onumadu:


As for Ironsi, you people didn't even allow him to stay in office for more than 6 months.
Till today, only intellectually challenged people would believe the story being bandied about Ironsi.
It is like judging Enerst Shonekan. Ironsi and Shonekan are in the same class.
Give an Igbo man 4 years (never mind 8 years) and see whether he won't transform Nigeria beyond the usual black man's level.
I don't want to get into the Ironsi story because it is the usual strategy you people use to change the subject and derail threads like this one.
You can believe whatever you want about Ironsi, and I won't argue over it.

How will you be able to get the Ironsi issue when you don't understand how important the adherence to the constitution is in genuine nation building. Ironsi tampered with a sovereign and truly people's constitution thus sparking off a constitutional crisis which consumed him and sparked off a war.
Comparing Ironsi with Shonekan is at best dubious because Shonekan was more of a figurehead civilian while Ironsi was a military despot who had raw power and authority in his hands.

Give Igbo man four years to transform Nigeria? How much have your Igbo governors been able to transform your SE Region beyond the usual black man's level for the 25 years they have ruled in the SE so far?

rdokoye:


Did Igbo people truncate Nigeria's democracy or did the military do it? The fact that they were led by an Igbo man is/was irrelevant. The military did what it felt right, to rescue the country from whatever plight they thought was enveloping the country at the time.

The actions of the coup leader is no more a reflection of Igbo people, than the countless coups that occurred afterwards, by primarily Northern military officers. I don't see anyone blaming the entirety of the North for the actions of a few opportunistic military figures. No, that treatment is only reserved for Igbo people, along with all the other rationalisations people like yourself have, for just being an outright dreadful human being.

And those military men where majorly of which tribe?
Rescue the nation from which plight? Didn't that rescuing end up in a civil war? Aren't people now of the opinion that Nigeria would have been better than it is today if that coup never happened? Why take power illegally for any excuse? The revenge coup was a Northern coup and those who carried it out don't deny that. Only you Igbos have refused to admit yours because you want to keep playing the victim card. The January 15 1966 coup is an Igbo coup because the pattern of the casualties and the eventual beneficiary revealed that there was a predetermined outcome aimed at elevating Igbos above other tribes by illegal means.

rdokoye:


Abiola had a chequered past, with ties to drug trafficking in the Americas. Obasanjo was better than that tribal champion you mentioned.

Yaradua was the only realistic candidate on the ballet, given the rotational system that was "supposedly" in motion. Though, that's all gone to crap with another Yoruba man emerging as president, and a tribal champion at that.

Abiola and drug trafficking? There is no pile of shit you lots can't cook up to rationalize your blunders.

Falae a tribal champion? Another pile of shit to defend another blunder. If anything, Obasanjo is actually the tribal champion for refusing to send soldiers to level Shagamu and Ota in his SW home when the natives murdered security men on duty after having done so in Odi and Zakibiam on the same excuse. But how would a typical Igbo man notice that when all that he is preoccupied with is sentiments?

The goal post has now shifted to 'most realistic' from the 'best'. Comedians.

How did you forget that the death of zoning started with Jonathan with you Igbos' active support? Going by the true spirit of the zoning, a Northerner was supposed to have completed Yaradua's remaining 5½ years but When Jonathan chose to violate it, it was you Igbos' voice that was loudest in arguing that zoning is not in the Nigerian constitution and that Jonathan had his fundamental right to seek office. But now that Tinubu too exercised that same right to seek office, you suddenly remember that zoning should have been adhered to because he is from an ethnic group you love to hate.

rdokoye:


Yoruba people have successfully alienated themselves. I think, EVERYONE in Nigeria is now against Yoruba people, or at the very least, don't trust a word that comes out of any of their mouths.

Still doesn't have any bearing with my comment.

Oriental4:


The election of 2023 is actually proof of the OP position that they're the most intelligent tribe in Africa. Imagine a people who saw through the Tinubu and Buhari incompetence. You rather owe Igbo an apology for low intelligence voting dragging them back. I can't laugh abeg...that you're even proud of voting Tinubu has evinced your low IQ, which is what the OP is about. So let's not derail rthe post. It's about Igbos inability to stop the colonialist unlike the Japanes. If you have a view on that please.

A high IQ people who vote for Shagari a barely educated Fulani man. The same high IQ people, at a moment as critical as independence, chose an alliance that would give power to the educationally most backward part of the country.
A high IQ people who voted for a barely educated Alhaji Bashir Tofa over Abiola a first class graduate of Accountancy from University of Glasgow Scotland in the 1993 election. A high IQ people who voted for Arthur Nzeribe twice into the Senate after the same Arthur Nzeribe helped the FG import weapons which were used to kill millions of them during the Biafra war. A high IQ people who were initially of the opinion that Peter Obi failed as governor in Anambra but suddenly began to bath him with accolades of performance when it began to appear that he was a serious contender for the post.
A high IQ people who have been voting to power as their own governors the likes of Orji Uzor Kalu, Theodore Orji, Ikpeazu (Mr. Kerosene), who all milked dry their state's purses , and worst of all whitewashed Peter Obi who invested state funds into his family business.
May God never give me that kind of IQ.

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Funny and phoney excuses. Azikiwe did all he did and said all he said in representative capacity on behalf of Igbos who elected him to the federal Parliament of those times. Else how come no single Igbo man is recorded to have publicly tackled him or moved a motion for his recall from that Parliament?
If anything, Igbos are actually the herd mentality voting tribes. Check the results of last presidential election and see that Obi won in all the states in his SE Region while voters in the regions of Atiku and Tinubu didn't overwhelmingly vote for them as they each lost at least one of the states in their home regions meaning that in such states their brothers were able to rise above ethnic considerations in making their choices. Again Igbos voted as herd for Jonathan while in all other regions it was split. Likewise for Yaradua. Please you are more needed in romance or comedy section.

Oriental4:


Let me answer:
1) Igbos are fighting on many fronts: The Europeans, Americans, and fellow black tribes being used to keep the great tribe dragged back.

You may need to expatiate on the above and cite specific instances if you are to be taken seriously.

Oriental4:


2) Igbo are too individualistic and have united only once during Biafra.

This is not true. Igbos had always found unity and unanimity in political choices prior to independence and the war. Their choice of NPC-NCNC coalition was unanimous. Their decision to suppress their quest for independence till the North was ready to be part of Nigeria was unanimous. Also their choice to fight and kill secession clause proposal was in unity. And so much more.

Oriental4:


I think they do not know their full potential and that the West doesn't want them to herald the African renaissance. If only Igbo could realise how much the black races depend on their unity, they'd not wait for only calamity such as Biafra to unite them. Igbo clans and families are more interested in pursuing money than pursuing nationhood - which is what Africa needs from them. Even our less endowed African tribes are not aware they're mere tools in the hands of the colonialists. That's why they allowed the British to teleguide them ...

This is inverted accusation because Igbos by all records in the annals of history were the only actual tools in the hands of the colonial overlords. Please recall that while the political leaders of all other tribes from as far back as 1944 began to describe Nigeria as a British contraption aimed at milking dry the resources of the people native to the area in question, and moving motions to end the British fraud in order to free themselves from the British experiment, only the Igbo leaders kept of chorusing one-Nigeria and declaring that the unity of Nigeria is perpetual and non-negotiable.

Ahmadu Bello: What we call Nigeria today is the mistake of 1914

Awolowo: Nigeria is a mere geographical expression and there are no Nigerians in the same sense as there are Germans, French, Britons, etc.

Tafawa Balewa: Nigeria is a British experiment and Nigeria unity is a British intention which the people themselves don't believe in.

Nnamdi Azikiwe: The unity of Nigeria is perpetual and non-negotiable. We Easterners don't mind paying the ultimate price to keep Nigeria one and intact.

From the speeches above and the ethnic group of those who made them, which tribe in Nigeria could be correctly said to be a tool in the hands of the British colonialists back then and even till this moment? Be honest in your response.

onumadu:


Spot on.
Let me add to this that there appears to be a secret agreement somewhere that an Igbo must never be president of Nigeria:
For the same reason that, if an Igbo leads Nigeria, he will free everybody's human capacity.
I say this because the University of Nigeria Nsukka was founded by Zik -a man who believed in the same goal; and what is the Motto of the University? TO RESTORE THE DIGNITY OF MAN.
Methinks that the greatest proof of Igbo superior IQ (compared to others who have co-conspired to keep them out of the top leadership position in the country) is this singular belief in his own humanity; i.e that there are no races out there superior to his own. That he is as human as a German or Japanese or Chinese ... etc.
That is why an Igbo man is manufacturing and exporting automobiles of all kinds from his own village in Igboland, and is succeeding.

Unless something changes fundamentally in Nigeria, the only way for an Igbo to become president of Nigeria is through the "emi lokan" way.

Per the first bolded, Ironsi clinched power and all his decrees were centripetal, and the centripetal structure which he imposed on us has ended up killing innovative spirit, creating entitlement mentality, causing intellectual laziness, and killing human capital.

Per the second bolded, How come Igbos have not been able to use that their superior intelligence in beating the forces allegedly colluding to block them from power with an inferior intelligence?

DonXavi:
While under Tinubu's Government we have

1) Chief of Army Staffs -Yoruba.
2) Inspector General of Police- Yoruba.
3) Immigration Boss -Yoruba.
4) Customs Comptroller - Yoruba.
5) CBN Governor - Yoruba.
6) Minister of Finance - Yoruba.
7) FIRS Boss - Yoruba.
8 )Accountant General- Yoruba.
9) Minister of Communication, Innovation and
Digital Economy- Yoruba.
10) Marine & Blue Economy Minister- Yoruba.
11) National Inland Water Authority -Yoruba.
12) NIMC Boss -Yoruba.
13) Minister of Solid Minerals -Yoruba.
14) Minister of Interior - Yoruba
15) Petroleum Minister- Tinubu
16) Chairman Tax Reforms Committee -Yoruba
17) Head of service of the federation-Yoruba
18) Chief of Staffs- Yoruba
19) Attorney General- Yoruba
20) Minister of Justice-Yoruba
21) Minister of Power-Yoruba
22) Minister of Tourism-Yoruba
23) EFCC Chairmen - Yoruba
24) Minister of Health & Social Welfare (state)-
25) Minister of Environmental and ecological
Management (state)- Yoruba
26) Minister of Youth (state) - Yoruba

How does this relate with my comment there?

Emusan:


But you just pointed out someone who says POSITIVE thing about you?

Was the person from heaven?

You must be a lawyer. You are just nailing the guy left, right and center

Spandau:


I beg, make una ask them o. It was even one of their leaders that frustrated the secession clause introduced by another regional leader from another major tribe. Why they always pretend these things did not happen by the influence of their leaders always beat my imagination.

They are always disturbed in their consciences by these facts on the role they played in messing Nigeria up but rather than honestly admit it or at least dissociate themselves from those leaders of theirs who committed those atrocities, they keep opening up new threads to rewrite history or glorify themselves with some stories meant for kindergarten babies.

Eastlink:
Igbos didn't vote for Balewa oga. Imagine the boldness in spilling fake information. I think it's time you learn your history. Zik's NPP was whom Ndigbo voted for both in the first Republic, and in the 2nd republic in1979. In 1983, Ndigbo shared their vote between Zik's NPP and Shagari's NPN with Zik racking the bigger percentage. In 1993, Ndigbo shared their votes between Tofa and Abiola with the former gaining 55% and the later 45%.

Then in 1999, Ndigbo voted for Obasanjo's PDP, then Yar'adua, and GEJ till 2015.

So know your history and be humble in learning.

So which tribe from the south joined NPC MPs in voting for Balewa in the parliamentary in 1960?

Thank God you admit that Igbos shared their votes among NPP and NPN. How does that now change the fact that Shagari whom a part of Igbos voted for was the worst candidate on the ballot in that election?

In 1993 Tofa swept Igbo states clean. Google is your friend.

You agree you voted for Obasanjo in 1999. Now was Obasanjo the best candidate in the ballot going by the antecedents of all the contestants?

In 2007, was Yaradua the best candidate going by all the factors of determination?

Broveens42:



The hype is worth it.
1.The Igbos were the first to recognize the concept of chromosome through the igbo-ukwu artifact: a system of identification through codings is the first level of civilization
2. They are the only tribe in the world recorded to have built a commercial airport through contribution of school children and families (Sam mbakwe airport)
3. The only tribe in the world with a fearless feminine gender (Aba women riot)
4. The only tribe in the world that can openly wish a white QUEEN mother an excruciating pain; an astrological explanation of superiority of Igbo tribe.
5. The only tribe that can tell a judge to tell his president that he is Mad; an astrological explanation of superiority
6. The only tribe that built up their cities without implementation of the 3R

A tribe which truncated democracy the most acceptable system of government in the modern era and replaced it with a form of government in which might and force rule over reason. Jokers!

EbinPawaGovt:


Very correct. I have a feeling that it was a built-in lopsidedness created by the British colonialists against the Ibos. Create a lev el playing field and other tribes would feel intimidated. Same reason the 2023 presidential election was determined NOT by MERIT.

You have forgotten that by the regional system we started with, each region was autonomous and that autonomy trickled down to the admission policies of the Universities back then and which were each owned by their respective regional governments hence merit solely determined admissions until Aguiyi Ironsi, an Igbo man, came and muddled everything up by introducing centralization by which the subsequent Northerners controlled centralized governments introduced quota system, federal character, catchment area, educationally disadvantaged states, etc policies. So which Britain are you accusing? Was Aguiyi Ironsi a British man?

EbinPawaGovt:


True... I have the feeling that the built-in Nigerian mediocrity is affecting the Ibos. Could it be why they're the only tribe serious to exit and form their own country?

And they were still the only tribe which initially laboured hard against all attempts by other tribes to end Nigeria.

Iceberg3:

The question is, imagine Japan is under your one naijiriya?!

I guess Azikiwe who invented the one-Nigeria fraud was a Japanese as well as the Aguiyi Ironsi who finally cemented the fraud?

chester23:
Crazy sect with their crazy doctrines.
What I dislike most about this sect is the level they tend to control every aspect of one's life.
They act like they eat and dine with God.
The worst is the Members are not happy with some of these doctrines but are placed in a situation where they can't even speak up for their and against it.
I was just observing how happy their men was when they were asked to keep beards, some within one week started keeping the beards which is an indication that they have been craving for it for a long time.
Even their ladies are busy admiring the beards . Which some them even to the extent of not getting married to men with beards that it's again biblical principles.
Some brothers were disfellowship and isolated from the congregation because of keeping beards and considered as an infidel.
May God help mankind.

There was once this JW in my working place as a fellow staff. I hardly ever bring up religious debates or even discussion with others. On this fateful day it was this JW guy that brought up the debate about religion. It got to a point where I asked him if he himself as a JW believe every damn thing coming from the Governing body. He replied 'no'. Then I asked him why he however lives by such doctrines he doesn't agree with personally. He said by the rules of the organization an ordinary member is not permitted to question whatever comes from the Governing body. Then I asked him whether Charles Russell their founder would have been able to found the organization if he was not permitted to question the doctrines of the religious group he was born into before he later founded JW. He couldn't answer me.

jasent:
lol. If Jehovah witness wants money, they'll get it by selling their books and doing advert on their awake. Say want you want jw is never money minded organization. Personally I disagree with some of their doctrines,like no blood transfusion. Aside that jw remain one of the best religion organization.

Inconsistency and unending self reversal s are traits of the worst individuals or groups on earth.

descarado:

Christianity is a religion.
It's presently that pentecostal tried to change the narrative as living in christ- like image.
Is christ not God?
Does he not have superhuman powers?
What is then religion?
Pls sit down with all these waterly argument.

You know more than the West that brought it to you.

Or when you want to fill a form requesting for your religion, do put Muslim instead of Christianity.

That is still part of the wrong perception we are talking about. Christianity didn't come from the West. Ancient Europe did not practice Christianity but worshipped idols. In fact the West too had Christianity come to them from outside the shores of Europe. Christianity also didn't come from the Jews politically as the Jews themselves don't agree with its precepts.

The pentecostals' living in Christ like image narrative was what even came to distort the original message of Christ because it made people believe that outward appearance like how Jesus physically appeared in their imagination was more important than the rule of conscience which Jesus emphasized.

descarado:

From the bible down to all religions are man made that evolved with time.
Christianity evolved from pagan religion that's why Christians still practice some pagan rituals re-baptised.
The bible itself is a product of other scrolls (pagan) put together by Romans during the roman empire.

The thing with Africans is that we were indoctrined to accept anything from the West as pure and the best like we see them so we never questioned the origin of the bible.
Like the English bible we use came about when the pope refused to wed the then king of England king James cos he wanted to marry another wife, a taboo in Catholic church. As the pope refused, the king assembled his Lords and the king James version of the bible was born while England break away to form church of England which we call Anglican church. That same king ended up marrying and wedding 6 wives.


We hate visiting history for what we may find.

Christianity is actually not a religion. The assumption that it is a religion is what creates the perception that it evolved from paganism.
The word Christianity is derived from an an adjective which describes the lifestyle of Jesus which is all about allowing one's conscience guide one in everything. A religion by definition is a particular way of rules by which God should be worshipped. However, Jesus did not institute any set of rules or code for worshipping God but tried to redirect his followers back to their consciences as their ultimate guide in everything they do in life. And the rule of conscience, if adopted by everyone, will make the world a better place. That is what Christianity is all about.
The Bible summarizes this in the Book of Romans where it says that even those who never knew Jesus or had ever heard of him but allowed their consciences to rule their lives were already followers of Jesus.

One thing about man made doctrines is that those who make them later find themselves boxed to a very tight corner by those very doctrines.

rdokoye:


Igbo people have been practising the democratic process for more than a thousand years. Yoruba and Hausa are feudal peoples. How can you call Igbo people politically immature, when they have the longest experience with this process?

You don't see Igbo people giving out block votes, based on frivolous things, such as tribe. Instead, they always vote for whomever is the best candidate on the ballet. Yoruba and Hausa people are not there yet, but eventually, hopefully, with time, education and evolution of culture, they will get there. So that we can have good leaders in Nigeria, and not thieves and tribal champions like Tinubu and Buhari.

The age of Methuselah, the say, has nothing to do with the wisdom of Solomon.
If Igbos so much believe in democracy that they had been practising it for years as you claim, then how come the same Igbos were the first to truncate democracy in the history of Nigeria through the senseless January 15 1966 coup by which they shed so much blood of innocent politicians and military officers of other regions save theirs who were actually guilty of the very corruption they cited as the reason for the coup? So much for a democracy loving people. Hehehe.....

rdokoye:


Igbo people have been practising the democratic process for more than a thousand years. Yoruba and Hausa are feudal peoples. How can you call Igbo people politically immature, when they have the longest experience with this process?

You don't see Igbo people giving out block votes, based on frivolous things, such as tribe. Instead, they always vote for whomever is the best candidate on the ballet. Yoruba and Hausa people are not there yet, but eventually, hopefully, with time, education and evolution of culture, they will get there. So that we can have good leaders in Nigeria, and not thieves and tribal champions like Tinubu and Buhari.

And the Tafawa Balewa you voted for at a time as critical as independence was the best on the ballot right? He was better than Awolowo and your own very well read Zik who were equally on the ballot right?

Then the Feudalist product Shagari whom you voted for in 1979 was the best in an election which your own cerebral Ojukwu contested.

Then the barely educated Alhaji Bashir Tofa you voted for in 1993 was the best over MKO a first class Accountancy graduate of the prestigious University of Glasgow?

Then the ex-convict Obasanjo whose stint as military HOS contributed immensely to the Nigerian tragedy was was the best candidate over the seasoned and unblemished technocrat Olu Falae who brandished a manifesto that would have industrialized Nigeria within fifteen years?

Why not look the way of comedy? In fact why are you just wasting your comedy talents on Nairaland while the likes of I go die and Teju Baby face are smiling to the banks daily with millions they rake in from their jokes which are no match for yours?

Igboid:


That's nonsense.
Igbos adopted and welcomed OBJ too.
You have an "eveel" heart.

Why is it only Igbos that keep adopting every politician as their son? After adopting OBJ for promising to hand over power to an Igbo man but later disappointed you and picked a Fulani man together with an Ijaw man, wasn't that enough for you to stop your stupid adoption of other tribes' sons? You also adopted Yaradua a Fulani man. You think the other five regions are evil and foolish for not ever adopting a candidate not truly from their region? You Igbos are too frivolous and emotional hence always take stupid decisions which when they begin to boomerang, rather than admit your folly, you are resort to victim card play and term all other regions evil people as if there is any form of godliness in your own shortsightedness and frivolity. Continue adopting other regions' candidates and be deluding yourself as being godly. The truth is that Igbos are politically immature and unrealistic.

DonXavi:
Don't you see that you are not making any sense. The same yardstick you use to measure others if it's applied to you will you happily embrace it? I can't even find a matching word to define you and your reasoning, and I don't want to call you a slowpoke but....

You are the victim of moronic plague here. If my tribe had adopted Jonathan as their son despite the fact that they knew he was truly not, then I will blame them for whatever consequences it brings to them. Igbos have a chameleonic attitude and always want to have it both ways. You can't eat your cake and still have it. If I may ask you, which other region apart from the SE called Jonathan their adopted political son? None of them did so because they knew the implication it will have on them in the power equation. Only you Igbos take such short sighted positions on issues and sooner or later it boomerangs and the next thing is victim card play.

VinnyBaba:


Some APC FOOLs even claimed Jonathan is an Igbo Man. 😒🤦

Same way they claimed Pres Obasanjo's father is an Anambra Man. 😏😌😌

You obviously weren't following the argument attentively back then. The point being made was that Igbos adopted Jonathan and claimed he was their son hence Igbos were implicitly saying that they were already having their turn in power and should therefore not demand for a turn again until power has gone round all the other five geopolitical zones.

Hogwarthtrades:


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Welcome to the Jungle!!!!

nku5:


That's for Akintola to answer. People with his level of moral reprobacy normally do not think that far.

This suggests that the likes of Zik, Nwafor Orizu, and Okotie-Eboh harboured same level of moral rebrobacy hence all failed to resign from a Jihad-plotting government despite being Christians.

bigjay01:


aka Utuocha Analysis

Mfunkynation:


TA - Technical Analysis

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You didn't add:

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Streetinvestor2:
Are you a trader or investor so I can understand your angle as per averaging up or down

Trader

Mankind2024:
The Breweries present a falling knife phenomenon.
What does it mean to ‘catch a falling knife’ in trading?

There’s a saying on the trading floor in Chicago and I’m sure it was on other trading floors: “Don’t add to a loser”. That was always considered completely taboo.

You’ll also hear it called: “Catching a falling knife” in some circles. I know people who are constantly averaging down to better prices in stocks and commodities.

Some commodities are down 44% on the year and continue to fall and some people are saying: well, ‘X’ commodity is constantly in deficit, so I’ll average down to a better price.” They’re catching a falling knife and if you can visualize that, it’s not a good thing to do.

Not many people know this, but when a stock or an asset or a commodity makes a low, it’s more likely to make another low, statistically, than for it to stop at that point and turn around.

In my own strategy, I neither average up nor down. Averaging up and down is, to me, a form of falling in love with a stock and that is very dangerous. All I do is just buy as many liquid and at least fundamentally or sentimentally sound stocks which in offers are drying up and bids mounting at prices above the previous closing day's, then take a seat and watch them. No matter what 7 out of ten of them will reverse upwards in at most 4 trading days.