Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.

What if HE (SWT), did? They were instructed, to believe in Allaah (SWT), the Last Day, to forbid that which Allaah (SWT), has forbidden, by HIS (SWT), messenger, and to acknowledge the religion of truth. And you continue to call Prophet Jesus PBUH, the son of Allaah (SWT), even though you have been warned of your error. You people must love the Fire!

- DevotedOne

You claim Allah is God Almighty, yet he will curse the very same people he created because they hold a different religious view-point? So, if you had a son, he grew up and when he was in college, you instructed him to read and become and doctor but instead he choose to be a lawyer - you would curse him?

I find it hard to digest that the Allah can't love the very same people he "created". How am I suppose to relate with Him?

In between, you still haven't told me how many days Allah created the world

- Alexis


You all seen to have forgotten what you are here for. You didn't come to this world to play games. Awaken, you all!




002.036 فَأَزَلَّهُمَا الشَّيْطَانُ عَنْهَا فَأَخْرَجَهُمَا مِمَّا كَانَا فِيهِ وَقُلْنَا اهْبِطُوا بَعْضُكُمْ لِبَعْضٍ عَدُوٌّ وَلَكُمْ فِي الأرْضِ مُسْتَقَرٌّ وَمَتَاعٌ إِلَى حِينٍ
002.036 Then did Satan make them slip from the (garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. We said: "Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time."

002.037 فَتَلَقَّى آدَمُ مِنْ رَبِّهِ كَلِمَاتٍ فَتَابَ عَلَيْهِ إِنَّهُ هُوَ التَّوَّابُ الرَّحِيمُ
002.037 Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

002.038 قُلْنَا اهْبِطُوا مِنْهَا جَمِيعًا فَإِمَّا يَأْتِيَنَّكُمْ مِنِّي هُدًى فَمَنْ تَبِعَ هُدَايَ فَلا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ
002.038 We said: "Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. Al-Qur'an, 002.036-038 (Al-Baqara [The Cow])


007.024 قَالَ اهْبِطُوا بَعْضُكُمْ لِبَعْضٍ عَدُوٌّ وَلَكُمْ فِي الأرْضِ مُسْتَقَرٌّ وَمَتَاعٌ إِلَى حِينٍ
007.024 (Allah) said: "Get ye down. With enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time." Al-Qur'an, 007.024 (Al-Araf [The Heights])


020.123 قَالَ اهْبِطَا مِنْهَا جَمِيعًا بَعْضُكُمْ لِبَعْضٍ عَدُوٌّ فَإِمَّا يَأْتِيَنَّكُمْ مِنِّي هُدًى فَمَنِ اتَّبَعَ هُدَايَ فَلا يَضِلُّ وَلا يَشْقَى
020.123 He said: "Get ye down, both of you,- all together, from the Garden, with enmity one to another: but if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from Me, whosoever follows My Guidance, will not lose his way, nor fall into misery. Al-Qur'an, 020.123 (Ta-Ha [Mystic letters Ta-Ha])

Now, what can be clearer than that?


Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.


Salaam Alexis.

You and I don't agree who is the creator and who isn't. For example, It has been proven that Allah and God of the Bible are not the same. Please correct me if I am wrong - how did Mohammed receive the words of the Quran? -- Alexis

I can understand why, considering some of the unbefitting utterances found in the Old Testament Bible, will not be found in Al-Qur'an. What I cannot understand is how someone could believe God spoke something so beneath HIS (SWT), Exalted, Holy status.-- DevotedOne

Muhammad PBUH, received The Holy Qur'an from Allaah (SWT), through the Arch Angel Jibril/Gabriel; The Spirit of Truth.-- DevotedOne

You lost me here, what are you talking about? -- Alexis

People like you (DevotedOne) don't want to believe that Mohammeds "visions" could have been obtained from other sources. They do not want to believe that quite a number of people who surrounded him were acquainted with the stories in the Bible. History is not on your side mate. I WILL SAVE MORE FOR MY NEXT POST

Allaah (SWT), has a challenge, for people like you. Write ten suras like it.

011.013 أَمْ يَقُولُونَ افْتَرَاهُ قُلْ فَأْتُوا بِعَشْرِ سُوَرٍ مِثْلِهِ مُفْتَرَيَاتٍ وَادْعُوا مَنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ صَادِقِينَ
011.013 Or they may say, "He forged it," Say, "Bring ye then ten suras forged, like unto it, and call (to your aid) whomsoever ye can, other than Allah!- If ye speak the truth! Al-Qur'an, 011.013 (Hud [Hud])

You are right, the followers of Christ weren't called Christians when Jesus was alive. Can you please tell me in the Bible were PAUL NAMED the followers of Christ Christians.

I don't know who it was exactly, but Saul/Paul, was present it seems to me: Acts 11:25-26. Is he a prophet that you follow him?

Again, Trinity isn't a word that can be found in the Bible. I don't expect you to believe it. However, it's sufficient that you understand it

If it is not in your Bible, why do you follow something obviously fashioned from your own desire? And, I didn't say that I understood trinity. In fact I find it quite confusing. Why do you need three gods?

Again, I don't expect you to believe it - the FACT that you can relate the Holy Trinity to an atom or vice-versa is sufficient to me. I had to give you a trivial example to comprehend of basis of the Christian faith.

Your relating an atom to three gods, is proof of the materialistic nature, of the gods that you've fashioned in your brain consciousness.

There is a big difference between wars and violence. Check your dictionary.

You mentioned it; you should know.

Let me make it simple for you:

1. If we serve the same God - you would believe Jesus is the son of God
2. Allah said Jesus didn't die and wasn't raised from the dead. God of the Bible said Jesus did
3. Allah says Jesus created a living bird from clay. God of the bible never said anything like that

These are just trivial and simple examples. How can the same God, give two different accounts to the same story?

Who ever you are getting your stories/examples, from is not the One True God, Allaah (SWT). Obviously, someone is lying to you.

The question again is this - Did he curse the Jews and Christians from the Surah above?

What if HE (SWT), did? They were instructed, to believe in Allaah (SWT), the Last Day, to forbid that which Allaah (SWT), has forbidden, by HIS (SWT), messenger, and to acknowledge the religion of truth. And you continue to call Prophet Jesus PBUH, the son of Allaah (SWT), even though you have been warned of your error. You people must love the Fire!




Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.




Salaam alexis.

You and I don't agree who is the creator and who isn't. For example, It has been proven that Allah and God of the Bible are not the same. Please correct me if I am wrong - how did Mohammed receive the words of the Quran?

I can understand why, considering some of the unbefitting utterances found in the Old Testament Bible, will not be found in Al-Qur'an. What I cannot understand is how someone could believe God spoke something so beneath HIS (SWT), Exalted status.

Muhammad PBUH, received The Holy Qur'an from Allaah (SWT), through the Arch Angel Jibril/Gabriel; The Spirit of Truth.

I can prove Jesus came before Muhammed - you can't deny that fact. The concept is simple. For example, there were no Christians or anyone called a Christian before Jesus was born. There were Jews and Judaism but not Christians. There were no followers of Christ. So, how can all the prophets like Abraham, David, Elijah be Muslims when they have never heard of Allah. Allah came on the scene when Mohammed came of the scene. I don't think you can argue that. For example, I can't claim Abraham was a Christian because he never heard of Jesus but parts of the Jewish laws and Christian laws are common.

Again, your argument probably should be regarding language. The key word, is submission or, surrender: Muslim, Salaam, Shalom, etc.. Think about that. God, is still God. As I have mentioned some people claim that God is nameless. What of, "I AM THAT I AM."
As an aside; there was no 'Christian' when Jesus PBUH, was on the earth! Paul, named you all Christians.

I am not talking about the gender of God. I am talking about His attributes, His character, His teachings, His laws. How can the God of the Bible and Allah be the same if they both teach different things? For example, The God in the Bible confirmed Jesus is His Son. Allah denies that.

Because the original message was the same as the present message in the Holy Qur'an. Its just that plain. Nothing difficult. This thing that Paul concocted (trinity), is repugnant. Who would not reject it?

There is a difference between UNDERSTANDING and BELIEVING. You have proven my point. I don't expect you to BELIEVE it but I expect that understanding the concept of the Holy Trinity is as simple as understanding the molecular structure on an Atom

I am really surprised that Christians will accept something so underhanded, as if it was truth. I must wonder about how, this stealthily formulated doctrine, could have beguiled, so many, for so long a period of time.

The entire Bible is not only about salvation. Just the same way the entire Quran is not only about violence.

You're saying that the Bible is not about deliverance from the power and effects of sin. I've noticed in the verses that I 'd posted previously, that there is the inclination towards 'fooling around'. Is that what you are intimating/hinting at?
Concerning violence; war is an act of vigorous conflict, is it not?

I asked what makes them different mate. How could Jesus submit to Allah when Allah was non existent when Jesus was alive. What proof do you have outside the Quran that Jesus submitted to Allah. Remember, Jesus was a Jew, His life and teachings were recorded in the Bible before the advent of Islam. So, give me some historical facts and evidence that He submitted to Allah outside of the Quran.

You will have to stop with the innuendo's, towards your Lord God, otherwise I am not permitted to continue with this conversation.

004.140 وَقَدْ نَزَّلَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِي الْكِتَابِ أَنْ إِذَا سَمِعْتُمْ آيَاتِ اللَّهِ يُكْفَرُ بِهَا وَيُسْتَهْزَأُ بِهَا فَلا تَقْعُدُوا مَعَهُمْ حَتَّى يَخُوضُوا فِي حَدِيثٍ غَيْرِهِ إِنَّكُمْ إِذًا مِثْلُهُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ جَامِعُ الْمُنَافِقِينَ وَالْكَافِرِينَ فِي جَهَنَّمَ جَمِيعًا
004.140 Already has He sent you Word in the Book, that when ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme: if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith - all in Hell:- Al-Qur'an, 004.140 (An-Nisa [Women])

You must tell me what makes them different, mate. I only see similarities in them. They both -- Jesus and Muhammad PBUT, -- prayed to the same God, bowing and prostrating, etcetera. Whom do you believe Jesus PBUH, was praying to if not Allaah (SWT), the Only God. Again, you are only playing with words. I've not detected any sincere effort on your part to grasp the enlightening understanding, of the Infinite Immortal God. You portray God, as a man needing food, shelter, sleep, protection from enemies, and the requirement to use the toilet. That is not befitting of Allaah (SWT), Most Gracious, Ever Merciful, The Eternal, The Righteous, The Owner Of Sovereignty, The Lord Of Majesty And Bounty, The Self-Sufficient, The Supreme, The Self-Subsisting In Whom All Subsist.

Another blunder. Allah should be consistent when describing biblical events, wouldn't you think? He is suppose to be all knowing - won't you think He should have made it clear as to what He meant? The Bible made it clear when it described Moses, Aaron and other characters of that generation. Your attempt at rescuing the Quran is at best laughable smiley. Here is another one. HOW MANY DAYS DID Allah TAKE TO CREATE THE EARTH IN THE QURAN

1. Surah 41:9 Says two days
2. Surah 41:10 says four days
3. Surah 32:4 says six days
4. Surah 7:54, 103 says six days
5. Surah 10:3 says six days

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? What did you find to be 'not clear'? Allaah (SWT), wants HIS (SWT), servants to 'think'.
HE (SWT), made the earth in two days, and completed the earth's appropriations - mountains, blessings, sustenance, etc. in four days.
Surely you can gather that together. What is more, these 'day's' need not be earth day's.

070.004 تَعْرُجُ الْمَلائِكَةُ وَالرُّوحُ إِلَيْهِ فِي يَوْمٍ كَانَ مِقْدَارُهُ خَمْسِينَ أَلْفَ سَنَةٍ
070.004 The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years: Al-Qur'an, 070.004 (Al-Maarij [The Ascending Stairways])

I wouldn't be surprised if you try to add 4 and 2 to say 4,2 and 6 are the same. Of course, the Quran DOES NOT SAY THAT. Can you tell me how many days it took Allah to create the world?

How can I follow Allah when he doesn't like Jews and Christians?

I am certain the verse('s) do not refer to believers, those in submission to Allaah (SWT).


Surah 9:29-30: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Allah curses Jews & Christians and you want me to follow Him?

You must have a reading comprehension problem, mate.





Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.



So, what about sunnis who accept Ahl-ul-bayt, do we accept them? If not why not.? [Although I've heard that they accept the three Imams Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, and accept Muawiyah, Yaziid] Are the Muslims uniting?

There are a number of Sunni scholars in the Muslim world shaping a new discourse on the role and history of the Household of the Prophet (ahl al-bayt), Hadith Criticism, and rationalist legal theory. They are staunchly pro-Alid in their views on history, very critical of Wahhabism and its use of Hadith, and well-versed in dialectical theology. These Muslim leaders complicate any attempts to characterize the Sunni tradition as uniform in its views on history and theology. Their contributions to the Sunni intellectual tradition deserve academic study. Scholars representative of this trend include:

http://scholar.princeton.edu/nhussen/links/term/360 pro-ahlulbayt Sunnis




Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.




Salaam alexis.

I rather we chat and talk about it than reading a text without the author engaging me

The concept of the God-Head in Christainity (Or Trinity) as most people call it is a source of confusion to all Muslims. And the reason is simple - the author of the Quran or the revelations received by Mohammed from "Gabriel" DENIED THE DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD..

That's blasphemy. Who should know best, man, or his Creator?

My question to you is this - The Bible was written 600 years before the advent of Islam. In those 600 years - NO ONE disputed the fact of the deity of Jesus. Jesus was crucified, died on a cross, was buried, rose up from the dead. Ate and stayed with his disciples for many days (to prove He wasn't a Ghost), there were hundreds of witnesses that saw Him alive after He rose from the grave. Bodily ascended into heaven. In all those 600 years, it was never disputed until Mohammed came on the scene. What was Mohammed proof that the Sonship of Jesus Christ was false - He said "Gabriel" revealed it to him from Allah.

You cannot prove that the Bible came before Islam. All of the Prophets PBUT, were in total submission to Allaah (SWT). Hence, they all were Muslims, and they all submitted to Allaah (SWT), in Islam, never mind what name was used for it, in what ever language. Your argument probably should be with language. One Creator Only, made the entire creation. HE, Is The Self-Sufficient, The High Exalted, The Self-Subsisting in whom all subsist. What other god do you know of, that can create anything without the help of Allaah (SWT)? There is none. Because Allaah, Blessed Is HE, Forevermore, Alone, Is God.

So, the implication here is that Allah denied the FACTUAL & HISTORICAL event that happened 600 years ago. Yet Muslims want people to believe that the God of the Bible and Allah are the same.

You may give The Only God, a name that makes you glad. Some insist that HE (SWT), Is Nameless. In Islam, Allaah (SWT), Whom Is without gender, is referred to as HE, due to the fact of Adam PBUH, being the first man in creation.

The Holy Trinity is a simple concept. If you can understand how an atom is made, you should have problem understanding the Holy Trinity. An Atom is a simple matter consisting of protons, neutrons and electrons. If you can understand that - understanding the Holy Trinity shouldn't be rocket science. I will leave it here for now

The trinity is confusion. I understand the concept of molecular structure. What you fail to come to terms with, is the fact that Allaah (SWT), Is uncreated. And, the fact that HE, All Praise Is Due HIM, had no beginning, (HE (SWT), always, Is, The Only Reality (God)), and has no end ( and cannot cease to be Allaah (SWT) ). Everything else in creation, had a beginning, and will be given an end.

Judges 16:1 is a recorded text in the Bible about Samson visiting a prostitute. It talked about the life of Samson, his ups and downs. How is that related to God?

How are any of the verses I've posted related to God? What purpose do they serve regarding a persons salvation? Do you care about who Samson visited? Why was it even mentioned?

Let me ask you a simple question - what is the difference between Jesus and Mohammed or any other prophet?

What of their similarities? They all submitted to Allaah (SWT), in Islam. You may not recognize what remains of the past religions due to alterations that have taken place in them. Hence, the appearence of Prophet Muhammad Mustafa, with the right Way of life, Qur'an's revelation, to put things into righteous order.

Alot of things are denied in Islam. And a lot of things are not true in the Quran as well. For example, in the Quran, it said Jesus spoke as a baby. Clearly, that is an error. Jesus never spoke as a baby. The Quran said Mary the mother of Jesus was the daughter of Imran (Amram, father of Moses). Mary and Moses were in separate generations. How could that be?

I would think that you, not knowing what your Creator knows, should accept HIS (SWT), truthful Word. Allaah (SWT), does not err! Qur'an 5:110, 19:34. Imran is not found in the Bible. Amram can be found in Exodus 6:20, Numbers 26:59, 1Chronicles 1:41. The metaphoric use of 'sister of Aaron' in Qur'an 19:28, need not be taken literally, it is figurative language, I would think. If memory serves me correctly and traditions are accurate, Mary's mother was named Hanna (not Jochebed).

The above can only be correct if you tell me and prove to me (factual evidence) when Islam started as a religion.

I look forward to hearing from you mate

Well, were back to finding the correct word, in whatever language, and which past, correct religion. Then I can tell you truthfully, to follow the Prophets PBUT, of God, as they all will lead you to the religion that Allaah (SWT), The One God, has chosen for you.

This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.

Qur'an 5:3



Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.




Most of your questions are answered in the appropriate book, as posted above. However, I will attempt some brief answers below.

Interesting. I will like to hear more:

1. It's funny that the Trinity is impossible because the Quran mentioned it. Would you be open to us discussing it so you can explain further I will appreciate your feedback - alexis

Paul may have been a mystic of some kind. As I understand it he formulated the trinity doctrine, and others (see Islam In The Bible page 59). It isn't funny either because it is blasphemy. I find it amazing that people try to explain it. It makes no sense to me, as there is no purpose for it.


005.073 لَقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ ثَالِثُ ثَلاثَةٍ وَمَا مِنْ إِلَهٍ إِلا إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ وَإِنْ لَمْ يَنْتَهُوا عَمَّا يَقُولُونَ لَيَمَسَّنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِنْهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ
005.073 They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. Al-Qur'an, 005.073 (Al-Maeda [The Table, The Table Spread]) (see also 4:171).

2. Can you show me some of the things that were placed in the OT and by whom? Which part of the OT, Torah, the Psalms?

Judges 16:1; Ruth 3:4; 1Kings 1-4; Genesis 19:30-38; 35:22; 2 Samuel 16:22; 13:11-14; Ezekiel 16:25- ; 23:2-; many others.

3. Also, I will like to see how Jesus wants us all to be muslims I will appreciate your feedback

The author draws our attention to Luke 6: 40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
The Prophets PBUT, were in total submission to Allaah (SWT). When we accept all of the Prophets PBUT of God, and make no difference between them, we are considered as Muslims. Al-Qur'an 10:72. al muslimeen الْمُسْلِمِينَ - One who submits. In Aramaic - Shlam - surrender - become a moslem.

The crucifixion is denied in Islam.

what the author is relating is that Christ Isa [Jesus, PBUH] taught obedience to the Will of Allaah (SWT). He PBUH taught submission or, surrender of the self to Allaah (SWT). Which is being stated as His PBUH, peace - shlama - my way of - obtaining true peace, by totally surrendering soulfully, to Allaah (SWT); "not as the world gives it to you, but as I give it to you." John 14:27 is being related to Al-Qur'an 5:3. Prophet Isa [Jesus, PBUH] is directly telling His PBUH people that in order to be like Him PBUH, you have to be "Mushlam" like He PBUH, was. "Mushlam" is of the same root as Muslim, Islam, Salaam, Shalom, etc.. Mashioome = to convert; to change or turn from one belief or creed to another. To accept or be converted to Moslemism. Mishalmana = Perfect; complete. Mishlam = Completion; End. Mishlama = Moslem; a Mussulman; an Orthodox Mohammedan. You can figure it out for yourselves. Jesus PBUH, prayed as Muslims pray; bowing and prostrating. Christians should follow their teacher.

010.072 فَإِنْ تَوَلَّيْتُمْ فَمَا سَأَلْتُكُمْ مِنْ أَجْرٍ إِنْ أَجْرِيَ إِلا عَلَى اللَّهِ وَأُمِرْتُ أَنْ أَكُونَ مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ
010.072 "But if ye turn back, (consider): no reward have I asked of you: my reward is only due from Allah, and I have been commanded to be of those who submit to Allah's will (in Islam)." Al-Qur'an, 010.072 (Yunus [Jonah])



Wa salaam. DevotedOne

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVSkwVQ1730 Sheikh Imran Hosein The Sufi, The Salafi & Akhirruzaman





Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu alaykum. Ya Nabi; Sallallahu 'alaihi wa salam -- May the Blessings and Peace of Allah be upon Him [and his Ahlul-Bayt].



The Office of the Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khamenei





Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.


Salaam alexis.

Based on your thread, what did you find out. What was your conclusion?

Well, briefly, I found out many things. From the first post, I discovered that some stories in the Old Testament were not befitting of The Exalted, Righteous, and Wise God. They were placed in the Bible to fool the reader into believing that low (gutter) level thinking is good.

The second post 'Being Like The Teacher' basically teaches that Prophet Isa [Jesus, PBUH] wants those that follow Him PBUH, and want to be like Him PBUH, should become Muslims and embrace Islam.

The third post 'Islam In The Bible' shows the beliefs of Christians; Trinity, Jesus as God, and the Only God Allaah (SWT).
The trinity is an impossibility! Allaah (SWT) is not divisible by thirds, and furthermore, of what purpose is three gods?
Jesus PBUH, cannot be God, as God cannot be seen in this world, and Jesus PBUH, was seen by those He PBUH, spoke to. Numbers 23:19 states God Is Not A Man...

And, of course there is NONE like Allaah (SWT).

Isaiah 5. I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6. That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.



Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.

alexis:

Oga DevotedOne, weting you dey talk?

Salaam alexis. Please elaborate!




Wassalaam. DevotedOne

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Ever Merciful, The Eternal, The Righteous, The Owner Of Sovereignty, The Lord Of Majesty And Bounty, The Self-Sufficient, The Supreme, The Self-Subsisting In Whom All Subsist. The Peace Be Upon You, Everyone


Americans find Ayatollah Khamenei more honest: Analyst - + video


A political analyst tells Press TV Americans are becoming more aware that Leader of the Islamic Revolution Seyyed Ali Khamenei is more trustworthy than their own leaders.


“I think that more and more Americans are actually going to be coming around to accepting that what the Supreme Leader of Iran is saying is a lot more honest and truthful and realistic than what they are hearing from their own leaders here in the US,” Dr. Kevin Barrett said in a Press TV interview.

The analyst, who is with the Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance, made the remarks in reaction to Ayatollah Khamenei’s condemnation of the death of innocent people in a twin bomb blast in Boston.

“Following Islamic logic, the Islamic Republic of Iran opposes any blast or the killing of innocents be it in Boston in the US or Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria and condemns it,” Ayatollah Khamenei said on Wednesday.

“The US is waging terrorist warfare against people all over the world and then when something like this happens in Boston, the media generates a huge outcry, whipping people up into a kind of a xenophobic frenzy blaming it on some others,” Barrett added.


The analyst however, noted that Americans are now more understanding of their government’s hypocrisy, as polls show that “one-third of Americans” do not support “US wars of aggression”.

On Monday, the twin bombings in Boston near the finish line of the city’s annual cross-country marathon race killed three people and injured over 130 others.

PG/HGH/SL

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.


I recently began reading the book 'Islam In The Bible' and although I cannot come to terms with some of the descriptions regarding Islam or Christianity, I respect the author for his honesty. It's a challenging read.

http://www.al-islam.org/islaminthebible/index.htm Islam In The Bible by Thomas McElwain




Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.

What of marriage to unbelieving womem. This Surah has interesting footnotes as well. Try to find your way around them!

http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=60 60:10. Do not hold on to your marriages with unbelieving women:
Sorry, I gave the wrong verse above.


Wassalaam. DevotedOne

In The Name of The One and Only God, The Eternal, The Righteous, The Owner Of Sovereignty, The Lord Of Majesty And Bounty, The Self-Sufficient, The Supreme, The Self-Subsisting In Whom All Subsist. The Peace Be Upon You, Everyone.


My advice is that you be very careful. Rumi can shock!.

Discourses by Rumi


Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.



I pray, that Christians will learn from this discourse. It may be best to download this pdf, as some (Aramaic) fonts seem not to display well online; or, so it has appeared to me.

Being Like The Teacher by Ramazan M. Zuberi



Wa salaam. DevotedOne

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Ever Merciful, The Eternal, The Righteous, The Owner Of Sovereignty, The Lord Of Majesty And Bounty, The Self-Sufficient, The Supreme, The Self-Subsisting In Whom All Subsist. The Peace Be Upon You, Everyone



http://www.khamenei.de/index.html A non-official site of Imam Khamene'i




Wassalaam. DevotedOne

In The Name of The One and Only God, The Eternal, The Righteous, The Owner Of Sovereignty, The Lord Of Majesty And Bounty, The Self-Sufficient, The Supreme, The Self-Subsisting In Whom All Subsist. The Peace Be Upon You, Everyone.

I know nothing of pdf copies by Rumi. There are other videos using Rumi's poem's but the beast has corrupted them into something sensual. I would not want anyone to view them, as they have no Spiritual value. Wa salaam. DevotedOne

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.



Salaam,tbaba1234, I would say,'let the world take a couple of whirls, and find your way back.' Makes no sense to quit when you have helped others to progress.



Wassalaam. DevotedOne.

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QfsVz_jMMc Al Jazeera Investigates - The Hidden Genocide




Wassalaam. DevotedOne

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Ever Merciful.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I60ZHdx5Og&feature=fvwp Sufi Music I Rumi Poetry - HU - The Zikr by Anandmurti Gurumaa (New) | Sufi Zikr Medit




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hhJnFkxmR4 Life and Death. Rumi




Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu alaykum. Ya Nabi; Sallallahu 'alaihi wa salam -- May the Blessings and Peace of Allah be upon Him.


Bangladesh Hefajat-e Islam Long March came in Dhaka & rally begins at Motijheel- video


Hard-Line Muslim Rally Demands Anti-Blasphemy Laws in Bangladesh


DHAKA, Bangladesh — Hundreds of thousands of members of a hard-line Muslim group rallied here in Bangladesh’s capital on Saturday to demand that the authorities enact anti-blasphemy laws to punish people who insult Islam.

Separately, members of the group, Hifazat-e-Islam, clashed with the police and pro-government activists in a district outside of the capital, leaving a ruling party supporter dead.

The giant rally in Dhaka took place amid heightened security in the capital and elsewhere in the country after Hifazat-e-Islam members singled out bloggers who they said were atheists.

The bloggers, who deny they are atheists, are seeking capital punishment for those found guilty of war crimes during the nation’s 1971 war of independence against Pakistan. They also want a ban on Jamaat-e-Islami, the country’s largest Islamic party, for campaigning against Bangladesh’s independence more than four decades ago. The party is an important partner of the main opposition
Bangladesh Nationalist Party, which is led by former Prime Minister Khaleda Zia.

Top Jamaat-e-Islami leaders are accused of crimes against humanity during the 1971 war, and two senior party leaders were convicted this year by a special tribunal. Bangladesh says as many as three million people were killed and 200,000 women were raped by Pakistani troops and collaborators during the war.

While Hifazat-e-Islam said its rally was nonpolitical and not aligned with the opposition, Ms. Zia’s party backed the demonstration. The group listed 13 demands, including reinstating “absolute trust and faith in the Almighty Allah” in the nation’s Constitution, which is largely secular, and passing a law providing for capital punishment for maligning Allah, Islam and its Prophet Muhammad.

The group’s other demands includes banning “all foreign culture, including free mixing of men and women.”

Saturday’s rally came amid months of violence stemming from a bitter political rivalry between Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina’s government and the opposition led by Ms. Zia. Ms. Hasina initiated the war crimes trials in 2010. Ten of the defendants convicted or on trial are from Jamaat-e-Islami, while two others belong to Ms. Zia’s party.

In February, the tribunal sentenced a senior Jamaat-e-Islami party leader to death, but the decision incited violent clashes between opposition activists and the police that left more than 70 people dead.


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Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.




Salaam, MajorJ. Obviously your point is open to argument. See the following:

Although the Egyptian Constitution, under Article 46, provides for freedom of belief and the practice of religious rites, Shia Muslims are a minority group that is not allowed to practice their faith in public or in private Islamic centers. Salafi's and government backed clerics speared hate messages among the public to the point where most Egyptians think Shia are not even Muslim even though they believe in the same God, Quran, practice Hadj, daily prayers and Ramadhan fasting.

Shia Muslims Under Severe Condition & Oppression in Egypt: Now More than Before


(Ahlul Bayt News Agency) - Egypt, a home country of many scholars and place birth of civilizations is threatening its brilliant history by targeting Egyptian Shia.

Home to the Fatimid Empire, one of the most important imperials that was established and lead by Shia Muslim leaders, is publicly fighting the Shia faith. Change of government in Egypt was meant to bring much needed democracy and freedom to the country. Shia Muslims, as any other Egyptian, hoped the new government would keep its promises for freedom and democracy. It would become a place where Shia could peacefully practice their faith. However, now, more than before Shia Muslims are being arrested, suppressed, and advertised as Non-Muslim.

Although the Egyptian Constitution, under Article 46, provides for freedom of belief and the practice of religious rites, Shia Muslims are a minority group that is not allowed to practice their faith in public or in private Islamic centers. Salafi's and government backed clerics speared hate messages among the public to the point where most Egyptians think Shia are not even Muslim even though they believe in the same God, Quran, practice Hadj, daily prayers and Ramadhan fasting. Every day, more and more pictures, webinars and ads are posted on the internet in display of the anti-Shi’ism is growth in Egypt.

Sheikh Muhmmad Hassa, a well-known Salafi cleric, states in his TV interview that Hussainyas, or Shia Islamic Centers are not welcome in Egypt. He insists Egypt should be cleansed from Shia. Salafi clerics clearly and openly forbid Shia practices in this country.

As the result of anti- Shia movements in Egypt, many Shia- Muslims were arrested and detained for practicing their faith. Muhammad Asfour and Seyed Muhammd are among those arrested in an Ashura commemorations last year. The judge told Muhammad Asfour he had two options: to go to jail or to change his faith. In another incident, a Shia man was arrested for teaching Shia faith. His wife was divorced by court and forced to marry another man. The Egyptian government is violating many human rights articles by forcing Shia to change faith, interfering with Shia private lives, arresting and detaining them and also spreading hate messages in media and public.

Ahl ul Bayt World Assembly, Shia rights Watch and other pro-human rights organisations are concerned about Shia rights violations in Egypt, especially since the beginning of the Mursi government. They insist Shia Muslims, just like any other citizen, are entitled freedom of religion and thought. No government, religion or organization can take away any other groups’ rights. Human rights have been reported poor in Egypt and Shia rights violations are adding to the problem. SRW believes the Egyptian government must protect and defend Shia Muslims’ rights. The foundation of the new government should not be based on discrimination and hate, but on freedom and respect.


To understand better about Shia Muslims please see the following links:

http://abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&id=407700 A Shi'i-Sunni dialogue

http://abna.co/a/uploads/300/9/300978.pdf Shi'i belifes in the Bible

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Also see: An Al-Azhar student faces investigation for being Shi’a


Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.



A COMPARISON BETWEEN ISLAM, CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM AND THE CHOICE BETWEEN THEM.pdf - 1 MB




Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu alaykum. Ya Nabi; Sallallahu 'alaihi wa salam -- May the Blessings and Peace of Allah be upon Him [and his Ahlul-Bayt].



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pw74DwUUSA4 Iran's Leader: 'The Enemies have Failed to Isolate the Islamic Republic' - (English subtitles).




Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.




Mike GhouseSpeaker, thinker, writer, pluralist, activist


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Will Shiite and Sunni Islam Ever Reconcile?
Posted: 03/24/2013 1:50 pm


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-ghouse/will-shiite-and-sunni-islam-ever-reconcile_b_2898461.html


Facts don't matter. It did not matter to the leadership of President Bush and his obedient followers. They chose to believe what they had decided to believe about WMD, despite the information to the contrary.

Muslims leadership is no different, each one of the sect is entrenched with certain beliefs, and facts don't matter to them either. Indeed, accepting facts will make the earth beneath them disappear. If Sunnis accept Shiite version as a fact and/or Shiites see the Sunni version as the truth, their whole theology collapses, each one will cease to exist, and for that reason, no one will subscribe to each others' "facts."

The chasm between the two groups was born out of Prophet's last sermon.

Sunni Muslims believe that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had said that he was leaving the book (Quran) behind him for his followers to learn, understand and practice the religion. Each one is individually accountable for his or her actions, while the Shiite Muslims believe that Prophet had also said he was leaving behind his progeny to offer guidance.

Both the versions are authentic to the believers, and this is the problem. If the Shiite version is accepted by the Sunnis, then they would have to accept that the spiritual leadership is passed on through Prophet's family and accept the Shiite imams as their spiritual guides. On the other hand, if Shiites were to accept the Sunni version, then they will find themselves rudderless; there is no formal spiritual leader in Sunni Islam. Although the Caliphs ran the communities through 1924, they were not necessarily the spiritual guides; there were civic and political leaders.

Even if we were to recover the real voice and speech of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), neither group will believe in it; it amounts to wiping out their current beliefs, and it isn't going to happen.

It is best to follow the guidance from Quran and let you believe what works for you and I believe what works for me, as long as we do not mess with each other's space, sustenance and nurturance. Both will go to Janna (paradise) if we care about God's creation.

As the saying goes, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I would add that faith is in the heart of the believer. Shiite beliefs have worked for Shiites, just as Sunni, Wahhabi, Ahmadiyya, Bohra, Ismaili, Salafi, Sufis, Deen Muhammad, Barelavi, Deobandi and other beliefs have worked for each one of them for centuries. Do we see the need for a change?

Religion is not a football game where the touchdown will be decided if the guy's foot or any part of his foot was inside the line while catching the ball in the end zone. Religion is not that precise. A sinful woman can give water to a thirsty animal and earn God's grace, and a drunk who has never prayed can share food with his neighbor and get preference over the Namazi (someone who prays all times). Islam is a big universal religion, and is not defined by petty lines. All will go to paradise, God assures in Quran that whether you are a Jew, Christian or other, you need not worry, he will recompense for the good you do. The bottom line is, if you take care of fellow beings, animals and environment -- indeed serving and preserving God's creation means serving God.

We have conflicts among us, not real ones, but the ones that do not affect our space, sustenance and nurturance. God has intentionally created us to be different, he created us from a single couple into many tribes, communities and nations, and he expects us to be different, but he also expects us to know each other, and figure out how to preserve his creation and not mess with it. The best among you, he says is the one who is righteous, the one who cares about God's creation with no exclusions.

We need to learn about our differences, that are human curiosity, however we need to do our Jihad, our inner struggle in fighting the temptation to denigrate the other in any fashion. Here again God loves us, and guides us how to dialogue without ever putting each other down.

The Sunnis include all of Prophet's wives as his family, whereas the Shiites limit it to the Prophet's daughter, Hazrat Fatima, and her husband, Hazrat Ali, and their descendents. A side note, there are Sunnis who claim to be direct descendents of the Prophet, as if to claim special privileges. Islam is about equality and humility and not privileges. No one in Islam is special unless it is for his actions, piety and deeds. The Prophet even told Fatima that there is no free ticket to her to paradise, just because she is the daughter of the Prophet, so what makes any one think that he or she has privileges? Prophet wiped the vainglorious privileges completely, as it is arrogant to claim such status, and God does not like it because arrogance messes with his peaceful creation, where as humility builds bridges to create peaceful societies.

Prophet appointed Hazrat Bilal, a freed African Slave at that time, to the highest position of calling Muslims to prayers. It was meant to shut the arrogant ones that he was a slave. He explained the beauty of a cohesive society for the pompous ones to let go of their snobbishness and stand in the same line in the prayers no matter who was standing next to them. He liberated women (considered chattel, men's personal property even in the United States a century or two ago) and announced women are free individuals like men, who were free to marry, divorce, own the property and business. Of course, men are men, no matter what race, religion or nationality they belong to, most of them get it right, a few don't.

Prophet continued with his mission and said all will do the fasting to imbue a sense of humility. And remember he made Zakat (tithe) proportionate so all can contribute to the common good funds. Did he make the Hajj (Pilgrimage once a life time) a requirement for all? Heavens no, and this is the only thing that is not required, because of the affordability factor. Islam is never against making money and getting rich as long as you are fair and just to the resources that make you rich.

As a Sunni, I implore fellow Muslims to learn to respect each other's traditions and beliefs. There is no point in proving each other wrong. I urge Shiite, Sunni and Ahmadiyya Muslims to accept the otherness of the other without the temptation to correct the other. Just follow the guidance of Allah and the Prophet -- be good to fellow beings.

I suggest for each one of you, on your own to start going to each other's place of worship and see the devotion each group has in the way they pray. I would not ask anyone to do this, if I did not do it myself. I am blessed to have been in every mosque including the Kaaba, Masjid Nabwi, Masjid Aqsa and Bait-al-Muqaddas. I have prayed and iftaared regularly in Bohra, WD Muhammad, Ahmadiyya, Shia, Sunni, Sufi and just about every traditions with the exception of Ismailis. Insha Allah, God may fulfill me with that wish and the wish to pray in Shiite's holy mosque of Imam Ali.

Knocking prejudice out toward fellow Muslims is peaceful. Try it. You may cherish it. Alhamdu Lillah, I walk my talk.

Insha Allah, we will do more intra-faith dialogue and learn to respect each other for what we believe, and not get hell bent on proving and denying each other's faith. I will do my personal share of work in bringing unity for common goodness. All it takes is more of us to take the stand and hold such meetings and learn about each other for creating a better world (Quran 49:13).

Reference: http://www.worldmuslimcongress..com/2013/03/sunni-muslims-at-shia-and-ahmadiyya.html




049.013 يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ مِنْ ذَكَرٍ وَأُنْثَى وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
049.013 O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). Al-Qur'an, 049.013 (Al-Hujraat [The Private Apartments, The Inner Apartments])



Wassalaam. DevotedOne

chuks315, thanks for your reply. I doubt if I'll be using Trisquel for a while yet. I've used Ubuntu for a few years until recently when it accidentally failed. I have Ubuntu 12- and Suse 12- but I'm waiting for a more favorable environment before re-installation of either OS. I didn't have much success with 'Wine' but dual booted with Win XP instead.

I appreciate all of the information that you have passed along to me, as it will come in handy in the near future. Thanks, again.

muyiscoi: @DevotedOne I haven't tried Trisquel GNU/Linux before but from what I read from the link you attached, it is one of those purist OSes, hence the "GNU/Linux" designation, n not just "Linux". What this means is that it would be devoid of any proprietary software, even stuff like device drivers that the computer requires to run. Most other linux distributions don't ship with proprietary software too, but they provide an easy way to download them yourself. However, with Trisquel, you will not only not find those proprietary software/drivers in the default install, but there wouldn't be an easy way to install them too. Infact, depending on if they are using Ubuntu's repos or not, they might not even be available with apt-get, requiring you to hunt down .debs or compile them yourself.

Thanks muyiscoi, I appreciate your response. I checked their forum too, and found that some problems have cropped up already. Maybe they need more time to develop. I won't be trying Trisquel just now. I'll let them work the bugs out frist. Again, much thanks. DevotedOne

http://trisquel.info/en/forum/users

I would like to know if anyone has any information about this OS: For a fully free desktop OS, try Trisquel GNU/Linux 6.0 Has anyone tried this OS? Any comments regarding it? Thanks.

http://trisquel.info/en/forum/users

O Allah! Send your blessings/greetings (Salawat) on Muhammad and his family, the same way as You sent Your blessings/greetings on Abraham's family. You are indeed worthy of all praise, full of glory.



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Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Not trying to interrupt anything here but I would like to know if anyone has any information about this OS: For a fully free desktop OS, try Trisquel GNU/Linux 6.0 Has anyone tried this OS? Any comments regarding it? Thanks.