Brother Vooks, take it easy please. Your responses are a bit harsh. I am on your side on the issue of extermination of Nephilims after the flood.

Personally I believe the only humans that existed after the flood were Noah and his family (including the animals in the ark). Every other living and animate being was wiped off by the flood.

How could the Nephilims have escaped the flood? Bro Charles, I don't get u on that. I don't understand but I am willing to learn and admit if I am truly convinced by an authentic explanation. For now, my stance is that nobody else survived the flood apart from Noah, his family and the animals in the ark.

For me o, I am here to learn, get edified and blessed. Let's be more tolerant of each other (I don't mean compromising our beliefs). Let us correct each other in love. Bro Charles, u r doing a great job. I appreciate you.

Still following this wonderful and inspiring thread. I am more than a conqueror. God bless you more and more Bro Charles. I guess u may not know how much this thread has tremendously been a blessing. Analice, vooks, oyeludef, ccolins, tyjosh et al , more grace upon you all. I am following.

Satan is a liar and so is his mother in law... Winks... God bless you brethren.

This thread is just amazingly wonderful, inspiring, powerful and edifying... Men and brethren, let's keep on. The Lord is our strength. Bro Charles, God bless you once again.

I am glad for such a wonderful thread as this... Glory!

ccollins:
I will share a short testimony with you guys tomorrow.. sin is what kills, may God's grace be made perfect in our weaknesses in Jesus Name, Amen

Looking forward to ur testimony bro... God bless you

@Analice : Glory to God for that testimony you shared. The devil has failed woefully in your life and he will continue to fail.

The Lord is ur strength Sister... Your victory is ever sacrosanct. Hallelujah!

Nice one...

muafrika:
It actually what I meant

Okay sir... Thanks

@muafrika : Thanks brother. You said a blinding (or deafening) effect to God's voice could be caused by the devil and his demons. Could that also be responsible for insensitivity and 'dullness of hearing' on our part?

lastchild:
do you know that its best when following God out of the love you have for him not because you are scared of a returning of a demon

For example,you know that you can commit any sin if you want but you choose not to because you love God,that is what worshiping God is not avoiding sin because of a demon

Let me ask you a question,you are a born again and you were told that anyday you commit any sin is the day you'll die,do you know you have entered into bondage even though you don't plan committing the sin

Total Deliverance will be better if after deliverance you now have the power to commit any type of sin but choose not to

Of course our basis for serving God should primarily be out of love for God and not fear of demons . Love is powerful and it is awesome when it is the basis of our reverence and service to God. I agree with you on that. I have not said anything to contradict that..

You said total deliverance is choosing not to commit sin though u have the power (or let me say opportunity) to do so. This is exactly what the grace of God empowers us to do. Its not that the opportunity to sin will not come after deliverance but as one who is operating based on God's Word and grace, you wouldn't give in. Your refusal to give in isn't because of lack of opportunity but because you are yielded to God. Sir, there are some that can't overcome sin even though they DETERMINE to do so. The reason is because they are not yet born again and the default sin nature is very much alive in them.

God has laws. You talked about leaving in bondage because it was said one would die if he commits sin. That isn't bondage dear brother. God's commandment isn't meant to put us in bondage but to give us knowledge of his will and the consequences of disobedience. Let me ask you a question sir : What happens when a man goes to a ten storey building and decides to jump off headlong? Death right? Okay... If you now tell the person (or give him a commandment so to say) not to jump, does that put him in bondage? If he disobeys, he does that to his peril (destruction) God's law isn't meant to put us in bondage or threaten us sir. It is meant to guide us into his perfect will.

I am not trying to say Christians (genuine ones o) are infallible. There are times when we fall due to one reason or the other but our new nature (the God nature) won't allow us remain in that state hence the reason why we repent and continue our relationship with God.

Sir, what can you say of Joseph who had the power (opportunity) to commit adultery with his master's wife but refused? That is total deliverance. He was free from himself. Get my point sir. Total deliverance which is only realizable in Christ connotes being loosed from our very own selves (the inherited sinful / adamic nature) that pushes us against God.

One who isn't born again cannot love God appropriately. At best, he would confess his love and probably back it up with some piety but that isn't it. When the opportunity to sin comes, such person falls flat because the grace and power to sustain his acclaimed love for God is lacking in his life. This grace and power comes when we get born again.

I agree with the early part of your post but I think you got it twisted at the end. God bless you sir

@ oyeludef : Thanks for that response of yours. I appreciate it.

Hearing God is a spiritual reality to which all his children are entitled by grace. May the Lord sharpen our sensitivity so we can walk in accuracy and precision as touching this issue. Amen

@Anas09 : You were aggressive with the devil and chased him away. Lol @ 'e no dey fear face' The devil is a tyrant who gallivants about seeking who to oppress. A stiff and rugged opposition like the one you displayed is the antidote to his intimidation.

We are asked to resist the devil and he would flee. The resistance we have to display sometimes is the rugged one. It is not the 'bread and butter' type of resistance... Lol... Thanks for sharing that experience. God bless you real good.

lastchild:
I've toured around and see that there's no such thing as total deliverance,one can be delivered but not total,when the assurance of your total deliverance is under condition of a particular lifestyle then that's not a total deliverance,totality means you are free to do what you like,talk what you like,go where you like and do what you like

In usa someone who committed a crime can be given 5 years parole,you see him walking up and down as if he's free but he's not,his life,where he goes,what he does,who he associates with is under condition,now is that what you call freedom? Nah,that's not

Anything they chase away yachikka,I entered another bondage of living my life under condition,they give me list of things I shouldn't do,is that what you call freedom

I don't think anyone in this thread has gone as far as I've gone in godly way to achieve total and I tell you again,its an illusion

Whoever that is expecting a total deliverance is sitting on a long thing

Sir, do you know what freedom truly means? Going through your post, I presume ur definition of freedom connotes liberty to do 'whatever'... No. If that is the case, that kind of freedom will lead to death. We can't always obey our desires and inclinations (I mean fleshly desires) due to the fact that they could lead us astray.

Take for instance sir, your mind tells you to jump off from a three storey building. Will you do that in the name of freedom? If your answer is No, then it means you have subjected yourself to another law-permit me to say the 'law of reasoning'

As believers, freedom implies liberty from anything that contradicts God and his purpose for your life. These ranges from our default sin nature, the devil and his cohorts... I mean anything that could serve as an encumbrance on our path to maximizing our lives and destiny.

The Bible in Romans 8:1 says the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me FREE from the law of sin and death. Can you see that sir? Now that is TRUE FREEDOM.

There is a guiding principle that guarantees life for every man on earth. It is in yielding ourselves to God's Word. Sadly, a lot of folks rejects this thinking its a yoke. Little did they know that this rejection is actually what leads them to bondage. Dear brother, please give up whatever the Lord is asking you to surrender and embrace true freedom. It is practical. I am a living testimony to that

God bless you sir.

lastchild:
yea,I saw the thread,I red a bit but got discouraged because I've gone far to know there's no such thing as total deliverance,so the thread is not going to do much for me since what they say here is how to be free from demonic oppressions and possessions which won't happen

There is total deliverance sir. No case is impossible with God as long as the person in question is willing to have it God's way.

Don't be discouraged please. The death and resurrection of Christ has brought redemption to mankind. Embedded in this redemption is deliverance which isn't meant to be partial but absolute and total. God bless you sir.

@Anas09 : Thanks. That book u mentioned is a really good one. I have it.

How about asking to know God's mind about a particular issue e. g his will in marriage and other crucial issues and one can't just hear anything but there are other issues I may not even bother to ask and I get revelations about such. It could be about another person's life.

Are there times the Lord keeps silent when we seek to know his will? If yes, what could be responsible though he speaks to us on other issues?

I acknowledge your responses oyeludef, muafrika and ccolins. Thanks so much.

nnamdiosu:



you aren't derailing the thread bro. we are all here to learn.
the first challenge Christians have esp when they have given their lives to christ is HOW DO I DIFFERENTATE THE VOICE OF GOD FROM MY OWN VOICE? now i've had the same issue so i'll try to explain based on MY OWN EXPERIENCES AND LITTLE KNOWLEDGE.
first

John 10:14
"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me--

the voice of God is the word of God
the more you hear or read the word of God, the more you know and recognize God's word

the bible is full of wonderful secrets.

knowing the voice of God is in two forms.
1. now giving your life to christ is like starting a new relationship with God. Knowing his voice, his does and don't. its a personal thing. now if i call you for the first thing on your mobile phone it would be difficult for me, BUT THE MORE YOU HEAR MY VOICE ON THE PHONE, IT REGISTERS IN YOU. SO LIKEWISE IS THE VOICE OF GOD. the more you become a sheep, the more you just know it's God's word. God word always has the following charactertics

a. HE NEVER SHOUTS, CONDEMNS YOU OR ANY ONE.
B. HE SPEAKS LOVINGLY AND GENTLY
C. HE WILL NEVER TELL YOU TO DO ANYTHING OUTSIDE HIS WORD
D. JUST BY CONTEMPLATING ON DOING HOS VOICE OR DOING IT BRINGS YOU PEACE IN YOUR MIND
E. HE NEVER FORCES YOU TO DO WHAT HE SAYS
F. MANY TIMES YOU FEEL A STRONG KNOWING OR CONVICTION IN YOUR MIND THAT IT IS GOD


there are times God speaks to you and instantly you know its him. but there are times he speaks and you're like IS THIS HIM? listen just ask God to teach you how to know hos voice. the above examples and list i gave are based ON MY LITTLE EXPERIENCE WITH HIM. yours might be similar or different. but you still need to ask the holy spirit to teach you. he's the teacher.


NB: WHEN I FIRST GAVE MY LIFE TO CHRIST I WAS HEARING AUDIBLE VOICES SPEAK TO ME. I WAS SO HAPPY AND PROUD THAT AS YOUNG AS I AM IN CHRST GOD TALKS TO ME AUDIBLY. BUT I NEVER KNEW IT WAS A DEMON TALKING TO ME. THE VOICE WAS HARSH, HIDING HATRED. BUT IT STILL WAS TRYING TO SOUND CARING. BUT GOD EXPOSED IT AND I REBUKED. THATS WHEN I HUMBLY SAID....LORD TEACH ME..God bless you bro. let the others give their own knowledge. then take it all up to the holy spirit. it may take time but its worth the wait. Trust me

Thanks so much brother. I once read a book written by Kenneth Hagin. He also said the first audible voice (so to say) he heard was that of the devil. The voice told him he was going to die. He mistook it for the voice of God until very much later when he heard God as he opened the scriptures. This is just to buttress what you shared above. God's audible voice is real. We only need to check if the voice aligns with the Scriptures as God's voice and his Word doesn't contradict. Thanks once again.

I desire we can also share experiences on Spiritual guidance (I mean how we have been led by the Holy Spirit in time past).

How can we differentiate our thoughts from that which is laid upon our hearts by the Spirit? I can't really say I have heard d audible voice of God but I have been guided through his inner witness and other means of guidance. Sincerely, I have missed it sometimes too. I thought I heard God only to discover it was my own voice / thought etc.

How can I clearly discern his voice from my own thoughts since He lays thoughts on my heart too and I later discover its him. I have had good results too... I mean so precise and accurate leadings which were of God but sometimes I miss it too.

I don't mean to derail the thread but want to learn. Bro Charles, Anas09, ccolins, nnamdiosu et al... Thanks

@ Anas09 : Amen

nnamdiosu, oyeludef, ccolins ... You guys are just wonderful. I appreciate u for ur contributions. More grace o.

Let us all continue to seek to know God more. There are greater heights we can attain in the things of the Spirit. Christianity is practical and can be practically experienced.

Let us trust the Holy Spirit to reveal more of God to us as we yield to him though study of God's word, prayers and prompt obedience.

Charly, Anas09, muafrika, vooks, busybody and everyone that has contributed positively to this great thread ... I greet you all. This is one of the best thread I have come across on Nairaland.

God bless you real good Bro Charles. I appreciate you too Anas09 for the virtue of humility in u. I respect the way u handle and respond to issues. I have been following this thread for close to two days. I have seen oppositions from the Samballats and Tobiahs too. Please let us always learn just to ignore them. Our response to their post further propels them to distract us. Let them say whatever.... They will eventuality get tired when we refuse to quote them or respond and thus we can maintain our focus and balance on the thread.

The Spirit realm is real... I don't have much experience to share with us. I had about two during my undergraduate days. It was a trance I believe. I was on my bed upstairs and later found myself at the tap where we fetch water. I saw two demons there and then 'woke up'. It wasn't as if I was sleeping. I just came back to myself on the bed... Well... We don't glory in experiences but in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. This knowledge comes by revelation. Experiences are just means to an end. The ultimate end of our living and the experiences is the establishment and advancement of God's Kingdom on earth.

I respect you all... I am blessed to go through this thread. I appreciate you Bro Charles.

Why the incessant posting of nud.e and se. xually explicit pictures on the thread. This is wrong! The O. P created a thread only for some people to start putting up some nasty images. I want to believe this isn't d right place for such... I plead for a change.

Eeja Nla01: K2039 has been impressive in the thread so far ,
He's been handling the mieldfield of this thread like Arterta and distributing passes(advises) like Xavi.

@topic Even God wants us to love our neighbours like ourselves and not MORE THAN OURSELVES,y kill myself over some1 that dosent love me in return.

Yes o...k2039 has really been impressive...I agree with most of his opinions on this issue.

k2039...I dey feel u jare...u r on point.

There are speculations of health hazard (probably due to radiation and stuffs like that) if one is living close to a telecommunication mast. Please, i need confirmation about this because one is about to be erected at the back of my rented apartment(it's quite close to my flat).If it is true, then i have to start making plans to evacuate.Thanks

@Ajibam: God bless you brother.We don't need to argue with those whose views contradict ours.The best thing is to pray for them.I appreciate your maturity.

This is good news...May God keep,strengthen and uphold us all to the end.

There is nothing wrong with using digital bible.The bible was initially on scrolls before it was eventually printed on paper.If not for the technology of printing,just imagine how inconvenient it will be for us to go about with scrolls to church,office,etc.Now technology has further advanced from the prints to digital which makes it much easier to access the contents of the scriptures.You can have a lot of bible versions on your phone,computer and other electronic gadgets.Isn't this wonderful? The primary issue is reading, meditating and doing the Word.The means of doing that,be it via scrolls,printed paper(we can even decide to write out the whole bible in a notebook if we like )or digital(phones,iPad,desktop,laptop etc) does not matter.The major and primary issue is this'BE THE DOER OF THE WORD'

You are a Christian when you live like Christ.While reading d bible and praying are essentials of the christian life,we are required to DO the words of Christ.Remember the pharisees were good readers of the law and also prayer experts as it were but they failed to DO the Word and as a result could not enter the kingdom.

newmannewman: I was wondering whether you were a Muslim. That's a parable!

Wonder no longer brother...I am a Christian.

saint22: U do not compare d actions of JESUS to dat of men.He came 4 a purpose which is to die 4 mankind.when we talk about d bible,some people only believe d new testament & writes off d old testament which is wrong.pls read psalm:35 & 109.

Thanks saint22.I beg to disagree with u sir.Jesus is our role model.(Heb.12;2)and so we ought to emulate his lifestyle.Another example is Stephen when he was being stoned to death.Did he pray against them?Rather,he prayed FOR them.God is not interested in the death of our enemies but their repentance and salvation.Have u done everything possible in your own capacity to ensure their salvation via prayers,intercession,preaching etc before resolving to finally praying against them? I am not in any way judging ur school of thought on this issue but i believe i can still learn from you.

jaydude: Well as for me, my opinion is that the enemies u won't kill if they don't repent wuld just kill you!

God says :
1) Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live..Exodus 22:18 (old testament)
If all the witches in our families that have refused 2 repent are dead many of us for don rich pass dangote wit d brains we have!

2) Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein:
and he that rolleth a stone, it will return
upon him... Proverbs 26:27 (old testament)
...u can go ahead and pray for ur enemies that they don't fall into d pit they have dug, u decide to fall inside d pit for them to bury you okay!

3) Mine eye also shall see my desire on
mine enemies, and mine ears shall hear
my desire of the wicked that rise up
against me Psalm 92:11 (old testament)

4) But those mine enemies, which would
not that I should reign over them, bring
hither, and slay them before me...Luke 19:27 (new testament)

By d way when God said u shuld pray for ur enemies, did He give u a prayer point? wisdom is profitable to direct (Ecclesiastes 10:10b)
...dnt be like Abel whose blood cried to God for vengeance against his brother Cain when he was already in d grave, if uve ever lost a loved one at a young age and mysteriously too, u wuld know what it means to pray against enemies if they have REFUSED to repent

#My 2 cents#

Thanks Jaydude but have u considered 1Peter1:13 which says 'and who is he that will harm you if ye be followers of that which is good' I personally believe that if all we do is follow and serve God genuinely we don't have to bother about our 'enemies' as it were because God will take care of them.They can't hurt us without the consent of God and i trust that God will never permit them to hurt us.The only way they can gain access to us is when we have defiled ourselves with sin and created a loophole for them to reach us.