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honourhim:
Somebody fornicated and you said he is still a Christian? It means you dont even know what it means to be a Christian.

You didn't answer the question.
Are you saying a Christian can never sin? That's a big lie you know.
So when you guys pray for forgiveness of sins its not your sins you pray for?
Or is that you guys ceased to be Christians? You know you're contradicting yourself. Please define a Christian.

Then tell me you've never sinned as a Christian before and confirm to me how big a liar you are.

4everGod:
I suggest you read your comment again and see how you contradicted yourself on every line. First you say some theists can kill to further their cause.....correction no true theist can do that.

Then you say as a theist my beliefs restrict me and restrict my actions but you forget you first said I can kill to further my cause....so I guess I can be restricted in other areas but not restricted to kill when clearly my beliefs are against that.

Then you say a theist would not accept an atheists working for them...whete is your proof of that....all assumptions and fallacies


Then you say a theist would accept your help if their life depends on it....I suppose you would not do same if your life depended on it.

Then you said I am contradicting myself by suggesting if you would die and return to say what you saw when I am clearly against suicide....even when I said I was asking a simple question to see if you had value for life. ....are you not lying here?

You see sometimes you need to sit back and check your actions against your words and see if they match...you will be shocked at your findings. The difference between us is simple....I love everyone and strive fo everyones success without attaching beliefs or other prejudices to it but you have clearly shown by your response that you do so ask yourself are you being fair?

You tried painting a nice picture of an atheist with your response but only succeeded in doing the right opposite and you know why? Success knows no religion, no tribe, no skin colour but is guided by one rule and its the rule of you get what you give. However, enduring success must be accompanied by joy and fulfilment of which Joy is key and this Joy triggers love so we are not mechanical with all we do...purpose is inevitable!

Everyone I have assisted on and off nairaland I never first asked them for their religious leaning or lack of but first saw a human like me with a real need and compassion responded which was why I asked you if push comes to shove would you be able to lay down your life for another and you dodged and kept on dodging that question and why? Your life is selfishly valuable to you so I can infer that all you wrote about helping others succeed are all lies because when you do help them its because of what you would get in return and never for free.

Have a good morning.

4evergod you're seriously pathetic and biased. Anyone on this thread can read and understand my response to you previous post but you choose to bend it to suit your false argument.
I said 'some' religious folks slaughter others. That's fact!! You know of Islamic killings. They're theists ain't they? Say no again and confirm for sure that you're a LYING BIGOT.

Second, I never said you can kill I was referring to 'some religious folks' who are obviously theists. Ain't you LYING again?

You finally deny asking me to "do the atheist community a favour by taking my life to confirm the afterlife". Hopefullandlord and Ranchhoddas can attest to this.

YOU ARE A BIG LIAR 4EVERGOD. I am totally disappointed!!!

4everGod:
What would you interpret as death? Is it not when all vital signs are gone? No heartbeat, no electrical impulses to the brain? ...

Yet it's called 'Near Death Experience' NDE not 'Death Experience'
What would you interpret as Near Death?

4everGod:
So your purpose is succeeding and helping others succeed? Thats the same purpose 90% of the people on earth have so why do you think you are different from this 90% who are made up of theists majorly.

I'm different from them because I'm not religious about my purpose. By the way some religious folks (theists)slaughter others to achieve their own success. How do you describe that? They're better than me I guess

4everGod:
If you have ever read about my gain from theism you will see it says virutaly what u just said but in more detail. So why do you think as an atheist you re then better than me when my reasoning and beliefs does not affect my daily output and input in life?

Good! There's no one ultimate standard to judge who's better. However, your belief as a theist would affect your daily output because it determines 'to a large extent' how you pursue and achieve your purpose. You have a manual for life that restricts your actions, decisions and even thoughts. So how you achieve success depends on that.
Take for instance my sister had a job opening to apply for. Two days to submission of applications, we asks me to help her write her rewrite her CV and application while she goes for an 'important night vigil' as head of a group in church. Do you see how she pursues success?

4everGod:
If you want to help others succeed same way others want to help you succeed and some of these people who help you succeed are theists so when they offer you success do you reject it? Do you call them stupid for thinking that way and wanting to help you succeed?

I'd be silly to reject help from a theist or offer one, we're all humans irrespective of believe & unbelief. But a theist will most likely or certainly not offer me help on the basis on my unbelief. Do you think a pastor can offer an atheist a job in his firm when he's aware of his unbelief? He'd call him a demon We all make stupid decisions by the way, but most of the time due to what we're made to belief.

4everGod:
Surely if you offer them success they would take it and not tag you....but do you reject theirs and tag them still? You need to clesr your thoughts as an atheist because many of you do not even realise that your actions in life fight your comments yet you claim intelligence.

Of course they'll accept my help when they're in dire need of it. Who no like better thing? Why will I reject theirs too? Assuming you gift me something you think I'd reject?

My actions don't fight my comments young man.
Its rather you whose actions fight his comments by advising a brother to commit suicide just because of your Pascals wager! Meanwhile on another stage you're heard saying 'suicide is bad'

Pidggin:
Why can't athiest talk about their religion without mentioning others?

Young lady, stick to what you understand.

honourhim:
Its a shame to see atheists using other religions to defend their belief. It shows your belief is empty and lacks what it takes to defend you people. I dont need any other religion to defend my belief. You are not a muslim, therefore you dont stand any grounds to defend muslim belief. Leave muslims alone to come and defend their Quran. Since you cant be confident enough to defend your belief without using other religion then deal with the shame/

You're talking 'atheism' dude. He ain't defending Islam, he's asking you a good question. Since theism is all about believe and worship of a deity. What if the Muslim God and not your God is the true God. What if you meet their hell upon dying?
Because that uncertainty of yours most probably contributes to his unbelief. Get it right!

Dejideji1:
Because You quoted a context which is an incomplete information. And that was why you made a wrong assertion.

I still maintain that the fear of death and hell are completely different and not 5&6 or how do you explain an animal running away from death, are animals or other living things apart from humans aware of hell or heaven? Or how do you explain that of a little child?

Bro the fear of death is inherent/instinctive while that of hell is learned.


For your second question, i can also liken it to someone that has been abstaining and suddenly or mistakenly had unprotected sex with a high risk individual just once, does that mean he/she will not contract HIV or other STDs?
Because he has been faithful/abstaining for a long time and mistakenly did it won't spare him/her from facing the dire consequences.

Stop spewing trash here. I quoted a standalone statement of yours without adding or removing. If you're not comfortable with it then withdraw your statement.

The fear of death is natural that's agreed, but it intensifies when you're conscious of the fact that you could be heading to hell.

The HIV analogy even exposes you. Have you had unprotected sex before? Someone abstaining all the while and then decides to have unprotected sex will likely contract the HIV and therefore would be scared that he may have contracted the deadly disease.

Don't quote me again and talk childish nonsense
Get your thinking straight!!

honourhim:
A christian cannot go to hell. Except you have your own definition of christian.

Seriously?? Educate me, y'all believers are shying from my question.
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If a Christian dies in an act of sin without repentance and forgiveness. Where does he spend eternity according to your belief?[b]
Heaven or Hell??

You obviously know its Hell. So why would such Christian not be scared?
By the way correct yourself; I see how much of a fake Christian you are. Nonsense!!!

If it were Mountain of Fire Church, it would be totally understandable .
Its quite unfortunate

hopefulLandlord:
he doesn't mean anything reasonable, he just wants you to talk more and more so that he'll then use a weakness in your point to dismiss your "purpose"

Ridiculous!
He probably thinks atheism equals vanity.

4everGod:
Desepiero what is the purpose of thr life of an atheist such as you are. Pray tell.

Ranchhodas you would learn a lot from his response. So pay close attention.

What do you mean by this?

hopefulLandlord:
of course, and as soon as its explained..........

..as soon as its explained scientifically beyond doubt, and its well understood it ceases to be refered to as supernatural.

4everGod:
What is the purpose of your life as an atheist.

Since you're bent on this, in one short sentence, for sake of brevity, "its in succeeding and helping others succeed".
Have more to say?

Ranchhoddas:
An example that comes to mind is the story of Anita Moorjani. Stage IV Hodgkins Lymphoma healed after an afterlife experience. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Moorjani

That's amazing.
Of course its supernatural and extraordinary, simply because it can't be explained.

4everGod:
The Atheist anthem is that life is meaningless so we live to die and become manure so just life and enjoy yourself as you please.

So why do you love your life and why is life meaningful to an atheist like you?

Which atheist anthem?
Hope you see how much of a closed mind you have. You just have one silly belief and dogmatically stick to it. Maybe you should have asked me first if I think my life has a purpose.

4everGod:
I already told you i would gladly lay down my life if push comes to shove. You say you love your life. Why and how can you love something that lacks purpose. You say your life is meaningless yet you love it? How so? Pray educate us.

Lies! Where did you mention laying down your life before?
I love my life and who the hell told you my life lacks purpose?
Why would you lie against and accuse me of calling my life meaningless?
What kind of a man of god are you? I see you preach lies!

4everGod:
We know why we are here. We have an assignment and people like you are our assignment while you believe that your only purpose here is to live and die and become manure so you tell me who has purpose and who doesnt and who has a right to stay longer and who can exit anytime they please due to lack of purpose. So you tell me why you are here.

If you have no purpose besides living and dying so why can you not exit at will and just delete from all the pain and agony the earth has to offer to you.

So will you drop it all and exit via suicide or laying down your life for another? Yes or no

I have responded to this in my later post. So respond to it.

4evergod you haven't answered my last question ni o

Ranchhoddas:
The many stories; coupled with the 'supernatural' events that appear to accompany some of them.

The many stories doesn't make it true sha.
What supernatural events do you mean please?

hopefulLandlord:
I tire o!

Hypocrisy!!
Accuses me of being a gambler. Yet he's a bigger one
Claims to advocate against suicide. Yet he's suggesting it.

hopefulLandlord:
lol

the same dejideji that likes popping up Pascal's wager

Seriously! Bunch of hypocrites.
The other big head is busy calling me gambler
Smh

Ranchhoddas:
A slim possibility if we are to tell ourselves the truth. Even the scientific appears to longer be enough for inquiries of this nature.

How do you know that the possibility these afterlife stories being false is a slim one?

4everGod:
Answer my question. Can you take your own life and quit the earth? Yes or no

No bro, I love my life. Its my only shot.

Since you're sure of another life oya answer me;
can you end this one through suicide for the 2nd one?
If no you're a FAT coward

Dejideji1:
You are not serious, and why did you crop out the part containing the explanation i gave the op?
This is fraudulent of you, and completely out of phase.
The fear of death and hell are two different things entirely. Don't mix it up, the former is natural and instinctive. And has nothing to do with Christianity and Religion as a whole.

For the issue of hell, it's only sinners/ defaulters that see it as a threat since their guilty conscience is disturbing them.
It's not a threat to born again Christians and those doing the right thing.

it's more like an advice from a father/someone that cares about you. For example it's like telling you not to be promiscuous so that you don't contract HIV or telling you not to smoke/take alcohol so that you don't come down with lung cancer and kidney problems respectively.
How do you see those statements? Does it look like a threat to you or like an advice from someone that cares?

See you have to realize the fact that there is a consequence for every action that we take and there is a price to pay for anything you want to get.

You want to make heaven and you are not ready to pay the price, how is that possible? Remember nothing good comes easy.

Save yourself all those stories. Why are you worried about what I cropped off. I still quoted your statement; didnt I?.
Fear of death and hell are 5 & 6. You can't go to your hell until you die.
So according to your belief, if a real born again Christian just sin for once, and die in the act right before he have a chance to repent and plead for forgiveness. Where does he go to heaven or hell?

[quote author=4everGod post=49420348][/quote]You clearly believe that this earth is not your home and is corrupt. You should rather be in a haste to go home (heaven) and leave the earth for us that are not sure of heaven to enjoy. What shall it profit you to gain the world remember.

By the way, I thought you are a Pastor that preaches against suicide?

4everGod:
Clearly Desepiero is a gambling man and thinks himself lucky. How about you Rancho are u a gambling man?

When a man is given 32850 days of his life to make informed decisions he still chooses to gamble. He must feel extremely lucky

Its pitiful how you make comments a times.
Gamble and think myself lucky how? I'm skeptical and uncertain if there's an afterlife. Is that what you call gamble or luck?
I didn't expect this childishness from you o.

4everGod:
So all you are doing can be put under one word! Gamble! You are gambling that it may be wrong and you wish above all things that it should be ...

All I am doing how?
What do you think I am actually doing? because I just see it as uncertainty in possible outcome.
I don't care about someone's hallucinations about where he thinks others will be when they die.

4everGod:
I already mentioned this on another thread a few days ago so sorry you are in the dark about yours.

Sorry, Such information is not necessary for me

Ranchhoddas:
A fallacious move is not necessarily a false one. The people or some people may just turn out to be right. Or have you ruled out this possibility?

I agree with you on that.
They may also turn out to be wrong
But the possibility that they're all lies also abound.

4everGod:
Besides I already know how I would die but not when and I already left instructions with my wife on that.

I have expo...but you clearly do not.

4everGod:
... A true believer does not fear hell but is afraid of it for the sake of the unbeliever as hell is reserved for unbelievers and not believers.

LIES!!
Tell me you never had the fear of hell and I'd know how big a liar you are.
By the way, answer me on this ; a true believer that dies in an act of sin goes where?
Heaven or hell.

4everGod:
Why don't you do the atheist community a favour by being brave enough to volunteer yourself on a fact finding mission. ...Die and then return to disclose what you experienced. Can you try it out?

Sorry, I'm not on a fact finding mission bro. A bird at hand is better than two in the bush. I believe in life not afterlife.
I'd rather recommend that to you since you seem to be absolutely sure of heaven and hell. By the way you'd be in heavenly bliss.