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Brendaniel:Yes and emphatically so. If he had restrained himself from unlawfully intervening in the Western Region's purely internal crisis, the whole thing would have run its natural course and Akintola would have been successfully impeached in line with the wish of an overwhelming majority of Western Region people hence there would have been peace and the issue of Awolowo seeking self help against Balewa-Zik Coalition Government wouldn't have ever been, Awolowo wouldn't have been imprisoned hence the January 15 1966 coup wouldn't have even been plotted and Ironsi wouldn't have ever risen to power let alone cause the constitutional crisis which sparked off a war that led to the Nigerian tragedy we all regret today. So those who helped Balewa clinch power in the name of political strategy should be blamed for the failure of Nigeria. |
DMerciful:You have not answered the question. Whether anyone wants to continue with the cycle of failure or not is not the issue here. If you want to discuss about that then you can open a separate thread for that. But the issue under contention here is about who started the cycle of failure by way of deliberately making wrong choices in the name of strategy and yet hypocritically now trying to put the blame on others? |
Brendaniel:Akintola and Sardauna were regional rulers and the argument in this thread is about how Nigeria was destroyed at the national level (not regional level) by the making of wrong choices at the national elections. So this Akintola and Sardauna angle you are trying to introduce is diversionary. |
gidgiddy:Secession clause, plebiscite and referendum are all creations of the white man hence we knew none of these before the colonialists came and joined us together. Therefore, if we are to follow your line of argument, then we as well don't need referendum and plebiscite if we don't need secession clause, so Nigeria remains. Thanks to your uncle Zik who invented the doctrine that "The unity of Nigeria is perpetual and non-negotiable". |
This thread must be kept alive. It is a living evidence of the fact that our choices during elections are actually based on tribalism while pretending that it is based on competence. |
gidgiddy:Everytime you are asked to provide Aguiyi Ironsi s gazette in order that a genuine seeker of the truth can compare it with the Gowon's own you always easily upload in order that he can make his own independent minded deduction as to who destroyed federalism, you resort to accusations of Lagos/Ibadan Expressway media which ironically your Igbo-owned Sun Newspaper is part and parcel of. Is it Lagos/Ibadan Expressway media that holds you back from uploading Iron's gazette? |
Uchek:Even Zik with his own mouth confessed that Awolowo moved a motion for secession and that even the North did. https://www.blackpast.org/global-african-history/1953-nnamdi-azikiwe-speech-secession/. So I don't know why you are trying to deny on behalf of Zik what Zik himself has long admitted. Secondly, your claim that Zik had no power to sabotage secession clause makes it clear that you have no understanding of imperialism politics. When an imperial Government wants to enforce a policy against the wish of the locals, all they need is just one dissenting voice from among the locals in support of them. In the case of independence, when all the regions were unanimous in asking for it, they granted it but when the North alone dissented in support of the British, they found a justification not to grant it. Likewise, if Azikiwe had, on behalf of the Eastern Region, joined the West and North in the push for secession clause, the British overlords wouldn't have had any moral ground to refuse. But once they found the dissenting voice in Zik for the East the deal was done. So Zik didn't need to have any real physical power to hold back secession but his dissenting voice did the magic |
Brendaniel:After joining the North to elect Balewa, didn't you people later turn around to complain of his misgovernance so much as to stage a bloody coup to remove him illegally? By that alone, you and your people were the first in the history of Nigeria to later complain of the very choice you made. Others complain but not to the point of taking up arms to kill those they voted into power and even kill innocent persons alongside. |
Brendaniel:Without prejudice to the fact that Tinubu made it clear that the implementation of his campaign promises would cause temporary microelectronic discomfort at first but ease out later into prosperity, the guy here is far better than you lots because he could be adjudged to have supported Tinubu when he innocently assumed he would meet up with his expectation hence he made a choice he innocently thought was right and now he is honest (though an ill informed honesty) to acknowledge he made a wrong choice. But per you lots who already knew and with your own mouths adjudged Peter Obi to be a failure many years before 2023, all of a sudden queued up behind him tagging him the long awaited messiah. Nothing could be a better example of a deliberate wrong choice. Look at the thread here where you yourselves called Obi a monumental failure before 2023: Happy reading. https://www.nairaland.com/870945/what-exactly-peter-obi-doing/47 |
Brendaniel:They might have voted for Buhari and Tinubu to prove to you that you don't have the monopoly of making wrong choices in the name of political strategy as you did at independence and repeated in 1979 by voting for Shagari, and again in 1993 by voting for Tofa, and yet again in 1999 by voting for Obasanjo over Falae. See how it is now paining you so much? |
gidgiddy:Another revisionist tale! You think the truth about Aburi Accord is hidden? In going to Aburi, the most important stated objective was the abrogation of all Ironsi's decrees and restoration of the constitution to exactly how it was prior to the coming of Ironsi. There is no gainsaying therefore that by such agreement, the desire was to return Nigeria to true federalism and a total rejection of all Ironsi's criminal amendments, and no more no less. But on arrival at Aburi, Ojukwu came with the proposal of Confederacy by which the center would become far weaker than the regions unlike the previous federal arrangement by which they were of nearly equal powers until Ironsi came and made the center far stronger than the regions. In essence, what Nigerians had always wanted was a balance of power between the center and the subnational units in order that they would be able to checkmate each other's excesses since corruption and misgovernance would easily become the order of the day if one is stronger than the other. But Ironsi came and tilted this balance overwhelmingly towards the center. Nigerians rejected it and got him removed from power in retaliation. Then Gowon came and started trying to strike the balance, and Nigerians supported him. But at Aburi, Ojukwu tried to tilt the balance overwhelmingly towards the subnational units, and unfortunately, Gowon being less educated than Ojukwu could not easily grasp that Ojukwu's proposals were meant to disrupt the balance again but this time in favour of the regions even though he had initially supported Ironsi"s tilting of it towards the center thinking his Igbo kinsmen would be in power always. On return from Aburi, other Nigerian professionals went through the agreement and realized it was against the balanced structure they were hoping to return to, so they rightly and correctly told Gowon to throw the agreement into the dustbin where it rightly belonged. So Nigerians rejected the Aburi Accord hence the narrative that Gowon reneged on it is pure falsehood aimed at justifying Ojukwu's hypocritic declaration of war. If Ojukwu so much believed in freedom from oppression as you claim, then why did he hold back Isaac Adaka Boro from seeking freedom out of the same oppressive Nigeria under Ironsi? So only Igbos should be free while other tribes suffer under them? |
aswani:Don't mind them. They find it easy to pontificate without looking back at how they made the wrong choice from the very beginning of Nigeria hence ruining the foundation of the country. |
Brendaniel:Funny! I specifically mentioned how you lots voted for Tofa, Balewa and Shagari in preference over Abiola, your own Zik and Ojukwu, and you are here trying to divert attention to Tinubu, Obasanjo, Jonathan and Yaradua who were all products of imposition directly or indirectly. Why not just stick to the question of what convinced you that Tofa was better than Abiola, Shagari was better than Zik or Awolowo, Obasanjo was better than Falae, and that Balewa was better than your own Zik in heading the coalition government at independence? How come you lots are so good at chosing candidates yet your SE region remains so badly ungoverned till today by virtue of throwing up the likes of Mr. Kerosene in Abia State, Theodore Orji, Peter Obi who invested public funds in a moribund private company? |
gidgiddy:Isn't it funny that you seem not to understand what you read in the section you referenced above? The issue there is what used to be known as distributable pool. Here is the explanation: In the Independence Constitution, each region remitted 25% of their revenue to the center, retained 50% for themselves for development, and remitted the remaining 25% to a an account known as distributable pool which would then be shared among them by some formula. This pool obviously had nothing to do with their retained 50%. Now, in the above decree, Gowon was only explaining that since the subnational units had increased more than the previous number of four, there must be a review of the formula for sharing the distributable pool in order that the newly created subnational units would get a proportional amount to what their mother regions were getting before. It is like previously giving N100 to a region known as Region A, then that Region gets split into two daughter regions now known as Regions C and D. Of course the N100 must now be split into N50 for each of regions C and D. So how does that amount to disrupting the existing arrangement? Or are you suggesting that the N100 must keep being given to only one of the two regions in order not to be 'guilty' of altering the arrangement? The new subnational units created must get their own percentage of the revenue coming previously to their mother subnational unit, and that must be backed by a new law. That exactly was what Gowon did in that decree 15 and nothing else. He didn't mention anything about the 50% which of course would automatically accrue to the new subnational units by virtue of the revenues now to be generated from within their new boundaries. |
DMerciful:You have forgotten that you folks introduced into Nigeria the culture of playing political strategy which does not benefit the country. What benefit were your people hoping that Nigeria would benefit when at independence you choose the NPC-NCNC coalition which was going to give power to the most educationally backward part of the country to pioneer a new democracy? What benefit were you sincerely convinced would accrue to Nigeria by chosing to go into alliance with Shagari again through Alex Ekweme despite knowing fully well how Nigeria had previously failed under a similar arrangement at independence? |
Brendaniel:What is the correlation between these images and the fact that you lots voted massively for Shagari, Balewa and Tofa who were almost uneducated and didn't provide any manifesto? How does it prove that Obasanjo was a better candidate than Olu Falae and Ojukwu? |
Brendaniel:A people who voted en bloc for a barely educated Alhaji Bashir Tofa against MKO a First Class Accountancy graduate of the University of Glasgow, and also, at independence, preferred an alliance that would place power in the hands of people from the most educationally backward part of the country while rejecting the offer for an alliance which would have had their own highly educated Azikiwe at the helms of power are now beating their chests about making the right choices in election. These people never cease to amuse me. So the Obasanjo you all gave bloc votes in 1999 without any known manifesto was better than the Olu Falae who brandished a manifesto that had the potential to turn Nigeria to an industrialized nation within 15 years? The Yaradua you voted for in 2007 was better than your own Ojukwu who in addition to being a graduate of the prestigious Oxford University, presented the best manifesto since the return of this democracy? You people should just restrict yourself to comedy section please. |
pafra:Obasanjo had all the power and opportunity in the world to act the 'truth' you claim he is saying now, but he couldn't. He is a member of the cabal as you rightly said, but he could not pick an Igbo man to succeed him and still could not pick an Igbo man as running mate to the Yaradua he picked in denial of Igbos the presidency. In 1999 when Alex Ekweme was obviously going to emerge the PDP flagbearer, the same Obasanjo allowed himself to be used by the Northern section of the cabal to push Alex Ekweme away from the ticket. Has he apologized for all these his anti-Igbo presidency actions before speaking this 'truth' about the denial of Igbos presidency? |
Lanruze:If he is as courageous as you believe, then how come he couldn't use that courage to fulfill his promise to hand over to an Igbo man at the end of his tenure in 2007? Is courageousness measured in words or action? |
jmoore:Please what does OBJ have to say after allowing himself to be used in 1998 by IBB and Northern Oligarchs to displace Alex Ekweme from the PDP ticket which was sure to produce the president for this new democracy? What does OBJ have to say after promising to hand over to Igbo at the end of his tenure but later ended up describing the promise as a gentleman's agreement and picked Yaradua as his successor and as if that was not enough, he still refused to pick an Igbo man as Yaradua's running mate (despite the bloc votes you Igbos gave him both in 1999 and 2003 elections) so that it would have been an Igbo man rising to become president on Yaradua's death rather than Jonathan a Niger Deltan? Some of you Igbos find it difficult to recognize your actual enemies. Obasanjo remains the only president who enjoyed massive Igbo support and therefore owes the Igbo nation more than anyone else, but he is here pontificating on Igbo interest hypocritically and you are falling for it. |
Tetrahedron:Without prejudice to the fact that the January 1966 coup was a brainchild of Ifeajuna and not Nzeogwu as mistakenly assumed, I would opine that the coup was very wrong in principle. Military intervention in democracy has never progressed any country and Nigeria couldn't have ever been the miraculous exception. The January coup was inspired in those boys by mere and unverified accusations of massive corruption being bandied around against the politicians of the day back then. Investigations after the coup showed that a politician like Ahmadu Bello was servicing a personal loan he took from a bank for his upkeep when he could have, as a regional premier, helped himself from public funds of his office. If anything, the military era that followed ended up institutionalizing corruption and sustaining it till today. We would have been far better off today if the January 1966 coup never happened. The true federalism and resource control we want today was exactly what we started with but was destroyed by the military. Lastly, it is not a coincidence that the countries which top the list of world powers both in economic prosperity and military power have never had their democracy punctuated by military intervention. E.g. USA, Germany, Japan, UK, China, Italy, Canada, and even Russia. |
SonofElElyonRet:It is a prophesy not an advice |
gidgiddy:If Ironsi's gazette doesn't mention anything about the regions and resource control, shouldn't that have been the more reason you should upload it as it would have easily convinced your readers that you are saying the truth? You think you are talking to kids or even fools on Nairaland? Just imagine someone saying he doesn't need to forward any evidence to convince people of his claim. Funny. So how exactly did you read Gowon's gazette to mean an end to federalism and resource control? Did you see anywhere in the Gowon gazette where federalism was mentioned at all let alone its abolition? Did you see anywhere resource control was mentioned? Gowon's creation of states didn't end federalism. The meaning of federalism is that the Subnational units of a country (be they named states like in the USA, regions like in the UK, provinces like in Canada, or whatever and wherever) are autonomous and independent of the center. Therefore Gowon's creation of states did not remove federalism since it didn't alter the autonomy and Independence of the states he created. Ironsi created provinces out of the hitherto autonomous regions and took away their autonomy and Independence by subsuming them under his own control from the center. In fact he asked the heads of those provinces to be reporting to him. Were the premiers of the regions reporting to Tafawa Balewa at the center during the regional system era? A big no. If Ironsi had liked and he therefore created 1 billion provinces or 5 million groups of provinces and let them inherit the autonomy and Independence of their mother regions, no one would have been accusing him today of dismantling federalism and resource control. We currently have six regions in Nigeria namely: SS, SW, SE, NW, NE and NC, but does that automatically translate to practicing regional system? A big NO, and that is because the regions are not recognized legally as subnational federating units because they are just groups of states which have no powers or autonomy. That exactly was the situation under Ironsi. So Ironsi destroyed federalism and resource control by dissolving the regions into powerless groups of provinces which were reporting to him at the center. |
gidgiddy:An attempt was made to return to the constitution in 1978 courtesy of the constitutional conference of that year, but you know what? It was again scuttled by one of your people. You want the proof? |
gidgiddy:Go and find out how many years it took America to get to where it is today after the war. Moreover, the American war wasn't a fall out of any constitutional crisis so after the war they all easily returned to their normal lives as guided by their own sovereign constitution. But in Nigeria our sovereign constitution was destroyed by those we fought against. And the damage done to that constitution became our bigger problem after the war |
Odingo1:Ojukwu was head of Eastern Group of Provinces not head of Eastern Region. |
gidgiddy:The gazette you upload every now and then does not show any evidence that Gowon tampered with true federalism or resource control. The reason you have never uploaded Ironsi's own is that you know it is full of evidence that Irons abolished federalism and resource control. It is that simple |
gidgiddy:If anything, Gowon at some point reversed Ironsi's decrees. Ironsi renamed "Republic of Nigeria" While Gowon changed it back to "Federal Republic of Nigeria". So going by the meaning of the word "federal" who between Ironsi and Gowon abolished federalism? |
gidgiddy:You have continued to push this lie even when you have not been able to explain what Ironsi meant when he said in his broadcast that "The regions are hereby abolished and broken down to provinces". Secondly, why do you always quickly upload Gowon's Decree gazette without uploading Ironsi's own side by side so that the open minded reader will go through both and decide from an informed opinion? Why are you hiding Ironsi's gazette but quick to show that of Gowon if you are not trying to deceive people? |
gidgiddy:In America, it was a war the government fought against those who were hell bent on holding onto enslavement of fellow men against the American philosophy of freedom and equality of all men before God as captured in the American Independence Declaration. Likewise in Nigeria it was a war fought by the government against those who felt they could enslave others through a fraudulent One Nigeria philosophy which they used as a cover up to destroy the Independence Constitution by which Nigeria was founded on equity, equality of all men and fair and equitable management of resources. |
Chucks13:You missed the sarcasm of the post. |
Pardon9ija:Can you tell your listeners what Obaseki did with the money he purportedly refused to share? If you may know, his first term during which he accused Oshiomhole of asking him to share money is far better than his second term during which Oshiomhole was no longer asking him to share money. Take a journey to Edo State and listen to common men in the streets of Benin City especially. Obaseki is a scam. Oshiomhole's only fault is that it was him that imposed the failure called Obaseki on Edo State people. |
