Zonefree:

Is suicide the remedy for depression? Why blame depression every time?

No one ever promised life is going to be bed of roses. I've always known this during my primary school days.

Anybody wey go mumu say e wan kill em self cos life is hard, go just die for nothing. Death stops no
thing.

If I go mumu kill myself, who I dey leave all these succulent brezz and fresh azzz for

Suicide is actually a complication of depression and many other mental illnesses. Most people that commit suicide can't help themselves. It is an end stage to the illness called depression. It's a pity majority of people do not know this. The only way suicide can be prevented is if the underlying illness is treated. It's just like if someone with a badly treated hypertension eventually comes down with stroke or heart attack. Can they just 'will' themselves not to have stroke? No

SmartyPants:
Eya. Not sure why i'm sad.

I'm sad too o. Seriously. Tears dropped from my eyes when I saw the news

But why didn't the op just find a job for the bm while she was still with him? Even if it was just a 20k teaching job. That might have eased things a bit. Giving her money to start a business when you don't know her level of business intelligence is just like wasting money. And giving a woman 5k monthly, I really don't know what she would do with that.
I know some men will say she's not his wife just a babymama yenyenyen, but if she's good enough to sleep with, then you must be ready to be responsible, and at least assist her to stand on her feet too without putting all the burden on you. This case is somehow. Op too has his blame and he can't come here to be playing the victim. If he doesn't check where he is wrong, the same thing will repeat itself with the next woman

Fasindo:




Once police say there is no cause for alarm, just know there is a curse for alarm

A man with turban inside church, he may be a Taliban


By the way christians are truly peaceful, can you wear any christian attire and drive inside a moque during jummat and still be alive by now

Can someone even enter a police station without being cross examined espeacilly when such person is with a vehicle, does it mean his car was not searched and scan, well since he is on turban police would not search him

You people sha like to spread unnecessary hatred and deceit. Many times in the university I see Muslim students come with their Christian friends to the mosque, and the friends will sit someplace around the mosque until the Muslim finishes her prayer and they leave together. Why don't the people in the mosque kill those Christian friends that come around?
You just come online to incite hatred and ignorant people like you will follow you like mumu. Smh

Stargangz:
Thank u Jesus, his allah failed him, he wanted to blow himself up, I guess he forgot which button to press

See how unreasonable you just thought now. Where did you read that he is a Muslim? Your hatred for Islam will eventually put you in trouble soon. You'll see

Tomilola360:
No one is blaming christianity for this. Hypocritical beings

If it happened in a mosque, they'll start cursing all Muslims. Hypocrites. All of them

luminouz:
Lol...the kids were not kidnapped. Where dafuq did these news outlets get that?

This issue happened very close to my house sef.

So what happened? What were they doing in the church's basement?

DispatcherLagos:

Ewu....do you know how much I pay your useless government as tax? I bet you don't have a tax record. Lagos needs me more than I need her. So shut the gutter on your scratched face. Lagos isn't "west" it is a "no-man's-land" learn this today

Hey! It is when you people want to do ojoro that you call Lagos a no Man's land. Lagos isn't a no Man's land o. Those of us that have origins in Lagos know ourselves well. Lagos is western Nigeria, for Yoruba's and Aworis. It is not your land. You're just a visitor

elfiddy:
Medical intervention not Divine Intervention

Is it all medical interventions that succeed? Many people try IVF severally yet have nothing to show for it

olusegxz:


A nurse will face no litigation for prescription. You may face one for administering what a doctor prescribed if for example you give a wrong dosage. So yes.

If a doctor puts a wrong prescription or dosage down, and a Nurse ignorantly follows what the doctor has written, the Nurse may face litigation. The doctor may also be liable for a wrong prescription. But what I'm trying to point out is that no one will say since it's the doctor that wrote the wrong prescription or wrong dosage, then only him is liable. The Nurse is also meant to know when a doctor gives her what is wrong to administer

olusegxz:


So now let me educate you. But before I do can we know what level of education you have. Secondly referring to WHO coding. Coding is a guide to deduce a diagnosis. Every symptom is coded because a symptom can become a diagnosis.

So you read a book code and suddenly think you know diagnosis. Funny. If you actually are in practise you will understand that there is no ache that can be associated to the 'head'.

It has to originate from somewhere. You need to investigate the source of that ache and come up with a proper diagnosis.

That is what separates you who take directions and write notes from people who actually save lives in practise.

Go and diagnose headaches to your patients. Lol.

You don't know anything. Telling me WHO coding theory lol. I am talking about real actual practise and what you have deal with. Do you know the level of investigation it entails to conclusively say it is a diagnosis. In practise that is almost impossible. It is either due to congestion, tension, nerves etc.

The only time head ache can be a diagnosis is when there is no associated factors and in practise that is almost impossible in practise. Go and be reciting codes for patients.

You see what I'm talking about? You're too conceited to actually know that saving lives is a collaborative effort of health professionals, not just the work of a doctor. And you still don't understand the job of Nurses from your statement.
Primary headaches can actually happen without any underlying disease, so if after all investigations and you don't find any underlying condition, will you cook up another diagnosis asides what is wrong with the patient which is just headache?

olusegxz:


Umm everyone has subordinates oo. Do you know in the west people would rather not be the one in charge, it is the person in charge that faces the most litigation. Even various doctors are subordinates to others colleages. Nurses are dear colleagues.

Do you know that if a doctor commits an error in prescription or dosage and the Nurse serves the medication ignorantly and something happens to the patient, it is the Nurse that is most likely to face litigation because she is meant to have adequate knowledge to know if there is an error in a prescription or a dosage. Does that mean the Nurse is in charge?

olusegxz:


Debola debola lol. You are actually the first person I am communicating with on nairaland. And what an interesting conversation. Well we learn everyday but can a nurse register a clinic in Nigeria. I need to investigate that one. In 2011 when I left Nigeria only a doctor can register a clinic or health facility. Even a pharmacist needs a doctor to partner with to open a hospital. Just as a doctor needs to partner with a pharmacist to open a pharmacy even if that pharmacy is located in your clinic. Give facts do not give hear says. I know for a fact that a nurse cannot be the sole proprietor of a clinic or health center. Also do you belong to MDCN. Because that is the body that regulates and monitors health clinics etc.

A Nurse can own a maternity clinic that caters for maternal and child health, antenatal clinic, childbirth etc. She can employ a doctor if she wants advanced gynaecological care to be practised in her clinic

olusegxz:


Sorry but this is where we draw the line. As far as I am concerned the so called nursing school system is part of the reason you have a problem with respect and recognisation. Which one is nursing school or university. What degree is nursing school. Please I won't converse with anyone who does not at least have a bachelors. Also educate yourself a primary health system is not run by nurses. It is still a health care system headed by a doctor. Who is the cmd of health centers. Who is the head of any clinic. So why not as a nurse go and set up a clinic and call it primary health center only. Excuse me but the more you converse the more you are making no sense. A nurse works under a doctor. And to state further in the health team hierarchy where there is a pharmacist, physiotherapist, psychologists and so on, if they work as a team the medical doctor heads. Even a nurse practitioner needs to have a doctor on record to refer to at all times. So this hate please get over it. It is only in Nigeria nurses want sit shoulder to shoulder with doctors. Where i work we have a doctors lounge and then a common lounge. A nurse not dare come sit there. But there is still respect across board. No one is saying nurses have no role, they do and a very important one.

This is not about hate, this is for doctors to understand that other health professionals are their colleagues not their surbodinates. I don't know why that is hard to understand

olusegxz:


Sorry but this is where we draw the line. As far as I am concerned the so called nursing school system is part of the reason you have a problem with respect and recognisation. Which one is nursing school or university. What degree is nursing school. Please I won't converse with anyone who does not at least have a bachelors. Also educate yourself a primary health system is not run by nurses. It is still a health care system headed by a doctor. Who is the cmd of health centers. Who is the head of any clinic. So why not as a nurse go and set up a clinic and call it primary health center only. Excuse me but the more you converse the more you are making no sense. A nurse works under a doctor. Simple.

you really have a lot to learn. A Nurse can own a clinic and employ doctors to work for him or her. And even though CMDs of hospitals have been doctors for a while, other health professionals have been questioning that arrangement of why the doctor alone can be a CMD. And we aren't even talking about CMDs right now. We are talking about the health professionals that patients meet when they get to a PHC. You don't need to get so worked up. A Nurse does not work under a doctor. They work together. And talking about Nursing schools and Universities, Nurses that graduate from schools of Nursing already have a Registered Nursing certificate. They still go back to the university to spend an extra four years after the three years in Nursing school to get a BNSc so they can be at par with their colleagues the world over.
However, Whether it is just school of Nursing a Nurse attends, he or she is still not under a doctor. Each professional is trained to do different things and they have different bosses. You need to understand that

olusegxz:


Also when you talk about child birth in PHCs, I stand to be corrected, but I do not think a nurse who is not a mid wife can lead that team. That, as far as I am concerned is where the TBAs come in. You will be surprised how trained the certified traditional birth attendants are in delivering babies.

Most of the time, the community health Nurses employed in PHCs are midwives. A Nurse who is not a midwife won't deliver babies because he or she is not trained to do so. And TBAs have their own centres where they attend to clients as far as I know. You don't actually find them in a government primary health centre. And I know TBAs are well trained. Of course they are trained by Nurses

olusegxz:


A traditional birth attendant is a part of the primary health care team, especially in a rural setting. Many primary health centers do not even have Nurses. I do not know if appretenship is qualified as nursing. I think the drive to ensure every nurse has formal education is being pushed by the nursing body in Nigeria, there are still many nurses who have no bachelors. Also when I say a nurse practitioner has doctor level training I mean they are trained to diagnose. If you call note writing as diagnosing then you clearly do not understand what that word means. Nurses in Nigeria do not diagnose. Period.

I don't know what you mean by note writing, and I don't think I said Nurses make medical diagnosis in secondary or tertiary health centres. Nurses have their own Nursing diagnosis that they make in the wards and that is used to take care of patients. This may probably be the first time you're hearing about Nursing diagnosis. You can browse about Nursing diagnosis and NANDA for more information.
As far às I know, TBAs do not work in formal primary health centres. They may be a part of primary health care, but they have their own centres where clients go to meet them. Some PHCs actually have just community health workers, and even these people also treat ailments. Every Registered Nurse has a formal education, whether they attended school of Nursing or the university. I think you mean that the Nursing body is pushing for more registered nurses to have a bachelor's degree.

olusegxz:


Are you a nurse? And what level of nursing education do you have. I do not say it to spite you just out of curiosity. It seems you have a misunderstanding of how a health facility works. When you say health centres do you mean PHCs or be specific. A primary health center is usually a sub health facility in very remote areas with no resident doctor. A nurse or even TBA is put to stand in and attend to very basic care. At least we don't want patients dieing. No where in the world can a nurse perform complete treatment of a patient so get your facts right. I do not mean your notes of recording vital signs etc. Even Nurse practitioners in the western world that have doctor level training have a strict limit of care. You can perform basic care but there will always be a doctor or a pharmacist that can be called upon. I have worked in LUTH for many years so I know perfectly how hospital systems run. Once again nairaland is faceless but there are real people behind these accounts. At this point I rest on this case. As I said every member of the health team is vital and important, but roles on what to do are specific, and it commensurates with the level of training you receive and the need to ensure lives are in safe hands.

When i say health centres, i mean primary health centres. TBAs are not put in primary health centres as far as I know. The least person to attend to people in a PHC is the community health worker. And when you talk about complete treatment, it depends on what you mean. Nurses in PHC take care of ailments and child births then send patients home afterwards. I think that qualifies as complete treatment. They do not need a doctor for that. If any complication occurs, the patient is sent to a secondary or tertiary health centre where they are cared for by specialists. Nurses in secondary or tertiary centres do not prescribe for patients because that is the job of the doctor there. Nurses have their jobs, doctors have theirs. The only problem is when doctors feel the work of the Nurse is only limited to taking vital signs. And Nurse practitioners do not have 'doctor level training'. They have trainings that correspond with the standard level of care they are to give as Nurse practitioners.

talltosyne:
You can try check your hormonal balance also, with high prolactin, pregnancy might be diffcult. Let your husband do SFA, don't assume. All in all, hand over everything to God, At the appointment time, He will make you laugh. Big hugssss

Thank you my sis

Pweetiebabe:
Ma'am don't just assume ur DH sperm is good cos he has other children, a lot of things like infection and our diet can affect a man Sperm quality without even him knowing so let hubby go for SFA. I know there are some food that can help with ovulation try and google them, the Lord will bless your womb soon ijn

Ill do that. Amen. Thanks so much ma'am

olusegxz:


A doctor can clerk, treat, support and post monitor a patient. Only a doctor on the ground is allowed for standard requirements but if a hospital has only a nurse on duty during working hours with no justable cause it can be sanctioned. Once again I didn't create the delegation of duties, hate it or love it. It doesn't change this role. Nairaland is faceless, go to a hospital setting and make these claims not here.

Like I already said, everyone has their duties assigned to them. Health centres usually have only community health/public health nurses attend to patients there, and no sanction occurs. In standard hospitals, Nurses also clerk patients to have a baseline knowledge on the patients they are to take care of. Thats why we have Nurses notes. They treat with drugs prescribed by the doctor, support a lot and post monitor the patient. The Nurse stays the most with the patient. Maybe because most of you doctors are used to private hospital settings, you're not really familiar with the duties of the Nurse.

Jolene201:

Sis just leave him some things are beyond some people's comprehension.
Wow,I salute your courage tho,it's not easy o I also did biochemistry up till 300 level before deciding to go for Nursing Omo ...to get a degree no be beans I respect you ma..by the way nurses are really respected this I've seen, maybe that guy that kept repeating injection jabber has never been privileged to see the real nurses, Maybe it's the auxiliary ones he's been seeing.

Thank you o

shithapuns:


Dont give up, the sun will shine again on your faces 1 day.

I would suggest, you take stock of the situation, note what you guys have done so far, what you or your doctor think is the issue, what you think needs to be done...and then follow thru.in addition to prayers
Having a plan during ttc, helps a lot, gives focus and gives you something to do.

If you are willing, we can run tru the process with you. Eg

Tubes----- open or closed, when was your last hsg
Sperm----- good or poor, when was the last sfa and values.

Uterine linning---- good or poor, when was your last follicular tracking?, How thick was your linning
Ovulation-----+ do you ovulate normally?, What is your cycle length.

Etc

I was told my tubes were blocked two years ago, but the hsg I did last year said they were opened. My husband's sperm is good, I think, because he has other children. I had follicular tracking last cycle and my uterine lining was about 10mm. I don't ovulate normally except with ovulation induction drugs. Sometimes i use the drug but dont ovulate. Last cycle I used letrozole 7.5mg and carbergoline for high prolactin. Follicles were seen and I was told I ovulated, but I didn't get pregnant.

bizzibodi:

Thank you.

You're welcome

allycat:
Where I work, when I scrub in for surgery, the nurses gown me and glove me. This is here in Nigeria in a private hospital. This is not because they are inferior to the doctor or the doctor does not have hands to wear his gloves himself but to ensure sterility of the operating feild.

When I worked in a teaching hospital the nurses acted as though they were doing a favour assisting a surgeon, that was until visiting surgeons came from Germany with their nurses and refused the local nurses scrubbing in because they had used them before and found them inadequate.

So many wrong things have become the norm in Nigerian public hospitals and many at times it’s the doctors who shot themselves in the foot in order to get results faster.That’s why house officers take blood samples to the lab and retrieve results, dress wounds, regulate Iv fluids themselves or move patients to theatre or radiology just so that work goes smoothly and it has now become their duty.

Where I've worked in a government hospital, sometimes the house officer assists the surgeon to gown and glove. Sometimes the nurse does that. No one takes it as a big deal, or as a particular person's duty. Most times in the theatre, if you're new, you won't be able to differentiate between who is a Nurse or who is a doctor. It's always about performing the surgery and getting excellent results. If foreign doctors found those nurses inadequate, then maybe they actually have inadequate knowledge and have refused to brush themselves up. This can be seen amongst some doctors too

allycat:
Where I work, when I scrub in for surgery, the nurses gown me and glove me. This is here in Nigeria in a private hospital. This is not because they are inferior to the doctor or the doctor does not have hands to wear his gloves himself but to ensure sterility of the operating feild.

When I worked in a teaching hospital the nurses acted as though they were doing a favour assisting a surgeon, that was until visiting surgeons came from Germany with their nurses and refused the local nurses scrubbing in because they had used them before and found them inadequate.

So many wrong things have become the norm in Nigerian public hospitals and many at times it’s the doctors who shot themselves in the foot in order to get results faster.That’s why house officers take blood samples to the lab and retrieve results, dress wounds, regulate Iv fluids themselves or move patients to theatre or radiology just so that work goes smoothly and it has now become their duty.

Well, I think doctors also like to do jobs that aren't theirs to do, that's why it eventually becomes their job. Is it the job of a doctor to dress wound or take patients to theatre? Taking patients to theatre is even the job of the porter, and a Nurse follows them to make sure everything is in order.
These days, you see doctors performing abdominal examination on pregnant women or in labour room trying to take delivery or doing MVA. These are Nurses duties, so why would doctors carry it up? If you ask them, they'll say it's because they want their house officers to gain experience. So how is that the fault of the Nurse? Everyone has their own duties. No need to encroach on other people's duties.

bizzibodi:

Even if the educational system make nursing education so tedious what is the role of nursing can a nurse allowed to do diagnosis and prescription?do surgery apart from opening a boil? bandages wound,giving injection,gien patients their drug,takes vital signs,drip as it is done since time immemorial.

Nurses have their Nursing diagnosis that are used for patients in the ward to care for them, asides a doctors diagnosis. A public health nurse can make general diagnosis and write prescription in public health centres. Nurses must understand every diagnosis made by a doctor, the drugs to be used, side effects, those who aren't supposed to use the drug, and care in case of emergencies. For general diagnosis and prescription, If a Nurse does not know a diagnosis and the prescription that comes with it, and a doctor makes an error in prescribing the wrong drug or dose, if she serves it, she is liable and will be penalized, because as a Nurse you must have the knowledge of all these things and be able to know if you're serving the right drug or dose . There are different specializations in Nursing, and they all have their unique jobs that they are trained to carry out on a patient.

afrodoc2:


So you even just graduated from Osun Sate University after doing JAMB several times.

At this your old age? And you are this proud?

I already had a bachelor's degree in Anatomy before I decided to go back to school to study Nursing Science. So I have two bachelor degrees.
Why are you still on my case? Don't tell me you're already falling for me o

May Allah forgive him and grant aljannah firdaus Ameen

afrodoc2:




What can that your microscopic brain be sure of other than the fact that your only skill is administering injection and sitting on your fat ass all day envying the young doctors who are earning far more than you, and who society respects far more than you.

I am sure you go to bed every night shedding tears of frustration, and cursing your microscopic brain for not giving you the capacity to aspire for higher than injection jabber job.

Your ignorance is infinite and your brain is infinitesimal. I am sure your brain overheats any time you have to do anything more complex than administering injection. Debola Olodo

HilcomTech:



Basically we are saying the same thing. You are envious of their success and status in life.

Seems you're one of those people that feel if you're not a doctor you can never be fulfilled in life. Eeya. Do you even know what most doctors go through? Do you know how their family lives are most of the time? The money they are paid they have to suffer for it one way or the other. So what's there to envy?
I love my peace of mind as a Nurse o. And when you're successful and have peace of mind with it, my friend, you have everything

afrodoc2:




A senseless injection jabber like you with a vestigial brain is commenting on other people's intelligence. Doctors not being bosses of nurses should not have been your focus. You never commented on the criminal behaviour of the nurse because your frustrated and envious vestigial brain was thinking only of showing that you were not inferior to a doctor.

I hope you work in a saner environment than Nigeria so that you can lock someone up when you disagree at work. Prison uniform will fit you very well. Daft injection jabber.

Now I'm a 100% sure you're not a doctor. You're just a frustrated attendant with 10MB data to waste on nairaland. You're so envious of doctors and nurses it is evident in what you write. Don't worry I can't lock someone up. Idiots can't frustrate me to that extent.
Have you been to prison before? Because the way you're talking about prison uniform is making me suspicious
Don't quote me again. You're far below me to be exchanging words with. Go play with your mates