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Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 7:54pm On Oct 02, 2016
mank1234:
That means I didn't digress. Just that you couldn't answer the question, thus prompting you to refer me to evolutionary biologist.
Then I take it that 'we both agree that our opinions on evolution don't automatically stand as ultimate truth'.

A belief doesn't necessarily stand as truth just because contrary belief is perceived as false.

With this above opinion of mine, I rest my case.

Gracias!
Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 7:39pm On Oct 02, 2016
mank1234:
No comment. Let's wait for an evolutionary biologist to join the thread.
Digressing? Remind me what the argument was!
DeSepiero:
You have drawn your conclusion on evolution based on your limited research.
Nice of your inquisitive mind.
But this conclusion of yours which you hold and believe in, remains your opinion and doesn't automatically stand as the ultimate truth.
It doesn't prove or disprove the evolution theory. Does it?
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Christianity EtcRe: Every Religious People Pls Answer This Question by DeSepiero(m): 7:22pm On Oct 02, 2016
johnydon22:
I don't understand this - So you offer someone a kind of salvation and then threaten to torture them if they reject it?

That's blackmail not salvation.
Na this kind yarn dey make parents spread school children money anyhow during those graduation debates grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 7:12pm On Oct 02, 2016
mank1234:
Sorry to have burdened you with the question. I thought as a molecular biologist that you'll have the answers.

However, I've drawn a conclusion: if asked by fellow biologist you'll allude to evolution even though ypou don't know. I'll therefore suggest you implore your fellow biologist your assist you in imbibing evolution before you ask the respective religious ardent followers to proof God's existence.
Its okay. An Evolutionary Biologist would provide a satisfactory answer maybe. For now, i study individual genes.

I ain't asking anyone to provide proof of Gods existence though.

But are you stylishly disagreeing with me that "your opinion may not be ultimate truth"? You are digressing.
Christianity EtcRe: D by DeSepiero(m): 7:03pm On Oct 02, 2016
Lennycool:
But seriously oh. Has any one seen what's odd about the picture?
Do you mean how the cigar was stuck in at the point it is?
Christianity EtcRe: No! Pastor Adeboye, Your Approach Is Wrong… Peniel Plus by DeSepiero(m): 6:48pm On Oct 02, 2016
Anything for God!
Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 6:41pm On Oct 02, 2016
mank1234:
Welcome on board. With your unlimited research help me out with explanation for this and I'll not have any doubt on evolution of man: 1) explain how evolved animals appear in pairs ( male and female) 2) how the first evolved man escaped predators because he couldn't have evolved with tools.

Thank you in advance.
Thank you too. I rightly mentioned that you conducted your 'limited' research. It doesn't imply that I conducted 'unlimited' research.

So, in the light of that, I'm sorry I can't explain the issues you highlighted. I don't even know if what you have asked me to explain is correct in the first place.

But you can still react to my previous post "your opinion on evolution can't stand as 'ultimate truth' thereby proving or disproving the theory".

Do you agree with me?
Christianity EtcRe: D by DeSepiero(m): 6:33pm On Oct 02, 2016
Lennycool:
The picture below is an excellent optical illusion. Some will be able to tell what's odd about it in seconds, others will take a lot longer and some will never see the true image. But once you do see the real image you can NEVER unsee it. I myself have often tried to imagine the concept of heaven, hell and God, like I normally did when I was still a Christian. But like many other atheist I've found it impossible to accept the concept of a God and afterlife as reality. Religion is much like the illusion, once you see through the façade, you can never unsee it. The website below helped me see through the illusion of religion.
http://www.godisimaginary.com/i1.htm
Mostly true!!
Christianity EtcRe: Why Doesn't God Audibly Tell People Not To Do Certain Things? by DeSepiero(m): 6:26pm On Oct 02, 2016
y'all be avoiding a simple question by johnydon22
Is God male ? Yes or No !!!
smh
Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 6:11pm On Oct 02, 2016
mank1234:
I have researched thoroughly on evolution and still came to the same conclusion: animals do evolve through mutation, natural selection et al but that's not sufficient to explain the diversity of life form.

Not every information you get through Google search is factual. Anybody can put information on the internet and Google will bring it up.

Since you picked to discuss the bible, the holy book of christians, let us go there. Studying a book to understanding it is different from studying to discover loophole. Bible is a collection of different books written over a long period. The consistency is unrivaled. You can't say same of your science textbook.
You have drawn your conclusion on evolution based on your limited research.

Nice of your inquisitive mind.

But this conclusion of yours which you hold and believe in, remains your opinion and doesn't automatically stand as the ultimate truth.

It doesn't prove or disprove the evolution theory. Does it?
Christianity EtcRe: Crucifix Appears In Nasarawa Mosque; Hundreds Troop Out For Miracle by DeSepiero(m): 5:57pm On Oct 02, 2016
I was expecting to see photos of the alleged cross on the ground.
Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 5:47pm On Oct 02, 2016
DoctorAlien:
grin You could have been included in that "we", you know...

So, you mean that for this argument, there is no verifiable fact which we didn't know? Hmm. That's a bonus to us.

Agreed.
wink
Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 5:34pm On Oct 02, 2016
DoctorAlien:
Produce the verifiable facts which we didn't know before now.
By saying "we" in your reply, you believe that you fall into the category of people I'm referring to right?

Nice! Good job.

When next we argue, if I have a verifiable fact which you didn't know a priori, I'll call your attention to it, and vice versa because I'd like to learn new stuff.
agreed?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Doesn't God Audibly Tell People Not To Do Certain Things? by DeSepiero(m): 5:19pm On Oct 02, 2016
analice107:
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans:8:14

Are you a son?

My sheep will hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John:10:27

Goats don't hear the voice of a Shepherd, only sheep does.

Are you a goat or a sheep?
Yes! That's true, according to the Bible.

I am human though ! Not sheep or goat.

Now, I'm asking without religious sentiments.
Would it not be nice if the Almighty God who created us all 'in his image' talked to us all (his creations) audibly for us all to hear and understand him better?
Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 5:09pm On Oct 02, 2016
plaetton:
Let's be honest, most people on this religious section who question evolution are being who didn't or who barely finished biology in secondary school.
Besides, even Nigerian teachers and lecturers frown at the theory of evolution. So I don't blame most Nigerians. It's the poor quality of the system.

Sure, you have the right to ask questions. But the answers are already in the public domains.
The religious section is surely not the best place to learn everything about evolution and the theory of evolution.

Now, I said that if you are sincere, not just arguing for religious sake, grab a book on evolution and try to understand.
It's childish when some folks here argue just to protect their beliefs while rejecting or ignoring verifiable facts which they don't know prior to the argument.
Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 4:52pm On Oct 02, 2016
DoctorAlien:
Okay.

I'll continue searching to see if there's any scientist who can experimentally determine whether an individual contains jealousy, and in what amount.

Thanks for your time.
You're welcome
Christianity EtcRe: Why Doesn't God Audibly Tell People Not To Do Certain Things? by DeSepiero(m): 4:44pm On Oct 02, 2016
analice107:
He does to me. If you dont hear Him, its because you dont listen.
Why not everyone?
We hear, know, and are certain when mere humans talk, even when we ain't listening.
Why is the case different for the Almighty God?
Christianity EtcRe: How To Know If Your Religion Is The Fake One! by DeSepiero(m): 4:29pm On Oct 02, 2016
CAPSLOCKED:
DON'T WORRY FELLAS, WINNER01 AIN'T COMING CUZ I'M IN CHARGE NOW. smiley
grin Ride on bro By the way, the meme is so on point.
Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 4:24pm On Oct 02, 2016
DoctorAlien:
LOL. Is a psychologist a skeptical empiricist?

You still have not shown me how jealousy (and possibly the amount) in an individual can be determined by a scientific experiment, maybe in a lab.
Excuse me young man.

In my opinion, I made it clear that 'jealousy' as an emotional concept can be determined in an individual through such methods of inquiry as psychological examination and well drafted questionnaires by qualified experts (e.g Psychologists).
If you must know, I'm a molecular biologist and not a psychologist. I gave you a befitting answer from my understanding. Should I teach you psychology as a biologist?

If you disagree with my opinion or hold a different opinion, state it categorically or provide contrary evidence, and stop asking unnecessary questions.

Thank you
Christianity EtcRe: How To Know If Your Religion Is The Fake One! by DeSepiero(m): 3:58pm On Oct 02, 2016
Funny post! smiley
Christianity EtcRe: All The Atheists- Time To Change Your Name by DeSepiero(m): 3:34pm On Oct 02, 2016
Funny post.
Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 3:27pm On Oct 02, 2016
DoctorAlien:
If I bring my son to you, and ask you to determine scientifically whether there is jealousy in him, what will you do? (assuming he refuses to answer any questions you ask).

When you bring a sample to determine scientifically whether or not it contains protein, you don't begin to ask the samples question. Even if the sample could talk, science does not depend on human opinions. You proceed to experiment on the sample.
I repeat "You can consult a Psychologist" to know how he'd determine jealousy in a child or an unwilling individual.
I am not trained to conduct psychological tests and analyses.

My point is "It's possible to determine Jealousy in an individual".
Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 2:59pm On Oct 02, 2016
DoctorAlien:
When I say science, I mean the one that employs skeptical empiricism.

What if I refuse to answer your questions, but you still have to determine whether there is jealousy in me or not?
But at least you have realized that its possible to determine Jealousy in someone by psychological tests.

On you refusing to answer the question, that's a problem that the expert has to fix, else his test would be abortive. It doesn't mean that jealousy can't be determined in other individuals.

Just like a biochemist has a problem when a sample has been overheated resulting in protein denaturation hence test for protein may prove abortive. It doesn't mean that protein can't be determined in other samples.

I hope you get my point!
Christianity EtcRe: Is This The True Consequence Of Not Giving Offering In Church? by DeSepiero(m): 2:48pm On Oct 02, 2016
Sunglow:
They and their wealth never end well.
That's FALSE!!
Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 2:41pm On Oct 02, 2016
DoctorAlien:
When you want test for protein in a sample, do you ask the sample questions? What about dumb individuals?

Questioning is not experiment. How can you conduct an experiment on me to determine if I have jealouy in me?
Seems you're a science student or something...
Your understanding of science shouldn't be limited to physical or biological sciences.

Psychology is social science.

While a biochemist would experiment with a protein sample in a lab, you, as an intelligent being with a mind are the sample of a psychologist and he explores concepts such as perception , cognition , attention , emotion , intelligence ,motivation , brain functioning,
personality , behavior, and interpersonal relationships , and other areas under which jealousy fall.

I have schooled you on how psychologists experiment basically.
If you want to better understand how an expert psychologist would do his work, do consult one.
Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 2:10pm On Oct 02, 2016
DoctorAlien:
I tell you that jealousy exists in my heart. How can you conduct a scientific test to prove it?
A psychologist can detect it by examination and use of adequately drafted questionnaires. Maybe you should consult a psychologist.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Doesn't God Audibly Tell People Not To Do Certain Things? by DeSepiero(m): 2:05pm On Oct 02, 2016
Y'all are simply avoiding the OPs question.

Why is God not literally speaking to people audibly?

Neduboy17, are you implying that God doesn't speak to people "audibly" in a voice they can recognize as God's voice?
Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 1:58pm On Oct 02, 2016
DoctorAlien:
If I tell you that jealousy exists in my heart, how are you going to test it scientifically?
Jealousy can be tested psychologically anyway. i.e. with the "science of psychology".
Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 1:45pm On Oct 02, 2016
DoctorAlien:
(Very minute)Mutation is responsible for variation in individuals. However, significant mutation(the one evolutionists say can change a bacteria into a worm or whatever) is detrimental individuals.
Agreeable!
Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 12:45pm On Oct 02, 2016
DoctorAlien:
Single-species populations of bacteria can evolve over time? Evolve into what? Tell me.
You're digressing while avoiding my previous question.
I assume you have realized that you were wrong about 'mutation always being detrimental to the mutant'.
Let's be clear on the argument at hand before jumping into another.

gracias!
Christianity EtcRe: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 12:15pm On Oct 02, 2016
DoctorAlien:
Provide me with a single case of mutation that has given rise to a new species.
Are you not getting me wrong?
I want to know how you got to know that mutation is always 'detrimental' to the mutant as you implied in your previous post which I precisely quoted.
In the field of science I study, mutation is often 'beneficial' to the mutant (e.g Mutation resulting in antibiotic resistance in bacteria).

Although it is well established that single-species populations of bacteria can evolve over time (Studies abound supporting this).
Christianity EtcRe: James Morgan Explains His Journey From Being A Christian Pastor To Atheist by DeSepiero(m): 8:06am On Oct 02, 2016
hopefulLandlord:
What can the senate do about it? They're religious too and play their religious card to win elections

Gonna be hard changing a system they're taking advantage of already
That's the problem; but it would be a really gradual process.
I should first start with a new Bill (if there isn't any yet), forbidding the state from engaging in "certain" acts of religious intolerance and discrimination, followed by enforcement with penalties (especially in northern states smiley )
Then there'll be constitutional backing for advocates.

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