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deji68: Ukrainian troops cross into Russia to avoid fighting, talks underway

In Moscow, authorities acknowledged that Ukrainian troops had crossed into Russian territory - though they put the number at 438 - and Russian border guards said they had crossed during the night seeking asylum.

"They were tired of the war and wanted no further part in it," Vasily Malayev, spokesman for the border guards in the Rostov region of Russia, told Reuters by telephone. However, he added that 180 would be returned to Ukraine later on Monday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/04/us-ukraine-crisis-east-idUSKBN0G40YI20140804


So bacause a Russian Spokesman said they are seeking asylum in russia it is fact abi .....Reuter is neutral but is the russian spokesman neutral U are really intelligent

SirShymex: This is what happens when dealing with stark illiterates. I'll outline the argument again and hopefully someone would be willing to translate it into your local dialect or whatever language you can decipher.

- You cited Ukrainian soldiers crossing into Russia to back the claims that Nigerian soldiers must have "tactically maneuvered" into Cameroon. And I asserted that Ukrainian soldiers actually deserted and did ask for asylum in Russia, with two proofs: one from an independent source and another one from reuters.

Obviously, that shows you clearly don't know what both "desert" and "asylum" mean.

SirShymex: This is what happens when dealing with stark illiterates. I'll outline the argument again and hopefully someone would be willing to translate it into your local dialect or whatever language you can decipher.

- You cited Ukrainian soldiers crossing into Russia to back the claims that Nigerian soldiers must have "tactically maneuvered" into Cameroon. And I asserted that Ukrainian soldiers actually deserted and did ask for asylum in Russia, with two proofs: one from an independent source and another one from reuters.

Obviously, that shows you clearly don't know what both "desert" and "asylum" mean.

SirShymex: [s][/s]

It's now glaring that English language isn't your forte.

Can someone please translate my posts to this guy in his local dialect? lool

SirShymex: It's obvious you have reading and comprehension problems.

You cited Ukrainian soldiers to buttress your point - and I asserted that the Ukrainian soldiers actually deserted, and begged for asylum in Russia.

Here is the proof:



and




Anyway, just give up - you clearly don't know what the hell you're spouting everywhere.

SirShymex: You're still not making sense.

Where is the "tactical manoeuvre" in everything you posted up there? I'd say you further proved me right that they deserted. And the update on the news today is that they were with thousands of civilians who were also fleeing the BH onslaught.

As for the Russian border guards - they were arrested by the Ukrainians for territorial violation. So were the Nigerian troops also arrested by the Cameroonians? If so, why didn't the Nigerian defence hq allude to that, rather than claim fictitious ""tactical manoeuvre?"

SirShymex: Read the link you posted again, and this time, read it carefully while paying attention to detail. And do you even know what "desert" is?

1). Russian isn't a friendly country with the Kiev regime, and there's absolutely no way those guys would've been "forced" into Russian territory, without them expecting the Russian to shoot at sight and kill them off, especially when the Russians were having military drills there during that period. So, they would've alerted the Russians before taking whatever actions they took.

2). A battalion is enough to fight through enemy fire, to find a way to reconnect with soldiers, without necessarily crossing over to a hostile country and surrendering there. Especially when the Ukrainian rebels they're fighting aren't that many as well.

3). Why did they all seek asylum in Russia and not return back to Ukraine?

splashbaby: My brother! You can beleive anything

SirShymex: Did you read the link you posted?

And did they "mistakenly crossed" into Russian, or deserted like the naija army did?

Anyway, those Ukrainian soldiers asked for asylum in Russia and they're still there.

And more have done the same after that happened.

splashbaby: So our army fought so hard that during the thick of action they can't read their map and don't know when they are in foreign land.

noblezone: Its a "lie" o,

Nigeria soldiers are "defecting" to Cameroun!

Boko Haram and BBC and Al Jazera, and Press TV and CNN are the ones telling the "truth"!

Any Nigeria who dares to accept the version from the Nigeria army and government are "paid agents" of the government!

I hope the above has made me a "progressive"?

tit: either case is neither defection or desertion.
Running is an allowed military maneuver!

deji68: : "What we still don't understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender. It was the same at the battle of Tet. You defeated us. We knew it. We thought you knew it. But we were elated to notice that your media was definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefield. We were ready to surrender. You had won." He makes the point the Vietnam War was not lost in Vietnam; it was lost here. That's why I keep telling everybody that the Drive-Bys were trying to do the same thing in Iraq that they did in Vietnam for a host of reasons, not the least of which among them was to reestablish their own ability to influence people into the United States losing a war that the media was opposed to."
.........Scary, scary stuff from general Giap a vietnamese army general, on why America lost the vietnamese war.i think our media are behaving the same way...It took ISIS one month to occupy half of Iraq, . It took the Malian Rebels weeks to occupy half of Mali before France came to their rescue. ..its been 7 years since Boko Haram has been trying to turn Naija into Africa Afghanistan, yet they lack capacity to hold Territories.The NA have driven them out Maiduguri into bush ..I think the Na are winning the war........until they show me the pic, dont believe it

relchange: what you are saying (if true, and i believe it is) means that the police are better armed than the Nigerian army, constitutionally mandated with fighting foreigners.
so please tell us: who are the police being equipped to fight in Nigeria, the Nigerian citizens?

something is off here.

jpphilips: Naa I think you are the one living in fools paradise and yes! we can press buttons to make it happen, here is a button we can press;
The Nigerian presidential fleet has 11 jets plus one ambulance jet, one of the Gulf streams on the fleet is worth $60m, half of that amount can get you a modern Russian fighter jet. going by the above, 8 of our presidential fleet can land 16 modern fighter jets.
What is a state governor like Amaechi doing with a jet? if we perhaps join the fleet of the Govs, Nigerian air force will be second in Africa.
stop getting High on sentiments, this country is mismanaged to tatters, those Men and women out there deserve better.

ocelot2006: Oh please don't make me laugh. Yes we have tanks (even though they outdated and antique T-50s and Vickers MK3). And yes we have a number of APCs, but they are NOT enough. And if I may ask, how many of these vehicles are actually operational as we speak? We don't even have have enough MRAPs for Christ sake! All our soldiers rely on are soft skinned Hilux and Ford Ranger pickups which, like the APCS, are totally under equipped with mere GPMGS. And these is when BH Technicals are HEAVILY armed with HMGs and AA guns. The Police's case is even a more pathetic one because their armed with simple assault rifles (Type56-2, etc).

Btw, of what use are snipers and soldiers with body armour/assault vest if they're not given enough ammo when BH are equipped with surpluses from the last Libyan war. And please do NOT get me started on the Airforce. Where are the Attack fixed-wing Aircrafts? How many attacks helos do we have? Most importantly, where are the Fcking transport helicopters for the QRFS?

komekn: I think your misinformed, on paper the NA looks good in reality we just don't have the capacity, our equipment is mostly 30 years old, we do noy have fit for purpose IFV's.

In the UK if a soldier was sent out without the right equipment and back up, very senior officers would face a court martial according to general rules for wilful negligence and dereliction of duty.

In Nigeria the Generals send their kids to the USA, UK etc and buy multi million naira houses in Maitama and are commended for sending hundreds of soldiers to an early grave, the PERVERSION OF CORRUPTION is the real enemy killing the NA.