba can not find a team mate yet his fellow attackers scored 74 goals

He spoils the shape yet the team scored 103 goals

He isnt a team player yet the team won a double in the season in question.

So what does his teamwork seeks to achieve if I may ask.

What has Torres contributed to any team he plays in in the past 10yrs?

How come Drogba has more assist than Torres, in all the seasons played together.

I doubt some people even watched Drogba at all

You need to watch Bayern vs Chelsea games on 2005. Drogba won every single aerial battle that won Chelsea the game

Uplawal,

So if the cleric wants to correct people against watching P0rnography, He needs to watch a 3 hour episode, and demonstrate every position and style they used befpre he can do that?

Good to have new Bayern fans here. You can always check our main thread once in a while

nateevs:
@Dayo

I am sorry I cannot reply to your post because it's bereft of any technical analysis.
The only thing I see is Torres was benched for Spain. What has that got to do with being a better Chelsea team player?
How can you even say what I'm saying does not make sense, when the evidence is glaring in the face?

How does it make sense to you that Drogba afeected team play the season when the team scored 103 goals with a +71 goals difference

What is the use the teamplay when it didnt stop the team from winning a double and breaking all goal scoring records

And 4 attacking players scoring 74 goals in between them

coogar:
wayne rooney has never been a top striker in any league - he's better than any striker in bundesliga.

That is because Wayne Rooney is not a top striker like Drogba or Torres. Its like asking Dennis Bergkamp to be a Goleador

Doesnt make any sense

coming from spain, it's expected.
if torres' parents were german, he would start for germany!
are you gon' tell me torres won't start for england, france, italy, germany or portugal?

Torres might start for England or Portugal as those are footballing minnows but I am sure Torres wont start for any top footballing nation If He is behind Negredo and even Lloriente in the pecking order, how would he now start for Germany

it means shyte!
torres did it when it matters. scoring in a european final game!
that alone is enough to prove he's world class!

Angelos Charisteas scored at the same level, That must mean he is world class

proudly9ja:
I think what 4ller is trying to say is that AW should learn how to 'punish' his players when necessary. I totally disagree with Warnock coming out in public to berate Traore and I think he himself realised it too but I am also of the view that Arsene hardly punishes his players as at when due!
Maybe he has learnt the hard way this season, I don't know but in seasons past, we have all had to endure mistakes upon mistakes made by players who then go on to appear on the team list the following match. Denilson, Senderous, Almunia, Clichy are all examples.
On whether Arsene castigates his players or not, I'm sure we all remember the famous half time 'team talk' at Liverpool some years back where his players came out to say they've never seen him like that before. Note Nasri's second sentence below:

Thomas Vermaellen
“I’ve never seen him before like that and we reacted very well. It was very important for us to win today – we have closed the gap a little bit and we are back in the race I think.”

Samir Nasri
'I've never seen the boss screaming like that before. Normally when we are behind he tries to highlight the positives about our play.

'But there was nothing positive this time. He just yelled. I didn't think he was capable of screaming like that.

'He told us we did not deserve to wear the Arsenal shirt, and he was right.'

Cesc Fabregas
"The boss screamed," said Fábregas, the Arsenal captain. "He was really disappointed with us in the first half. I've never seen him like that before. He said we didn't deserve to wear the Arsenal shirt and he was right because we really weren't good, we weren't up for it. But that gave us a boost and the second half was one of the best second halves we have played this season."

As for JET, the guy just joined Ipswich, he's just 21. He's played 7 times for Ipswich alread and scored a goal. 27 years old, experienced Marouane Chamakh has also played 7 matches for Arsenal this season and has scored 1 goal. What's the difference?

Spot phocking onn.

Shows why WenGAY is considered a failure among elite coaches

Nateevs

What you are yarning doesnt make one sense at all.

What is the essence of teamwork or whatever when the team loses.

With DD lack of teamwork, The team was breaking all scoring records so of what essence is Torres teamwork

When his NT has to stick him to the bench.

Whats the essense of the mor0nic teamwork when he couldnt score even in a brothel?

Whats the essence of the teamwork when he hasnt been highest goal scorer in ANy league for 10yrs

and to compare this to an Onze D or winner of 2004 and 2 times EPL highest goal scorer is insane

Retardeen is just a failure.

See as people dey lament

The guy told her he wanted to do ministry,

Why didnt she complain then? The man was unemployed before marriage, why didnt you complain then

Now he has turned to a Bullshitter when he saved you from the hopless shelf of ageing spinsterhood

This is insanity.

Ibime:
Now Nateevs is saying its DD and Lamps fault that the team struggle without them. I guess its Zidanes fault that France struggle without him or Rooneys fault that Utd struggle without him.

This is the worst stuff I have read on www. Drogba is at fault when the team struggles without him.

Who is at fault when the team plays better without Torres?

Tell me what single individual honours Torres has won in 10yrs as a pro footballer

Highest goal scorer in any competition?

El Guapo:
[color=#0066ff]^^ You should have noted that your criticism of Torres is basically centered on his not been a League top scorer ever, then that gets me to ask this Question - Does been a League top scorer model one a complete striker {footballer per say}?

Buddy u got to recall that not every great attacker have had it nicely with winning the Pichichi, Capocannonieri or any other top scorers award - Aguero, Tevez, Rooney, Higuan are all case study! In same vien not every top star is meant to win top awards like the Ballon d'or or World best - Davor Suker, Schmeichel, Raul, Henry etc all make the list

El Nino has proved he's a class, not Selfish, not the Profligacy type and definitely a Match Winner, he've proved that he can score against any team, breach any defence something DD could find hard to do {Man Utd been a study case - managing jxt 2 or 3 goals in his many yrs against them}

Form is temporary but Class is permanent and El Nino is a class! [/color]

Show me one top class striker who has never been top striker in any league for almost a decade of pro soccer.

Show me a striker who has to be stuck to the bench for his team to win the World cup

Only example is Fernando Torres

How can one play ahead of Xavi and Iniesta and still turn in such horrible numbers

Bayernobi,

Dont bother yourself.

Most of those posting are Asdsanal fans they have been trophyless for 6 seasons

They are here to pour out their frustrations Trophyless folks

I am not a Lion, A General, Goliath, Pharaoh Or A King - [size=28pt]I AM RETARDEEN ODECHUKWU ADEMUMU JONATHAN[/size]

We had presidents who thought Abacha was doing a good job

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=768267.msg9219783#msg9219783 date=1317013306]So Nigerians could not afford oil w/o the subsidy? Do you have evidence of this? How much oil does your typical Nigerian consume per year? Is he spending 40% or 50% of his budget on oil?[/quote]Every part of our lives is tied to oil, Oil increase, then transportation fares increase, Power generation cost increase cost of food increases, The increase in Oil prices affects everything

BTW, given that most of the subsidy is stolen away and your typical Nigerian sees very little of the subsidy, how is he surviving now if the oil is too expensive?
Where would the US government get the money for the subsidy? Through additional taxation, right? The subsiidy would only distort the market. I doubt the US government would subsidize it, except for the very poor perhaps.

Unlikely to be a blanket subsidy.

By that same American standards, 90% of Nigerians are poor. Minimum wage in US is $7/hr That translates to $1100 per month which is like N180,000. That amount in Nigeria is more than what 80% of fresh graduates earn.

Why not just pay market prices? Even if there is oil refined in Nigeria, who would want to sell the refined oil in Nigeria if they can make double the money selling it elsewhere?

Can we just ask the government to pay the market prices of Minimum wage too? If we are going to pay for commodities prices similar to what Americans pay then we should earn similar to what Americans earn

Never in life do you gain something for nothing.
I wish this worked for iPhones, meat, cars, computers, home furnishings, etc. All of which Nigerians pay roughly the same price (or more!) than Americans.

Meat, Home furnishing are cheaper in Nigeria than in the US. cars , iphones computers, we dont produce and are not really essentials of life.

The government should subsidize meat, computer, cement, potato, pounded yam, rice, gari, palm wine, etc. 100% of the budget spent on recurrent expenditure. Just purely on subsidies.

Subsidies are everywhere in the world

The United States currently pays around $20 billion per year to farmers in direct subsidies as "farm income stabilization"[9][10][11] via U.S. farm bills.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_subsidy#United_States

pereze:
At your age you should not be discussing PDP because reading your post is a living proof that some humans can live without using their brain! Now that you are still growing up, such heavy weight issue will definitely bend you over.

Can you tell someone more intelligent to help you put your thoughts into words? Cos it doesnt seem you passed primary school exams with this kind of English you are writing.

It could be communication or thinking itself

Dapo, Iphone is not a necesity, Oil is a necesity.

Assuming a particular vaccine that every American needs to take daily comes mainly from China and its very expensive, Would the US govt leave it to market forces to dictate?

Crude oil is local to Nigeria, Refined oil can be made in Nigeria So why pay the same amount as countries who dont have it locally?

I bet vodka would be cheaper in Russia than in US, Just like Amala would be cheaper in Nigeria than in Siberia.

IF YOU WANT NIGERIANS TO PAY EQUAL AMOUNT AS AMERICANS THEN PAY THEM AS MUCH AS AMERICANS

Odunnu:
Lmao

Its funny because only a PDP person can be that reetarded this statement should be trademarks of Odechukwu retardeen Jonathan, Patience or OBJ

The cost of the cheapest bread in Nigeria might be like N25.

Can you tell me where you can get bread for $0.15 in the US?

A plate of Amala in the US goes for at least $12-$15 While the same plate of Amala in Nigeria would go for less than $5.

iphone cant be cheaper because its not produced in Nigeria.

Selling oil for the same price as they sell for in US would only make sense if the purchasing power in Nigeria is similar to the US

People buy with money they make, So where do you expect them to get money to buy from?

Since you havent phocked him, maybe he is w@nkin on your undies.

He would send them back to you in a few years when he is done, They would be hard like starched Guinea Brocade

arsenefc:
I though density was mass/ volume? Meaning, the mass is very very important.

Ileke wants to kill  ketekete.

Ileke, e ma fo gba le ooooooo

Fstranger bawo ni?

Is he a PDP governor? Cos he sounds as clueless as one

Price of bread in Nigeria is not similar to price of bread in the US.

No price is similar in both countries.

Bread is about $1.50 in US, Are you saying the cheapest bread is N220 in Nigeria.

People can only spend what they earn.

I was making like N250k per month in Nigeria working in a Multinational company and was considered one of the top earners in the society for my age range then, That would be around $1,700 per month.

My colleagues in the US earned about 3 times more working for the same company .

You cant price commodities beyond the spending power of consumers

You cant expect someone who earns $1.50 per hour to buy for a similar price as someone who earns $7.50.

Things are actually cheaper if you live in a poor community.

An escort in Manhattan would collect $500 in Thailand you can screw a whole village with that amount