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gidgiddy:
Well I suggest you Google decree 34 and read it rather than reading third party comments. We had 4 Region's that were controlling their resources before Ironsi, and we had 4 Region's that were controlling their resources throughout Ironsi's regime. The only thing the Region's did not have was democracy, it was military rule. The decree 34 you talk about was about the civil service, nothing more. It was Gowon that came after Ironsi, dissolved all 4 Region's and created 12 states with decree 14, then abolished resource control with Decree 15, its all on page .

But has been happening since the last 60 years? Did those who have been ruling since Ironsi give you Region's? Did they give you resource control? Did they give you secession clause? No, the made Nigeria as Unitary as they could, divided the country into 36 states and shouted 'one Nigeria' all over the place

Today, Nigeria is world's poverty capital and 8th most insecure country on earth, far worse than Ironsi's time. Stop talking about Ironsi, nobody who came after him managed to do better, they only did far worse

This your defense line in the bolded is philosophically faulty because it ignores the law of cause and effect.
In a scenario whereby two or three parties solemnly agreed to a deal and one of the parties later breached the deal, you can't blame either of the other two for not honouring the agreement thereafter. It is like a husband and wife who had a joint account and they both agreed not to make withdrawal from it until after two years yet six months into the agreement the husband went to make withdrawal secretly from it, but later the wife got to know and in response went to withdraw her own quota of the savings completely only for the husband to start blaming the wife for the failure of the savings plan. If you were the wife would you agree to being responsible for the failure of the savings plan?

hmohammed:
I remember the SS and SE regions didnt protest against Jonathans government in 2012. Who is the bigger hypocrite??

Thanks for this reminder. Nigerians are hypocrites who point a finger at others while four dirtier ones point back at them

Okoroawusa:
Listen to yourself...

You no wan fvck toto. Wetin naked woman come dey do on top your bed?

Chai! Savage!

iykechas2002:
All this is for the ikwerres to be flavoured by this government and to dissociate themselves from Biafra.

Where in the world 🌎 is the word
South-South? Why is there no North-North or East-East?

Dumb ass professor and elders

Geopolitical regions are not named according to compass directions. There is no compass direction as North Central but that is a geopolitical region's name in Nigeria. The present South East was once called East Central. Please show me East Central in the cardinal points.

Odingo1:
Have you seen any Igbo dragging Ikwerre people for anything. Is Ikwerre people that is always making the noise every year in their gatherings.

Who cares whether they are Igbos or not. The language they are speaking and their names gave them out as Igbos in Nigeria unless if they can start answering Bini names and start speaking Bini language instead of Igbo language they are speaking now.

Is just like Okun person in Kogi denying his not a Yoruba. Although he can claim to be Okun man but his name and language he speaks gave him out as a Yoruba. That is the situation of Ikwerre people.

The same scenario is playing out with Igbos claiming to originate from Israel but on arrival in their present location they didn't only forget their Jewish language and culture but their skin changed from white to black. At least Ikwerre people's skin colour has not changed from that of their claimed Bini ancestors unlike Igbos.

Kay17:
You mean the same people that didn't develop their states with grit and determination?

We seem to forget that the regions barely lasted four years following independence. It was the corruption and institutional decay that led to the intervention of the military in the first place.

We can simply watch and see.

Did the military end up not institutionalizing the very corruption they claimed made them intervene? Did the investigations that followed the overthrow of the first Republic really end up revealing any massive corruption which the military alleged was ongoing?

Irony1:
Oga you don't have sense at all. You wrote that the regions are abolished and in its place a group of provinces shall be what would replace the regions, and I am asking you what really is the definition of regions? Are they not a group or collection of provinces, so what really changed. Ojukwu said in 6months regions would be abolished and against did Ironsi calling regions now a collection of provinces mean he abolished it when we know that the definition of regions are a collection of provinces? Oga try and have sense. If Ironsi were of another tribe I would still say he didn't destroy regions because he was not the one who carved up regions and replaced them with states. Try and have sense once more.

Senseless response as usual. No substance. You have now shifted goalpost to ' groups of provinces are same as regions'. If he were another tribe you would have agreed that he destroyed the regions. That is the truth.

2elliot:
Nigeria has not had it good at any time. The reason why the coup happened in the first place was because of the corruption and bigotry and killings that were already taking place in some regions. There was crisis in the west (wild wild west), and another political unrest in the north. The abolition of regionalism was to stop the monsters that were developing in the regions due to local power tussles. So, don't delude yourself with you regional fantasies at that time. But that does not mean that we would not have been far better today if regionalism had continued.

The two bolded sentences are self contradictory.

Secondly, the coup ended up causing a far greater damage to Nigeria than what the politicians are alleged to have done in your first bolded. That simply tells you that military intervention in democracy has no justification and it doesn't progress any nation hence it is never an option irrespective of how bad and corrupt the politicians are alleged to be.

gidgiddy:
That means you have never read decree 34, it was nothing but a civil service decree

It was a Decree which unified the public service and not the civil service. Public service is different from civil service. Ironsi never mentioned civil service in the national broadcast in which he announced that decree. It was public service he hammered on. Unlike civil service, public service means the entire apparatus of government. So unifying the public service was simply unifying all the powers and resources of the regional governments to the center. Remember that all before then Zik had been making a case for a very strong omnipotent center disguised as a call for one Nigeria and a fake national unity

Believeintruth:
Dude Ironsi didn't abolish the system because even when he was alive we still had region. The regions still existed with military governors. What he did was to unify the civil service, it was GOwon who demolish regions and created states. Make una stop all these lies abeg so that thunder will not strike you and your lineage.

Ironsi unified the entire public service and not only the civil service. Check through his gazettes. He mentioned Public service throughout and never civil service. Public service is different from civil service. Unification of the entire public service is tantamount to total destruction and alteration of the governance structure.

DMerciful:
Obi got over 90% Anambra votes in both 2019 election and 2023 elections without giving shishi. There's no validation greater than that.

Tinubu lost in Lagos and his home state Osun

That tells you that the votes he got in Anambra were based on his ethnicity and not about any records. Tinubu lost Lagos and Osun on account of Religious composition of his ticket and not in anyway about his performances in previous offices held.

DMerciful:
The records are there to verify, not cho cho cho or beer parlour gossips

You can show those records to the Anambrarians who blasted Obi on this thread

megawealth01:
Nawa for Ikeja hotel

You just took it out of my mouth. Ironically the way people rush it on the floor is just a puzzle.

DMerciful:
That thread was a short period of time, Obi lead Anambra for 8yrs!

Obi won numerous awards as one of the best performing governors. These are facts

This thread was opened on the 14th of February 2012 as can easily be seen on page 1 of it. Obi assumed office in 2006 sequel to the sack of Ngige.... meaning that this thread was opened six years into Obi's tenure and two years to the end of it. So if Anambra people could lambast Obi and adjudge him a monumental failure after six years of his eight year term, then what on earth do you mean by the bolded?

ndept:
Thank you very much my good friend. So, you are still on this topic. I have since move on. Kindly move on too and have a nice day.

I have been offline since the day I responded to your comment. I just returned today to see it. Mine is very simple. Let this thread really remain what it was created for. Cleverly snuggling in political talks here is sure to derail it. There is a section dedicated for politics and comparisons of administrations.

ndept:
I may not know the problems you have with obasanjo though, that his name sound like a poison to you. He lives in Otta, so you can take your grievances to his doorstep please. I don't have energy to waste on Obasanjo's issue. Data don't lie. Ask yourself this questions: how many people were killed by boko haram/other insurgencies during obasanjo's era? close to none. What is the debt burden of Nigeria when Obasanjo left the government? Around 2.5 billion dollars, compared to over 80 billion dollars now. As for telecommunication, how many Nigerians were using mobile telecommunication during the Abacha government you quoted (not up to 0.3% of the population) and how many of the service provider do we have in Nigeria then? None.

All I know is that obasanjo left a good economy more than all the other governments we have had since then (Beside Yar'Adua government). As for the power plants, you can view the link below:
https://punchng.com/obasanjos-8bn-power-plants-helping-nigeria-minister/
https://nairametrics.com/2023/03/27/list-of-independent-power-plants-operating-in-nigeria/

I rest my case on this issue. This platform is for stock related and not Obasanjo/politics. Enjoy your weekend.

The problem with you is belief in unsubstantiated generalizations. If you knew that this platform is dedicated to stock business, then what inspired you in the first place to start comparing Obasanjo's government with the others here? Is this a platform for telling which government is better or worse than the other or which stock is better than the other? Being clever by half is not a virtue. When a platform is said to be dedicated strictly to a particular topic, you let it actually remain so.

DMerciful:
Nigeria has no region! Nigeria has 36 states and the FCT.

All these SW, SE, NC nonsense are unconstitutional.

Ironsi did not remove resource control from the regions and even if he did, he was killed just 45 days after. Why did Gowon not reversed it instead break the regions to 12 states while Awolowo and Yorubas were clapping for him

Its on record that only Igbos resisted the breakup of the regions

Why didn't Igbos resist Ironsi's breakup of the regions into groups of provinces?

You can't say we presently don't have regions. If we don't, then why are you Igbos always arguing that the SE Region is being oppressed by the other regions? Can non existent entities oppress another non existent entity?

okoro:
DMerciful guy too refused to make a comment here

That guy is a clown

DMerciful:
Thats administrative, he did not change the borders.

Gowon changed the borders from 4 to 12.

Its a simple thing unless you want to give a dog a bad name so you can hang it

What you lots don't seem to understand is that regionalism is not just the existence of regions on paper but the extent to which they have power of autonomy. Ironsi is said to kill regional system not because he purportedly left the boundaries intact but because he stripped the regions of their autonomy and subjected them to the center.
Presently in Nigeria, we have six regions which are SS, SW, SE, NC, NW and NE; but that doesn't mean we are practicing regional system since these regions are powerless and taking orders from Abuja the center . That exactly was the situation under Ironsi. We had groups of provinces with same boundaries as the former regions but those groups of provinces were powerless and taking orders from the center and also reporting to the center. Is that how to practice regionalism? If that is how, then why are you Igbos not satisfied with the present system which is exactly like Ironsi's style which you claim was regionalism?

PHIPEX:
Kano just reversed a 3 year policy that detroned Sanusi, why did your leaders not reverse a 2 months policy since 1966? Hypocrites, you want to eat you cake and have it.

Haven't you heard that the court has just stopped the Kano State Governor from reinstating SLS? That is how difficult it is to change a policy in democracy unlike in military rule where there is no regard for law or the courts.

Irony1:
Oga stop being half clever. The regions in name were called group of provinces which is the actual definition of regions and the unitary decree stated that the group of provinces will be under a provincial administrator. Oga we had this same topic years ago you kept on hammering on this even with proof that Ironsi didn't in the actual sense abolish regions. Guy don't you have deductive reasoning at all. Gowon carved up all the regions into states while Ironsi kept the structure intact, yet you keep saying Ironsi abolished regions. That was the same thing you did the previous time by lying that Ademoyega was deceived into the coup plot whereas the plot was conceived by both Ifeajuna and Ademoyega. Even Ademoyega admitted in his book.

You are an idiot. You mean you can't simply explain what Ironsi meant by the expression 'former regions'?
You mean Philip Asiodu lied against Ojukwu when he said Ojukwu told him that he and Ironsi would abolish the regions in six months? You are seeing hards fact but hiding under deductive reasoning story. Very dishonest lots.
If Ironsi we're of any other tribe you would have agreed he destroyed the regions.

DMerciful:
Thats administrative, he did not change the borders.

Gowon changed the borders from 4 to 12.

Its a simple thing unless you want to give a dog a bad name so you can hang it

Hear what Ironsi himself said in his May 24 1966 national broadcast. If he didn't abolish the regions, then what did he mean with the words in bold?


Ironsi's Broadcast to the Nation banning
Political Parties and introducing Decree No. 34, 24 May 1966.
www.dawodu.com


Fellow Nigerians:
During the past two weeks I presided over meetings of the Supreme
Military council and the Central Executive Council at which many
important state matters were considered. . .
It is now three months since the Government of the Federal Republic
of Nigeria was handed over to the Armed Forces. Now that peace has
been restored in the troubled areas it is time that the Military
Government indicates clearly what it proposes to accomplish before
relinquishing power. The removal of one of the obstacles on the way
is provided for in the Constitution (Suspension and Modification)
Decree (No. 5) 1966 which was promulgated by me today and comes into
effect at once.
The provisions of the Decree are intended to remove the last
vestiges of the intense regionalism of the recent past, and to
produce that cohesion in the governmental structure which is so
necessary in achieving, and maintaining the paramount objective of
the National Military government, and indeed of every true Nigerian,
namely, national unity.
The highlights of this Decree are as follows:
The former regions are abolished, and Nigeria grouped into a number
of territorial areas called provinces. . . .
Nigeria ceases to be what has been described as a federation. It
now becomes simply the Republic of Nigeria.
The former Federal Military government and the Central Executive
Council become respectively the National Military Government and the
executive Council.
All the Military Governors are members of the
Executive Council.
A Military Governor is assigned to a group of provinces over which
and subject to the direction and control of the Head of the National
Military Government, he shall exercise executive power. In order to
avoid any major dislocation of the present administrative machinery,
the grouping of the provinces has been made to coincide with the
former regional boundaries. This is entirely a transitional measure
and must be understood as such. [The present grouping of the
provinces is without prejudice to the Constitutional and
Administrative arrangements to be embodied in the New Constitution in
accordance with the wishes of the people of Nigeria.
The National Military Government assumes the exercise of all
legislative powers throughout the Republic subject to such
delegations to Military Governors as are considered necessary for
purposes of efficient administration.
The public services of the former federation and regions become
unified into one national public service under a National Public
Service Commission. There is a provincial Service Commission for
each group of provinces to which is delegated functions in respect of
public officers below a given rank. This rather drastic change will
probably involve a reconstitution of the existing commissions, and
the National Military Government reserves the right to do so in the
manner stipulated in the Decree. Until this is done, the present
Commissioners continue to act in their posts. Every civil servant is
now called upon to see his function in any part of Nigeria in which
he is serving in the context of the whole country. The orientation
should now be towards national unity and progress. I expect all
civil servants to co-operate and to consult at all levels, vertically
and horizontally, between groups of Provinces and between Provinces
and the Centre.[/quote]

Irony1:
The question is did Ironsi abolish regions and create states? Why are you trying to dodge. Deadly truth you are here again on this same diatribe on Ironsi. The fact here is that Ironsi didn't abolish regions he kept regions and placed a provincial administrator who reports to the SMC, like a central command in the military, he didn't abolish regions abeg.

In addition to Ironsi declaring with his own mouth that the regions were abolished and thereafter referring to them as former regions, Philip Asiodu also granted an interview in which he said that Ojukwu secretly told him that he and Ironsi would abolish the regions in six months. Here is the story on The Sun Newspaper owned by an Igbo man.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sunnewsonline.com/impunity-killing-nigeria-phillip-asiodu/%3famp

Please note where the report reads:

In fact when the coup happened, he wanted me to join him in Enugu and I told him that I was not a regional man. And Ojukwu told me ‘we shall abolish the regions within 6 months’. As I told you, no coup in this country occurred without long notice. For the January 15, 1966 coup, there were talks about a majors coup and a lieutenant colonels coup. And he said ‘we will abolish the regions within 6 months’.


I know Ojukwu’s attitude when we were students. And I warned him when he said ‘we will abolish regions.’ I said no, ‘by the time you participate in people’s wishes, anguish, you will be with them.’

DMerciful:
Your logic is flawed.

Before Ironsi, there were 4 regions, after Ironsi, there were 4 regions.

This is a fact!

Gowon destroyed the regions

That is a very simplistic understanding. Ironsi left for groups of provinces and not regions. The groups of provinces in question were not autonomous but had governors imposed on them and reporting to the center unlike in the pre-ironsi era in which there were autonomous regions that didn't take orders from or report to the center. Get your facts right please.

dettolgel:
I agree with you that Nigerian politicians are the same, no matter the region they are from. In fact if you pay close attention you will realize that they are mostly from the same gang.

What I find depressing is when we the masses think that this is Igbo vs Yoruba vs Hausa, when in reality it is the masses vs the ruling class (which cuts across different tribes). Every successive government in this country have people from different region (though in varying proportion), yet it is very easy to point fingers.

Ironsi did bring in the decree but we should not absolve him (whatever his reason was) as well as those that chose to implement it and that have actually benefited from it. They are all the same ( All the past military leaders in Nigeria are from the same cloak).

Every states has had representatives and governors and there is no single state that is punching within its weight. None of these states are recalling their representatives or even governors. The governors end up at the center to join their gang leaders that they helped rig into office.

By merely eating a fruit in disobedience to God, Adam brought sin into this world. However, we humans who later came after Adam have committed sins far worse than eating a mere fruit. We now kill, steal, bear false witness, take bribes, etc. But does that change the fact that we wouldn't have committed those worse sins if Adam had not introduced sin? Remember that the bible calls Adam the father of sin despite his sin is very minor compared to those of men who came after him. So, philosophically, he who introduces an evil is responsible for all the future pains associated with that evil.

ndept:
The only security challenge during obasanjo's era was militancy in the Niger Delta which Yar'Adua government was able to curb. For the records, there was nothing like boko haram, bandits, frequent herdsmen attack, unknown gunmen, IPOB etc during his era. In addition, Obasanjo ensured that the country was almost debt free before leaving the government. Progress in the telecommunication industry we are now enjoying was through his government. Though his government mismanaged about 65% of funds invested in electricity, but we can still see the remaining 35% that was invested in integrated power plants all over the country. If other successive government have been stealing same 65% and investing same 35% in electricity, Nigeria's power problem would have been solved by now.

Note: I am not an obasanjo fan o. I am simply saying it the way I see it.

So Obasanjo lies against himself each time he says that Boko Haram started during his administration but that he left them to have a field day because they didn't disturb his government? It seems you know Obasanjo more than he knows himself? Are you aware that till today Obasanjo is sympathetic to Boko Haram? You never heard he once visited Boko Haram national headquarters, apologized to them for his successors' offensive against them, and offered them a cash gift of up to N1m over which the members there present had a sharing disagreement and one of them was shot dead by the others?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2011/09/boko-haram-visit-obasanjos-host-shot-dead/amp/

Please be informed that what we now know as Fulani Herdsmen and Bandits are all disguised forms of Boko Haram which Obasanjo acknowledges began in his time. Also note that unknown gunmen and IPOB are offshoots of MASSOB another Obasanjo legacy. How come Yaradua solved Niger Delta militancy yet it outlived his tenure?

Debt forgiveness which Obasanjo got is not same as debt repayment. Had Obasanjo actually repaid our debts, then you could call it an achievement.

The coming of Mobile telecommunication had its beginning in the Abacha administration.

Could you be specific about the integrated power plants Obasanjo invested in? Your theory that power sector challenges could have been addressed by a situation of every successive government utilizing 35% of funds and stealing the 65% balance is a veiled rationalization of abuse of office. Why then is Obasanjo walking free of EFCC harassment while governors who spend even more than 35% of budgeted funds in the respective state ministries and looting the rest are on EFCC's trail?

ndept:
Thanks for the bolded. The problem with the country is that the citizens are not united as one to speak the evil bedeviling the nation. The moment you speak out, another will quickly interpret it to mean political, religious or ethnic bias against the government. Gradually, almost all the companies established by foreigners are leaving the country due to economic or security reasons, while most local manufacturers and SME have close shop or are on the verge of closing. Even our local farmers can no longer go to their farms safely, when you speak out some will say you are bias against the country. All these problems were not there when Obasanjo was in government. The problem started around 2010 and got worse with successive governments. If we continue like this, one day our economy will take a nosedive to where we don't expect it.

By the bolded, you are guilty of the very attitude of not speaking out which you seem to see in others. I can't believe that there are still people with the perception that these problems were not there during the time of Obasanjo which was the time they all actually started and Obasanjo ignored all of it in pursuit of political capital.

Obasanjo himself has confessed several times in the public that this insecurity started in his regime and that he left those behind it to continue because they didn't disturb his government.
If not Obasanjo, who on earth can ever argue that insecurity of any stage is not a disturbance to his government. I have always said it that Nigeria's problem is not the political class as assumed but the quest for political correctness among the citizens.

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Boshins:
oga, when there r no facts to back up a claim, then u r only assuming... I don't drag issues on assumptions...

He is a prophet and prophecies are not based on facts but on spiritual revelation. So he doesn't need to back up his claims with facts else he would not be a prophet in the first instance

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