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Atiku was vice president of Nigeria when Obasanjo his boss captured Uwazurike (The Nnamdi Kanu equivalent of those times) and detained him without trial but Atiku never one day kicked against Obasanjo for that. The only time when Atiku found it justified to fight Obasanjo his boss was when Obasanjo's posturing was threatening his ambition to become president.

oga028315:
Since you admit the plotters were all from various tribes of Nigeria, how is it now an Igbo coup?

It is rightly termed an Igbo coup not because of the ethnic composition of the plotters but because of the ethnic composition of the casualties.
If one or two top Igbo politicians who were part of the allegedly corruption government of the day had been killed as it was with top politicians of the other three regions, no one would have been tagging it an Igbo coup today even if the plotters were 100% Igbo. After all as it can be easily understood that Nigeria had as at that time in question not attained enough national integration for any shrewd coup plotter to trust someone from outside his tribe not to leak out a plot as risky as a coup d'etat.

So why was no single Igbo politicians in that government killed despite the allegations that the politicians holding portfolios in the government were too corrupt to bring about the Nigeria of their dreams? Were Igbo politicians saints?

oga028315:
But from the list of participants, the people were drawn from almost all parts of Nigeria, are you saying all the other tribes involved in the participation were not smart enough to know it was an Igbo coup?

Whoever drew that list you pasted above can't claim to know about the coup more than Nzeogwu who was a major participant. According to Nzeogwu in his interview with Ejindu, there were just five of them in the plot.

All these long lists which later came out are damage control measures.

Please find Nzeogwu's words here about the coup. This is from the mouth of the horse itself
https://www.itrealms.com.ng/2022/09/history-never-dies-by-reno-omokri.html?m=1

Note where he said:

Ejindu: All right. A lot has been talked and written about the January coup. But how tribalistic was it really in conception and execution?

Nzeogwu: In the North, no. In the South, yes. We were five in number, and initially we knew quite clearly what we wanted to do.

oga028315:
But from the list of participants, the people were drawn from almost all parts of Nigeria, are you saying all the other tribes involved in the participation were not smart enough to know it was an Igbo coup?

Whoever drew that list you pasted above can't claim to know about the coup more than Nzeogwu who was a major participant. According to Nzeogwu in his interview with Ejindu, there were just five of them in the plot.

All these long lists which later came out are damage control measures.

oga028315:
That was not what led to the Aburi accord, you see why I said people like you either don't know the full history of events or you either deliberately omit the sides you don't want to talk about because it won't suit your agenda about the Igbos.

Let me just help you, it was not the coup nor Aguyi Ironsi decree that lead to the Aburi accord or the war itself, it all started from hate and envy against the Igbos, and these all started before the coup, Igbos were being killed and chased away from some parts of Nigeria especially the north just for getting and doing things based on merit, that to me has been downfall of Nigeria, because Nigeria has never recovered since then because it stemmed from envy and hatred which resulted to injustice and lead to nepotism which became a norm in Nigeria, of course once merit is thrown away for tribe or religion, the result is the Nigeria you see today...


Read this one first, if you want more of how the events unfolded till the war I will tell you, till you come to the realization that Nigeria's biggest problem is injustice especially against the Igbos then you will keep throwing blames on the wrong things...


https://www.nairaland.com/2512622/how-igbos-treated-north-ena

https://www.nairaland.com/2512622/how-igbos-treated-north-ena#36761433

So you mean that Aburi meeting was convened in 1967 because Igbos were hated?
Okay, if that was the reason for convening the Aburi meeting, then how come there is nothing among the resolutions concerning how to make other tribes stop the alleged hating on Igbos?
And may I ask you which among the other tribes Igbos themselves love? Igbos themselves are full of hatred and superiority complex towards other tribes, so the hatred is just a matter of cause and effect. Okay look at the current scenario in Ghana whereby Igbos are trying to establish an Igbo king in another people's suzerainty. Which of the other 250 Nigerian tribes have you ever heard doing such a thing? Apart from Igbos, which other tribes have you ever heard terming Lagos a no-man's-land? Why did Ahmadu Bello focus on only Igbos in his press interview of 1955? Were people from other southern tribes not living in the Northern Region back then? Why didn't Ahmadu Bello find their behavior offensive? When everyone complains about your character, they can't all be wrong. It only means you have to check yourself. Even the Ikweres, Aniomas, and other Igboid tribes who are more or less your cousins resent being classified as Igbos despite they share language and culture similarities with you people. Can't you see that there is therefore something offensive about your attitude and which you have to address?

oga028315:
Chairman of the committe didn't take decisions on his own now, why are you people this?

Like I said earlier you people either don't know the full events of history of things you argue about Nigeria or you simply omit the parts that don't suit your agenda against the Igbos, you people only look for the slightest excuse to blame the Igbos... why are you people like this?

What you are missing is the simple fact that Nwabueze's experienced about the dangers of centralization was more than the experience of all the other committee members' put together. This is because Nwabueze was the one who advised Ironsi to centralize power and resources twelve years earlier on and saw how it led to a constitutional crisis that culminated in a war that claimed millions of innocent lives all over Nigeria and also ended up institutionalizing corruption in Nigeria. So Nwabueze as head of the committee owed the other committee members the duty to first of all and before any voting on what to agree on, lecture and educate them on the dangers of centralization of power citing his own past mistake of 1966 as examples to deter those other Committee members if he Nwabueze had no ulterior motive. As at that time in question, who of the actors in the Ironsi administration could beat his chest in all honesty and claim that he had not come to realize courtesy of the war and constitutional crisis caused by Ironsi, that a better Nigeria could only be achieved through a return to the highly decentralized system we started with at independence and that the one Nigeria/, National Unity sloganeering was a huge fraud which held the potential to keep plunging Nigeria further into the doldrums? So why should Nwabueze join inexperienced committee members in taking decisions which were tilted in favour of the fraudulent national unity despite he himself having seen it all earlier on that centralization in the name of pursuing national unity was dangerous to the future of Nigeria?

oga028315:
Since you admit the plotters were all from various tribes of Nigeria, how is it now an Igbo coup?

Let us use a role reversal scenario to drive home the fact that it was an Igbo coup. Now assume that during the immediate past Buhari administration, a group of four Yoruba Army officers and one Igbo officer staged a coup citing massive corruption in Buhari's government, and then proceeded to kill Buhari himself, Amaechi, Hope Uzodima, Oshiomhole, Malami, El-Rufai, Rochas Okorocha, Dave Umahi who had just defected to the APC back then, Yaya Bello, and lastly Adeleke The Dancer, while making sure that Tinubu who went from the South into the alliance that brought Buhari into power was out of the country holidaying in far away France and Osibanjo was "miraculously" nowhere to be found during the killings; is there any apologetics that can ever convince you that the presence of that only Igbo officer in the core of the plot was enough evidence that those four Yoruba Army officers at the core of the plot have no Yoruba supremacy agenda under their sleeves?

oga028315:
What you should be asking is what lead to the Aburi accord?

What exactly brought about the Aburi accord?

If Ironsi never tampered with the truly federal constitution of 1963, would there have ever been any need for Aburi Accord?

oga028315:
Oh, so what about Rotimi Williams, was he not a Yoruba man? Why didn't you blame him with the Igbo man who did it?

because it won't suit your bias narrative of always blaming the Igbos, why are you people like this?

Didn't you see where it is written there that Nwabueze was the chairman of that committee? As Chairman the ultimate decision was his as he had the power to overrule Rotimi Williams if he had been of the opinion that the centralized status quo be done away with and Rotimi Williams was pro-status quo.

oga028315:
Please I need the details with verifiable link, not with your mouth...

Please find it below and happy reading.

https://guardian.ng/opinion/mistakes-rotimi-williams-and-i-made-about-nigerias-constitution/

Please not where the report quotes Nwabueze as saying:

Then, what did we do to achieve our mis-guided objective? We took away 50 per cent of the items on the concurrent list and gave it to the centre.

oga028315:
One thing I have I have noticed with you people is that you like selective history to suite biased and false narrative, I have answered this question for you with a question in my first reply before this, if you can answer it then we can continue from there....

I don't see where you answered this question before. Care pointing it out to me?

oga028315:
Good question to answer only if you can tell me why Nigeria failed to honor the Aburi accord agreement in Ghana.

Which came first between Aburi Accord and the successful criminalization of secession by Azikiwe's efforts?

oga028315:
Initially you said it was only Igbos, and I corrected you, now you are saying it was 80% Igbos and that there was no Igbo casualty from the original hit list, so for you to use original hit list in your statement means there was Igbo casualty?

It was someone else that insinuated that the membership of the plotters it was 100% Igbos, and not me. Check again. The only Igbo casualty was Arthur Unegbe who was actually never penned down for death by the plotters. His death was more or less accidental, so that did not qualify as casualty in any way.

JetApartment:
You people will just wake up and start peddling lies as if the information we need is not readily available online. Why did Aguyi Ironsi seize power in the first place? Maybe, a honest answer to this question will cure your self imposed ignorance.

Good question. After Balewa was confirmed dead, the federal Parliament threw Alhaji Dipcharima up as the democratic replacement for Balewa but Aguiyi Ironsi refused and forcefully took power from the parliament because he had an igbo-centric ulterior motive which was to come and destroy the regions

oga028315:
It wasn't even the coup, the coup was just an additional of the whole thing, and point of correction, the coup was not only done by Igbos...

Igbos were an overwhelming majority (80%) of the plotters and there was no Igbo casualty from the original hit list.

oga028315:
The question you should be asking is what led to the secession?

The greater question you should be asking is why would you declare secession when you knew that it was a criminal offense in the constitution courtesy of even your own brother Azikiwe?

oga028315:
If there is nothing to correct, why then do you still blame the Igbos?

And point of correction, Igbos never started any war, Nigeria started the war...

Igbos started the war by declaring Biafra. Recall that Azikiwe had succeeded in getting any secession declaration a criminal offense in the Nigerian Constitution. Also when Isaac Adaka Boro declared Niger Delta Republic earlier on, Aguiyi Ironsi and Ojukwu attacked him and killed 150 of his soldiers for the crime of declaring secession/war on Nigeria.

CorperKola:
There is nothing to correct, even if we correct it i am sure it is you people that will start another civil war again.

Obasanjo tried to correct it in 1978 during the 1979 constitution drafting stage as he set up a committee to review that part of the constitution to be headed by Nwabueze who by experience was supposed to know that centralization of power and resources which he advised Ironsi to do in 1966 had actually injured the country and destroyed everything but Nwabueze used his committee to even further centralize power and resources more than how he did under Ironsi.

oga028315:
That is why Christ came to correct it, why haven't you people corrected yours after over 50 years ?

Are you people waiting for the Igbos to come back to correct it?

An attempt was made in 1978 to correct it but it was still an Igbo man that thwarted it. You want details?

CorperKola:
Is this even a serious question
Why do we blame eve or adam and eve for eating the forbidden apple up till today
If we dont blame them, who should we now blame

Very good response.

fabolouz1:
in my opinion military rule favoured the country more than this so called democracy .

This present democracy is actually an extension of military rule. The true democracy we ever had was from 1950s to 1966 and it still remains the best governance time in the history of Nigeria. 1966 was the year the military took over and immediately Nigeria experienced an avoidable war which took millions of innocent lives and then a scale of corruption not previously known in Nigeria became our culture. The military proceeded to legalize corruption and destroy all our institutions of government due to centralization of power and resources. The fact that we are still operating a centralized system forcefully bequeath on us by the military is an evidence that military rule has not really ended regardless of the fact that we now do elections and have legislature. When military rule truly ends in Nigeria, you will appreciate democracy.

Agbalowomeri:
Oando enthusiasts
Both daily and weekly candles comfortably buried beneath the cloud

Medium term bearish

Please which source do you get your indicator chats from?

emmanuelewumi:
Okomu has 980 million outstanding shares

Thanks. I have just checked now and realized that it is the free-float that is less than 400m while the OS is actually 980m as you said.

temi4fash:
Example of such stocks

It depends on the particular time of consideration. For example; some few months back, Presco was around N300 , and given its low OS of just 1 billion, it posted a very fantastic result. Thereafter, it just began to move and before you knew it, it had hit over N1000 due to the combined pressure of good result and scarcity occasioned by the low OS.

Other examples are Okomu Oil with an OS of less than 400 million, RT Briscoe of a little above 1 billion, NAHCO of about 1.6 billion, etc

But for NAHCO, as someone earlier explained here, it was once at N8 some few months back and it posted a very good result. The scarcity occasioned by it OS of 1.6b saw it ride to its current N100+ within few months. So the research is yours to do on the stocks that hold such status at the present moment.

henrolevra:
A newbie like me is confused on which stock to buy.

Being a newbie, the best strategy for you is to buy fundamentally sound stocks which have very low OS and quite low prices. That way, you will hardly record losses even if you don't make profit.

Bendeco02:
Oga blame some of our Igbo people that sworn not to have sense.

Why can't they limit their migration to Middle Belt and some part of North East?

Why would a reasonable person enter Sokoto, Katsina, Kano, Northern Kaduna, Northern Niger, Zamfara, Bauchi, Jigawa, Kebbi state to settle?

They don't care about their lifes, so losing it shouldn't be a big deal.

Edo people have nothing to lose because the number of all the Edo residing in North West as a whole may not be upto 1k

After lamenting how thousands of Igbos were killed in the North before and during 1966/67 they still went back there to settle. Are those men cursed or what?

You honestly stated the truth. It doesn't make sense going back to where you escape being killed

franchasng:
Most of you Yoruba kids and youths of today always think and talk like misinformed kids you lots are.


To you uninformed Yoruba kids, Presidential election in Nigeria started in 2015.

Now let me educate you for free so you won't continue to brag foolishly or remain uninformed.

From the time Nigeria got independence, Igbos ran the show with Hausa, go back and read your history to verify every word I say.


Yorubas has always been in opposition crying till 2015 that Tinubu betrayed Goodluck Jonathan and the whole South to align with The North to dislodge Goodluck.


Before then, Yoruba have always been in opposition crying and organizing protests in Lagos.


No Yoruba chosen candidate has ever emerged President until 2023 that Tinubu snatched it from a weak Buhari.



Zik floored Awolowo severally and Awolowo had to go to jail for making noise lol.


Igbos still called the shots, after the civil war, Igbos were begged and pampered with a Vice Presidential slot in 1976 which Alex Ekwueme became Vice President to Shagari.

Ekwueme was already inline to become President before unfortunate Buhari disrupted it with his military coup and returned Nigeria back to military regime.


1999 came, Yorubas nominated Olu Falae for President, Igbos and North rejected Falae and chose Olusegun Obasanjo instead and made him President.


Tinubu kept running from pillar to post desperately looking for a ladder to help him climb to Presidential power and that ladder he later got through weak Buhari that never even liked Tinubu but foolishly allowed Tinubu pass through through the help of El Rufai.


And a baby like you is here chestbeating and bragging without wisdom and information, all these Yoruba online miscreants self lol



Before I drop pen, please use Google and ask the below questions:


1.) Who is the first Indigenous Governor General of Nigeria?

2.) Who is the first Civilian President of Nigeria?


3.) Who is the first Civilian Vice President of Nigeria?


4.) Who is the first Military Head of State of Nigeria?


5.) Who is the first Chief of Army Staff of Nigeria?

6.) Who is the first Senate President of Nigeria?

7.) Who was the first documented richest man in Nigeria?


8.) Who was the first documented billionaire in Nigeria?


All these positions were all occupied by Igbos and yet you are here making empty noise that Yorubas are known for lolz cheesy



Whatever a Yoruba man aspires to become in Nigeria today, an Igbo man has first became that very thing many years ago, so get that into your arrogant uninformed skull

I like how you chronicled the numerous instances proving beyond reasonable doubt that Igbos have been the ones aligning with the North since independence and till today. But what I find uncomfortable is that whenever it comes to the question of which part of the South aligned with the North in the North's misrule of Nigeria, most Igbos on nairaland would labour very hard to accuse Yorubas of being the ones despite the fact that Yorubas have largely been in opposition since independence as you yourself admitted above. So why do you Igbos always peddle the lie that Nigeria was destroyed by the collusion of Yorubas with Northerners?

Baxilexi:
Agreement is an agreement - such a foolish consistency adored by slaves. I guess we should still submit or commonwealth to the British by this maxim.

If an agreement is detrimental to the people, the constitution, convictions, oath of office and personal contrition. Should it still be honored?

Personally this saga has opened my eyes to the multifaceted nature of our problems.

Nigerians don't want a good society, they just want someone they know to access the treasury, by hook or crook and share. David Cameron couldn’t have said it better- “fantastically corrupt.”

How we are not vexed that people can boldly speak of putting others in office, like we run an oligarchy or monarchy is bemusing. Instead we vilify the unwilling or repentant subject for turning a new leaf.

Even the 3 wisemen in the Bible didn’t honor their promises to Herod because of his inimical intent. So what do we actually pray for concerning Nigeria as Christians and Muslims? To change whose heart?

Just the other day in Lagos, a group of men voiced their position beyond the veil as being the grundnorm of authority in the Lagos assembly and no one sees the inanity in their statement.
Same in kogi, an ex-governor uses the current governor as a vassal and no one sees anything wrong with it.
And now port harcourt.

This is sad.

We lack norms, we lack values, we lack integrity.

Think for a minute, if Wike’s angst is for better schools, hospitals, jobs, welfare of his constituents or personal gains.

What you are missing is the fact that godfatherism is a form of corruption and that Fubara's acceptance to be godfathered into office by Nyesom Wike in the very first instance was a manifestation of corruption and lack of principles on Fubara's path. When Fubara was accepting Wilke's offer of being anointed and godfathered into office, didn't he know that it was an act against the very spirit of democracy and injurious to genuine nation building, anti-people, demonic and a suppression of the sovereign will of the people? A truly principled politician and a sticker for the ideals of nation building you have elucidated above should have simply and honourably declined Wilke's offer at that time and asked him to throw the entire process open. Fubara is a beneficiary of a form of corruption which was perpetrated by Wike, and therefore there is no morality in his attempt to fight the very evil helped to perpetuate. Corruption does not ever fight itself and win.

docdes:
Trash

All of you supporting this nonsense, go and read this article: Imagine Trump Suspended The Governor And State Assembly In New York and be ashamed. We copied our constitution from the US but we practice a different thing and wonder why we are where we are. In a democracy like ours, true loyalty is to the people and not to any godfather.

Unfortunately, you forgot that the New York governor was not railroaded to office by any godfather.

Believeintruth:
Oga even Yorubas adjusted Tinubu not to have done anything when he was governor. Even PO the statistics that showed his performance at the time it was published in 2017 showed that he performed.

So the people in the thread below who unanimously adjudged Obi a failure as Anambra Governor are not Igbos?

https://www.nairaland.com/870945/what-exactly-peter-obi-doing/47

Brendaniel:
Then why don't you run for one and go and make the change?

I don't necessarily need to run for office in order to make a change. Changing a rotten society like ours is a collective efforts thing and before you can get everyone to work together to solve the problem, you must first make sure they even understand the problem in the first instance. If they don't understand the problem, there can't be a consensus among them as to what the solution is. You and I are very well educated on Nigeria's history hence we understand correctly that Nigeria's problem is fundamentally about the faulty structure we currently operate. But those who are not very educated on Nigeria's political history assume that our problem is corruption or bad leaders without knowing that we equally had very bad leaders during the First Republic we all agree was when good governance really happened especially at the regional level with the likes of Michael Okpara, Awolowo and Ahmadu Bello as Regional premiers. Not that these three regional premiers were saints but the structure back then compelled them to offer their best in the atmosphere of healthy competition among the regions. But most indomie generation youths of today don't know all these hence you hear them shouting corruption is our problem, bad and selfish politicians are our problem, Tinubu is our problem, Atiku is our problem, Obi couldn't govern Anambra very well but he wants to govern a bigger Nigeria, Kwankwaso is not fit to rule, Tinubu stole all the money in Lagos so he can't rule, etc. So I am already making a change here by educating people about the power of a right structure in bringing out the best in even satanic and devilish politicians.