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2014 World Cup Final;

Germany versus Argentina.
Messi lost and won the silver medal.

They tag it "when it matterered the most."



2014 World Cup Group Stage;

Portugal versus USA.
Ronaldo choked and could not qualify for the second round. Got sent out of the tournament.

But it's only a group stage match so They tag it "When it didn't matter most"




Abeg let them find cure for this corona first then they can focus and find cure for the eediocy of this eeediot.

pu7pl3:
No you shut up...how can you call someone the best player when the person chokes time and time again[b] when it matters the most [/b]and you admit that fact but your brain is still soo warped from spending soomuch time in Messi's arse...

You gave me supposed matches where you thought Ronaldo ghosted and I also gave you Some matches where Messi definitely ghosted but here you are crying foul play, trying to twist and turn just like the Cule that you are

Life must be hard for you

lol

I thought you were crying about being vulgar..

When it matters the most!
When it matters the most!!

It didn't matter the most when he destroyed Man U in UCL final 2009.

It didn't matter the most when he destroyed Man U in UCL final in 2011.

It didn't matter the most when he destroyed Madrid with a hattrick at 19.

It didn't matter the most when he destroyed Madrid in the UCL semi final in 2011.

It didn't matter the most when he destroyed Bayern in the 2015 UCL semi final in 2015.

It didn't matter The the most when he assisted Suarez's goal in the 2015 UCL final.

It didn't matter the most when he destroyed Bilbao in the 2017 Copa del Rey final.

It didn't matter the most when he won the 2018 la liga title for Barca with a lone goal against Atletico Madrid.

It didn't matter the most when Argentina were going to miss the 2018 world cup until he scored a hattrick to qualify them.

It didn't matter the most when Argentina were looking for a place in the Copa America final and he destroyed USA in the semi final.


In your limited knowledge of the game, any game that Barca ends up losing is what you tag "matters the most".

Is your thinking faculty a self contain?

Lemme even try to remember some other games beyond the semi finals and finals.

I have memeories of Ronaldo performing against Bayern, Wolfsburg and Athletico.

Messi performing against Bayern, Liverpool, Tottenham, Man U,

And to the National team I have memories of Ronaldo performing against Spain yet choking against Uruguay, Chile, USA and Germany...


Nor be only big game player...




If Messi choked against Chile, Ronaldo choked against France.

If Messi choked against Chile, Ronaldo choked against Holland.

If Messi choked against Germany at the world cup 2014 final, Ronaldo couldn't even cross the group stage.

Whish one be Ronaldo is a big game player Messi is not a big game player?


Lubbish.

pu7pl3:
Vulgar words can't help you here... It's just childish diversion and it doesn't work on someone like me(I'm sure you not used to that) it's proof I'm already under your not so thick Cule skin

If you want to really get down just shut up and list the "uP tO 50o" ...do a side by side comparison and get back to me

Semi final and Final matches are not the only big matches that exist so you can't limit your arguement just to that cos you want to push a narrative which you will still woefully lose at btw...Messi is simply a CHOKE ARTIST

This all isn't even about Messi.

I have never argued that Messi performs in every big game.
He has performed in some and failed in some.

You are the one who always enjoys having an erection in bragging that Ronaldo is the big game player while Messi is the choker big games.

I just gave you a list of 12 semi finals and finals matches he played in.

Assess them and prove your big game player.

Put up or shut up boy.

pu7pl3:
Vulgar words can't help you here... It's just childish diversion and it doesn't work on someone like me(I'm sure you not used to that) it's proof I'm already under your not so thick Cule skin

If you want to really get down just shut up and list the "uP tO 50o" ...do a side by side comparison and get back to me

Semi final and Final matches are not the only big matches that exist so you can't limit your arguement just to that cos you want to push a narrative which you will still woefully lose at btw...Messi is simply a CHOKE ARTIST

Oga oya Sorry, look beyond the "vulgar words" and name the semi final and final matches where your Lord did not choke...

This isn't so difficult, is it?

pu7pl3:
Ask Juve fans this, they will be more than willing to school you....

As a Real Madrid fan I can recount how many times he has bailed us out through sheer will and genius in big matches and matches in general alike..there is no arguement there

Name them big matches and stop acting like your brain got stuck on a ceiling fan.

*His biggest games in a Madrid jersey against Liverpool and Athletico he choked.

*His biggest game in a Juve jersey against Ajax he choked.

*His biggest game in a Portugal jersey against France and Holland he choked.


What big game

You clowns confusing big games for tap-ins against Athletico Madrid.

Biiiiiitch pleeeease!

pu7pl3:
First of all I know you lack basic football knowledge so you think a match must only be a semi final or a final to be considered as a big match..I won't indulge you based on this...first wean yourself of this uneducated garbage if a mentality then we can trade points..

For now kindly choke on your L, which you and your ewure should be accustomed to by now

Like I said before I only refered to Semi Finals and Finals in order to limit the sample space of this argument.

In most cases big games don't come any bigger than Semi Finals and Finals.

If you want me to refer to the entirety of their career matches then I could list 500 big games where your godronaldo choked to death.


So let's start with Semis and Finals.

Your god has played about 12 semi finals and finals and choked in 10 of them and you're still here gobbling on his manh00d.

Just fuccckk off son!

pu7pl3:
Where is the lie? Ronaldo is undeniably the better player especially when it really matters..you are trying hard to birdbox it but you are only shooting yourself in the foot with this angle, y'all Messi asslicking Cules are just addicted to taking L's smh

I crossed out the article cos it wasn't factual, there was absolutely no need for me to fuss over something like that, schooling you was just out of the benevolence of my big heart but you on the other hand crossed out facts, not opinions but real facts so carry this pathetic bucket of attempted reverse psychology and pour it on your Argentine shatta bandle asslicking self


Shut up there, you picked all the available matches that you thought would suit your silly narrative, you have nothing going for you in this arguement you sucker for pain


Shut up again...this is more okoto meow yarns, nobody said Messi doesn't have big game feats, they are just very few and far between unlike that of Ronaldo and this is mainly due to his lack of grit and weak mentality which has permeated into y'all Cules over the years


[s][/s]. More unadulterated BS...




This nigga clearly has nothing to say... E say off the top of my head yen yen yen [img]https://media./images/4fdcb3d711b4b83faf6efefce72964ce/tenor.gif[/img]

ddippset:
I see someone spreading that big game falsehood as usual...


Ronaldo's Big games in finals and semi finals that I can think of;

1. Manchester United versus Chelsea; 2008 champions league final. CHOKED...
2. Manchester United versus Barcelona; 2009 champions league final. CHOKED...
3. Real Madrid versus Athletico; 2014 champions league final. CHOKED....
4. Real Madrid versus Athletico; 2016 champions league final. CHOKED.....
5. Real Madrid versus Liverpool; 2018 champions league final. CHOKED.
6. Portugal versus France; Euro 2016 Final. CHOKED FOR 28 Minutes then got injured.
7. Portugal versus Chile; 2017 Confed cup semi final. CHOKED.
8. Portugal versus Holland; 2019 UEFA Nations league final. CHOKED.
9. Portugal versus Greece; Euro 2004 semi final. CHOKED.
10.Juventus verus Lazio; Copa Italia final 2019. CHOKED.
11. Juventus versus Ajax; 2019 champions league semi final. CHOKED.

Good Games.

10. Real Madrid versus Juventus; 2017 champions league final.
11.Real Madrid versus Bayern; 2017 champions league semi final.



Big Game player...

Selected matches?

Oya now, give us the semi final and final matches not listed here where your Lord and personal saviour did not choke himself to death.

Go ahead b00b.

Don't rush and don't type too much so we could make points.

Expect him to choke on this question and run to focus on Messi as usual!!!




2 choke artists..

honeyB2018:
Johnmartus.
Am not a buharist, nor an apc and I will never be.I will not insult buhar, neither will I support those doing so. If you think it's only your so called 5 percenters that are angry with him, check the response.
If you feel that buhari has handled Nigerians well, May your life and the life of all yours be handled by God and man the way he has handled Nigeria and Nigerians.

Wrong prayer.

Infact Nigeria is very complex, no President has handled Nigeria well.


In my rating none of Obadanjo, Jonathan and Buhari will get a 40 percent pass mark for the way they handled Nigeria.


The problem is that people who insult Buhari are those who support PDP or Jonathan.

So you too if you feel Jontahenn handled Nigeria well,

May your life be handled by God the way Jonathan and OBJ handled Nigeria.

Say Amen.

Op doesn't know where he is.

They have been insulting and wishing him dead since 2015 but the man is looking younger and fresher.

Some swore he would die before his first tenure but he became healthier and younger.

Some swore that God hates Buhari and will take his life but they have died before him.

Some swore he will not return in 2019 but he's here.

Some swore he was Jibrin because of how fresh and healthy he is looking.

Buhari is President and will receive pension for life.

Some will not live till 75 like Buhari.

Maybe it is the insults that are keeping him alive and fresh.

A lot of them; when you advice them to criticise but not insult, they say you insulted Jonathan too.

What law says that anyone who tells you to stop insulting Buhari was among those who insulted Jonathan?


And then they say what goes around comes around Wtf! Was it Buhari that insulted Jonathan?


So Please everybody don't stop ooh. Continue the insults.

The man is waxing.

Some won't even live as long as Buhari has lived.

Some of you, even your parents won't live as long as Buhari.

So continue wishing him dead and insulting.

Shellsploit:
Prayer for Nigeria in Distress.

All powerful and merciful Father. You are the God of Justice, Love and peace, you rule over all the nations of the earth. Power and might are in your hands and no one can withstand you. We present our country Nigeria before you, we praise and thank you for you are the source of all we have and are.

We are sorry for all the sins we have committed and the good deeds we have failed to do. In your loving forgiveness, keep us safe from the punishments we deserved. Lord, we are weighed down not only by uncertainties but also by moral, economic and political problems. And a health problem. we are weighed down by clueless and inept leaders. Listen to the cries of your people who confidently turn to you.

God of infinite goodness, our strength in adversity, our health in weakness, our comfort in sorrow. Be merciful, to us your people; spare this nation Nigeria from chaos, anarchy and doom. Spare us bad leaders. Bless us with your kingdom of Justice, Love and Peace.

We ask this through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen

Amen.

Jokerman:
Lol... You Messi fans na wa for una ... After dissecting Messi,you want to use diversity tactics

Na lie

Messi fans hardly even speak about him being the big game player that Ronaldo is not.

On the contrary Ronaldo fans always try to discredit Messi by calling him a big game choker; while calling Ronaldo a big game player.

When the skirt is up, what we see beneath is a Ronaldo who has choked in 90 percent of the biggest games he has played.

Ronaldo Big Game player! Ronaldo Big Game player!!

Oya see the big games na;



Agbaya jumped ship and started talking about Messi.

biomustry:
So you mean Ronaldo has been getting it cos he was in Madrid. Right

Surely na.

pu7pl3:
[s][/s]

[s]clownery at its finest, even adding games where Ronaldo absolutely dominated....now let me school you on why Messi is the worst big game player of all time
No opinions, only facts



He hasn’t scored an away goal in the Champions League beyond the round of 16 since April 2, 2013, when he scored in a 2–2 draw against Paris Saint-Germain in the quarter-final.
Messi has since played in nine away knockout matches beyond the last 16, failing to score in any of them.

In 2009 Barcelona played Chelsea in the Champions League SF. Messi was absolutely horrible, failed to score home or away. This was the born of Uefalona, Chelsea were denied 4 clear penalties. Barcelona should have been eliminated and thus this CL win is void.

In 2010 Barcelona played Inter in the CL semifinals. Messi, as is often the case with him in big games was absolutely rubbish. He recorded ZERO assists or goals over the two legs and Barca were eliminated.

In the 2010 World Cup, Messi played 5 matches. In all the tournament combined he scored a grand total of 0 goals, “ZERO” in five matches and registered a single assist only. Argentina were eliminated in the quarterfinals.

In 2012, Barca faced Chelsea again, but with no referees to help, they were eliminated. Messi again drank the potion of invisibility. He did not score or assist in 180 minutes, also missed the penalty that would’ve sent Barca through. Later he was found in Gary Cahill’s pocket.

In 2013 UCL semifinals, Messi again was a bystander for the entire game as Barcelona were beaten and embarrassed by Bayern 7–0. He did not score or assist in 180 minutes of play, as Barca crashed out.

In 2014 UCL quarters, Messi was again his usual horrible self against Atletico Madrid. He dropped one of the worst performances of his career over the 2 legs, not once scoring or assisting. He missed several easy chances in the 2nd leg, including an easy tap in from a metre out.

In 2014 World Cup, Messi stat padded against teams like Iran, Nigeria & bosnia herzegovina in the group stages. But he had ZERO goals & assists combined against Belgium QF, Holland SF & Germany in the final. Again not showing up in big matches when his team needed him the most. In the World Cup final, Messi was through 1v1 vs Neuer. It was time for Messi to finally get the most prestigious trophy in football. But Messi, being the choker he is, missed an absolute sitter and put it wide. No one, but Messi is to be blamed for this loss.

In 2016, Messi again put his usual UCL semifinal disaster class. This time ZERO goals and assists in 180 minutes against Atletico Madrid. The second leg away was one of his worst career games, choking a 2–1 lead from the first leg.

In 2015 and 2016, Messi lost back to back Copa America finals with Argentina. He had ZERO goals and assists in both finals. He crumbled under pressure in the 2016 final shootout and missed the penalty. After this humiliating defeat, he took a fake retirement.

In 2017 UCL quart finals, Messi again ghosted, this time against Juventus in the quarterfinals. He again did not score or assist in both legs. Barca were humbled 3–0 and were sent packing. His national teammate, Paulo Dybala, outshone him over the two legs.

In 2018 UCL quarters, Messi and co were again sent packing, this time, by Roma. Messi’s performance at the Olimpico will go down as the worst ever performance by a superstar in CL history. Didn’t do anything & missed an absolute sitter. Messi bottled a 4–1 lead.

At the 2018 World Cup, Messi again choked at the grandest stage of world football. He missed a penalty against Iceland, who’s keeper is a film director. He was invisible against Croatia in a 3–0 thrashing, and again, vs France as Argentina were knocked out.

In 2019 UCL, Messi stat padded against weak opposition but went missing again when the going got tough. He was knocked out by Liverpool, after winning the first leg 3–0. Another all time Champions League bottle job.
He’s is the best player in spain right now I admit but outside la liga the Argentine Frodo Baggins is shit with a weak mentality can never be my goat[/s]

The narrative is changing.

This really isn't about Messi but about Ronaldo.

It is you Raonaldo c0ck suckers who always run around calling Ronaldo the big game player who delivers when it matters while to y'all Messi is the choker who choked at big games.

You need to address those big games I listed out, not cross out the article, lol.

Small pikin sense!


I decided to restrict my analysis to semi finals and finals only because if I had taken all games like you did, i would probably list at least 500 big games where your MCM Ronaldo choked.


Fact is; Big players play lot of games; they have good games and they have bad games; No arguing with that.

I could go on and on, naming Messi's good big games like his El Classico classic at 19 but there's no time and need for that cus i would be here for the next 1 week and more.


You Ronaldo fan boys need to quit with that deceptive narrative that Ronaldo is the one who performs in big games while Messi is the one chokes in big games; simply because Real Madrid dominated the UCL and win 3 in a row, with Ramos, and Bale being the real big game players.


Off the top of my head, I just listed 10 big games where he flopped and choked, and instead of disputing them, you came upbwith some opata yarns.

The only thing you had to say was that Ronaldo performed in some of the games I listed.

Yet just see your list on Messi!

Just because he did not Score, you listed them as flop games.

Purge yourself of this inherent stupidity and address my list on Ronaldo, since he's the big game player.

peterd53:
Man U vs Barca 2008 semifinals choked
Portugal vs Spain euro 2012 semifinals choked( baba deh wait for last penalty)
Uruguay vs Portugal 2018 World Cup choked

There's been so much about Ronaldo being a big game player bla bla.

Delivering when it matters most bla bla.

But if you just chill for a minute and check you would realize that the man has actually choked and flopped in 90 percent of his big games.

Rubbish!

haymekus:
He also choked against Lyon too

I am waving that.

Since they are talking about the big big games, I want to restrict to semi finals amd finals only.

I see someone spreading that big game falsehood as usual...


Ronaldo's Big games in finals and semi finals that I can think of;

1. Manchester United versus Chelsea; 2008 champions league final. CHOKED...
2. Manchester United versus Barcelona; 2009 champions league final. CHOKED...
3. Real Madrid versus Athletico; 2014 champions league final. CHOKED....
4. Real Madrid versus Athletico; 2016 champions league final. CHOKED.....
5. Real Madrid versus Liverpool; 2018 champions league final. CHOKED.
6. Portugal versus France; Euro 2016 Final. CHOKED FOR 28 Minutes then got injured.
7. Portugal versus Chile; 2017 Confed cup semi final. CHOKED.
8. Portugal versus Holland; 2019 UEFA Nations league final. CHOKED.
9. Portugal versus Greece; Euro 2004 semi final. CHOKED.
10.Juventus verus Lazio; Copa Italia final 2019. CHOKED.
11. Juventus versus Ajax; 2019 champions league semi final. CHOKED.

Good Games.

10. Real Madrid versus Juventus; 2017 champions league final.
11.Real Madrid versus Bayern; 2017 champions league semi final.



Big Game player...

Stupid to suggest Messi needs move from Barcelona’ – Carragher doesn’t rank Ronaldo higher for having changed clubs
yahoo.com Mar 27, 2020 6:31 PM
‘Stupid to suggest Messi needs move from Barcelona’ – Carragher doesn’t rank Ronaldo higher for having changed clubs
Lionel Messi does not need a move away from Barcelona in order to enhance his legacy, says Jamie Carragher, with it “stupid” to suggest that the six-time Ballon d’Or winner should follow the lead of eternal rival Cristiano Ronaldo.

The Portuguese superstar has taken on a number of different challenges over the course of his career.

Ronaldo started out in his homeland with Sporting, before going on to take in spells with Manchester United, Real Madrid and Juventus.

In contrast, Messi has remained loyal to Barca after stepping out of their famed La Masia academy system and has been tipped to hang up his boots as a one-club man.

Former Liverpool defender Carragher, who spent all of his playing days at Anfield, does not share the opinion that Messi needs to prove himself outside of Barca in order to top the list of all-time greats.

“It’s just stupid. It’s absolutely daft,” Carragher told CaughtOffside of that debate.

“He’s at the top club, he’s the best player there, he’s the best player in Europe.

“The best show up against the best on the biggest occasions and that’s what he does so I don’t really listen (to other’s opinions). Fair play to Ronaldo and well done, but it’s not something to criticise Messi for.”

Carragher believes Ronaldo has traded clubs in an effort to prove a point to those who continue to compare him with Messi.

The ex-England international added: “I think that’s why Ronaldo’s moved. I think he knows that he’s always been seen as just behind Messi, so I think Ronaldo’s quite clever.

“I can say I’ve won the league in all these countries, been the top scorer in all these countries and these are more strings to my bow … I also think he probably does the opposite to what Messi does to try and paint himself as being slightly different.

“Listen, I don’t think of Franco Baresi and Paolo Maldini being any less of a defender because they never left AC Milan. So that’s not going to change me with Lionel Messi not leaving Barcelona. I mean, why would you leave Barcelona?”



The bolded absolutely summarizes Jokerman and his friends.

Jokerman:
Lol... Even giggs and robben used their right foot more than Messi

Is it by force to live up to your moniker?

Stop forcing it Bro.

Jokerman:
How can you place someone who has won only club trophies over someone who won both club and country trophies?

The same way you can place Zlatan over Pedro.

Jokerman:
Can Messi use his right foot?

His right foot for what?

Is it to score goals and make assists?

Or is it for karate'?



If it is for goals and assists then tell us how many goals and assists Ronaldo's 2 legs have us compared to how many Messi's 1 leg have us.

But if it is for karate' then I must have to admit Ronaldo is more complete.

sapientia:
You just made no point.

You must be a nagging lady.

All you want is to win.. Sense or not.

Oya, you win... Go and carry trophy.

Such comment is very typical of a person who realized that he said something stupid and got found out.

How does a Tankonized Supreme Court mess up APC like in Rivers and Zamfara?

Does that even sound logical to you.??

Yeye!

sapientia:
Don't allow illiteracy to eat you up.

There is what is called electoral law.

What we have today as electoral law is mostly from Justice Uwais panel formed after the charade of 2007 election.

So even if OBJ is on seat now, nothing he can do.

Rivers and Zamfara was not the fault of PDP but APC and judgements were on existing electoral law.

How did Amechi become Governor?

How did a Tankonized Supreme could Bleep APC up like that in Rivers and Zamfara?

Now you would claim electoral law!

Of course when the Supreme Court favours PDP it is the electoral act at play.

But whenever it favours PDP it becomes the Tankonization.

Jokers!

sapientia:
Trash from supreme court.

Like we don't know its all about IMO.

Fraudulent Judges rolling out Tankonized Judgements back to back.

Evil lots.

Hope it's not the carelessness of Buhari in handling this Coro pandemic that is making me too bitter.

Its pains me badly.

Posts like this are why I hate Buhari for forming "I don't care" on party issues.
Because no matter what happens these wailers must insult him.

Wish it was OBJ.
His party would never be disqualified by any court like in Rivers and Zamfara.

Arysexy:
Is that all you could say. This time he favoured APC. He is no longer IPOB Justice?

Hypocrisy smelling everywhere

Don't mind that blooody hypocrite.

For Imo he wrote one full page of epistle praising the minority judgement.

This one he's telling us "as usual"

Jokerman:
Lol... I tire o

Igwe Henry was doing all these too

You started all this by calling Pele and Ronaldo more complete...

So only Pele And Ronaldo could use both feet and the head too


You people develope selective amnesia when arguing.

Jokerman:
Can't Pele or Ronaldo or Maradona do all this??

Una get sense at all?

So why did you call Pele and Cristiano Ronaldo more complete?

Are they the only ones in the history of football that could use both feet and their heads?

Sommyroy10:
Username checks out

A joker indeed!

Jokerman:
Opinions aren't the same things as fact and records and acheivements... Just imagine if there was social media during Pele and Maradona time.....

Well facts shows

Pele
Maradona

Zidane
Cr7
Ronaldo
Messi

Cryuff
Di stephano

Opinions do not form facts and records.

On the contrary, facts and records form opinions.

Jokerman might decide to interprete his facts and records in a certain way while ddippset and Fillipe Melo might decide to imterprete their facts and records in a different way.

At the end of the day it becomes a democratic process.
To make an analogy, if by any chance 80 percent of the world think that Pedro is better than Maradona; so be it.
Pedro is better than Maradona.
Not anyone of the remaining 20 percent is gonna tell us shit about Maradona winning the world cup singlehandedly or anything like that.

Majority opinion would supersede a minority opinion 2-4-7.

90 percent of the time the GOAT debate is centred around Pele, Maradona and Messi.

Wishing this away is impossible.

Just live with it.

Jokerman:
Pele's record is on Wikipedia

Euors is the equivalent of Copa

Lol... No one calls Ronaldo the greatest ever, Pele is

Makes Ronaldo records more colourful than winning one league

@Bolded; But of course no one does that!
Who would?


But so many call Messi the Greater Ever.

Fillipe Melo just did last week.


And that is despite him not winning a Senior National Team trophy.

Despite!

Jokerman:
Pele
Cr7

More complete

There they go again!

When we say complete we are not talking of most complete body parts ffs. This ain't yoga or gymnastics.


This is football.
We are talking of most complete player.

A complete player is one that can play as many aspects of the game as possible;
Score, Assist, Create Chances, Pass, Dribble.

These are components of the game!

Don't tell me left leg, right leg, head and diick...